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    One thing that still stands out is coinage.

    It's issued by the Treasury. Of course, the Constitution defines money based around the Silver Dollar and...there is no use of it. If enough people were to hoard say, a bunch of quarters...and woke up one day and said, ok, a loaf of bread is fifty cents---and refused to convert FRNs...maybe its feet would unfold underneath it and it would continue standing in place.

    Paper money was once Treasury backed as well but changed in appearance when privatized. Once I saw a collector's piece of paper money from around 1921 when the space for "Treasury" had been occupied by something else, beside which, someone had written with a pen in what looked like the script of the time: "Bolshevik". So on one line, the titles for both branches of Communist takeover.

    The American Treasury money is still available, it's just--coinage.

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    One thing that still stands out is coinage.

    [1] It's issued by the Treasury.
    [2] Of course, the Constitution defines money based around the Silver Dollar and...there is no use of it. If enough people were to hoard say, a bunch of [3] quarters...and woke up one day and said, ok, a loaf of bread is fifty cents---and refused to convert FRNs...maybe its feet would unfold underneath it and it would continue standing in place.

    [4] Paper money was once Treasury backed as well but changed in appearance when privatized. Once I saw a collector's piece of paper money from around 1921 when the space for "Treasury" had been occupied by something else, beside which, someone had written with a pen in what looked like the script of the time: "Bolshevik". So on one line, the titles for both branches of Communist takeover.

    [5]The American Treasury money is still available, it's just--coinage.
    [1] Coins come from the MINT. Treasury is where they're stored.
    [2] Silver and gold coin.
    [3] Fractional coin is not legal tender for sums over $20 [niggle flag off] - and counterfeits were authorized in the Coinage Act of 1965.
    [4] Notes are debt. They are never "backed." You may be thinking of certificates (receipts), which do correspond to real coin in the vault.
    [5] No lawful money (gold or silver coin) has circulated since 1933.


    The confusion over money tokens is quite common. This is due, in part, to the pervasive propaganda that equates a debt-credit security to a real money token.

    In reality, an I.O.U. for "one car" does not equal "one car" - especially when the issuer of the I.O.U. says he won't redeem it.
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    Are they not supplied by the Mint as an order from the Treasury? And not by the issuance of bonds?

    There were silver coins issued until 1964, and remain in circulation. I suppose you could call a zinc-copper coin a counterfeit. Same Silver Dollars and Gold Eagles are still issued, I don't know if anything would stop me from spending a $10 Eagle as ten dollars, although I certainly can't redeem a $10 FRN for one, or 40 quarters either.

    FRNs are tender for debts, on which basis they could be refused for a spontaneous purchase. Coinage--debased and fractional it may be--at least is not the property of the Fed, nor a source of revenue for them; unless I missed something else.

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    Are they not supplied by the Mint as an order from the Treasury? And not by the issuance of bonds?
    Originally part of the State Department, the Mint was made an independent agency in 1799. It converted precious metals into standard coin for anyone's account with no seigniorage charge beyond the refining costs. Under the Coinage Act of 1873 (aka "Crime of '73"), the Mint became part of the Department of the Treasury.

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    There were silver coins issued until 1964, and remain in circulation. I suppose you could call a zinc-copper coin a counterfeit. Same Silver Dollars and Gold Eagles are still issued, I don't know if anything would stop me from spending a $10 Eagle as ten dollars, although I certainly can't redeem a $10 FRN for one, or 40 quarters either.
    There were fractional (sub $1) silver coin, but silver dollars were demonetized by the Coinage Act of 1873.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinage_Act_of_1873

    In 1933, FDR confiscated all privately owned lawful money (gold coin) and criminalized the possession of it by "free" Americans.
    Since silver was demonetized, it basically ended access to lawful money by "free" Americans.

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    FRNs are tender for debts, on which basis they could be refused for a spontaneous purchase. Coinage--debased and fractional it may be--at least is not the property of the Fed, nor a source of revenue for them; unless I missed something else.
    TENDER - An offer of money ... Legal tender is that kind of coin, money, or circulating medium which the law compels a creditor to accept in payment of his debt, when tendered by the debtor in the right amount.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p. 1467
    [Note: FRNs are legal tender on the obligated party of those notes - the Federal government. . . AND the 320 million enumerated socialists.]

