Transgenderism: Is it Mental Illness?

[petra]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)

Posted by petra (here)
If we did indeed 'start out' (spiritually) with no gender, 'going back' to not having genders would seem to be the logical conclusion.

Our spirits also don't have physical bodies, so according to this logic, the logical conclusion would be actively getting rid of our physical bodies, perhaps through suicide. And coincidentally, transgenders have a 42-46% suicide attempt rate.

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National average is 4.6%, and these people are attempting suicide at nearly 10 times that rate. They have mental illnesses and aren't getting the proper treatment. I don't want to hear anything about bullying, either, because as much trouble as black people put up with in the US, including outright slavery, they never had such outrageous suicide attempt rates, and I'm not sure who would even try to equate any form of bullying with the psychological oppression of slavery.

Some Jim Jones cult members were probably crying with happiness too, as they committed mass suicide. All of this stuff is feelings based and not based on any kind of rational thinking at all. It's been part of an ongoing social programming agenda for decades now, going all the way back at least to Weimar Germany, where the first transgender stuff was pushed by the German Communist Party.

If this is really "natural" and the logical conclusion to anything, then why don't we also start giving gender reassignment surgery to animals? All someone has to do is figure out what gender an animal "feels like." If toddlers these days are being treated like transgenders before they're old enough to even know what sex is, then why not animals too?

Killing yourself obviously isn't logical either! I see transgenderism more like a side effect of spiritual evolution, and I sincerely hope that's not offensive to anyone. I think it's natural, considering the circumstances. I reserve the right to be wrong of course, I just get the impression that spirits can evolve too (and de-volve). I never used to believe in de-evolution before either, but now I do. It's not just the world that's making me think so either - I can feel myself getting stupider sometimes, especially when I watch TV....

I'm sorry I wasn't able to get my point across properly. I'm just getting sick and tired of "genders", and it's a personal thing. I don't see gender when I look at people any more, and I barely even notice what they look like.

EDIT: Bisexuality is confusing. I can understand gay, lesbian, even asexuality. I guess I kind of admire bisexuality, seems very non judgemental. I'm more "asexual", so to me it's mostly all a big mystery.

[Didgevillage]

Transgenderism has existed in many cultures and religions, i.e. it's hard to tell whether some deities (angels) are male or female.
People can believe in whatever they choose, and no harm done.

Nonetheless, today's transgenderism is different. It follows a definite agenda: the New World Order.
I look at who is promoting today's transgenderism and draw my own conclusions.

[XelNaga]

Dear Avalon friends,

I have to apologise in advance to all who I'm going to offend right now, as that is not my intention.

But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.

Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.

Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?

PS: if this post is seen as "hate-speech", than please, remove it kind moderators..

[DNA]

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Dear Avalon friends,

I have to apologise in advance to all who I'm going to offend right now, as that is not my intention.

But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.

Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.

Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?

PS: if this post is seen as "hate-speech", than please, remove it kind moderators..

Ten years after getting gender reassignment folks are twenty times more likely to commit suicide than their peers. How is this a good idea?

How is it a good idea undergoing a drastic procedure that sucks so bad you become twenty times more likely to commit suicide after having completed it?

[XelNaga]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Dear Avalon friends,

I have to apologise in advance to all who I'm going to offend right now, as that is not my intention.

But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.

Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.

Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?

PS: if this post is seen as "hate-speech", than please, remove it kind moderators..

Ten years after getting gender reassignment folks are twenty times more likely to commit suicide than their peers. How is this a good idea?

How is it a good idea undergoing a drastic procedure that sucks so bad you become twenty times more likely to commit suicide after having completed it?

It is a really, really bad idea.

There is probably a very good reason why we are born the way we are born. I mean, the Universe, or our Higher Self, aren't stupid.

[DNA]

Posted by XelNaga (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Dear Avalon friends,

I have to apologise in advance to all who I'm going to offend right now, as that is not my intention.

But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.

Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.

Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?

PS: if this post is seen as "hate-speech", than please, remove it kind moderators..

Ten years after getting gender reassignment folks are twenty times more likely to commit suicide than their peers. How is this a good idea?

How is it a good idea undergoing a drastic procedure that sucks so bad you become twenty times more likely to commit suicide after having completed it?

It is a really, really bad idea.

There is probably a very good reason why we are born the way we are born. I mean, the Universe, or our Higher Self, aren't stupid.

I'll give my personal opinion on this and it really is just my personal opinion. I've always felt that folks who are born one gender and say they don't feel comfortable in that gender and identify as another gender are folks who have been incarnating as one and the same sex out of some kind of comfort zone thing and at some point their Higher Self is like "dude, it's time to learn things through the other sex" and as such they agree to be born a sex they are not comfortable with in an attempt to learn but they bristle and fight it once they engage in the incarnation opposite what they are used to.

