President Sanders will fry those neocon "Chicken Hawks" - Wall St & Corporate Corruption..

[Carmen]

Posted by risveglio (here)
Sanders is far from sane.

Whoa!! Compared to who?? Donald Trump?! Now he is a big worry for the world at large. Anyone else in America spouting the same nonsense, would be committed!! And then we have Ted Cruz! On woman's issues, he's the American equivalent of the taliban!

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But hey!! Someone replied!

[Carmen]

Thanks for posting this thread cider. I've been looking and looking for a thread on Bernie Sanders, and, nothing!!😳😟 Silch!!!😠. So I had to find a new password when I finally saw this thread!!😬 This is the most exciting American election I've ever taken notice of. I reckon it's a pivotal time forAmerica! Do or Die!! And America is such a major force in the world that whoever is elected affects the whole world!!😳😳😳

[Carmen]

I had a farm field day on my place and mentioned the American. Election in my address. That's how important it is, I reckon! We seem to follow along in whatever direction USA is going! It's pathetic! And that damn PPT trade agreement needs to be stopped in its tracks?.👹 We do not want the world to be ruled any more by corporations. It's time to pull the carpet out from under those buggers!! And only people power, lots and lots of people power, individuals, who stand up and say NO, can do that😘

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Come on! Come on! Say. Something! Let's have a discussion here!

[Wide-Eyed]

Posted by Carmen (here)
I had a farm field day on my place and mentioned the American. Election in my address. That's how important it is, I reckon! We seem to follow along in whatever direction USA is going! It's pathetic! And that damn PPT trade agreement needs to be stopped in its tracks?.👹 We do not want the world to be ruled any more by corporations. It's time to pull the carpet out from under those buggers!! And only people power, lots and lots of people power, individuals, who stand up and say NO, can do that😘

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Come on! Come on! Say. Something! Let's have a discussion here!

Ah I said HEY CARMEN! What about miss Anna Lee! You go! I'm buying let's get off our collective duffs and ACTIVATE! CALL ME I HAVE CA$H for plans. First genius that can put my $$ to best use wins, PA time for action. I have more money than brains please relieve me of my exce$$

[Carmen]

Talking about the Republican Party. I think it's not good that they have put up such poor candidates! Of the ones that I have listened to, none of them are statesmen or leaders to look up to! A very weak opposition party is not good for any country! And what do I know about American Politics - Buggerall!!😟 But I bet I know as much or more than many American voters, or non-voters!! Your education system is delivering about the same as it is in New Zealand, - an underclass of really dumb people whose general knowledge is non-existent. But they. Are easily led by lies and bull****. Maybe that is deliberate!😙

[Carmen]

Immm! That's interesting. My posts aren't going through! What's going on?

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That one did not sure what I was doing incorrectly!

[Carmen]

This election needs people power, and lots of it!

Thanks wide-eyed, I don't think lots of money is the answer so much as people getting off their butts and voting.

Bernie Sanders raised $43 million just in small donations. Average donation being$35. Now that's people power!😄

[TeXaR]

Posted by risveglio (here)

Sanders isn't sane by any standard. 100 years of socialism being tried over and over again with its only accomplishment being mass murder is not a sane alternative. Socialist are either lazy, evil or stupid. They are either naive to history or choose to ignore it. The list of socialism failures is long and painful. USSR, China, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Greece, Spain, Australia, to some extent France. Most of the US problems are from bad Socialist policies. If 100 years is not enough proof, look at the Pilgrims of the new world to see more failed Socialism. Please, lets put this beast to rest already!

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Perhaps you should have a good listen to this........ if you dare

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HMUuw_K-ky0

[risveglio]

I'll listen to this whole thing but this guy is professor so of course he is a Socialist. You can talk about Socialism. People talk about Socialism all the time. Its only the Socialist that don't get it. Socialism is tried over and over and over and over and over. The results, more government power. The poor get poorer, the middle-class get poorer, the rich get poorer and the ruling class gets richer.

How he thinks you can't talk about Socialism and he is a professor is hilarious. From junior year in public schools we are drilled about how Socialism is a good thing, about all the wonderful functions of government are a form of Socialism. We are told that Marx was not that bad even though it is almost proven he was a Satanist and not an Athiest. For 8 years if you get a bachelor degree you are drilled about how wonderful things would be if we just got rid of the Capitalism that doesn't exist and just change to Socialism.