    "Federal reserve notes are legal tender in absence of objection thereto."
    MacLeod v. Hoover (1925) 159 La 244, 105 So. 305
    All duly enumerated American socialists cannot object to the tender of the notes that THEY are obligated parties to ("contributors").
    (thanks to FICA)

    An excerpt from another post somewhere:
    FYI : The "dollar bill" is NOT FIAT.
    Fiat is paper currency that has value because the government says so.

    BUT
    The "dollar bill" has no value, saith the government. (Gold Reserve Act of 1934)
    NOT fiat.

    Then WHAT is it?
    It's a note (debt).

    Notes are never "backed." Notes are promises to pay IN THE FUTURE. If the money was in the vault, they'd be CERTIFICATES (receipts).

    Congress repudiated their promise to redeem their notes, in 1933.

    How do they have "legal tender" value?

    [Here it comes]

    Uncle Sammy put his arms around Mr and Mrs America and said, "If you folks would be so kind as to pledge all your labor and property as collateral on these notes, I'd be so grateful that I'd give you a "benefit" !"

    Mr and Mrs America thought, "Hmmm, what kind of benefit?"
    Uncle Sammy said, "Entitlements! Free money!"
    Mr and Mrs America said, "Alright, where do we sign?"

    Thus the sheeple signed up to be chattel pledged as collateral on all that bad debt issued by the bankrupted Congress, since 1933.

    [head smack]

    In other words, if the currency was fiat, a collapse of government would only mean the money was worthless. But under FICA, a financial collapse of the government means the creditor can attach YOU and YOURS.

    Can you say "chattel slavery"?

    By your consent.

    Addendum
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    http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...al-tender.aspx
    ". . .Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves. . ."
    Art. 1, Sec. 10, USCON :
    No State shall .... coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any ... Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
    Since 1933, and the "Emergency" no one has been paying their debts, pursuant to law.
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    My two-bits:

    Lawful money is still defined by the Coinage Act of 1792 as a dollar of silver.
    No one can PAY with Fed Reserve Notes.
    We haven't PAID for anything since 1965 when silver coins were removed
    from circulation.

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    P.S. I've been loving this discussion. Thank you all for your generous sharing. I wish I had more time to write/join in.

    P.P.S. ozmirage: I'd be interested in reading more about why you think that Anna von Reitz is spouting more patriot crap.

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    I understand that the decrees of 1933 removed most of the privately-held precious metals, so someone could sit on them for a while at $20/oz. and then re-valuate it a little further along to boost their I. M. F. reserves.

    Most of the emergency powers (1933 and others) have been repealed or sharply curtailed since then so--what are the permanent effects? An ongoing, unrenounced "state of emergency", with no particular powers to back it up? Or just the fact that FRNs are no longer convertible to anything of value...thus debts can't be discharged by paying lawful money.

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    Quote Posted by genevieve (here)
    P.P.S. ozmirage: I'd be interested in reading more about why you think that Anna von Reitz is spouting more patriot crap.
    Based on this site:
    http://www.americanlawoftheland.com/...i-a-real-judge
    Quote The Continental United States — the actual geographically defined states with physical borders, etc.,– were given jurisdiction over the land, and their Citizens known as American State Citizens are the ones protected by The Constitution for the united States of America and vested with all powers of the civil government on the land.

    The Federal United States was created (and limited) by The Constitution for the united States of America and given jurisdiction over the international jurisdiction of the sea.
    No American government has "jurisdiction over the land" that is absolutely owned as private property.

    No "American State Citizen" is superior to any citizen. Only the sovereign people are superior to the government. (See: Chisholm v. Georgia)

    The guarantee of the republican form is to the PEOPLE not to the citizens of the united States of America.

    One can conclude that she has zErO understanding of the republican form of government.

    I cannot discern if she is incompetent or merely a disinformation agent.

