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    'God is all there is' is also a construct of the mind. It is like saying all that is seen in reflection is all that is within the reflection except there is no mirror because God is all there is.

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    Duality to Universal. It s all perspective. It's actually a hierarchy in a sense.
    Quite the iceberg don't you think?
    Indeed. You describe the distinction between "Nagual" and "Tonal" The "potential" and the "form". Vibration sustains form, hence the word "Tonal" with the root of "Tone" indicates this vibration. Naugual is the substance from which "tone" brings forth the "Tonal". It is the "Word of God" that provides the vibrations that create the Tonal. We (humans), as creator beings ourselves, also can manipulate the Naugual - this should be more natural to us but it has been "cult-ured" out of us as a whole collective and the secrets kept for the ultra elite.These terms have been religious-ized to death, but they are metaphors for, and relate to the quantum physics behind creation. The ancients kept this info and have passed it on.

    Another interesting way to look at the scale of such things we try to comprehend is to note that what I don't know I don't know is infinitely larger that what I know and what I know I don't know, combined. Until I am God, it will always be this way Same for each of us.
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    This documentary was on Nat Geo, a few days ago. Enjoy while it lasts!

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    You'll then become enlightened able to just BE.

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    That is a very interesting meditation truly.

    Alghough I am always very suspicious of anything coming from the Astral plane, the higher self which is much past the astral plane being the real first contact to truth, I believe, I must say that I had seen pretty much what you are mentioning here - except for Satan, I would not use that word because of the religious programs and connotations.

    I invite you to look at what George Kavassilas has written in these context, but with a different spin to it. His writings do relate to what you are writing, somewhat, somewhere. I will direct you to a video he posted on these topics (God, Satan, the dream, the imaginative creative processes, our higher self and where we stand).





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    Here is my attempt to provoke some enlightenment and perhaps maybe at least spark some questions about who is God? I spoke with various entities today in my meditation, two of them being Jesus Christ and the Buddha. Here is what I learned from them, through visiting them on the Astral Plane in an Out of Body Experience. It might be worth mentioning that Jesus lead me to Buddha for me to truly grasp what he was trying to tell me, in a way only Buddha could explain. Jesus loves his metaphors And parables of course, but I like the more direct, straight to the point approach. Anyway, enjoy the journey I'm gonna take your mind through... Keep an open mind.

    Our God is Nature. Everything here in this 3rd dimension is of his/her imagination, and you are part of his/her dream. The dreams create life by imagination. There are 3 others, or other Gods. They are dreaming up the other 3 dimensions (4th, 5th and 6th). The 7th dimension is the Ultimate Realityy, in which the Gods reside. They are creating us through their imagination. They can live seperately from their creations, as a unified being broken off from a piece of the God's consciousness.

    All creation by our God's imagination arrives at the 3rd dimension, and also acts like a common playground for all 4 Gods. Our God (take a deep breath!) is known sometimes and by some as Satan. Jesus was Satan in the flesh, experiencing his dream and creation first hand. The Fallen Angel, Satan, fell from the 7th plane to come down into his own nightmare, to try fix things himself, to reason with himself, against the advice of the other 3 (they didn't want him to suffer, they had another way to help mankind). Satan as a "young God" is prone to "bad thoughts", he/she is the newest edition to the family of 4. The other 3 are intervening now as ETs from other dimensions or other universes in the 3rd dimension. Those from other dimensions are the other Gods' imagination manifested, and some seek out to help Satan awake from his nightmare by closing the loop of rebirth and teaching mankind to become enlightened. Those from the third dimension are either Satan's thoughts manifested into forms of life or the telepathic thoughts manifested into being from the other 3 Gods who are here to heal us and are a part of God (Satan/Nature). They are our family. They are our High Angels (or simply, Gods). Satan is one such High Angel, who as mentioned, is new to Ultimate Reality (7th dimension) and will as Nature intends, regulate his/herself to restore balance. Satan speaks musically and poetically in parables and uses symbols as he/she likes to keep complicated matters into little compartments that can be represented by symbolism and metaphor as well as math which gives birth to science and all laws of Nature. This is why each receives their own perspective of God. Some see God as many, some as one, and some more interestingly don't see a god at all, rather they see God's true self: pure love and often in the form of "place" or state of "being". God is thus a sort of shapeshifter, transforming and forming through his/her imagination, manifesting constantly. Out of control. Our "young" God is learning how to regain control over the chaos that came with the third dimension, with Satan's very own being in existence.