At the 7 minute mark the guy proves that he is either sinister, brainwashed or just stupid. He claims that we have Capitalism. WE DO NOT HAVE CAPITALISM in THE USA. Sorry, what you have seen in the last 7 years, 17 years, 27 years is not Capitalism. Our problems have gotten worse by removing some "Capitalism" with a little "Socialism". The more Socialism we get, the more problems we get.

Do I need to continue to listen to this dribble? If I do, will you bother reading a book from a free market capitalist?

This guy is a perfect example why your average degree in the US is practically useless. He attempts to claim the French Revolution was a "Capitalist" Revolution and that early 19th century was Capitalist and his class warfare warrior audience eats it up. I guess The Reign of Terror was a Capitalist idea. Ugh, I am losing IQ points for every minute of this dribble.

Maybe you should listen to this book ... if you dare. You can find the play list here. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...7CJF9zuvMO_C-d

Oh look, Schiff already taught Wolff a lesson on Capitalism. Though, in this version, Wolff thinks that Capitalism was a good thing, at least in the US for 100 years.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WFgqYz21wZk

Ill use this to spare me from listening to part 2 of his idiotic speech.

[Carmen]

Hang on a minute! New Zealand is a socialist country, has been for years, and we do just fine! It's when our government gets too far into the capitalistic side of the the spectrum that people suffer. It's when money becomes the 'be all' and 'end all' that people suffer, the environment suffers!

[risveglio]

Posted by Carmen (here)
Hang on a minute! New Zealand is a socialist country, has been for years, and we do just fine! It's when our government gets too far into the capitalistic side of the the spectrum that people suffer. It's when money becomes the 'be all' and 'end all' that people suffer, the environment suffers!

I'm confused. Is it a socialist country or a capitalist country? If the government is going to far into the capitalistic side, then its obviously not capitalism. Capitalism is the free exchange of goods and services without government intervention.

Though I see a common denominator. Government and Democracy is a problem in your country too, cool!

Funny that the anarcho-communist in New Zealand are called Libertarian Communists. Just shows how hard it is to discuss social policies across countries because of the stupid labels.

Maybe it is the label but I am not really sure New Zealand is a socialist country at least it appears to be less Socialist than the United States. New Zealand ranks #3 on the Economic index with a 95% rating in property rights, socialist hate property rights

The US ranks 11th with an 80% rating in property rights. New Zealand beats the US in almost every economic freedom category.

[Carmen]

We are a blend of both socialism and capitalism. For instance, health care is free, although waiting lists now are very long! Accidents are paid for by the government paid for by our taxes. We also have a goods and services tax of 15%. Surely you are talking about communism, not socialism, where the state owns the land?! We do own our land as do all citizens in socialist countries.

[risveglio]

Posted by Carmen (here)
We are a blend of both socialism and capitalism. For instance, health care is free, although waiting lists now are very long! Accidents are paid for by the government paid for by our taxes. We also have a goods and services tax of 15%. Surely you are talking about communism, not socialism, where the state owns the land?! We do own our land as do all citizens in socialist countries.

We do too. Good thing you won't spend trillions on war to "protect" the world or you will probably see record unemployment. See, here we use to have a free market in healthcare. There were problems but it is much better than it is now. What happened was we went to the government with a paper cut and they cut off our arm and gave us cancer. It's ok though because they are going to fix it.

My understanding is that socialism prefers collective ownership of property and isn't really a defender of property rights, at least not any of the socialist writers I have read. Maybe it is also a label thing. A liberal in the US used to be a lot closer to a libertarian (US definition) than to a social-democrat.

[Carmen]

Our social welfare system started in the small place where I live. It was in the 30s and the government was building the first of a series of hydro electric dams on the large river that runs through the area. The conditions for the workers building the Waitaki Dam was appalling! Many families living in tents in sub zero temperatures. Well three wise men of the time, the local doctor, Presbyterian minister and , I think, a teacher. (I'll have to research the exact story) decided to do something about the plight of working people. So, one of them stood for parliament, got in, and social welfare in New Zealand was born.

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We have also a cooperative model in New Zealand in Dairy farming. The farmers themselves own the factories, although, unfortunately that is changing as the capitalists muscle in on the profits of a very successful system, to the detriment of it.

