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    Default Re: Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

    Mercury is going retrograde on Friday, goes direct on May 23rd.
    And this whole year is going to be a huge roller coaster ride, from what astrologers are telling us.
    When Mercury is retrograde, it makes miscommunication almost inevitable.
    Not to put too fine a point on it, but the main issue of this thread is not at all straightforward.
    I can't think of another one quite like it.
    For years the big coverup has been about the clear and present dangers of nuclear plants.
    I don't think there is any question that they are way more dangerous and expensive than they are worth.or than they were originally portrayed by those who wanted to profit from them.
    From the beginning, environmentalists have been against them, and even more so now, and they are usually pretty awake and integral people, the true ones, at least.
    Whether the dangers of radiation caused by nuclear plants is less dangerous than many on the anti-nuclear side have thought is, to my mind, a much less important issue than the whole issue of whether the plants are good for the planet as a whole.
    And since there is so much disagreement still, it can't really be an obvious mistake, so I think it's still really just an unknown.
    And history has demonstrated over and over again that things that were originally thought to be harmless were not harmless at all, so maybe it's the wiser course to heed that lesson until we know for certain.
    It seems really clear to me that the disadvantages far outweigh any advantages, and so all this discussion about facts and figures that nobody is sure of seems like a big distraction from what is most important.
    No doubt Target has heard this before, but the continued insistence that Avalonians as conspiracy theorists should be more open to his stance doesn't really make much sense to me.
    We still haven't been able to do much about the original conspiracy which was to build these huge, astronomically expensive plants that were never safe to begin with, and to tally up the cost that the known dangers have created is too monumental a task even for the experts.
    Not to mention that Fukushima and Chernobyl may only be the tip of the iceberg if things don't change soon.
    If there's actually a conspiracy to hide a scenario in which radiation from the plants is less dangerous than previously thought, well, sure, that would be fantastic, but it could also be a pack of lies that the perpetrators and profiteers have created in order to cover up their incompetence and lack of regard for the welfare of the planet.
    So there is naturally going to be more than the usual amount of controversy and confusion, and especially among conspiracy theorists-because it's two conflicting conspiracies all rolled up into one.
    I really don't even want to get into it anymore and never really did, as I imagine a lot of other members haven't either, if only because of that one central factor that makes for extreme confusion and angst. It's like salting a wound.
    Causing confusion and pain, as we know, is something the controllers love to do.
    I sure don't want to fall into their trap, and if there's no need to, I can just let it be for now.
    If the day comes when we know for sure what the dangers are for everybody and everything, down to the last radioactive particle, then that will be a different story,and everyone should know about it when that day comes.
    But to get upset about people getting upset about an issue that is so totally upsetting by its very nature is really counter-productive.
    Maybe one day we will be able to look back on it and have total clarity,but it's all too muddled to hope for that at this point; to expect clarity now is premature and unrealistic, however strong our opinions may be.
    IMHO, of course!

    Meanwhile. there is a new article here, which looks pretty credible.
    It's from Truthout, which has a fairly good track record for a source that iis somewhere in between mainstream and alternative:
    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/ite...yl-30-years-on
    Chernobyl, 30 Years On
    Tuesday, 26 April 2016 00:00
    By Robert James Parsons, Truthout
    Quote Tuesday, April 26, 2016, marks the 30th anniversary of the Chernobyl catastrophe. As is the case with its counterpart Fukushima, the official date marks only the beginning of a long, horrible ordeal, which is still underway and still worsening.

    The date also marks the beginning of the 10th year of the daily vigil by the grassroots organization IndependentWHO at the entry to the World Health Organization (WHO). The stated and unwavering purpose of the vigil is to have the WHO renounce the accord that ties it to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), giving the IAEA veto power over anything that the WHO might propose to do in the area of ionizing radiation and health.

    As the IAEA's mandate is the promotion of all things nuclear, it will come as no surprise that, since the agreement entered into force in May 1959, the WHO's work on ionizing radiation and health has been negligible.