What's wrong with gender fluidity? I'm a dude and I enjoy being a dude, but if I were to be born a woman I would have enjoyed the hell out of that as well.

As a soul I'm a firm believer that we incarnate as both sexes to learn the lessons we were intended to learn.

I suppose if you do not believe in reincarnation then this post is a lot about nothing.

[onawah]

Boosting my own post from earlier in the thread, since it contains what I think is the simplest and most logical explanation of the cause of transgender problems, and it's really not that mysterious.

Posted by onawah (here)
I attended some classes in the Bay Area years ago that were given by a group of psychics.
Among the subjects that came up were reincarnation, androgeny and homosexuality.
It was generally agreed upon by the psychics (and it seems very likely true to me) that as androgynous souls who have come here (whether willingly or not) we must experience this reality on Earth (though it may be different elsewhere) as both genders, through a series of many incarnations.
But many souls may have a preference for one gender or the other, and so they will choose to incarnate as their chosen gender again and again until the time comes inevitably, when their Higher Self steps in and sees to it that the soul begins to incarnate as their least favorite gender, uncomfortable as that may be.
This can seem like an unnatural ordeal to some, and the changeover may take many lifetimes to achieve successfully, before the soul adjusts, physically, mentally and emotionally.
Electing to go so far as to have transgender surgery is a manifestation of resistance to a kind of natural law, as OMG said, yet it is certainly permissible karmically.
It is, if nothing else, a sign that that soul is simply not yet willing to take on the characteristics of the unfavorite gender, but it will be a learning experience, in any case.
Things are no doubt less complicated on worlds where the androgynous nature of the soul is more accepted.
But part of 3D experiencing is very much about duality, and that can certainly create a lot of complications.
Though we can also look at it as an interesting experience, of course!

[XelNaga]

I agree with you DNA and Onawah, to me it also sounds as the most logical explanation.

Getting out of your "comfort-zone" can be a bit hard

[frankstien]

Confusion over sexuality has been primarily caused by sexual repression in society: government, religion, schools, and family

People are made to feel guilty about their sexual thoughts and feelings from a very early age, this causes the individual, both male and female, to try and hide their sexual feelings. To hide them the body and mind become involved to hold back the energy associated with sexuality. This causes an armoring of the mind and body preventing natural sexuality from developing in the individual, leading to chronic health problems and neurosis.

The Trobriand Islanders had a matriarchal sexually open society--they had no crime, perversion, or neurosis.
Anthropologist Dr. Bronislaw Malinowski, did a study on their way of life and wrote an excellent book all about his discoveries called The Sexual Life of Savages, book available here--
https://archive.org/details/sexuallifeofsava00mali



Dr. Wilhelm Reich was the leader in exposing how sexual repression damages the individual and wrote many important books on this subject.
The Nazis went after him and he fled, eventually to America. Unfortunately the FDA went after him as well. Besides shaking the establishment's cage, he had found a natural way to reverse the effects of cancer. The FDA trumped up a way to put him in prison and burned his books in an incinerator in New York City. Reich died in prison.

These books are a great starting point for understanding his work and how it relates to this forum thread--
(The Theodore P. Wolfe translations are the best.)
1. The Function of The Orgasm
2. The Mass Psychology of Fascism




Copy available here: http://whale.to/b/reich.pdf

Short documentary on Wilhelm Reich "Man's Right To Know"

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNYmBDvSwOw

[Omni]

transexuality is a mental illness in my opinion.

[greybeard]

My feeling is.
Make the best of what your born with.
Cant see that surgery or any other way of changing your gender is going to bring lasting happiness.
However if that's a persons choice, then that's their decision.
Chris

[petra]

Posted by Omni (here)
transexuality is a mental illness in my opinion.

That kind of insinuates you can cure it. And I don't think so.

EDIT: I should probably also say though, I don't think they want to be "healed" or "cured", but then again I can't speak on behalf of transexuals, I don't know what they think like.

[Didgevillage]

Posted by XelNaga (here)
But think about this, for people who are not self-aware, or not self-aware enough, the worst insult is to tell them the truth. As it is said, the truth hurts the most.

Why should you apologize? You are not attacking anyone, even if there are some trangenders here.
How much truth can be told (without personal attacks, of course) determines the quality of any given platform.

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Whenever I see a discussion about gay/trans people, when someone mentions that those "conditions" are mental illness, all hell breaks loose.

It is not just the trans issue where "all hell breaks loose."

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Does it mean that that is the truth, maybe that is why everyone with that condition gets triggered instantly? Not wanting to accept the truth about that "condition"?

Absolute yes. It is called Pavlovian conditioning. And those thus conditioned don't even know that they have been conditioned to react that way (whether they are trans or not).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning