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    Default Assange: "Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths!"

    Read this...before judging Julian Assange...

    The TRUTH is the TRUTH!

    Written by Julian Assange for the: The Australian December 08, 2010 12:00AM

    WIKILEAKS deserves protection, not threats and attacks.

    IN 1958 a young Rupert Murdoch, then owner and editor of Adelaide's The News, wrote: "In the race between secrecy and truth, it seems inevitable that truth will always win."

    His observation perhaps reflected his father Keith Murdoch's expose that Australian troops were being needlessly sacrificed by incompetent British commanders on the shores of Gallipoli. The British tried to shut him up but Keith Murdoch would not be silenced and his efforts led to the termination of the disastrous Gallipoli campaign.

    Nearly a century later, WikiLeaks is also fearlessly publishing facts that need to be made public.

    I grew up in a Queensland country town where people spoke their minds bluntly. They distrusted big government as something that could be corrupted if not watched carefully. The dark days of corruption in the Queensland government before the Fitzgerald inquiry are testimony to what happens when the politicians gag the media from reporting the truth.

    These things have stayed with me. WikiLeaks was created around these core values. The idea, conceived in Australia, was to use internet technologies in new ways to report the truth.

    WikiLeaks coined a new type of journalism: scientific journalism. We work with other media outlets to bring people the news, but also to prove it is true. Scientific journalism allows you to read a news story, then to click online to see the original document it is based on. That way you can judge for yourself: Is the story true? Did the journalist report it accurately?

    Democratic societies need a strong media and WikiLeaks is part of that media. The media helps keep government honest. WikiLeaks has revealed some hard truths about the Iraq and Afghan wars, and broken stories about corporate corruption.

    People have said I am anti-war: for the record, I am not. Sometimes nations need to go to war, and there are just wars. But there is nothing more wrong than a government lying to its people about those wars, then asking these same citizens to put their lives and their taxes on the line for those lies. If a war is justified, then tell the truth and the people will decide whether to support it.

    If you have read any of the Afghan or Iraq war logs, any of the US embassy cables or any of the stories about the things WikiLeaks has reported, consider how important it is for all media to be able to report these things freely.

    WikiLeaks is not the only publisher of the US embassy cables. Other media outlets, including Britain's The Guardian, The New York Times, El Pais in Spain and Der Spiegel in Germany have published the same redacted cables.

    Yet it is WikiLeaks, as the co-ordinator of these other groups, that has copped the most vicious attacks and accusations from the US government and its acolytes. I have been accused of treason, even though I am an Australian, not a US, citizen. There have been dozens of serious calls in the US for me to be "taken out" by US special forces. Sarah Palin says I should be "hunted down like Osama bin Laden", a Republican bill sits before the US Senate seeking to have me declared a "transnational threat" and disposed of accordingly. An adviser to the Canadian Prime Minister's office has called on national television for me to be assassinated. An American blogger has called for my 20-year-old son, here in Australia, to be kidnapped and harmed for no other reason than to get at me.

    And Australians should observe with no pride the disgraceful pandering to these sentiments by Julia Gillard and her government. The powers of the Australian government appear to be fully at the disposal of the US as to whether to cancel my Australian passport, or to spy on or harass WikiLeaks supporters. The Australian Attorney-General is doing everything he can to help a US investigation clearly directed at framing Australian citizens and shipping them to the US.

    Prime Minister Gillard and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have not had a word of criticism for the other media organisations. That is because The Guardian, The New York Times and Der Spiegel are old and large, while WikiLeaks is as yet young and small.

    We are the underdogs. The Gillard government is trying to shoot the messenger because it doesn't want the truth revealed, including information about its own diplomatic and political dealings.

    Has there been any response from the Australian government to the numerous public threats of violence against me and other WikiLeaks personnel? One might have thought an Australian prime minister would be defending her citizens against such things, but there have only been wholly unsubstantiated claims of illegality. The Prime Minister and especially the Attorney-General are meant to carry out their duties with dignity and above the fray. Rest assured, these two mean to save their own skins. They will not.

    Every time WikiLeaks publishes the truth about abuses committed by US agencies, Australian politicians chant a provably false chorus with the State Department: "You'll risk lives! National security! You'll endanger troops!" Then they say there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can't be both. Which is it?

    It is neither. WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone is aware, has been harmed. But the US, with Australian government connivance, has killed thousands in the past few months alone.

    US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan. NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn't find a single person who needed protecting. The Australian Department of Defence said the same. No Australian troops or sources have been hurt by anything we have published.

    But our publications have been far from unimportant. The US diplomatic cables reveal some startling facts:

    ► The US asked its diplomats to steal personal human material and information from UN officials and human rights groups, including DNA, fingerprints, iris scans, credit card numbers, internet passwords and ID photos, in violation of international treaties. Presumably Australian UN diplomats may be targeted, too.