    The WHO assessment of Chernobyl, established in function of this agreement and discussed at length in an article published almost two years ago by Truthout, was what pushed IndependentWHO to undertake the vigil. A major element of that assessment, the death toll, is worth revisiting.

    According to the WHO, 51 people died because of the explosion of Chernobyl reactor number four. We have been told that thyroid cancers attributable to its radiation may reach 4,000 or 5,000 cases over the decades to come. Such figures are absurd, yet the WHO-IAEA partnership has relentlessly insisted on them and done its best to thwart any alternative assessment, to such an extent that they are still routinely cited in the mainstream corporate media.

    In November 1995, ahead of the April 1996 10th anniversary of the catastrophe, Dr. Hiroshi Nakajima, the director general of the WHO, organized a major conference on the human health implications of Chernobyl, inviting over 700 scientists from throughout the world, all specialized in some aspect of health and ionizing radiation. Their view was unanimous: The catastrophe was still unfolding, and the health effects would continue to increase for generations to come.

    Contrary to what the WHO promised when the invitations to the conference were sent, the papers presented by the conference's participants were never published. Later, in retirement, Nakajima elaborated on this, explaining that, unique among the various organizations and agencies of the United Nations system, the IAEA is under the authority of the UN Security Council.

    Thus, any contention between the IAEA and another agency can be referred to the oversight authority, the Security Council, where the five permanent members, all nuclear powers, have veto power, in effect declaring the grounds of contention without merit. The WHO's oversight body is the UN General Assembly and the secretary general, de jure and de facto powerless before the Security Council.

    In April 1996, following the 10th anniversary conference, the IAEA organized its own conference on Chernobyl, which has since replaced the November conference in all references by the WHO. The concluding message was reassuring -- and patently false.

    More than 800,000 (perhaps as many as 1 million) young men were recruited by the Soviet Union to put out the fire in reactor number four and entomb it in a sarcophagus. At a 2001 conference in Kiev (whose proceedings were never published either), the figure advanced was that already over one-third of them had been reported as incapacitated or dead.

    The liquidators were later the subject of an international symposium organized by the Swiss chapters of Physicians for Social Responsibility and International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War at the University of Bern medical school in November 2005. The introduction to the symposium's abstracts noted that, in April of that year (the 19th anniversary of the catastrophe), a press release from the Ukrainian Embassy in Paris had acknowledged 2,646,106 Ukrainians as being Chernobyl victims, among whom one-third were children.

    In the light of the constant denial of any serious aftereffect by the most directly affected countries (Ukraine, Belarus and Russia), not to mention the outright lies with which these countries' governments have surrounded the subject, such a revelation was astounding. Yet the announcement was passed over in silence by all major corporate media.

    The liquidators were drawn from the entire Soviet Union. Of the registered Ukrainian liquidators, 94 percent were classified as ill in 2005, mostly too ill to work anymore.

    More recently, in 2011, the New York Academy of Sciences published a 327-page English translation of a 2007 Russian publication on the consequences of the catastrophe, presenting an analysis of the scientific literature (some 1,000 titles and more than 5,000 printed and internet publications in Slavic languages, mostly in Russian). The death toll calculated from these studies, covering the period from 1986 to 2004, was 985,000.

    These peer-reviewed monographs have been pointedly ignored by the WHO, even though Russian is an official language of the WHO, which maintains a permanent translation and interpretation staff for all six official languages. (A substantial body of peer-reviewed articles in Russian built on climate studies of the east Siberian continental shelf and its fast thawing permafrost -- and concomitant release of methane -- has similarly been ignored by the World Meteorological Organization, which, like the WHO, has Russian as an official language and a full staff of permanent translators and interpreters on hand.)

    Chernobyl's Children

    In the spring of 1992, several Alsatians answered an unusual call from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) and participated in receiving in France a group of 300 children from Ukraine, all Chernobyl victims.

