+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 4 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 65

Thread: Wi-Fi

  1. Link to Post #1
    United States Avalon Member Foxie Loxie's Avatar
    Join Date
    20th September 2015
    Location
    Central NY
    Age
    79
    Posts
    3,078
    Thanks
    67,683
    Thanked 17,639 times in 2,960 posts

    Default Wi-Fi

    Hello All! A question for anyone who might understand about these things. I live in small trailer & have WI-FI so I can use the laptop at either end. Could this be affecting my health in any way?

  2. The Following 19 Users Say Thank You to Foxie Loxie For This Post:

    Ai-u-que (30th March 2016), AriG (30th March 2016), Art (31st March 2016), Bill Ryan (30th March 2016), BMJ (31st October 2017), Calz (8th April 2016), Cidersomerset (31st October 2017), drneglector (30th March 2016), Inversion (30th March 2016), justntime2learn (30th March 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), Nasu (30th March 2016), sirdipswitch (30th March 2016), Spiral (31st October 2017), ThePythonicCow (30th March 2016), william r sanford72 (30th March 2016), ZooLife (31st March 2016)

  3. Link to Post #2
    Avalon Member uzn's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th March 2015
    Location
    Earth for now
    Posts
    1,792
    Thanks
    5,266
    Thanked 14,168 times in 1,747 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Yup, remember the hysteria when it became apparent that mobiles have lots of microwave-radiation and the public started debating about it. Now WiFi transmitts 4-6 times stronger than any mobile. If you are very sensitive you should switch the router(WiFi) off when not surfing. But also remember that if u live in normal House in a city there are at least 20 WiFi atennas nearby.
    Last edited by uzn; 30th March 2016 at 13:01.

  4. The Following 13 Users Say Thank You to uzn For This Post:

    Art (31st March 2016), Bill Ryan (30th March 2016), Calz (8th April 2016), drneglector (30th March 2016), Foxie Loxie (30th March 2016), justntime2learn (30th March 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), Nasu (30th March 2016), sirdipswitch (30th March 2016), Spiral (31st October 2017), william r sanford72 (30th March 2016), ZooLife (31st March 2016)

  5. Link to Post #3
    United States Administrator ThePythonicCow's Avatar
    Join Date
    4th January 2011
    Location
    North Texas
    Language
    English
    Age
    76
    Posts
    28,581
    Thanks
    30,501
    Thanked 138,438 times in 21,490 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    Hello All! A question for anyone who might understand about these things. I live in small trailer & have WI-FI so I can use the laptop at either end. Could this be affecting my health in any way?
    Like many things, the human body has a wide tolerance for harmful effects, but not an infinite tolerance.

    Indeed, the body grows healthiest when it has to adapt to some toxic food, water, air, and electronic emissions. It's healthier to eat a little dirt than to live in sterile isolation.

    Wi-Fi does effect the body, of that I'm pretty sure. How much varies by person, and where they are on the curve of health. For a few, the effects of Wi-Fi can be quite noticeable and not appreciated.

    Personally, I have never consciously noticed any effects of Wi-Fi or other high frequency pollution ... but still I turn off my Wi-Fi when I am not using it, on general principles .
    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 30th March 2016 at 13:32. Reason: edited and saved in error - apologies. Nothing was changed :)
    My quite dormant website: pauljackson.us

  6. The Following 20 Users Say Thank You to ThePythonicCow For This Post:

    Art (31st March 2016), Bill Ryan (30th March 2016), BMJ (7th April 2016), Calz (8th April 2016), fourty-two (7th April 2016), Foxie Loxie (30th March 2016), Ivanhoe (30th March 2016), justntime2learn (30th March 2016), Matt P (30th March 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), Nasu (30th March 2016), Raven (7th April 2016), sirdipswitch (30th March 2016), Spiral (31st October 2017), TargeT (30th March 2016), toppy (30th March 2016), uzn (30th March 2016), william r sanford72 (30th March 2016), ZooLife (31st March 2016)

  7. Link to Post #4
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    34,268
    Thanks
    208,997
    Thanked 457,535 times in 32,788 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    .
    Proximity is a major factor in any exposure to anything.

    It's best not to sleep with a router next to your pillow! (That's a joke.) But if the router (which is the thing that broadcasts the Wifi signal) is way removed from where you usually are, your devices should pick up the signal well, but your body won't really notice at all.

