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    Open your eyes and you will see, open your heart and your will feel.

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    I was thinking how it is of interest to take note of the companies who have severed their ties with JA over the past week or so.

    I've never liked using paypal, avoid it where I possibly can
    In my own small way I will boycott amazon ..darn! bought a book there last week...but will search for alternative next time


    Use cash whenever possible instead of credit cards........................avoid paypal, amazon and e-bay if you want to express your views with your wallet. It is all about withdrawiing consent from the current paradigm - they feed off our money and energy. Why just turn it over to them?

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    Hey Avalononeans, this is probably a repetition of fifi's post, but there may be some extra info on the arrest of Julian Assange here. I just received it in my mailbox and decide to post it anyway.
    Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/07
    Julian Assange Arrested: WikiLeaks Founder Taken Into Custody In London On Swedish Warrant

    CASSANDRA VINOGRAD and RAPHAEL G. SATTER | 12/ 7/10 11:59 AM | AP
    Julian Assange has been arrested in London. The WikiLeaks founder had a Swedish warrant.

    LONDON — A British judge sent Julian Assange to jail on Tuesday, denying bail to the WikiLeaks founder who vowed to fight efforts to extradite him to Sweden in a sex-crimes investigation.
    A WikiLeaks spokesman said the flow of secret U.S. diplomatic cables would not be affected by Assange's legal troubles, nor by the group's increasingly rocky finances as both Visa and MasterCard cut off key funding methods. "This will not change our operation," Kristinn Hrafnsson told The Associated Press. As if to underline the point, WikiLeaks released a dozen new diplomatic cables, its first publication in more than 24 hours, including the details of a NATO defense plan for Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania that prompted an indignant response from the Russian envoy to the alliance.

    Assange turned himself in to Scotland Yard on Tuesday morning, and was sent to the City of Westminster Magistrates' Court in the early afternoon. He showed no reaction as Judge Howard Riddle denied him bail and sent him to jail until his next extradition hearing on Dec. 14.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, visiting with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and U.S. troops in Afghanistan, was pleased that Assange was behind bars.
    "That sounds like good news to me," he said Tuesday. Assange faces rape and sexual molestation allegations in one Swedish case and sexual molestation and unlawful coercion in another. He denies the allegations, which he and his lawyers claim stem from a "dispute over consensual but unprotected sex" dating back to August. Riddle asked the 39-year-old Australian whether he understood that he could consent to be extradited to Sweden. Assange, dressed in a navy blue suit, cleared his throat and said: "I understand that and I do not consent."

    Fighting the extradition request could be difficult. Experts say that European arrest warrants like the one issued by Sweden can be tough to beat, barring mental or physical incapacity. Even if the warrant were defeated on a technicality, Sweden could simply issue a new one. Swedish lawyer Bjorn Hurtig said it was difficult to say how long the extradition process in Britain would take – anywhere from a week to two months. He said if Assange is extradited to Sweden, he won't be kept in detention after he's been questioned, "because it's been for the sake of the questioning that he's been detained."

    WikiLeaks, meanwhile, came under increasing financial pressure Tuesday as it became increasingly difficult to collect the individual donations that fund most of the operations of the loosely knit group of activists. Visa Inc. said it would "suspend Visa payment acceptance on WikiLeaks' website pending further investigation into the nature of its business and whether it contravenes Visa operating rules." MasterCard said it would suspend payments "until the situation is resolved."

    PayPal Inc., a popular online payment service, has already cut its links to the website, while Swiss authorities closed Assange's new Swiss bank account on Monday, freezing tens of thousands of euros, according to his lawyers. WikiLeaks is still soliciting donations through bank transfers to affiliates in Iceland and Germany, as well as by mail to an address at University of Melbourne in Australia. Beginning in July, WikiLeaks angered the U.S. government by releasing tens of thousands of secret U.S. military documents on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Last week, it began a rolling release of what WikiLeaks says are a quarter-million cables from U.S. diplomatic posts around the world. The group provided those documents to five major newspapers, which have been working with WikiLeaks to edit the cables for publication, and has been sharing subsets of the cache with other publications in recent days.

    The U.S. government has launched a criminal investigation, saying the group has jeopardized U.S. national security and diplomatic efforts around the world. As WikiLeaks has come under legal, financial and technological attack, an online army of supporters has come to its aid, sending donations, fighting off computer attacks and setting up over 500 mirror sites around the world to make sure that the secret documents are published regardless of what happens to the organization. Hrafnsson, the WikiLeaks spokesman, said the group had no plans yet to carry through on its threat to release the key to a heavily encrypted version of some of the most sensitive U.S. diplomatic cables – an "insurance" file that has been distributed to supporters and news media in case of an emergency.