    The following autumn, these volunteers decided to sign on to a partnership with the Green Help foundation in Kiev, a grassroots organization set up to help the victims of the catastrophe. Their organization was named Les Enfants de Tchernobyl (Chernobyl's Children). Their goal was to bring young victims to France for their summer vacations, receiving them in private homes.

    Finally, in early July 1993, after seemingly endless negotiations and official proceedings, 196 children, accompanied by 10 interpreters, arrived at the Basel-Mulhouse airport on a military transport plane to launch what has become a summer ritual. Since then, more than 250 such projects have been carried out in support of the children most badly affected in the three countries (Ukraine, Belarus and Russia). Every summer, some 200 children come to Alsace and surrounding départements in eastern France for three weeks.

    As the children come primarily from highly disadvantaged families, there are also occasional humanitarian actions organized in favor of some of the families. Life, for many of them, is anything but easy.

    The organization's website notes:

    The inhabitants of the north of Ukraine, the south of Russia and Belarus are obliged to live in a radioactive environment, and, because their food is contaminated, the radionuclides, and especially cesium 137, accumulate day after day in the bodies of the children. The main problem is products that result from food-gathering (berries, mushrooms and such), hunting and fishing, a considerable part of their daily diet.
    The permanent irradiation of their cells, particularly those of the heart, the thyroid gland and the brain, causes numerous lesions that are the source of very serious pathologies, linked especially to harm to the immune defenses of the vital organs.
    The work and examinations of Professor Yuri Bandazhevski have demonstrated a co-relation between the level of cesium 137 accumulated in the children's bodies and the anomalies revealed by their electrocardiograms. Cesium 137 does not exist in nature, thus what one finds can only be of human origin: nuclear installations, atmospheric tests, nuclear pollution and catastrophes.
    For years, the general assessment of Dr. Bandazhevski and those attending to children's health in Belarus -- the country most affected by the catastrophe -- has been that some 80 percent of the children are ill from a vast panoply of diseases, many seriously. While the percentage seems to have stabilized over the long term, suggesting that the worst has passed, the seriousness of the illnesses seems to be slowly increasing. Additionally, there is a deplorable lack of reliable comprehensive statistics on congenital birth deformities, a major indication of radiation poisoning.

    Further, little effort -- beyond that of a handful of independent researchers with woefully inadequate means at their disposal -- has been expended to establish the extent of harm throughout the rest of the world from the countless radionuclides (microscopic radioactive particles) let loose on the good earth when the reactor core burned.

    While "official" accounts of the catastrophe claim that some 200 tons of fuel still remain within the sarcophagus, nobody has advanced irrefutable evidence to support this claim. Given the duration and intensity of the fire, most independent researchers have concluded that all the fuel burned. The presence of residual fuel seems to have been an additional major reason justifying the European Union's assuming the huge cost of building of a new sarcophagus over the original 1986 construction (besides the obvious ones of the original's aging and its less than optimal construction under the stress of the catastrophe).

    Thus, a permanently high-level contamination zone in Eastern Europe can be attributed to "nuclear waste" that cannot, yet, be removed. The reality is that the presence or absence of residual fuel is irrelevant. The reactor building, along with the ground under and around it, with or without the fuel, constitutes an irrevocably and colossally poisoned area that can never again be made fit for human or animal life in any form.

    The "official" version would thus appear to be another brick in the huge wall of denial, minimizing Chernobyl's contribution to the contamination of a world already saturated with radionuclides from nuclear weapons, nuclear reactors and the use of uranium and depleted uranium weapons. Thirty years on, regardless of the WHO-IAEA claims, the Chernobyl catastrophe continues to unfold, denied by the nuclearists, ignored by the mainstream corporate media and largely unknown to the general public of the world.