    It's like sound, and Wifi attenuates (decreases with distance) in the same way. If I'm right next to you and I whisper in your ear, you'll pick up what I'm saying loudly and clearly. But if I'm at the other end of your trailer, you'd not even know that I was ever whispering anything at all.

  8. The Following 15 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    BMJ (7th April 2016), Calz (8th April 2016), fourty-two (7th April 2016), Foxie Loxie (30th March 2016), janette (8th April 2016), justntime2learn (30th March 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Michi (30th March 2016), Mike (7th April 2016), Nasu (30th March 2016), sirdipswitch (30th March 2016), SR19 (30th March 2016), Ted (30th March 2016), william r sanford72 (30th March 2016), ZooLife (31st March 2016)

  9. Link to Post #5
    United States Avalon Member
    Join Date
    20th June 2015
    Location
    Dreamland
    Age
    68
    Posts
    269
    Thanks
    490
    Thanked 1,298 times in 251 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Bill's right, signal strength decreases exponentially with distance. You get a lot more RF exposure from a cell phone right next to your body than from a router a few feet away.
    Living in a trailer with aluminum siding might have a higher overall level of radiation due to the reflection off the aluminum. There are cheap little RF detectors to measure signal strength which you can buy if you're concerned. As was mentioned above, if you're in good health and don't notice any ill effects I wouldn't worry about it. We are constantly bombarded with all kinds of radiation which the body seems to cope with.

  10. The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Ted For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (30th March 2016), BMJ (7th April 2016), Foxie Loxie (30th March 2016), hohoemi (8th April 2016), justntime2learn (30th March 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), Nasu (30th March 2016), sirdipswitch (30th March 2016), SR19 (30th March 2016), ZooLife (31st March 2016)

  11. Link to Post #6
    Avalon Member
    Join Date
    17th September 2012
    Posts
    1,165
    Thanks
    1,864
    Thanked 5,931 times in 1,031 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    Hello All! A question for anyone who might understand about these things. I live in small trailer & have WI-FI so I can use the laptop at either end. Could this be affecting my health in any way?
    I will bow to the more technical expertise noted here on Wi-Fi, but.. I do know this. A little background.

    When we moved to our land and began building our Barndo, we purchased a small RV in which to "flop" during construction. We did this as it was easier than driving from the city every day to work. Within 30 days of living in the RV, I was horribly sick. The gases and formaldehydes used in trailers is incredibly toxic. I would encourage you to do some research if you are not feeling well. Luckily, we only used the trailer for about 60 days, but it was quite detrimental to my health (incidentally, I have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, Encephalopathy and lupus). If you are feeling "off", you may want to investigate your RV or trailer. I also see that you are in Central NY. How in the world do you survive winter in a trailer? You must be made of really tough stuff Anyhow, don't want to scare you, but do look into the air quality in your trailer. xoxo

  12. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to AriG For This Post:

    Art (31st March 2016), Bill Ryan (30th March 2016), BMJ (7th April 2016), Foxie Loxie (30th March 2016), justntime2learn (7th April 2016), Matt P (30th March 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), Nasu (30th March 2016), sirdipswitch (30th March 2016)

  13. Link to Post #7
    United States Administrator ThePythonicCow's Avatar
    Join Date
    4th January 2011
    Location
    North Texas
    Language
    English
    Age
    76
    Posts
    28,581
    Thanks
    30,501
    Thanked 138,438 times in 21,490 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Quote Posted by Ted (here)
    Bill's right, signal strength decreases exponentially with distance. You get a lot more RF exposure from a cell phone right next to your body than from a router a few feet away.
    The laptop that's connected by Wi-Fi will also generate signal ... normal interaction over the Web sends data both ways, and Wi-Fi links have underlying signals being sent, just to stay connected, even when not actually sending any data.

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    Quote Posted by AriG (here)
    When we moved to our land and began building our Barndo, we purchased a small RV in which to "flop" during construction. We did this as it was easier than driving from the city every day to work. Within 30 days of living in the RV, I was horribly sick. The gases and formaldehydes used in trailers is incredibly toxic.
    New trailers can be especially bad for formaldehyde.