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    One can't help but wonder where Wikileaks drew the line for releasing the key to its insurance policy. Now J.A. has been arrested. Financial pipeline choked. Website under continuous cyber attack. Where is the line in the sand?

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    Ah a trumped up charge involving sex,im surprised they didnt call him a pedophile,i guess even TPTB know they cant stretch the gullibility of the public too far.
    I like both Zook and Jacks views,can i agree with both? I do though think the worm has turned for TPTB so i can see everything they attempt to do will result in them shooting themselves in the foot from here on in.Instant Karma anyone?

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    Hey Avaloneans, thanks for being awake in high spirits on this subject, this is the recent update by the Huffington Post
    www.huffingtonpost.com Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

    The Daily Brief:
    WikiLeaks: The Three Faces of Uncle Sam
    Michael Brenner
    Senior Fellow, the Center for Transatlantic Relations
    Posted: December 7, 2010 10:31 AM

    Know thy Enemy is the famed dictum of the renown Chinese military thinker Sun Tzu. He took for granted something even more crucial: know thyself. Yet, Americans routinely ignore that latter counsel -- at our growing peril. That uncomfortable truth becomes abundantly clear when immersing oneself in the dense cable traffic revealed to us by Wikileaks. Their exposure of the mindset and outlook of the country's policy-makers and diplomats is more telling than any of the details. For it reveals who we are, who we think we are, and how that self conception is out of line with both world realities and others' perception of us.

    Most striking is the unstated but pervasive belief that the United States is wiser, more skillful and dedicated than anybody else. Therefore, it is natural that America rules the roost. Our serial failures of judgment and action, at home as well as abroad, have left not a trace of modesty on our conduct. That hubris has a number of practical meanings: One is the conviction that Washington should set the policy direction for allies and friends, jerk them back into line when they show a tendency to stray or are unresponsive to American leads, and cultivate a corps of informers and helpmates from among the native elites. Access to antechambers of imperial power and favors magisterially bestowed are the coin in which they are paid. Examples of successful efforts by the United States to maintain order in the ranks include: the incessant pressure to expand troop commitments in Afghanistan; cajoling that borders on coercion to accept Guantanamo alumni whom we've abused for eight years only to be faced with the dilemma of where to safely dispose of these unwanted innocent nobodies; demands that the SWIFT banking clearinghouse hand over legally protected private data; and insistence on the right to overfly and using airport facilities on the sovereign territories of other nations whenever the U.S. deems it necessary as part of some dark mission or other. Washington does not accept 'no' as an answer whether it is made on strategic, ethical or domestic political grounds. The last is the object of frequent disparaging remarks dutifully dispatched to apolitical and guileless superiors back in Washington.

    A second manifestation is the disparagement of anyone else's opinion. In the hundred or so cables and excerpts that I've looked at, I have yet to find one instance of a visiting Assistant or Under Secretary of State or resident Ambassador seeking out interpretations or assessments of situations -- much less encouraging their interlocutors to offer policy advice. The sole aim of these meetings seemingly is to test their foreign counterparts' fidelity to the Washington line and to sniff out any dangerous deviations. The outstanding case in point is Turkey from which emanated literally hundreds of cables on the theme that the Erdogan government was showing increasing signs of unreliability and independence (almost synonymous) on matters ranging from Iran to Iraq to Central Asia. The sophisticated, well developed Turkish perspective on the region's intersecting problems was dismissed out of hand as of little interest, despite the country's half millennium domination of, and affinity with the neighborhood they inhabit. And despite our own woeful record there.

    Another cardinal feature of the prevailing American attitude, about which we exhibit no self awareness, is the reflex to divide foreigners into the two categories of "pro-American" or "anti-American." This Manichean carry-over from the Cold war days has been given new life by the obsession with the 'war on terror' which overshadows all else just the way the life-and-death struggle against Godless Communism did in the old days. So Mr. Nicholas Sarkozy, while still a minister under Jacques Chirac, is identified as a very eager would-be friend of the United States who could be counted on to shed Gallic ant-American attitudes. His purring around the Americans' ankles is rewarded, and encouraged, with stroking and a tickling of his ears. Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, instinctively 'pro-American,' nonetheless is a bit of an irritant because she has the distressing habit of thinking for herself, if only occasionally, on matters like the propriety of the American kidnapping and torture of a German citizen. She also is not assertive enough in instructing her voters why today's historic challenge to FREEDOM comes from Taliban mullahs and their Pashtun peasant followers. Equally vexing was her lack of enthusiasm for the Missile Shield whose military utility was as obscure to her as is its potential to estrange Russia was evident. Hence, Ms Merkel was temporarily located in limbo according to the two cell political map of American strategists.