    Restating the cogent facts:
    • Americans are born equal before the law - none are higher. One can only DESCEND in status.
    • Americans have ENDOWED rights (natural rights, natural liberty, personal liberty, absolute ownership, etc, etc) that government was instituted to secure.
    • Americans who consent to be governed, WAIVE endowed rights because they are obligated to perform mandatory civic duties.

    If one has given consent to be governed, SHUT UP, sit down, and obey.

    Any other option does not exist.

    The mythologists cannot accept that their own CONSENT has brought them misery. They concoct convoluted explanations and remedies that have no basis in the law.

    I learned I was a slave, in 1992. I was mad at government. Later, after reading law, I realized I had consented, then I was mad at myself.

    Incensed by the corrupt, socialist democratic form of government?
    Don't protest, riot, or play partisan politics.
    Until consent is withdrawn, no remedy exists.
    After consent is withdrawn, no remedy is necessary.
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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    I understand that the decrees of 1933 removed most of the privately-held precious metals, so someone could sit on them for a while at $20/oz. and then re-valuate it a little further along to boost their I. M. F. reserves.

    Most of the emergency powers (1933 and others) have been repealed or sharply curtailed since then so--what are the permanent effects? An ongoing, unrenounced "state of emergency", with no particular powers to back it up? Or just the fact that FRNs are no longer convertible to anything of value...thus debts can't be discharged by paying lawful money.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_o...#United_States
    As of October 2014, thirty states of emergency remain in effect, one reaching as far back as the Roosevelt Administration.

    United States, Senate Report 93-549 states: "That since March 09, 1933 the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency." Proclamation No. 2039 declared by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on March 9, 1933. This declared national emergency has never been revoked and has been codified into the US Code (12 U.S.C. 95a and b).
    Sounds harmless, right?

    Title 12 USC sec. 95(a), 95(b) grants pre-approved powers to the president and the secretary of treasury during this “emergency.” BTW - the secretary of treasury is also the U.S. governor of the World Bank, IMF, etc, etc, and shall not be paid by the U.S. government. Title 22 USC Sec. 286a(d)1. He is paid by the fiduciary agent - the Federal Reserve corporation. Connect the dots?

    This is why the president can issue "Executive Orders" that do not need Congressional approval nor are empowered by any particular legislation.

    http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/12/2/IV/95a
    12 U.S.C. Sec. 95a.
    (A) investigate, regulate, or prohibit, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit or payments between, by, through, or to any banking institution, and the importing, exporting, hoarding, melting, or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion, currency or securities, ...
    {Translation : you “free” Americans cannot “hoard” gold or silver bullion.... due to the EMERGENCY (bankruptcy).}
    (3) As used in this subdivision the term “United States” means the United States and any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof ...
    {14th amendment wording! Cannot apply to “foreign” sovereignties like the States united or the free people.}

    {"The United States and the State of California are two separate sovereignties, each dominant in its own sphere."
    - - - Redding v. Los Angeles (1947), 81 C.A.2d 888, 185 P.2d 430.}
    12 U.S. Code § 95b. The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by section 95a of this title, are approved and confirmed.
    {Translation : the “SECRETARY OF TREASURY” -aka- U.S. Governor of the “Bank” and “Fund” - who is not paid by the US Gubmint - has been already approved to act or issue any orders, rules, etc., by the honorable U.S. Congress.}
    Whatever he does, cannot be objected to by Congress.
    [The other shoe drops]



    If you didn't quite notice it, your consent to the EMERGENCY is found in your assertion of :
    [] U.S. citizenship / residency - placing you in the jurisdiction of the foreign corporation (U.S. government)
    [] FICA (only available to U.S. citizens / U.S. residents)
    [] Bank signature card, whereupon you agree to abide by the rules of the bank, thus the Federal Reserve banking system, and thus the U.S. governor of the "Bank," the Secretary of Treasury.
    Pursuant to Title 12 USC sec. 95b, the Sec'y of Treasury now "owns" you and yours.
    BY YOUR CONSENT.