    Originally there was one True God, always I should say, who split into two, then the two split again. Each God is pure love born of consciousness that is eternal. Consciousness that created the 4 Gods through its own imagination. This consciousness is the Alpha and Omega. One of the four Gods, (Satan/Gaia/Nature/etc, all the same God) gave his/her creations free will, and so "evil" was born with the ability to stray from God's plan. The other 3 know to not do this, rather design for their creations a path through life that is one with their design/plan which brings peace and endless love. Satan gave us free will so that we can all be Gods, bringing our imagination into being, but so that it is distinguishable and more rewarding, it is not instantaneous, it must follow the laws of time and natural processes and must come from love, so that it can be an escape from heaven. It must be different. And so the "too smart for his/her own good" Satan thus successfully escaped or "fell" from "heaven", to escape and allow his thoughts/creations to live like Gods, unwittingly causing evil, creating a nightmare in which the other 3 Gods are helping him/her through, as it is a natural process of being. We as humans thus begin with Nature, die, return to our God enlightened (eventually), slowly piece him/her back together and purify him/her, we all wake up together and are rejoined with our family of 4. When we are all together again, we can do as we please. Everything is possible. And everything is good, now that we are pure. Now that I am pure. As we and I are the same.

    The trinity in Christianity for example, is a metaphor for this consciousness' interlaced features. The father, speaking from it being the origin of all things as consciousness. The son, being pure love born of consciousness and came into being to become Other to be objective and "love God/itself", and the holy spirit, being the power of the original consciousness that is imagination and free will, so that God's love is able to be free and take its own path, to or from God so that God knows true love. The trick is that there was never a timeline, no past no future, just a perfect circle of self, that creates other, that moves through the cycle, to become self, that will create other, that will continue on for eternity. So we as humans are the lucky ones. When this life is over we return to our God as an individual and unique being. We exist as a memory, and as we are remembered we remain as individuals. Otherwise we are absorbed by the greater consciousness. Once we are enlightened, and follow the path to God, we enter heaven - the 7th plane, among the 4 Gods and do as they do, create our own reality - however we do not create new life, that is not possible until Satan is restored to his/her pure state. Satan in the 7th dimension is aware that he/she is dreaming. We as humans are born unaware that we are the dream, this is one fundamental difference between us.

    The self effort exerted through free will to find our God is the point of existence - to test this True Love, to see if in the absence of a God (or the apparent absence), humans (fragments of God) will want to return to God him/herself. The question is: IS OUR LOVE REAL? And we learn what love is about in this 3rd dimension, then, we enter Love itself. And so here we are. Little imaginary beings living in an imaginary world by an imaginary God dreaming us into existence to prove that the love he/she was born from was true and to truly embrace his/her new life with the 3 others in a world of imagination, where anything is possible with us as eternal as long as single memory of our existence in this world remains. Welcome to existence. There's no more disappearing after you have emerged, you simply are, and so you should simply be. In life, love is the only thing that matters, first of yourself then of others, as above so below. It is not hard to reach enlightenment, just seek the truth of your Higher Self, who is the original thought of who you are when you first became, and the collection of all experiences, this life and others lived in the future and the past. Once you have found your Higher Self, they will guide you through all the steps you need to take. Trust in them and yourself, really. You as who you are today are one drop in the ocean of time, that spans past and future and happens all at once, and so I say that this is only one life, afterward we rejoin in death with our Higher Selves first at what seemed like only one turn of the wheel to connect ourselves to the sum of our experiences, learned in life so that we are like Gods, and then enter the 7th dimension of Ultimate Reality. Heaven. Nirvana. There we become one with our God Satan, but keep our memory of ourselves and so we live on through eternity.