    At IndependentWHO's general assembly in March 2016, its members voted to extend the vigil once again for yet another -- its 10th -- year. A highly placed official at the WHO confided to this journalist that it has become a colossal embarrassment to the WHO and that no high-level meeting takes place without it being mentioned.

    While the WHO has had its hands tied by the IAEA and the nuclear establishment, the indefatigable public presence of IndependentWHO representatives at its entry, every working day, from 8 am to 6 pm, stands as one more example of ordinary citizens obstinately speaking truth to power.

    More power to them!

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    Default Re: Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

    My personal opinion is that I don't think we should advocate nuclear energy, which certainly is dangerous. Do we want another Fukushima or Chernobyl? Or how about ten of them and maybe near you? People have already enough problems with thyroid glands and their health as it is, I certainly wouldn't want an overdose of radiation. Instead I would want the free energy, which has been hidden away for decades now to be revealed and given to all of us so that we could survive and thrive as as society.
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    Hi Wind. Just FYI this was a really great video. I really enjoyed it.
    For those thinking about watching it, apparently in Russia they are giving guided tours of the "no live zone" around Chernobyl and these tours consist of a trip through a time capsule really. It is a rare chance to see a communist Russian city left "as is" circa 1986. Also these folks are allowed to walk right up to the actual Chernobyl nuclear power plant. There are workers shown as well walk right into the old Chernobyl nuclear power plant with no special gear, gas masks or anything.
    It's a pretty cool 13 minute watch.

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    My personal opinion is that I don't think we should advocate nuclear energy, which certainly is dangerous. Do we want another Fukushima or Chernobyl? Or how about ten of them and maybe near you? People have already enough problems with thyroid glands and their health as it is, I certainly wouldn't want an overdose of radiation. Instead I would want the free energy, which has been hidden away for decades now to be revealed and given to all of us so that we could survive and thrive as as society.
    I'm against opening new nuclear power plants as well. I'm no fan of nuclear energy and this thread isn't a pro-nuclear thread, this is a anti-disinformation thread. Just because Nuclear energy is bad doesn't mean you get to make a bunch of false correlations and blame everything bad that is going on in the Pacific ocean on a nuclear accident. To do that makes about as much sense as when the FDA tried to say "ALL FATS ARE BAD" because they didn't think people would understand the difference between saturated and non-saturated fats. So instead of telling people the truth they lied and promoted deadly chemicals like hydrogenated fats.

    Oh and on that topic of free energy, we do not know the dangers of free energy.
    It could be that a free energy device could allow somebody to blow up the moon or something.
    I mean free energy sounds good and all until you hear someone used it to vaporize a mountain or a major metropolitan city.

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    I agree, DNA, there are lots of reasons why the Pacific ocean is turning into a toxic waste dump and they aren't all due to Fukushima.
    Free energy could be dangerous too, but then again, it might not, and it might solve a whole lot of problems.
    There is a lot of unexplored potential for many different kinds of inventions, and I think it looks really hopeful.
    In the meanwhile, harnessing solar energy is getting better and cheaper.

    We know that nuclear plants have already created a whole lot of problems, and we know that nuclear bombs aren't all that hard to make, and they cause a hell of a lot of problems.
    So why defend them?
    And we all need to be able to understand when we don't really know anything for sure, or that we don't know enough for sure about an issue to get all hostile. And we need to refrain from insisting that we do know for sure when we don't, and not to get on other people's cases when they point that out.
    Especially on such a volatile and confusing subject.
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    Quote Posted by Wind (here)
    My personal opinion is that I don't think we should advocate nuclear energy, which certainly is dangerous. Do we want another Fukushima or Chernobyl? Or how about ten of them and maybe near you? People have already enough problems with thyroid glands and their health as it is, I certainly wouldn't want an overdose of radiation. Instead I would want the free energy, which has been hidden away for decades now to be revealed and given to all of us so that we could survive and thrive as as society.
    I'm against opening new nuclear power plants as well. I'm no fan of nuclear energy and this thread isn't a pro-nuclear thread, this is a anti-disinformation thread.
    Hi DNA,

    According to Kirk Sorensen and a growing group of others, nuclear energy is not unsafe by default.
    It all depends on the technique that is used to generate it.
    The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor is supposed to be safe in regard to possible melt downs and environmental disasters.
    He gave up his career by NASA to promote this technique.
    China picked up on his work and is now building a LFTR reactor.
    Will be interesting to see if this is going to change nuclear energy as we know it and what the impact might be on the energy industry world wide.