    When I bought the trailer I live in, brand new 8 years ago, I was fortunate to be able to leave it unoccupied for over a month, with all the windows and interior doors wide open, and several fans blowing air hither and yon, to "air" it out some.
    My quite dormant website: pauljackson.us

  14. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to ThePythonicCow For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (30th March 2016), BMJ (7th April 2016), Foxie Loxie (30th March 2016), hohoemi (8th April 2016), justntime2learn (7th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), Nasu (30th March 2016), sirdipswitch (30th March 2016), TargeT (7th April 2016)

  15. Link to Post #8
    United States Avalon Member sirdipswitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th February 2012
    Age
    79
    Posts
    1,795
    Thanks
    1,073
    Thanked 10,166 times in 1,683 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Hey Foxie!! Thanx fer thread and asking this question!!!

    And THANX ALL... for all the great replies!!!!!!

    I been wonderin this very same question!!

    Still tryin to figure out how to do what... with this here new puter... that is now hooked up with---WIFI !!!

    And of course I been wonderin about all the scarry stuff I been readin right here about all the harmful effects of WIFI.

    I told George I been wonderin about this stuff... and He just chuckles and says:

    "Yae, and sometimes I wonder about You."
    grrrr...hate when He does that...ccc
    Love, Peace, Humor
    sirdipswitch


    " A little knowledge, is a dangerous thing... so is a lot."
    - Albert Einstein -

    "Please, Do NOT, believe a word that I say, for this is my journey not yours. Go do your own research. Listen to no-one. Find YOUR own Truth. As "I" did." "It is all just a Game, play it as you will."
    -sirdipswitch-

  16. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to sirdipswitch For This Post:

    Foxie Loxie (30th March 2016), justntime2learn (7th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), Nasu (30th March 2016), Rich (28th April 2019)

  17. Link to Post #9
    Avalon Member uzn's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th March 2015
    Location
    Earth for now
    Posts
    1,792
    Thanks
    5,266
    Thanked 14,168 times in 1,747 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    For local PC´s and Laptops that are always at the same desk i would use a Lan-cable to the router and skip WiFi altogether. Doesn´t really work for Tablets or if u change ur location much. Always remember, very many military radaroperators have gotten cancer not so long after their service.

  18. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to uzn For This Post:

    hohoemi (8th April 2016), justntime2learn (7th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016)

  19. Link to Post #10
    United States Avalon Member Foxie Loxie's Avatar
    Join Date
    20th September 2015
    Location
    Central NY
    Age
    79
    Posts
    3,078
    Thanks
    67,683
    Thanked 17,639 times in 2,960 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Thanks to all for the answers! Actually, we had a mild winter up here this year; so I'm not complaining. At least I can get my windows open for a bit now & then this Spring.

  20. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Foxie Loxie For This Post:

    justntime2learn (7th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016)

  21. Link to Post #11
    Avalon Member justntime2learn's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd April 2014
    Posts
    2,167
    Thanks
    67,271
    Thanked 14,880 times in 2,121 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    This just doesn't sound like a good Idea ...

    "WiFi on Wheels Puts Two Districts on the Fast Track to 24/7 Access Internet-enabled school buses keep students connected on the road, in school parking lots and in their own neighborhoods."



    Link:https://thejournal.com/articles/2015...on-wheels.aspx
    Last edited by justntime2learn; 7th April 2016 at 02:01.

  22. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to justntime2learn For This Post:

    Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016)

  23. Link to Post #12
    United States Avalon Member Mike's Avatar
    Join Date
    24th January 2011
    Location
    journeying to the end of the night
    Age
    46
    Posts
    5,777
    Thanks
    35,703
    Thanked 50,309 times in 5,692 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    It depends on your health.

    Ive mentioned many times this mitochondrial disease im dealing with. If I handle a smart phone for over 45 mins, or a laptop, I will experience unpleasant symtoms for days or even weeks.

    My brain will become muddled and slow....and my heart will feel like a black hole-unfathomably empty and devoid of energy.

    I have to operate in fits n spurts on the net.

    Healthy people on the other hand feel nothing, and can go on internetting for hours n hours without symptoms.. But I have no doubt that wifi radiation is working on their systems in a harmful way...they just don't feel it

  24. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Mike For This Post:

    hohoemi (8th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017)

  25. Link to Post #13
    UK Avalon Member Nick Matkin's Avatar
    Join Date
    17th March 2012
    Posts
    1,674
    Thanks
    1,615
    Thanked 5,741 times in 1,499 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    From an engineering background, I can confirm what others have said, that the field strength falls rapidly with distance - known as the inverse square law. If you double the distance you quarter the field strength.