    They ADMIT IT!
    http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...al-tender.aspx
    "Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
    ...
    Did Congress ever mention that YOU were “human resources” pledged as a surety on their profligate spending?
    Were you informed that you and your property were surrendered to the bankrupt government, as collateral on the worthless IOUs issued by "your" government?
    And that you no longer had an "rights"?
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    I didn't want to dilute this in the firehose spray of verbiage in the previous post...

    Senate Report 93-549
    https://archive.org/stream/senate-re...3-549_djvu.txt
    War and Emergency Powers Acts
    "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."

    FREEDOMS ... GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION ... HAVE BEEN ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...


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    Hmmm. Perhaps Anna isn't as much a word monger as you seem to be.
    Her use of "citizen" seems sloppy, hopefully not meant to be deceptive.

    I'd be interested to know if/how you've withdrawn your consent.

    Thanks, ozmirage!


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    I was referring to National Emergencies Act, 1976: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

    as terminating prior emergencies and limiting a president's capability of acting ad hoc.

    True, we keep having emergencies since then. But it does seem to say that the 1933 emergency is over.

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    I was referring to National Emergencies Act, 1976: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

    as terminating prior emergencies and limiting a president's capability of acting ad hoc.

    True, we keep having emergencies since then. But it does seem to say that the 1933 emergency is over.
    No, it's not over. Read 12 USC Sec. 95a, b. They have not been repealed.
    From WIKI:
    Quote Certain emergency authorities were exempted from the act at the time of its passage:

    10 USC 2304(a) (1) (allowing exemption of national defense contracts from competitive bidding)
    10 USC 3313, 6386(c) and 8313 (regulating the promotion, retirement and separation of military officers)
    12 USC 95(a) (regulating transactions in foreign gold and silver)
    40 USC 278(b) (regulating federal property purchases and contracts)
    41 USC 15 and 203 (limiting the assignment of claims against the federal government)
    50 USC 1431-1435 (enabling the President to make national defense contracts outside of otherwise applicable rules)
    The U.S. government is technically under the control of a foreign financial power, whose fiduciary agent is the Federal Reserve Corporation. (P.S. the fiduciary of the UN is the FED)

    Art. 1, Sec. 10 plainly states that only gold and silver coin pay debt.
    Since 1933, few, if any Americans PAID DEBT.
    What do you call someone who does not pay debt?
    BANKRUPT.
    Guess who has authority to administer people in bankruptcy?

    Guess who also changed the term "bankrupt" to "debtor"?

    I strongly urge everyone to READ the law, so you can see for yourself that AMERICA has been "over" since 1933.

    That's why I suggest wearing knee pads and adult diapers when visiting the courthouse. You may fall to your knees, weeping, or pee yourself.
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    Hmmm. Perhaps Anna isn't as much a word monger as you seem to be.
    Her use of "citizen" seems sloppy, hopefully not meant to be deceptive.

    [A citizen, by definition, is a SUBJECT, obligated to perform mandatory civic duties, whether a STATE citizen or a U.S. citizen. American PEOPLE are sovereigns without subjects... unless they consent otherwise]

    I'd be interested to know if/how you've withdrawn your consent.
    After first inquiring, by mail, for the official process to cancel one's account and number with FICA, and receiving no response, I unilaterally declared, in 1993, that I do not participate in that abomination on religious grounds.

    When asked for "my number" I explain that I have no number nor account, and that's the end of it. They generally put down "no SSN" on their paperwork.

    Whether the SocSec admin keeps a record of it or not is not my problem. I do not consent, nor do I accept any benefits associated with participation in FICA.

    Anecdote: I was informed by a correspondent who had access to CREDIT scores that a certain agency does a yearly search on a number once associated with me to verify that there is no activity logged. Curious, eh?
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    HOW TO AVOID BEING FOOLED
    . . .
    When reading any American law ask yourself:
    ● Is this law securing the rights of an injured party?
    ● Is this law imposed upon only those who gave consent?
    ● Is this law internal to the administration of the government?
    . . .

    It is an axiom of American law that no private right (i.e. sacred right / inherent right) is subject to taxation, restriction, or infringement.
    Two exceptions :
    (a) by consent of the governed, or
    (b) in pursuit of justice on behalf of an injured party.
    The exemption extends to all facets of natural rights, natural liberty, personal liberty and absolute ownership of private property.

    Of course, if you waived / surrendered endowed rights, liberties, and absolute ownership, then you cannot expect government to honor and secure non-existent rights.
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    HIT OR MYTH?
    =\=\=\=\=
    Any reference to collective sovereignty, citizenship, governance, controlling the government, constitutional rights (privileges), voting, public office, administering the government, licenses, registration, privileges or immunities is a reference to participation in the indirect democratic form of government... by your consent.

    Any reference to socialism, collectivism, social compact, fair share, compulsory charity, expropriation of property for the benefit of another, entitlements, benefits, public charity, is tied to one’s consent, via participation in FICA / Socialist InSecurity.

    People in the republican form of government, have endowed rights and are (individually) sovereigns, not citizens. They do not participate in the indirect democratic form, nor are they bound by it. They are ineligible to participate in FICA, nor would they wish to. The servant government cannot impose taxes on (natural) rights, nor infringe (natural and personal) liberties, nor trespass upon private property rights. Absent consent, all that the government is authorized to do is secure rights (adjudicate disputes, prosecute deliberate injuries (felonies), and defend against enemies, foreign or domestic).

    Anything more is suspect.
    Anything less is unacceptable.

    People who have rights need no permission, because they belong here.
    People who need permission have no rights, because they’re trespassers.
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    Skeptics may wish to argue that "REALITY" matters more than "the LAW."...

    Any presumption to the contrary is an error not supported by law nor court ruling.
    why do i need support of law or court ruling to be soverign... ?

    if you use precedence by letters, intention, and americas original wording it seems you are still useing that which is not yours but someone elses...

    you were born there for you are...

    side note...wow good homework and documentation
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    Quote Posted by thunder24 (here)
    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
    Skeptics may wish to argue that "REALITY" matters more than "the LAW."...

    Any presumption to the contrary is an error not supported by law nor court ruling.
    why do i need support of law or court ruling to be soverign... ?

    if you use precedence by letters, intention, and americas original wording it seems you are still useing that which is not yours but someone elses...

    you were born there for you are...

    side note...wow good homework and documentation
    WHY?
    SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
    . . . Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
    Since America is the only nation with a republican form, if you're located in any other country, you are a subject - not a sovereign.

    You have no endowed rights, liberties, etc. You only have the "human rights" that the government recognizes and nothing more. You must pay and obey. . . or suffer the consequences.
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    Skeptics may wish to argue that "REALITY" matters more than "the LAW."...

    Any presumption to the contrary is an error not supported by law nor court ruling.
    why do i need support of law or court ruling to be soverign... ?

    if you use precedence by letters, intention, and americas original wording it seems you are still useing that which is not yours but someone elses...

    you were born there for you are...

    side note...wow good homework and documentation
    WHY?
    SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
    . . . Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
    Since America is the only nation with a republican form, if you're located in any other country, you are a subject - not a sovereign.

    You have no endowed rights, liberties, etc. You only have the "human rights" that the government recognizes and nothing more. You must pay and obey. . . or suffer the consequences.
    so ur saying if you know all of "their" wording, that you won't suffer the consequences?

    I have what ever i want.. and still suffere consequences... who says I will enjoy these endowed rights just because i can argue and/or word my communications in an accepted form to those that "give" me endowed rights... why are you saying , and by saying i mean quoteing, that i must be subject or citizen? or am i miss understanding that typed word?

    again this is all what someone else has put in place that is being argued..not what i say i am...and still if following whats on the books that has been presented, you or one is subject to someone elses words and understandings?!

    so since im soverign im subject to my self? i can live with that
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    so ur saying if you know all of "their" wording, that you won't suffer the consequences?

    NO

    I have what ever i want.. and still suffere consequences... who says I will enjoy these endowed rights just because i can argue and/or word my communications in an accepted form to those that "give" me endowed rights...

    Endowed rights are not given by government, but protected by government.


    why are you saying , and by saying i mean quoteing, that i must be subject or citizen? or am i miss understanding that typed word?