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    Oh and on that topic of free energy, we do not know the dangers of free energy.
    It could be that a free energy device could allow somebody to blow up the moon or something.
    I mean free energy sounds good and all until you hear someone used it to vaporize a mountain or a major metropolitan city.
    Exactly!
    It always puzzles me why people don't seem to take this risk into account when talking about free energy.

    Instead of doing a mass killing in a public school, now one can build a device that can destroy a whole city in your garage!!!
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    It is of course possible that free energy could be misused like any other power, because humans are not spiritually mature yet as a whole. Then again it doesn't change the fact that we could use and it's not right that it has been hidden away by the military industrial complex. I would choose free energy any day over nuclear energy, which I oppose. I suppose it will always take an catastrophe(s) to change the human mindset slowly.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I agree, DNA, there are lots of reasons why the Pacific ocean is turning into a toxic waste dump and they aren't all due to Fukushima.
    Free energy could be dangerous too, but then again, it might not, and it might solve a whole lot of problems.
    There is a lot of unexplored potential for many different kinds of inventions, and I think it looks really hopeful.
    In the meanwhile, harnessing solar energy is getting better and cheaper.

    We know that nuclear plants have already created a whole lot of problems, and we know that nuclear bombs aren't all that hard to make, and they cause a hell of a lot of problems.
    So why defend them?
    And we all need to be able to understand when we don't really know anything for sure, or that we don't know enough for sure about an issue to get all hostile. And we need to refrain from insisting that we do know for sure when we don't, and not to get on other people's cases when they point that out.
    Especially on such a volatile and confusing subject.

    If I were to distill my original point down to it's most basic message it would be this.
    It seems TPTB are trying to get rid of nuclear energy across the earth.
    If one were to concede that the earthquake that started the 3-11 tsunami and destroyed Fukushima was a in fact a man made earthquake then one would have to question why? My original post points to a objective outlined by Dr. John Coleman in his 21 goals of the Illuminati as he had written it back in 1992. Being as the elimination of nuclear energy was a stated objective of the Illuminati by Dr. John Coleman back in 1992 and so many of the other goals he had written about back then are coming true I wanted to follow that thread of thought.


    That thread of thought continues along the lines of "if one were trying to get rid of nuclear energy then one would want to demonize it as much as possible".
    This is where I now find myself. Looking at alternative media pushing the Pacific is dying agenda and this is because of Fukushima.
    There are a myriad of reason why we should be trying to figure this out for ourselves.
    Not the least of which in my opinion is that there will probably be a situation in the near future where a Fukushima type of event is recreated in a different country and in a different place.


    I also tried to convey the message that it seems that this has happened again with the recent earthquakes in the South of Japan.
    And this again seemed to be sending the message that nuclear energy is being attacked.
    These earthquakes in the south of Japan occurred right after Japan activated three reactors in their south Japan Nuclear facility.


    The reason I think this message is lost is due to black and white thinking.
    Folks automatically assume that "they" and TPTB can not "share" a same view point on something.


    The thing is, I'm not saying we know what TPTB are planning, but if we remain in the realm of reality and exercise critical thinking, maybe just maybe we can figure it out.


    This is why I point out the Fukushima scare tactics about the Pacific dying. I'm willing to be wrong on this, but I will out and out state that my guy says that this is all a con job.