    I and my colleagues have worked for decades in radio fields-strengths orders of magnitude higher than the public are ever exposed to. We are all still fit and healthy - at the moment! We tend to look at all these health scares about low-level EMF radiation with scepticism; we tend to think there are psychological aspects at work here (the nocebo effect), though I think it is possible a very few people might be sensitive. If you really are one of those people, living with wi-fi in what amounts to a metal box - with you in it - may be a bad idea.

    I don't bother to switch off my wi-fi at night, even though it's in the bedroom...

    (This probably goes against what most people on this forum want to believe, but it is my experience.)
    Last edited by Nick Matkin; 7th April 2016 at 18:52.

  26. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Nick Matkin For This Post:

    hohoemi (8th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016)

  27. Link to Post #14
    Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    7th April 2010
    Location
    The new world
    Posts
    708
    Thanks
    3,045
    Thanked 3,127 times in 560 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    From what I can tell these fields often have long term effects, for instance, you if start using a cell phone at age 16 and talk on it many times a day putting it close to your ear in a good 10/20 years you may find a cancerous growth on the phone side of your ear. This is already been reported. Some time a few years ago their was a article on how wall street investors who have a cell glued to their ear were coming down with a particular type of head cancer to one side of the head. George Noory talks about his sister's death by this type of cancer. So things are beginning to leak out despite the MSM blackout on this type of news.
    But for me the real question is what forces are behind the pushing of the electronic pollution on us relabeling it as progressive and fun.
    To me that is the red flag.
    Remember these guys are control freaks.

  28. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to 3(C)+me For This Post:

    hohoemi (8th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016)

  29. Link to Post #15
    UK Avalon Member Nick Matkin's Avatar
    Join Date
    17th March 2012
    Posts
    1,674
    Thanks
    1,615
    Thanked 5,741 times in 1,499 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Quote Posted by cccme (here)
    [...] But for me the real question is what forces are behind the pushing of the electronic pollution on us [...]
    That'll be the public's appetite for easily available information at almost any place, any time, although most people are ill equipped to assess the quality of the information. (But that's another story entirely.)

  30. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Nick Matkin For This Post:

    hohoemi (8th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), TargeT (7th April 2016)

  31. Link to Post #16
    United States On Sabbatical
    Join Date
    30th June 2011
    Location
    The Seat of Corruption
    Age
    44
    Posts
    9,177
    Thanks
    25,610
    Thanked 53,659 times in 8,694 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    Quote Posted by cccme (here)
    [...] But for me the real question is what forces are behind the pushing of the electronic pollution on us [...]
    That'll be the public's appetite for easily available information at almost any place, any time,

    No conspiracy here.. sunlight is more "dangerous" than WIFI.


    I feel confident stating that 99.99999% of people will have absolutely no effect from being around WIFI; leaving a very very small margin for some freak of probability.


    There are MANY other places to start looking when one is concerned with health, diet should be first (and second, and third, and fourth).


    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    although most people are ill equipped to assess the quality of the information. (But that's another story entirely.)
    Oh I'm sure they do fine with their facebook(societal/emotional porn) and their porn (regular style porn) and MSM offerings (fear porn)... most don't go for overly dense data sets or papers before they go for kitten videos and facebook status updates.

    while there is an issue with information absorption, it's not much of an issue as the average interwebs user doesn't seem to expose themselves to too much informational based consumption when there's so much entertainment based things to consume.
    Last edited by TargeT; 7th April 2016 at 20:54.
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
    Where are you?

  32. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to TargeT For This Post:

    BMJ (31st October 2017), drneglector (8th April 2016), hohoemi (8th April 2016), janette (8th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), zebowho (31st October 2017)

  33. Link to Post #17
    United States Avalon Member Mike's Avatar
    Join Date
    24th January 2011
    Location
    journeying to the end of the night
    Age
    46
    Posts
    5,777
    Thanks
    35,703
    Thanked 50,309 times in 5,692 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    Quote Posted by cccme (here)
    [...] But for me the real question is what forces are behind the pushing of the electronic pollution on us [...]
    That'll be the public's appetite for easily available information at almost any place, any time,

    No conspiracy here.. sunlight is more dangerous than WIFI.