    ► King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia asked the US to attack Iran.

    ► Officials in Jordan and Bahrain want Iran's nuclear program stopped by any means available.

    ► Britain's Iraq inquiry was fixed to protect "US interests".

    ► Sweden is a covert member of NATO and US intelligence sharing is kept from parliament.

    ► The US is playing hardball to get other countries to take freed detainees from Guantanamo Bay. Barack Obama agreed to meet the Slovenian President only if Slovenia took a prisoner. Our Pacific neighbour Kiribati was offered millions of dollars to accept detainees.

    In its landmark ruling in the Pentagon Papers case, the US Supreme Court said "only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government". The swirling storm around WikiLeaks today reinforces the need to defend the right of all media to reveal the truth.

    Julian Assange is the editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-d...-1225967241332
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    Thank you very much for posting this. This guy deserves to be heard before people go and villify him or accuse him of being a patsy for one government or another. Personally, the guy strikes me as being 100% genuine... but I may be wrong.

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    Default Re: Assange: "Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths!"

    Quote Posted by jcocks (here)
    Thank you very much for posting this. This guy deserves to be heard before people go and villify him or accuse him of being a patsy for one government or another. Personally, the guy strikes me as being 100% genuine... but I may be wrong.
    Here are some of the 1st Comments by Australian Bloggers in response to this story on the Herald Sun Newspapers article...

    "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested by Scotland Yard police", an article directed at Australia's Unelected Prime Minister Julia Gillard and her Fabian Socialist Labor Govt.

    AUSTRALIAN of MELBOURNE Posted at 9:44 PM December 07, 2010
    ITS A CASE FRAMED AGAINST HIM LONG LIVE JULIAN.... u r the hero of mankind!

    Comment 1 of 19

    Brian of Fitzroy Posted at 9:45 PM December 07, 2010
    Arrested on a trumped up charge. Wikileaks equals transparency. Politicians promise transparency, but God help those who make politicians transparent.

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    Angela of Melbourne Posted at 9:51 PM December 07, 2010
    Hope your Happy Julia, come next election you and your Government will never and I repeat Never get in again for at least 20 years, broke there law did he, point it out to me. Let this be a lesson for all Australians if you dont fit there little image you will be left to hang in the wind.

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    Mick of Geelong Posted at 9:58 PM December 07, 2010
    Come on Joolia - Hit him with that limp lettuce leaf you threatened him with earlier. Oh, that's right, you changed your tune within a couple of hours of posturing and called him rooly rooly irresponsible (ouch!).

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    Patrick Rooney of Melbourne Posted at 10:02 PM December 07, 2010
    What a beatup! Hope he sues everyone with this FALSE alegations of rape

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    V for Vendetta of Thomastown Posted at 10:02 PM December 07, 2010
    Mr Assange has caused a number of Governments embarrassment and grief. Now they retaliate by fabricating lies to bring him into order. The press needs to investigate these claims and bring these Governments to account. Freedom for the people. Say no to the New World Order!

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    Paul of Neverland Posted at 10:10 PM December 07, 2010
    V for Vendetta and Brian of Fitzroy - you armchair experts know the victim do you? Let justice take its course you idiots.

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    Z of Melbourne Posted at 10:11 PM December 07, 2010
    OH nooo.....plss....He is a legend and a very intelligent man.

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    VICTORIA of VICTORIA Posted at 10:12 PM December 07, 2010
    Julian we are all with you. SHAME FOR US and SHAME FOR AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT

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    Glenn of Melbourne Posted at 10:15 PM December 07, 2010
    FREEDOM OF SPEECH - FREE JULIAN FROM THESE FALSE ALLEGATIONS

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    Ron of Melbourne Posted at 10:15 PM December 07, 2010
    FALSE claims made up by the governments to keep him quiet! Hope more information gets released on wiki leaks exposing how corrupt governments are.

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    Seeking Justice of Melbourne Posted at 10:16 PM December 07, 2010
    Talk about a witch-hunt

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    a bit of sense goes a long way of Victoria Posted at 11:02 PM December 07, 2010
    If you play with fire your are bound to get burned

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    DelhiKing Posted at 11:05 PM December 07, 2010
    Come on... fight to get him released the way you fight for Corby. Hang on, he is not a drug dealer, that means he will get no support from the govt.

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    raynsue of north queensland Posted at 11:06 PM December 07, 2010
    This just proves that Julia has no backbone, no conviction, no passion, nothing to set her apart from the many mindless and boring politicians & is being dictated to by the United States. Her time must surely be comming to an end. The only thing that saves her is the coalition are as hopeless as she is. Bring on Bob Brown & Andrew Wilkie!