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    Default Re: Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

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    this is not the first time you've posted a link to something with no summary, if you don't have the time to do that I don't have the time to listen to it
    I was assuming that informed members here know exactly who Matthew Stein is. Maybe in your case I made a misjudgment!
    Seriously Bill? That looks distinctly like an ego response and as such not in keeping with your general demeanor.
    That was very gentle. You may have missed TargeT's sarcastic earlier response.
    No, I never missed it. That's just TargeT. Ever since I first noticed his posts it was obvious he was blunt, concise to the point of what others could perceive of as rude.

    I thought his point regarding your contributions to this particular thread were valid in that, twice you posted the link to Linda Moulton Howe's audio without any explanation of what it may say and then a link to a Matthew Stein article with no summary or input. On several occasions I have noted that it is rather de rigueur to supply more than just a link when making posts, several times I have seen moderators point this out.

    You then linked the awareness of Matthew Stein to 'the informed members'. I'd never heard of Matthew Stein, but then I'd never considered myself particularly 'informed' about anything. Kind of the reason I am here really.

    In short we didn't know your thoughts are on the matter but the inference is deduced that it isn't a topic worth discussing. At least that's how I saw it.

    Knowing nothing about radiation, other than the popular concept that its nasty stuff, I was really appreciating the work TargeT was doing in bringing potentially good information into the arena for further study and discussion.

    I'm not sure why Linda Moulton Howe should be considered an expert or knowledgable about Fukushima, I'm also concerned (a little) that she has may have been compromised. (Denying the subject of human mutilation).

    I don't understand why someone would feel the need to describe another poster as relentlessly annoying. If you don't like the thread stay out of it, if the poster bothers you that much stick them on an ignore list.

    I think what has just happened here is rather sad. If the community at PA cannot get along without these breakdowns then it would seem we are all dreaming to think that the wider breadth of humanity could come together any time soon.

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    I've got to agree with everything Ewan has just stated.

    Ewan you are a gifted and articulate individual. You have really done a great job of summing up some of my feelings as well.

    I understand what Bill is doing when you factor TargeT's recent posts on Giovanni's giant thread and also on Cider's thread on Fukushima.

    It pains me to say this, but Bill did have a point in all of this. It pains me because I absolutely love TargeT's contributions in so far as radiation and Fukushima are concerned. But I think when Target comes back he will reread his posts, especially those on Cider's thread and see that he was a little out of line.

    In so far as this thread specifically is concerned I don't think TargeT was too bad, but cumulatively speaking I can see how TargeT may have needed a break.

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    Default Re: Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

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    I've got to agree with everything Ewan has just stated.

    Ewan you are a gifted and articulate individual. You have really done a great job of summing up some of my feelings as well.

    I understand what Bill is doing when you factor TargeT's recent posts on Giovanni's giant thread and also on Cider's thread on Fukushima.

    It pains me to say this, but Bill did have a point in all of this. It pains me because I absolutely love TargeT's contributions in so far as radiation and Fukushima are concerned. But I think when Target comes back he will reread his posts, especially those on Cider's thread and see that he was a little out of line.

    In so far as this thread specifically is concerned I don't think TargeT was too bad, but cumulatively speaking I can see how TargeT may have needed a break.
    Ah! I have to confess I have no idea what has been going on in the two threads you metion.

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    Default Re: Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

    I think we really need to cut Bill some slack.
    In my experience, Bill doesn't usually act that much as a Mod, but he has lately, and that is a very time consuming job.
    I for one, appreciate that his presence has been more obvious here on the forum of late.
    If he doesn't include a synopsis of an article or audio that he has posted, I think we should also give him credit that he wouldn't post something unless it was worthy of consideration.
    And to Target's credit, he does spend time looking into info that is posted as a possible rebuttal to his stance.
    I think Bill may have posted those links for Target specifically as he thought they were things Target would have wanted to look into himself, but also, of course, for other members who have the time to check it out for themselves.
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    I think it's likely that TPTB have been targeting Japan because they were getting out of line, and the artificially generated quakes were the way to make an example of them.