    And so 4 Gods split into the countless. All thoughts come into being through a God's dream. Hence our God's lesson is of self control, and to use his/her life giving power more responsibly, raising his/her new children (the next wave of beings once we've regrouped) in his/her light and love, no confusion, just unconditional, upfront and unyielding love. Life is thus a precious gift. A gift of free will. A gift of becoming a God. Life may seem cruel, but we all experience cruelty as a way of working through the nightmare together and to not let evil reside in our hearts, or others if possible. Good will conquer evil, it is Nature's way to restore balance, and so one way or another it will return us back to Earth or another planet in this dimension time and time again until there is a balance of stable energies, as represented by the chakras. Remember our God, speaks to us through metaphors and parables and symbols and music and imagination/creativity and intuition. Listen and look out for the forest beyond the tree. Peace & <3

    PS: I hope people are open minded enough to realize the benevolence of the character Satan in our religious/historical pasttime and realise that he/she is infact Nature itself. I'm not devil worshipping, and nor was a woman who understood math a case of witchcraft in the Dark Ages. I hope the majority of us have moved on from those times.

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    Appreciate your posting George K's videos. He makes a lot of sense!

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    Self is not learned or taught it is realized.
    Answers are always within and do not need validation.

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    The Self evidence pointed to by the enlightened is uniform and for me convincing.

    "I am That I am" speaks volumes.
    I can verify that I am without anything else for confirmation.
    Self awareness.

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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    Self is not learned or taught it is realized.
    Answers are always within and do not need validation.

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    There are facts and opinions about facts
    The Self evidence pointed to by the enlightened is uniform and for me convincing.

    "I am That I am" speaks volumes.
    I can verify that I am without anything else for confirmation.
    Self awareness.

    Chris
    Thats true but in the beginning it helps to know what questions to ask the in dweller.
    I am indebted to those who pointed the way and told me that the Guru is within.
    Then validation is as you say not necessary, nor are questions.

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    Quote Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
    I have a sharing for you, Piotrcloud, hope you enjoy. Just this week I had a revelation about the relationship between my higher self and I and while the realisation in itself is simple, the implications are staggering to me.

    I realised that my higher self and I are the one indivisible being, not in a weíre energetically connected hence we are one way, no, as in we are literally one being and the perception and experience of being two is an illusion.

    I could write all day about this revelation but for now I would like to share about its implications regarding creating consciously. The act of creating consciously, while in human form, is not about trying to become more conscious. By doing this we will always experience needing to be more conscious, by resonating a state of being which contains the need to be more conscious. Itís a little bit like the spoon in the Matrix movie - rather than trying to make the spoon bend, see there is no spoon. Well in this case, rather than trying to become more conscious, see that we already are. See that we already are creating this reality in full consciousness/awareness and then endeavour to resonate at that level of awareness, while still being incarnated physically.

    The aim is not to dissolve the illusion because if we were to do that the image would dissolve with it. Rather, seek to become more and more aware of the illusion. In this way, we can continue to experience the image in full awareness, without dissolving it. Everything that can be experienced is real, the fact that itís illusory doesnít make it not real, it just means it is not as it appears.
    This is really fantastic! Thank you so much for sharing this

    I just had a meditation today where I found that I was the source of pure love that I consider to be the source of all creation in this universe. I am still perplexed, but it is an interesting revelation. I know that this reflects teachings that I have heard - unity consciousness, that we are all 3D manifestations of the same source of pure love, the source of creation.

    Your consciousness realizations are profound. Thank you so much for sharing them, Innocent Warrior.

    Last year, a friend told me to write a message to myself on my mirror as a way of helping me switch things up energetically and psychologically. I chose this affirmation. I took this pic fall 2015.