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    David of Williamstown Posted at 11:08 PM December 07, 2010
    Smells of something, can't quite put my finger on it, oh, no, I just stood in it............... And Julia and Kevin have been speaking a lot of it.

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    we want truth of vic Posted at 11:11 PM December 07, 2010
    Free Assange!

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    Mark Posted at 11:16 PM December 07, 2010
    An Australian citizen is the target of a witch hunt while not breaking a single law and the only thing the Australian government does is twist the knife in deeper For shame Julia. For shame. You just lost my vote.

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    Chris of Melbourne Posted at 11:18 PM December 07, 2010
    Guess his so called Insurance Policy means nothing at Scotland Yard LOL

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    Looks to me like over 98% still believe in the Truth, Transparency & 'Freedom of Speech'!

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1225967235581

    "Even American scholar and activist Noam Chomsky has signed an open letter to Ms Gillard yesterday, urging her to make a "strong statement" in support of Mr Assange.

    The letter, signed by several lawyers, journalists and politicians, calls for Ms Gillard to confirm Australia's commitment to free political communication and uphold Mr Assange's basic rights."

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-d...-1225967281571

    Bogus Trumped Up Charges Exposed..!

    Quote: "Catlin observed that both Ardin and Sofia Wilén, the second accuser, sent SMS messages and tweets boasting of their conquests following the alleged "rapes."

    "In the case of Ardin it is clear that she has thrown a party in Assange's honour at her flat after the 'crime' and tweeted to her followers that she is with the 'the world’s coolest smartest people, it’s amazing!"

    "The exact content of Wilén’s mobile phone texts is not yet known but their bragging and exculpatory character has been confirmed by Swedish prosecutors. Niether Wilén’s nor Ardin’s texts complain of rape," Catlin said.

    One of the Accusers: Ardin has also published a seven step guide on how to get revenge on cheating boyfriends.

    Go figure..!

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/a...user-cia-ties/
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    It warms my heart to see such comments written by Australians in support of Assange... It's good to see we can still see beyond the bullcrap fed to us.

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    Oldest story in the world - females allowing themselves to be used by others to sexually entrap men and take them down

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    Quote Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
    Oldest story in the world - females allowing themselves to be used by others to sexually entrap men and take them down
    Oldest story in the book... WOMAN decides to believe the stories told to her by a MALE

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    Default Re: Assange: "Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths!"

    so I'm curious...

    in the Wikileak documents wasn't there some "royal dirt" being uncovered?

    is it treason in Australia to dis the Queen?

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    soverign beings can't commit treason against self proclaimed family lines

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    Quote Posted by Céline (here)
    Oldest story in the book... WOMAN decides to believe the stories told to her by a MALE
    What I was getting at Celine is that, sorry to say, sometimes women (of course so are men, but there are unique differences between the sexes!) are their own worst enemies. Because women have such power in the sexual arena, they are in a unique position to exert social influence which for some inexplicable reason, often they do not do. I am especially dismayed at the idea that two females (representative of the feminine goddess) could possibly be used as enemies of Truth in this particular case. Unless rape is genuinely the issue, women have the power to say "no" - and the woman can chose not to believe any lies whispered to her by anyone whoever they may be

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    i completly understand and agree on most levels..

    but..

    my point was ..

    female..is a term used for dogs/animals

    and..

    men...is a word used to describe a human gender.

    Call me picky...call me feminist but if you are going to point out these issues...may you please offer the same respect to both sexes

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    Celine I honestly didn't know that female is a term used for dogs and animals! I just happen to have my edition of the American Heritage Dictionary, 2nd. College Edition here: (page 496)

    Adj
    1.) of or pertaining to, or designating the sex that produces ova or bears young 2.)characteristic of or appropriate to the female sex; feminine 3.) consisting of members of the female sex - the rest of the definitions relate to plants and female reproductive organs

    Noun
    1.) a member of the sex that produces ova or bears young 2.) one that is female 3.) woman or girl as distinguished from a man or boy.

    Men (p. 784)

    Noun
    Plural of man

    Man (p. 760)

    1.) An adult male human being 2.) a human being regardless of sex or age 3.) the human race, mankind, 4.) the other meanings are more generic.

    Note on Usage: the use of man to mean a human being regardless of sex has a long usage but is now much less generally accepted. For many people its general use in the primary sense of "adult male human being" has made it no longer broad enough to serve as the superordinate term"


    I meant no disrespect to any gender. I was using the terms as I understand them - and the term male, or men and female as so defined above.

    Could it be that where you live, if it is not the Continental US, the common usage of these terms is different? If so, I apologize for any unintended slight to either/both genders!