    In all other countries, one is a SUBJECT of the sovereign government.
    Only in American, can one be SOVEREIGN and served by government.



    again this is all what someone else has put in place that is being argued..not what i say i am...and still if following whats on the books that has been presented, you or one is subject to someone elses words and understandings?!

    so since im soverign im subject to my self? i can live with that
    Claiming to be sovereign and being sovereign are not synonymous.

    What is it like being a subject?
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116329/
    If you watched “Fly Away Home” about an adventure with Canadian geese, you would have seen evidence of it.

    At one point the Canadian Game Warden is speaking to a group of students, and he says, “These are the Queen’s geese.”

    No Canadian subject of Her Majesty is capable of absolute ownership - not even of the wild animals who are on their “private property.”

    Subjects cannot absolutely own.

    In contrast, Americans ARE sovereign (until they consent otherwise).
    They have endowed / sacred / inherent rights, independent of the government.
    And government has admitted that fact.
    “... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
    “... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
    - - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z
    American people are sovereigns.
    The government is not sovereign, but an agent for the sovereign people.
    UNLESS one has consented otherwise.
    (Re-read the definition of subject - one who owes allegiance to a sovereign. American sovereigns do not owe allegiance to the servant government. The government owes allegiance to the people.)
    " Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
    - - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.

    NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, privacy, and good reputation.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324

    PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels.
    - - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
    Among the endowed rights are life, liberty, absolute ownership of person, labor, house and lands. And these rights are not subject to a vote nor an election. Nor can they be taxed.
    "The individual, unlike the corporation, cannot be taxed for the mere privilege of existing. The corporation is an artificial entity which owes its existence and charter powers to the state; but, the individual's rights to live and own property are NATURAL RIGHTS for the enjoyment of which an excise [tax] cannot be imposed."
    Redfield vs Fisher, 292 P. 813, at 819.

    " The right to labor and to its protection from unlawful interference is a constitutional as well as a common-law right. Every man has a NATURAL RIGHT to the fruits of his own industry."
    48 Am Jur 2d, Section 2, p. 80

    " Any claim that this statute is a taxing statute would be immediately open to severe constitutional objections. If it could be said that the state had the POWER TO TAX A RIGHT, this would enable the state to DESTROY RIGHTS guaranteed by the constitutions through the use of oppressive taxation. The question herein, is one of the state taxing the right of travel by the ordinary modes of the day, and whether this is a legitimate object of state taxation. The views advanced herein are neither novel nor unsupported by authority. The question of the taxing power of the states has been repeatedly considered by the High Court. The right of the states to impede or embarrass the constitutional operations of the the U.S. Government or the Rights which the citizens hold under it, has been uniformly denied."
    McCulloch v. Maryland 4 Wheat 316.
    No natural right nor liberty is subject to taxation.
    Isn't that astounding?
    Americans are sovereign, free and independent, not subject to any excise for the exercise of endowed rights, liberties and absolute ownership.

    It is tragic that Americans were tricked into surrendering such a magnificent birthright.
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    so ur saying if you know all of "their" wording, that you won't suffer the consequences?

    NO

    I have what ever i want.. and still suffere consequences... who says I will enjoy these endowed rights just because i can argue and/or word my communications in an accepted form to those that "give" me endowed rights...

    Endowed rights are not given by government, but protected by government.


    why are you saying , and by saying i mean quoteing, that i must be subject or citizen? or am i miss understanding that typed word?

    In all other countries, one is a SUBJECT of the sovereign government.
    Only in American, can one be SOVEREIGN and served by government.



    again this is all what someone else has put in place that is being argued..not what i say i am...and still if following whats on the books that has been presented, you or one is subject to someone elses words and understandings?!

    so since im soverign im subject to my self? i can live with that
    Claiming to be sovereign and being sovereign are not synonymous.



    It is tragic that Americans were tricked into surrendering such a magnificent birthright.
    all have that birthright because theywere born regardless of location...

    what government has ever protected soveriegn rights?
    what is an example of the government serving a soverign in america

    again its useing a system's definitions and terms to claims ones own is it not?
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