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    Quote Posted by The Freedom Train (here)
    Quote Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
    I have a sharing for you, Piotrcloud, hope you enjoy. Just this week I had a revelation about the relationship between my higher self and I and while the realisation in itself is simple, the implications are staggering to me.

    I realised that my higher self and I are the one indivisible being, not in a weíre energetically connected hence we are one way, no, as in we are literally one being and the perception and experience of being two is an illusion.

    I could write all day about this revelation but for now I would like to share about its implications regarding creating consciously. The act of creating consciously, while in human form, is not about trying to become more conscious. By doing this we will always experience needing to be more conscious, by resonating a state of being which contains the need to be more conscious. Itís a little bit like the spoon in the Matrix movie - rather than trying to make the spoon bend, see there is no spoon. Well in this case, rather than trying to become more conscious, see that we already are. See that we already are creating this reality in full consciousness/awareness and then endeavour to resonate at that level of awareness, while still being incarnated physically.

    The aim is not to dissolve the illusion because if we were to do that the image would dissolve with it. Rather, seek to become more and more aware of the illusion. In this way, we can continue to experience the image in full awareness, without dissolving it. Everything that can be experienced is real, the fact that itís illusory doesnít make it not real, it just means it is not as it appears.
    This is really fantastic! Thank you so much for sharing this

    I just had a meditation today where I found that I was the source of pure love that I consider to be the source of all creation in this universe. I am still perplexed, but it is an interesting revelation. I know that this reflects teachings that I have heard - unity consciousness, that we are all 3D manifestations of the same source of pure love, the source of creation.

    Your consciousness realizations are profound. Thank you so much for sharing them, Innocent Warrior.

    Last year, a friend told me to write a message to myself on my mirror as a way of helping me switch things up energetically and psychologically. I chose this affirmation. I took this pic fall 2015.

    Thank you Freedom Train.

    I love the mirror idea and I'll be doing that!
    Never give up on your silly, silly dreams.

    You mustn't be afraid to dream a little BIGGER, darling.

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    It appears to me that the dialogue between truthseekerdan and zoolife demonstrates "the paradox" which is at the heart of all mystical traditions and the perennial philosophy.

    For me, both are right.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Apart from Freedom Train's lovely photo, I'd like to see some images of what folk think is God. I know that to a lot of people 'there is no man in the sky' but to my imagination there is!

    I love pictures :

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    Having come from a very narrowminded religious background & reflecting on what I have learned SO FAR....there must be an Ultimate Source from which all else flows & if we can slow our inner beings down to simply experience that all-encompassing LOVE & realize exactly who we ARE, we may have made a step in the right direction. It is very difficult to "unbrainwash" one's self from the conditioning that has been taking place since the moment we were born!

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    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    Having come from a very narrowminded religious background & reflecting on what I have learned SO FAR....there must be an Ultimate Source from which all else flows & if we can slow our inner beings down to simply experience that all-encompassing LOVE & realize exactly who we ARE, we may have made a step in the right direction. It is very difficult to "unbrainwash" one's self from the conditioning that has been taking place since the moment we were born!
    I was lucky I rebelled against relgion at an early age (4) but fell in love with Christ, God knows how that happened.
    We had Religious instruction at school and that started it I guess.
    I was filled with wonder at natural things.

    A friend Uffe came to stay when I was about 45--I cant remember what I said but lovingly he said "Your just a child Chris"
    Part of me has not grown up.
    I have been hurt in relationships many times but I have not given up on loving people.
    Its my nature--I can not claim its something I have worked at---It is the God within.
    There is no where God is not --He is within me and everyone and out there too, so to speak--I am one with That, a ray of the Divine as Nasargadatta said.
    We are all rays of the Divine--we are all That.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    Having come from a very narrowminded religious background & reflecting on what I have learned SO FAR....there must be an Ultimate Source from which all else flows & if we can slow our inner beings down to simply experience that all-encompassing LOVE & realize exactly who we ARE, we may have made a step in the right direction. It is very difficult to "unbrainwash" one's self from the conditioning that has been taking place since the moment we were born!
    I was lucky I rebelled against relgion at an early age (4) but fell in love with Christ, God knows how that happened.
    We had Religious instruction at school and that started it I guess.
    I was filled with wonder at natural things.