    I feel confident stating that 99.999999999999999% of people will have absolutely no effect from being around WIFI; leaving a very very small margin for some freak of probability.


    There are MANY other places to start looking when one is concerned with health, diet should be first (and second, and third, and fourth).


    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    although most people are ill equipped to assess the quality of the information. (But that's another story entirely.)
    Oh I'm sure they do fine with their facebook(societal/emotional porn) and their porn (regular style porn) and MSM offerings (fear porn)... most don't go for overly dense data sets or papers before they go for kitten videos and facebook status updates.

    while there is an issue with information absorption, it's not much of an issue as the average interwebs user doesn't seem to expose themselves to too much informational based consumption when there's so much entertainment based things to consume.


    Actually, sunlight is quite healthy as long as youre getting your healthy fats...but I digress.

    I'm 100% confident that your statement that 99.999999999.....% of people arent affected negatively by wifi is incorrect. I don't say that to engender some flip response from you, I say it because besides myself, I know 3 other freaks of probablity that are indeed affected negatively by wifi. Imagine the odds? I listed just a couple of my symptoms above. There are many more.

    I do agree that diet should be examined first if one is feeling unwell. We tend to get very esoteric about things here sometimes while ignoring the obvious. But wifi can be detrimental to health, without a doubt. I know firsthand. Of course there are various factors, such as location, frequency of use etc..

  34. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Mike For This Post:

    drneglector (8th April 2016), hohoemi (8th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017)

  35. Link to Post #18
    Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    7th April 2010
    Location
    The new world
    Posts
    708
    Thanks
    3,045
    Thanked 3,127 times in 560 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    Quote Posted by cccme (here)
    [...] But for me the real question is what forces are behind the pushing of the electronic pollution on us [...]
    That'll be the public's appetite for easily available information at almost any place, any time,

    No conspiracy here.. sunlight is more dangerous than WIFI.


    I feel confident stating that 99.999999999999999% of people will have absolutely no effect from being around WIFI; leaving a very very small margin for some freak of probability.


    There are MANY other places to start looking when one is concerned with health, diet should be first (and second, and third, and fourth).


    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    although most people are ill equipped to assess the quality of the information. (But that's another story entirely.)
    Oh I'm sure they do fine with their facebook(societal/emotional porn) and their porn (regular style porn) and MSM offerings (fear porn)... most don't go for overly dense data sets or papers before they go for kitten videos and facebook status updates.

    while there is an issue with information absorption, it's not much of an issue as the average interwebs user doesn't seem to expose themselves to too much informational based consumption when there's so much entertainment based things to consume.
    You really need to do some due diligence and read the research coming out of Europe about the a adverse effects of Wi-Fi.
    Because your above statement is simply untrue and you are without knowing it are simply spreading more disinformation rather than clarifying things.
    Less surfing the web more research things you are 99% sure is harmless.


    10 Shocking Facts about the Health Dangers of Wi-Fi



    Wi-Fi is convenient but many have raised doubts concerning the safety of unseen forces that permeate everything around us. Since the introduction of Wi-Fi in 1997, researchers have performed dozens of studies to explore the subject. The results are clear and shocking — Wifi can negatively affect overall health and brain health, especially in children.

    Perhaps most shocking is that this information is not new or even that controversial. In fact, in 2008 the well-renowned publication Scientific American ran a piece called “Mind Control by Cell Phone” which explained the danger Wi-Fi has on the human brain. [1] Let’s further explore the potential dangers of Wi-Fi with these 10 facts.