[pyrangello]

I think a Trump/Sanders ticket for the USA election. Talk about reaching across the parties for a full balanced approach from both sides. As for this election cycle I have had quite enough of the separation of the American people based on labels, its time we come together and work together and not be paid to keep us apart. Just consider the possibilities and the meltdown on both establishments if this happened.

[risveglio]

Posted by Carmen (here)
Our social welfare system started in the small place where I live. It was in the 30s and the government was building the first of a series of hydro electric dams on the large river that runs through the area. The conditions for the workers building the Waitaki Dam was appalling! Many families living in tents in sub zero temperatures. Well three wise men of the time, the local doctor, Presbyterian minister and , I think, a teacher. (I'll have to research the exact story) decided to do something about the plight of working people. So, one of them stood for parliament, got in, and social welfare in New Zealand was born.

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We have also a cooperative model in New Zealand in Dairy farming. The farmers themselves own the factories, although, unfortunately that is changing as the capitalists muscle in on the profits of a very successful system, to the detriment of it.

Seems a little fishy. If it is so profitable why would the farmers sell to the "capitalists"? Sounds like what happens here, need someone to blame for our problems. It can't be the government, no no. It has to be the church. No, then it has to be those greedy capitalists. I do like the way New Zealand treats their cows though so I hope the "capitalists" have the same quality or they will lose a lot of US buyers which isn't very capitalistic.

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Posted by pyrangello (here)
I think a Trump/Sanders ticket for the USA election. Talk about reaching across the parties for a full balanced approach from both sides. As for this election cycle I have had quite enough of the separation of the American people based on labels, its time we come together and work together and not be paid to keep us apart. Just consider the possibilities and the meltdown on both establishments if this happened.

Sounds like a nightmare. If both parties are completely insane, isn't it better off to just discard both parties instead of mixing them? Khan and Leopold are both monsters but if we put them together, things will be awesome!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vx5n21zHPm8

[Carmen]

As far as the dairying in New Zealand, it's nothing to do with 'blame! ' The dairy industry was kinda tight! The farmers owned the shares in the factories. You could not sell your milk without being a shareholder. So the farmers had total control of their own industry. They employed the very best young marketers to sell the product. They were careful in going into other countries and usually formed partnerships with local companies. The New Zealand govt for whatever reason deemed the system non competitive because it was tightly controlled. I think the Business Round TAble in New Zealand were pushing for change! Anyway now farmers can sell their shares separately and not to farmers. It the thin edge of the wedge.! They are also talking about water rights being separated which would be disasterous! To me it's all part of a much larger plan to make farmers into peasants. Farming in New Zealand has always been very successful and financially lucrative. Not like it is in many other countries. We also had gravity fed irrigation systems that didn't need electricity to function. The govt got rid of those and now irrigation is dependant on electricity. This also meant a huge felling of trees on farms and that was dreadful to see.

In the old dairy system we had share millers. Young people who started off with say, a few cows. They didn't own the land but worked it, gradually building up to a full herd of cows and eventually farm ownership. There would be a dozen or so young farmers who worked for us and went on to own and run their own operation. It was hard work but very much a win/win situation.

Forgive me, this is a very basic explanation of dairy farming in New Zealand.

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But anyway, back to Bernie. He had a very successful rally in New York by the sounds of things!

[Carmen]

Wow! Bernie Sanders' New York rally is the biggest in American history!😀

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Sorry, someone else will have to post pictures! I suck at it!!😬

[ozmirage]

Americans surrendered their freedom, ages ago.
Why complain now?
Your ancestors embraced the policy of government taking from one to give to another.
How did you think they would enforce that?
Wheedle, "Pretty please with sugar on top?"
. . .
If you think you're "owed" Socialist InSecurity entitlements, you've been punked.
In fact, that's how millions are tricked into defending their own enslavement to the socialist State and its "benevolent" totalitarian policies.
. . .
How else could a socialist like Comrade Sanders get wild acclaim?
Democrazies always fall when enough voters vote themselves a living at the expense of [fill in the blank].

[Carmen]

What a strange comment!! 'vote themselves a living at the expense of -----???

Okay! Okay! I give up!,😧😧 what the hell do you mean? Doesn't everyone want 'a living'?