    The aforementioned Mr. Erdogan is repeatedly labeled as a candidate to join the 'anti-American category.' His most grievous sin is the cultivation of commercial and political ties with Tehran. This reprehensible behavior is ascribed to the propensities of the Islamic AKP party which he leads as well as the worrisome fact that he is himself is a believing, practicing Muslim. His religious orientation is more troubling that that of the Saudis et al for two reasons: the former have proven themselves loyal pro-Americans, and Erdogan personifies backsliding from the secular, pro-American elites with whom Washington was accustomed to doing business. There is no self consciousness that America's own leading politicians all seem to 'find Christ' on the eve of the Iowa caucuses and make a show of having a personal communication channel to their Christian Deity. Perhaps even more troubling is what this view of Erdogan says about Washington's ignorance of elementary truths of Turkish domestic politics. For the AKP, the fundamentalist Iranian regime was a distinct electoral liability since it gave a bad name to the mixing of politics and Islam and perpetuated voters' fears about a political party uninhibited about affirming Turkey's predominantly Muslim identity. Religion has been a repellent factor not a magnetic one in the current government's approach to Iran. Whether such ignorance is offset by the acquired knowledge of Erdogan's DNA profile or Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu's E-bay password remains to be seen.

    A third feature of the American mindset is set in stark relief by the Wikileak cables. It is the identity in our officials' minds of the American national interest with the world's interest. In instance after instance, they declare the cavalier premise that Washington's foreign policy serves the well-being of the international community. Indeed, any other worldview that does not accept this premise is illegitimate -- selfish and dangerous, too. That applies not only to hostile governments like that of Iran, or independent minded countries like Russia. It applies as well to putative partners like the Pakistanis. Our officials are unrelenting in insisting that they have a better sense of what is in Pakistan's interests than do General Kayani and members of the political elite less deferential than the indebted President Zakari. Here is an instance where an uncommonly astute Ambassador, Ann Patterson, writes cogent analyses explaining why the surmise conceit is dead wrong. Indeed, she makes the compelling case that our own self defined goals are less likely to be realized following the current course of Washington's polices in AfPak than if we adjusted them in accordance with Kayani's reading of political realities in his country. Ms Patterson somehow has escaped being placed in the 'anti-American' category -- as far as we know.

    There is another singular feature of how the United States sees itself that takes shape as we read these cables. It is the extraordinary sense of entitlement. An entitlement endowed by 9/11. It hallows all those other characteristic American traits with a robe of righteousness. Our unique virtue, our superior wisdom, our mission to save the world, our right to judge and to proclaim, our authority to set new rules or to break old ones -- all is rendered true and just by the calamity that we have endured. America feels that it has found in 9/11 a diplomatic ace that wittingly or not matches the Israelis' use of the Holocaust. It is not at all clear, though, that it serves us well.

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    Quote Posted by Bea (here)
    I was thinking how it is of interest to take note of the companies who have severed their ties with JA over the past week or so.

    I've never liked using paypal, avoid it where I possibly can
    In my own small way I will boycott amazon ..darn! bought a book there last week...but will search for alternative next time


    Yesterday we reported that the Swiss bank PostFinance froze WikiLeaks account which held 31,000 euros for Julian Assange's defense fund.

    A few hours later the bank's website crashed as a result of an attack by hackers that go by the name of Anon_Operation on Twitter.

    They have been running "Operation: Payback" which they say is an ongoing campaign by [them] against major anti-piracy groups.

    The cyber war is now definitely on as PostFinance is back up an running but the hackers' site The AnonOps.net is currently down due to heavy DDoS attacks.

    The hackers are also targeting MasterCard and PayPal - both companies have severed their ties with WikiLeaks and frozen their assets.

    more here:


    http://current.com/news/92849432_hac...tm?xid=RSSfeed
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    Quote Posted by Sabrina (here)
    Yesterday we reported that the Swiss bank PostFinance froze WikiLeaks account which held 31,000 euros for Julian Assange's defense fund.

    A few hours later the bank's website crashed as a result of an attack by hackers that go by the name of Anon_Operation on Twitter.

    They have been running "Operation: Payback" which they say is an ongoing campaign by [them] against major anti-piracy groups.

    The cyber war is now definitely on as PostFinance is back up an running but the hackers' site The AnonOps.net is currently down due to heavy DDoS attacks.

    The hackers are also targeting MasterCard and PayPal - both companies have severed their ties with WikiLeaks and frozen their assets.

    more here:


    http://current.com/news/92849432_hac...tm?xid=RSSfeed

    Interesting.It appears that the establishment has upset and motivated the hacking community into action.