    1. Contributes to the Development of Insomnia

    Have you ever felt more awake after using Wi-Fi or even struggled to sleep through the night? Reports of these phenomena have been frequent and even prompted a study in 2007 that evaluated low-frequency modulation from cell phones and its impact on sleep. Participants were exposed to the electromagnetic signals from real phones or no signal from fake phones. Those exposed to the electromagnetic radiation had a significantly more difficult time falling asleep and changes in brainwave patterns were observed. [2]






    It’s been suggested that sleeping near a phone, in a home with Wi-Fi, or in an apartment building with many Wi-Fi signals can create chronic sleep problems as the constant bombardment of Wi-Fi pollution interferes with falling asleep and sleep patterns. For many, sleep deprivation is just the start for larger problems. The development of depression and hypertension have also been linked to inadequate sleep. [3]

    2. Damaging to Childhood Development

    Exposure to non-thermal radio frequency radiation from Wi-Fi and cellular phones can disrupt normal cellular development, especially fetal development. A 2004 animal study linked exposure to delayed kidney development. [4] These findings were supported by a 2009 Austrian study. In fact, the disruption of protein synthesis is so severe that authors specifically noted, “this cell property is especially pronounced in growing tissues, that is, in children and youth. Consequently, these population groups would be more susceptible than average to the described effects.” [5] In short, bathing the developmentally young in Wi-Fi increases their risk of developmental issues.

    3. Affects Cell Growth

    When a group of Danish ninth graders experienced difficulty concentrating after sleeping with their cell phones by their head, they performed an experiment to test the effect of wireless Wi-Fi routers on garden cress. One set of plants was grown in a room free of wireless radiation; the other group grew next to two routers that released the same amount of radiation as a cell phone. The results? The plants nearest the radiation didn’t grow. [6]

    4. Derails Brain Function

    Just as the Danish high schoolers noticed problems with concentration, scientists have begun to look at the impact of 4G radiation on brain function. Using MRI technology, research performed just last year found that persons exposed to 4G radiation had several areas of reduced brain activity. [7]

    5. Reduces Brain Activity in Females

    A group of 30 healthy volunteers, 15 men and 15 women, were given a simple memory test. First, the entire group was tested without any exposure to Wi-Fi radiation — no problem. Then, they were exposed to 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi from a wireless access point for about 45 minutes. During that portion of the testing, brain activity was measured and the women had a noticeable change in brain activity and energy levels. [8] Sorry ladies! But guys, don’t get too comfortable…

    6. Neutralizes Sperm

    …Because we’ve known for a long time that the heat generated by laptops kills sperm. Well, now it turns out that heat isn’t the only threat to a man’s virility. Research has found exposure to Wi-Fi frequencies reduce sperm movement and cause DNA fragmentation. [9] Both human and animal testing has confirmed that exposure negatively affects sperm. [10] [11]

    7. May Impact Fertility

    And, it’s not just sperm. The results of an animal study suggest that some wireless frequencies may prevent egg implantation. During the study, mice exposed 2 hours a day for 45 days had significantly increased oxidative stress levels. The cellular damage and impact on DNA structure from exposure suggest a strong possibility of abnormal pregnancy or failure of the egg to implant. [12]

    The Karolinska Institute in Sweden released a warning in 2011, stating:
    •“Pregnant women are cautioned to avoid using wireless devices themselves and distance themselves from other users,”
    •“Current US [and Canada]…standards for radio frequency and microwave radiation from wireless technology are entirely inadequate,” and
    •“Safety standards also ignore the developing fetus…” [13]

    8. Provokes Cardiac Stress






    If you think your heart races when surrounded by wireless networks or 3G or LTE cell phones, it may not be in your head. A study involving 69 subjects reported that many of them experienced a real physical response to electromagnetic frequencies. Exactly what was the physical response? Increased heart rate — similar to the heart rate of an individual under stress. [14]

    9. Linked to Cancer?

    This is extremely controversial but we can’t ignore that plenty of animal models indicate that exposure to electromagnetic radiation increases the risk of tumor development. While human studies are rare, reports and case studies abound. One such case involves a young 21-year-old woman who developed breast cancer. What makes this case unique was that her family did not have a predisposition to breast cancer… and she developed the tumor right on the spot she carried her cell phone in her bra. [15]

    10. You Can Protect Yourself

    Although mainstream outlets may ignore the proven dangers, especially in the US and Canada, researchers have identified several methods that can offer a level of defense. First off, reduced melatonin seems to correspond with exposure. Thus, increasing melatonin through supplementation may help offset some of the effects. [16] [17] [18] In animal tests, L-Carnitine provides antioxidant support for nutrients negatively affected by 2.4 GHz radiation. [19] [20]

    Limiting Exposure and Staying Healthy

    Although melatonin and L-Carnitine offer a nutritional defense, they don’t block exposure. And that’s very hard to accomplish anyway. Look at coverage maps from cell phone companies, or notice how many Wi-Fi networks your smart phone prompts for you to join. We’re surrounded and bombarded by electromagnetic radiation. Blocking exposure is difficult but there are a few small steps you can take. For one, do not keep cell phones, laptops, and tablets close to your body. And if it’s not being used, shut them off (your wireless router too). There are also a number of devices available to counteract electromagnetic frequencies. Check out these ways to protect yourself from laptop radiation and cell phone radiation, too.