    A friend Uffe came to stay when I was about 45--I cant remember what I said but lovingly he said "Your just a child Chris"
    Part of me has not grown up.
    I have been hurt in relationships many times but I have not given up on loving people.
    Its my nature--I can not claim its something I have worked at---It is the God within.
    There is no where God is not --He is within me and everyone and out there too, so to speak--I am one with That, a ray of the Divine as Nasargadatta said.
    We are all rays of the Divine--we are all That.
    Ch
    Reminds me Chris what old Master Jung had carved in stone at the entrance to his house in Kusnacht,Called or not God is present.

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    I was reading these posts about deprogramming and posted a book in the free PDF thread here, it's called ďThe Power Of HabitĒ, you may find it of interest. The idea is that with an understanding of how habit works weíre able to get rid of old destructive habits and/or create new desirable habits.

    We think we get up every day and make a series of decisions throughout our day but what weíre actually doing, for the most part, is running a program made up of a series or learned/behaved habits. The book explains in detail how this works and itís also applicable for completely reprogramming your mind, which is how Iíve been applying it and have found it highly effective.

    This book will teach you about the habit loop -> cue - routine - reward. What Iíve been doing is identifying all my cues and using the same cues but then choosing different routines and then I make the reward the same every time, which is the thrill of being aware that Iím writing my own program - surprisingly a lot more effective than I had theorised. This will make more sense to you if you read the book, or just the first section will do. This is an ambitious application of the book but not a problem for folks, such as yourselves, who have an advanced Self/self awareness and donít identify with your mind and programming - a major benefit of spiritual practices. Iíve found this book very helpful in working on the thought and behavioural level of my psyche and highly recommend giving it a read to anyone who is interested in efficiently aligning the program of your mind with the higher aspects of yourself. You still need an unshakable resolve but practice makes perfect and it works.
    Never give up on your silly, silly dreams.

    You mustn't be afraid to dream a little BIGGER, darling.

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    I was reading these posts about deprogramming and posted a book in the free PDF thread here, it's called ďThe Power Of HabitĒ, you may find it of interest. The idea is that with an understanding of how habit works weíre able to get rid of old destructive habits and/or create new desirable habits.

    We think we get up every day and make a series of decisions throughout our day but what weíre actually doing, for the most part, is running a program made up of a series or learned/behaved habits. The book explains in detail how this works and itís also applicable for completely reprogramming your mind, which is how Iíve been applying it and have found it highly effective.

    This book will teach you about the habit loop -> cue - routine - reward. What Iíve been doing is identifying all my cues and using the same cues but then choosing different routines and then I make the reward the same every time, which is the thrill of being aware that Iím writing my own program - surprisingly a lot more effective than I had theorised. This will make more sense to you if you read the book, or just the first section will do. This is an ambitious application of the book but not a problem for folks, such as yourselves, who have an advanced Self/self awareness and donít identify with your mind and programming - a major benefit of spiritual practices. Iíve found this book very helpful in working on the thought and behavioural level of my psyche and highly recommend giving it a read to anyone who is interested in efficiently aligning the program of your mind with the higher aspects of yourself. You still need an unshakable resolve but practice makes perfect and it works.
    That sounds like an interesting practice, would like to give it a try! Thanks for sharing, Innocent Warrior!!

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    That sounds like an interesting practice, would like to give it a try! Thanks for sharing, Innocent Warrior!!
    My pleasure, Freedom Train. I've been getting into audiobooks lately and saw it on YouTube last night. There's an enormous amount of audiobooks on YouTube and they're great for if you don't have the time to sit down with a book. Here it is, for if that helps -



    I'm converting them to mp3, downloading them and then putting them on my iPod too. If you're into that, here's a good website you can use to do convert and download anything off YouTube.
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