    Reminds me of the movie The Matrix where the good guys hacked into the matrix to fight against the machines(ptb)

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    Hi Jacks,

    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    Hi Zook,
    This time I respectfully disagree with your view on Assange.
    No, no ... I must insist ... it is I who must respectfully disagree with your view on Assange.

    Before I proceed, let me get one last joke outta the way.


    Jacks' thread: ________ Assange: "Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths!"
    Zook's rebuttal: _______________________________Can we shoot him for revealing comfortable truths, then?


    Quote I find it a little hard to believe that a Home Schooled kid brought up in Byron Bay Qld Australia whose parents taught him to never trust Authority or Govt. would be a PTB/CIA Asset. (Byron Bay is a very Laid back Town full of Anti-Govt. Free Thinkers and that is one of the main reasons people want to live there).

    Every man and his dog has their own view on Assange, even Webster Griffin Tarpley thinks he has connections to the CIA, but for me I'm not buying it for one second.
    Whatever you may think of Tarpley and his old Lyndon Larouche association:

    http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larou...er-tarpley.htm

    ***********************************beginExcerpt****************************
    Webster Tarpley to "N," December 2, 2009
    My association with organizations in which LaRouche was prominent ended in 1997. Since then I have been attacked in public by him and his remaining supporters several times. Since 1997, I have had no relation whatsoever to LaRouche.
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    ... there is little doubt that the man is highly cogent in discussing many of the important topics of today. He also has a remarkable feel for the pulse of the realpolitik. Incredible researcher as well.

    Quote Maybe I am wrong, but we shall have to wait and see? I have followed this story for some time and have been studying the body language and reactions of the likes of Australian PM Julia Gillard and Attorney General Robert McClelland especially the Australian Traitor Kevin Rudd! All have been suprised by the developments and are generally concerned/worried of what Dirt is still to come. If anyone in Australian knew if Assange was a CIA Asset it would be UN Globalist Kevin Rudd and he's ****#ing himself because he knows he's got alot of explaining to do when Wikileaks publishes the Bulk of the Dirt on Australia at the end of next month! It could very well bring down the Govt!
    The lie is different at every level - Richard Hoagland. Translated here: what makes you think that Rudd would have known (e.g. if Assange had CIA connections)? Seems like a quantum leap of faith.


    Quote What's more is the Fact, in Australia at least the leaks have finally started to Wake Up the Sheeple to the Lies & Deciept of what their Govt. is engaged in. Go onto any Wikileaks/Assange article in an Australian Newspaper and see the comments for yourself.
    I don't respect mainstream newsprint rags (or their public opinion pages) ... they are nothing more than controlled streams of info/disinfo/misinfo. Their ability to report truth had long ago been compromised by monopoly and big money, and usually with monopoly money (e.g. the spoils of the fiat stock game). Mine is an informed disrespect, if you will. I'm surprised you still use the newspapers for anything other than weather and sports, and what's playing at the local Miramax.

    Quote One thing Australians hate most are Liers! Especially when they have been caught Red Handed!
    The Truth is starting to surface and Wikileaks has done a Hell of alot more Good than Harm and seems to have united the Left & Right paridigms that have been at loggerheards with one another over their political views and is starting to bring them together against the Fabian Socialist Labor Govt. and any Lying politician who has been caught out. (To me that's another Good thing).
    If that was actually true, it would be a good thing. But catching one or two measly politicians with their mikes turned on and their mouths going off, is not a good trade off if all the rest is deception. In any event, Jacks, I see no evidence that the Left and Right paradigm have united in any meaningful way. To wit, the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

    Quote Regardless of what ultimately transpires the Truth is getting out there and more and more people are asking questions about the Lies & Deciept of the PTB. I personally think you are giving the TMastardsTB way too much credit Zook, they can't win all the time.
    I understand your frustration mate, Peace be with you and keep up the Good Work.
    Jack
    Thanks, Jacks. And likewise. Overall, you are doing good work, yourself, here on Avalon. We just happen to see the truth through irreconcilable lens on this particular matter. One of us is definitely not using the needed filters; we'll have to let time judge which one. Truth will out. Peace.

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    They've put him in solitary. For what reason? Of course he has no computer access, that's a given. Why solitary?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz17kCsrFuU
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    maybe because nothing of importance has been released by the PTB press...

    why let him talk to inmates about the important things he wants the world to know?

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    Quote Posted by Snowbird (here)
    They've put him in solitary. For what reason? Of course he has no computer access, that's a given. Why solitary?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz17kCsrFuU
    One would assume that so he doesn't fall prey to an "inside hit" - for his own protection.

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