    Have you experienced negative side effects of Wi-Fi? What measures have you taken to protect yourself and your family? Please leave a comment below and share your experience with us!


    References:
    1.Fields, R. Douglas. Mind Control by Cell Phone. May 7, 2008. (last accessed 2014-04-01)
    2.Hung CS, Anderson C, Horne JA, McEvoy P. Mobile phone ‘talk-mode’ signal delays EEG-determined sleep onset. Neurosci Lett. 2007 Jun 21;421(1):82-6. Epub 2007 May 24.
    3.Cunnington D, Junge MF, Fernando AT. Insomnia: prevalence, consequences and effective treatment. Med J Aust. 2013 Oct 21;199(8):S36-40.
    4.Pyrpasopoulou A, Kotoula V, Cheva A, Hytiroglou P, Nikolakaki E, Magras IN, Xenos TD, Tsiboukis TD, Karkavelas G. Bone morphogenetic protein expression in newborn rat kidneys after prenatal exposure to radiofrequency radiation. Bioelectromagnetics. 2004 Apr;25(3):216-27.
    5.AUVA REPORT: Nonthermal Effects Confirmed; Exposure Limits Challenged; Precaution Demanded. Edition July 21, 2009. (last accessed 2014-04-01)
    6.Bohn, Mathias. Student Science Experiment Finds Plants Won’t Grow Near Wi-fi Router. (last accessed 2014-04-01)
    7.Lv B, Chen Z, Wu T, Shao Q, Yan D, Ma L, Lu K, Xie Y. The alteration of spontaneous low frequency oscillations caused by acute electromagnetic fields exposure. Clin Neurophysiol. 2013 Sep 4. pii: S1388-2457(13)00976-0. doi: 10.1016/j.clinph.2013.07.018.
    8.Maganioti A. E. et al., 2010. Wi-Fi electromagnetic fields exert gender related alterations on EEG. 6th International Workshop on Biological Effects of Electromagnetic fields. (last accessed 2014-04-01)
    9.Avendańo C. et al. Use of laptop computers connected to internet through Wi-Fi decreases human sperm motility and increases sperm DNA fragmentation. Fertility and Sterility 97(1): 39-45.
    10.Atasoy H.I. et al. Immunohistopathologic demonstration of deleterious effects on growing rat testes of radiofrequency waves emitted from conventional Wi-Fi devices. Journal of Pediatric Urology 9(2): 223-229.
    11.Kesari KK, Behari J. Microwave exposure affecting reproductive system in male rats. Appl Biochem Biotechnol. 2010 Sep;162(2):416-28. doi: 10.1007/s12010-009-8722-9. Epub 2009 Sep 19.
    12.Shahin S, Singh VP, Shukla RK, Dhawan A, Gangwar RK, Singh SP, Chaturvedi CM. 2.45 GHz microwave irradiation-induced oxidative stress affects implantation or pregnancy in mice, Mus musculus. Appl Biochem Biotechnol. 2013 Mar;169(5):1727-51. doi: 10.1007/s12010-012-0079-9. Epub 2013 Jan 22.
    13.Karolinska Institute Department of Neuroscience, Stockholm, Sweden. LATEST WARNING: Wi-Fi Dangerous to Children and Pregnant Women – Must Read! February 3, 2011. (last accessed 2014-04-01)
    14.Havas M. and Marrongelle J. Replication of heart rate variability provocation study with 2.45GHz cordless phone confirms original findings. Electromagn Biol Med 32(2): 253-266.
    15.KTVU.com. Doctors warn of breast-cancer link to keeping cell phone in bra. Posted November 13, 2012. (last accessed 2014-04-01)
    16.Aynali G. et al., Modulation of wireless (2.45 GHz)-induced oxidative toxicity in laryngotracheal mucosa of rat by melatonin. Eur Arch Otorhinolaryngol 270(5): 1695-1700.
    17.Nazrolu M. et al. Melatonin modulates wireless (2.45 GHz)-induced oxidative injury through TRPM2 and voltage gated Ca(2+) channels in brain and dorsal root ganglion in rat. Physiol Behav. 105(3): 683-92.
    18.Oksay T. et al. Protective effects of melatonin against oxidative injury in rat testis induced by wireless (2.45 GHz) devices. Andrologia doi: 10.1111/and.12044.
    19.Gumral N. et al. Effects of selenium and L-carnitine on oxidative stress in blood of rat induced by 2.45-GHz radiation from wireless devices. Biol Trace Elem Res. 132(1-3): 153-163.
    20.Nazirolu M. and Gumral. Modulator effects of L-carnitine and selenium on wireless devices (2.45 GHz)-induced oxidative stress and electroencephalography records in brain of rat. Int J Radiat Biol. 85(8): 680-689.