    AH HA! Could it be that you are saying that when speaking of human males and females I should be referring to them as "Men" and "Women" to give the genders equal shrift, the term "female being more generic and not exclusively referring to the human female whereas the term "Men" specifically refers to the human male? Well, if that is what you mean I now understand! But not being a feminist I am not especially sensitized to these terms and did not mean to favor the male over the female!!

    Will you forgive me? We learn something new everyday!!
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    Quote Posted by Céline (here)
    i completly understand and agree on most levels..
    female..is a term used for dogs/animals
    Um...no. I think the word you're looking for is b*tch (Which is a word that is very seldom uttered here - and rightfully so!). Please don't denigrate the term "female" like that, it doesn't deserve it.
    IMHO, Females are divine, and us males can learn a thing or two from them if we let ourselves.

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    This is why I support Mr.Assange, solely for the purpose of standing up for my Constitutional right to Free Speech.

    I have little to lose. I know nothing of importance. I am merely an observer and I want to see the truth come out.

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    Quote Posted by Céline (here)
    Oldest story in the book... WOMAN decides to believe the stories told to her by a MALE
    I have absolutely NO sympathy for Assange's accusers. If what I have read is true, then they are merely patsies put in place by the CIA to take down Mr.Assange.

    The charges were laughed out of court in Sweden.

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    I guess in time we'll come to know more about what is really going on with this amazing story! I guess I am so hopeful that the old paradigm is cracking open that anything that appears to accelerate the process of the egg breaking open and the new creature emerging makes me hopeful! I feel that the core of our problem as human beings is what I call the LIE. I think that somewhere in the past we split and became functionally schizophrenic, whether that occurred through trauma, 'evolution' or engineering (there are many possibilities of course!) I don't know...............but unless and until we heal that rift within ourselves, this split at the root of our very psyche - we cannot hope to proceed in any other way than what we see at present. And I think we are all coming to realize what we see at present just will not do! I hope J.A. and Wikileaks and this whole affair will serve the purpose of exposing the fundamental LIE, creating such cognitive dissonance that all will be forced to realize what is wrong, and then together, we can heal ourselves and move on to something better.

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    Um...no. I think the word you're looking for is b*tch (Which is a word that is very seldom uttered here - and rightfully so!). Please don't denigrate the term "female" like that, it doesn't deserve it.
    IMHO, Females are divine, and us males can learn a thing or two from them if we let ourselves.

    Joel
    No..i wasnt... bitch is solely for dogs...but i did say dog/animal. I was not degenerating anything

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    Celine in your usage of English is the word female commonly used to mean animals or dogs? Just curious. I have noticed that there are differences between British Isles English, Australian English and Amerikanese!

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    its about balance..

    if i were to use female..i would also use male..

    but in a subject like this (sexual assault or the lying about) it is VERY important to be clear and to keep it balanced..


    would you call your mom? your sister? your daughter ? a female? or a woman/girl?

    In your comment you used "female" when talking in the negative.. and when talking about Julian or others, you used the term men. It seemed unbalanced to me.

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    and please dont take this as me supportting women who manipulate men in this way

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    Oh I understand you now and as I said did not mean to overemphasize one gender over the other. I am sorry (as I said in an earlier post) if I upset you in any way! I actually don't have a daughter, my mother died years ago and my sister thinks much as I do about these things. I don't emphasize gender in my communications with others. I try to see us as complimentary versions of the same thing, and though I certainly recognize the important differences I think the similarities are more important. On the subject of sexual assault, it does not appear that any sexual assault whatsoever has occurred and no one has even alleged such, even the 'victims' which is where the controversy arises here! And I do not believe that you would support manipulation - none of us do! :- )

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    Default Re: Assange: "Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths!"

    i tend to over analyze patterns sometimes..

    i am not offended anymore, as you have eloquently explained your position, i hope my heart was just as evident .

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    Default Re: Assange: "Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths!"

    Quote Posted by Céline (here)
    i completly understand and agree on most levels..

    but..

    my point was ..

    female..is a term used for dogs/animals

    and..

    men...is a word used to describe a human gender.

    Call me picky...call me feminist but if you are going to point out these issues...may you please offer the same respect to both sexes
    Celine,

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    Quote females allowing themselves to be used by others to sexually entrap men and take them down
    When reading the word 'females', used in this context, all readers (including you) understand this means Woman, the term 'others' that was used can mean both female and male, or as you prefer, Woman and Men.

    Quote The word female comes from the Latin femella, the diminutive form of femina, meaning "woman," which is not actually related to the word "male." In the late 14th century, the English spelling was altered so that the word paralleled the spelling of "male."
    No dis-respect was intended from Ahkenaten.

    So...back on topic.
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