    If TPTB wanted to stop the use of nuclear energy plants, I think it would be pretty simple for them to do without going to such lengths.

    They could start investing heavily in alternative sources that are already in use and being improved all the time, such as solar panels, and perhaps they already are.

    Let's face it, they can hand down directives to almost any government and expect them to be followed, especially if the directives actually made sense!

    Quote Posted by DNA (here)

    If I were to distill my original point down to it's most basic message it would be this.
    It seems TPTB are trying to get rid of nuclear energy across the earth.

    If one were to concede that the earthquake that started the 3-11 tsunami and destroyed Fukushima was a in fact a man made earthquake then one would have to question why? My original post points to a objective outlined by Dr. John Coleman in his 21 goals of the Illuminati as he had written it back in 1992. Being as the elimination of nuclear energy was a stated objective of the Illuminati by Dr. John Coleman back in 1992 and so many of the other goals he had written about back then are coming true I wanted to follow that thread of thought.

    That thread of thought continues along the lines of "if one were trying to get rid of nuclear energy then one would want to demonize it as much as possible".

    This is where I now find myself. Looking at alternative media pushing the Pacific is dying agenda and this is because of Fukushima.

    There are a myriad of reason why we should be trying to figure this out for ourselves.
    Not the least of which in my opinion is that there will probably be a situation in the near future where a Fukushima type of event is recreated in a different country and in a different place.

    I also tried to convey the message that it seems that this has happened again with the recent earthquakes in the South of Japan.

    And this again seemed to be sending the message that nuclear energy is being attacked.

    These earthquakes in the south of Japan occurred right after Japan activated three reactors in their south Japan Nuclear facility.

    The reason I think this message is lost is due to black and white thinking.
    Folks automatically assume that "they" and TPTB can not "share" a same view point on something.

    The thing is, I'm not saying we know what TPTB are planning, but if we remain in the realm of reality and exercise critical thinking, maybe just maybe we can figure it out.

    This is why I point out the Fukushima scare tactics about the Pacific dying. I'm willing to be wrong on this, but I will out and out state that my guy says that this is all a con job.
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    Default Re: Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)

    In my experience, Bill doesn't usually act that much as a Mod, but he has lately, and that is a very time consuming job.
    This is very much off-topic! But just a clarification here, in case it helps members understand how things work in the engine room.

    The sequence of events is almost always as follows:
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    3. Often, if a response is needed, a draft is proposed by someone. Other mods them comment, and maybe propose an amendment or improvement.
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    That's important to understand, because it's very rare that one moderator just takes action without consulting the whole team first. It's never personal, and almost never unilateral.


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    Default Re: Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

    Here's another example of a nuclear plant causing a lot of problems.

    Quote Published on Apr 28, 2016
    Elevated levels of ammonia, phosphorous and radioactive compounds have been detected in cooling canals connected to the Turkey Point Nuclear Plant south of Miami, Florida, and a have seeped into the Biscayne Aquifer affecting much of south Florida’s drinking water. The company operating the plant is now under a 21-day deadline to provide any information on how it occurred, and negotiate solutions. RT America’s Marina Portnaya reports.
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    Quote Posted by DNA (here)

    Oh and on that topic of free energy, we do not know the dangers of free energy.
    It could be that a free energy device could allow somebody to blow up the moon or something.
    I mean free energy sounds good and all until you hear someone used it to vaporize a mountain or a major metropolitan city.
    Exactly!
    It always puzzles me why people don't seem to take this risk into account when talking about free energy.

    Instead of doing a mass killing in a public school, now one can build a device that can destroy a whole city in your garage!!!
    This is why we have to be careful about which methods of free energy are promoted or used.

    No RF or high frequency devices.

    'fizz' types like Rossi's eCat, are excellent choices.

    Devices that do not emit radiation, cannot melt down, have no residual contamination issues, use extremely available and inexpensive components that recycle easily, and components and ingredients that do not increase in cost from use OR scaling into to billions of devices. basically, to use it to heat water for turbines, to create electricity... and heat homes and water. House sized, for a winter environment, probably $4kUS. then recharge and renewal, is about $5 per year. Then a 5 and 10 year service, usually no more than $1k, maybe as high as $2k per service/renewal. (the turbine is a moving part that is expensive) In warm climes, solar is dropping rapidly in cost, and can directly compete in installed costs.

    The eCat is about 2-3 years out from being capable of flying a small plane with two people in it...for about 1 year, nonstop. The motive force part will be the last part to fail, or require additional expenditure or fuel.

    (I've done all the calculations)
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    Nervous tension about our own nuclear plants with much discussion on safety reports. Whether or not the reports are objective enough (see: Electrabel) and why we aren't taking neighbours' (e.g. Germany) criticism to heart. This follows another (in a series) of "incidents" with our nuclear power plants, and having to temporarily put them out of use or them auto-shutting because of safety issues.

    In addition, Minister of Health proposing, yesterday, that whereas before only people within a range of 20km of a nuclear plant were provided iodide tabs (preventive measure in case of radiation disaster) we should now give them to all citizens (article in Dutch). I don't see how such a proposal adds up with positive safety reports.

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    Default Re: Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

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    My personal opinion is that I don't think we should advocate nuclear energy, which certainly is dangerous. Do we want another Fukushima or Chernobyl? Or how about ten of them and maybe near you? People have already enough problems with thyroid glands and their health as it is, I certainly wouldn't want an overdose of radiation. Instead I would want the free energy, which has been hidden away for decades now to be revealed and given to all of us so that we could survive and thrive as as society.
    I'm against opening new nuclear power plants as well. I'm no fan of nuclear energy and this thread isn't a pro-nuclear thread, this is a anti-disinformation thread.
    Hi DNA,

    According to Kirk Sorensen and a growing group of others, nuclear energy is not unsafe by default.
    It all depends on the technique that is used to generate it.
    The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor is supposed to be safe in regard to possible melt downs and environmental disasters.
    He gave up his career by NASA to promote this technique.
    China picked up on his work and is now building a LFTR reactor.
    Will be interesting to see if this is going to change nuclear energy as we know it and what the impact might be on the energy industry world wide.

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    You know I wish TargeT was here to comment on this point. I had discussed something with TargeT along these lines some time in 2014. The discussion was along the lines of it makes absolutely no sense what so ever not to go ahead and start building nuclear reactors thorium based as your youtube videos state. The one reason TargeT gave for they not being built that way has always stuck with me, and what he was alluding to was that there may in fact be a by-product of nuclear reactors that is being used, possibly even in the secret space program.
    This is all conjecture and what not, but I found it fascinating just the same.

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    Default Re: Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

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    You know I wish TargeT was here to comment on this point. I had discussed something with TargeT along these lines some time in 2014. The discussion was along the lines of it makes absolutely no sense what so ever not to go ahead and start building nuclear reactors thorium based as your youtube videos state. The one reason TargeT gave for they not being built that way has always stuck with me, and what he was alluding to was that there may in fact be a by-product of nuclear reactors that is being used, possibly even in the secret space program.
    This is all conjecture and what not, but I found it fascinating just the same.
    Yes, I think there must at least be one and possibly several hidden reasons why tpbt choose for the "water cooled, high pressure" reactors instead of LFTR. The person in charge of developing the first commercial nuclear reactors wanted the LFTR, but was overruled by forces in the government in favor of the water cooled reactors.

    Two reasons I can think of are:
    1. There's much more money to be earned in mining Uranium and upgrading it for use in nuclear reactors then would be for thorium.
    2. The process of upgrading Uranium for nuclear reactors brings the uranium only one step away from use in military grade weapons (nuclear bombs).


    ps: yes, I hope target returns soon.
    I'm a big fan.
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