    http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/n...-dangers-wifi/
    Last edited by 3(C)+me; 7th April 2016 at 20:34.

  36. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to 3(C)+me For This Post:

    BMJ (31st October 2017), drneglector (8th April 2016), Ewan (9th April 2016), hohoemi (8th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016)

  37. Link to Post #19
    United States On Sabbatical
    Join Date
    30th June 2011
    Location
    The Seat of Corruption
    Age
    44
    Posts
    9,177
    Thanks
    25,610
    Thanked 53,659 times in 8,694 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    Quote Posted by Mike (here)

    Actually, sunlight is quite healthy as long as youre getting your healthy fats...but I digress.
    that was my failed attempt at irony

    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    I'm 100% confident that your statement that 99.999999999.....% of people arent affected negatively by wifi is incorrect. I don't say that to engender some flip response from you, I say it because besides myself, I know 3 other freaks of probablity that are indeed affected negatively by wifi. Imagine the odds? I listed just a couple of my symptoms above. There are many more.
    well technically 99.99999% still allows for 700 probabilistic freaks (based on 7 billion)

    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    But wifi can be detrimental to health, without a doubt. I know firsthand. Of course there are various factors, such as location, frequency of use etc..
    I understand your anecdotal response, but that by no means means that your statement applies to anyone else.

    There are two possibilities here:

    1) your a probabilistic fluke that shares some resonance relationship with the frequency being output by your phone (though this is highly unlikely)

    2) your problem is psychosomatic (which is a common thing).

    Quote Posted by cccme (here)
    You really need to do some due diligence and read the research coming out of Europe about the a adverse effects of Wi-Fi.
    I've spent hundreds of hours studying radiation, to include a trip to an abandoned uranium mine & purchasing my own uranium ore jewlery; I have a pretty solid grasp of radiation (I was studying the kinds that can cause serious issues with DNA health)... I will go through your large wall of text and look at the "studies" but I've read quite a few before and their method was anything but empirical or scientific, the ones you included maybe different. I doubt it however.

    I own a giger counter.

    I've done personal experiments with alpha, beta and gama radiation (to include penetration testing on various materials).. it was interesting to me at the time.

    What was that about due diligence again? you read some articles and now because of what they say you feel an expert on this matter? I've worked in IT since before WIFI existed & very intimately know it's "ins and outs".
    (side note: congrats! it's not often I get to have an ego response.. I guess I have some inadequacy feelings to deal with re: my work)


    But then, I research as a hobby, not somehting everyone is interested in.
    Last edited by TargeT; 7th April 2016 at 21:09.
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
    Where are you?

  38. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to TargeT For This Post:

    Ewan (9th April 2016), hohoemi (8th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016), Nick Matkin (8th April 2016), zebowho (31st October 2017)

  39. Link to Post #20
    Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    7th April 2010
    Location
    The new world
    Posts
    708
    Thanks
    3,045
    Thanked 3,127 times in 560 posts

    Default Re: Wi-Fi

    There are over 2,000 studies about the adverse effects of Wi-Fi
    You got some reading to do.
    Pleasure reading for a sunday afternoon next to your router.
    Last edited by 3(C)+me; 7th April 2016 at 21:18.

  40. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to 3(C)+me For This Post:

    drneglector (8th April 2016), Michelle Marie (31st October 2017), Mike (7th April 2016)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 4 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts