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    Default JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

    John Pilger discusses the nuclear reality / threat past and present , as well as asking,

    "What has happened to the great tradition of popular direct action, unfettered to parties? Where is the courage, imagination and commitment required to begin the long journey to a better, just and peaceful world? Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"


    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle44496.htm
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    Default Re: JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

    I have done a couple threads about where are all the protest songs ?

    I think they are alive and well on the web, they are just not getting
    much air time on mainstream as they did in the 1960's 70's the
    hayday of the protest songs imo....

    There are other reasons for mainstream compliance with government
    propaganda .After the Vietnam war in which the direct television news
    pictures caused the US public question why they were there. The media
    has been bought up by fewer corporates and the UK military employed
    a 'old' way to handle the press by 'embedding' them with the military
    as was done in WW1 & 2. Thus being able to monitor what was being
    sent home and put pressure on editors to what is being published...




    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...racies-D.Icke-...
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    Default Re: JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

    I think you may have the wrong link in post #1 not sure which
    John Pilger vid you are referencing ?


    JOHN PILGER - A WORLD WAR HAS BEGUN: BREAK THE SILENCE



    Published on 30 Mar 2016


    Renowned Australian journalist and film-maker John Pilger is shooting his new film in the Pacific and Asia.
    He describes a 'wall of propaganda' and asks: does Australia care?

    Filmed by Cathy Vogan at Sydney University on Tuesday March 22, 2016. Co-hosted by Sydney University
    Resistance Club, the Centre of Peace And Conflict Studies and Green Left Weekly.

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    This should bring back some memories to older members and enlighten younger ones imo....

    The sad thing nothing much has changed the mil ind and other corporates are
    still trying to send ' grunts' into wars so that they can make money for the 'elites'
    cause chaos and be 'free'!!


    It starts off with the original " Good Morning Vietnam " clip later made
    famous by Robin Williams. Aprox 4 mins in they talk about 'Wondering Soul'
    a tape blasted out to the local Vietnam populous by the psychological operations
    battalion based in Bien Hoa , part of the MK Ultra techniques used later in Panama,
    Iraq and elsewhere , again these were updates of tecniches used in WW1 & 2....

    Psychological Operations (United States)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho...(United_States)

    http://www.psywarrior.com/VietnamOBPSYOP

    John Pilger - Vietnam - The Quiet Mutiny [1970]



    Published on 24 Feb 2013


    1970. In his iconic documentary debut 'The Quiet Mutiny', Pilger reports from the front line
    in Vietnam where he finds disillusioned American troops in open rebellion against the war.
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    Default Re: JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

    MY APOLOGIES ON THE INCORRECT LINK. THE NEW ONE IS POSTED AND HERE TOO. Thats what I get for multi tasking.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle44496.htm

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    Default Re: JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

    I can speak to the question of where the dissidents are in literature and music. There are plenty of them, but their art isn't published by large publishers, all of which are now owned by major corporations ( a situation that began only in the 90's); William Gillespie's KEYHOLE FACTORY is today's SLAUGHTERHOUSE FIVE; fewer people read books today. There are also tons of musicians singing great songs of protest, but no, you won't hear them on the radio.

    Anyhow, I liked Pilger's piece. It seems like he isn't aware of a lot of the writing and thinking that's going on online because I see a lot of awakened thinkers out there. Here's a podcast from Jason Horsley's THE LIMINALIST that cuts through the fog of propaganda:
    http://auticulture.com/the-liminalist-62/

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    Default Re: JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

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    MY APOLOGIES ON THE INCORRECT LINK. THE NEW ONE IS POSTED AND HERE TOO. Thats what I get for multi tasking.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle44496.htm
    Yes good article. I posted it a while ago. Living in Australia is like living in a bubble. Unless you seek out what is going on you just live your life oblivious to reality. Most people are so busy that they just consume what they are fed via msm. The funding for arts here has been constrained over recent years as we have a very conservative group of people in power and this is one of many ways to control public discourse... That is by ensuring that grants go to groups they approve of.

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    Default Re: JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

    Shantsai / i agree its all out there , but the system is closed .

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    Default Re: JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

    Doug, that's right, and the problem with saying "where are all the dissident artists?" (although I can understand why someone might say that) is that all these dissident artists are out there working their hearts out, and can't get a break, can't sell a book, can't get a gig, can't get on the radio; everyone tells them they have to be their own promoters, so they try to learn PR, their hearts aren't in it, they get pulled away from doing their art; people tell them they need to get grants, they spend weeks on grant applications that don't result in anything; they pour their hearts and souls into doing this dissident art to awaken their peers, and all they get is contempt; and then someone comes along and says, "where are all the dissident artists?" It's adding insult to injury. Not that that insult matters much in the larger scheme of things; however, when people who go to McDonalds out of habit complain that no one bothers to open a decent restaurant anymore, or when people who watch television every night complain that there's no live theater... you know, some people really seem to prefer Twinkies to a real pound cake, or Wonder Bread to real bread. And yet a world in which there are only Twinkies is just so much worse for everyone alive, that I wonder if it's not OK for people to prefer Twinkies. In terms of culture, that's the difference between liking manipulative brainwashing and real art. But, as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. In any case, if the great dissident artists made their art in a forest and no one heard, did they really exist at all? I think they did, and that their audiences were just too lazy to realize that it was their responsibility to go out and find the art they needed.

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    A secondary layer has been inserted between the dissident and the public. As well as a system of indoctrination that has been designed to disarm the dissidence that makes it through. Thirdly, more false paths for dissidents to become involved in, have been inserted into their potential awakenings. fourthly, an attack system has been built for tearing down those who are more effective in bringing real change to the masses, ie, black/dark destruction squads. (Insert false evidence, harassment, false charges, reputation destruction,and murder with accident plausibility for the public to consume)

    These are the major innovations that the elite have inserted into the matrix of control, since the end of the 1960's and into the early 1970's. They were perfected and streamlined over the intervening years.

    The dissidents may still be there, but if they don't understand what I've written, then they'll never understand the levels they will have to go to, in order to effect change.

    it used to be that a country would not understand that the leadership had changed until the coup was announced on the newly controlled radio and television systems.

    Now, all access to information sharing is cluttered with methods of control, falsification, and weakening of messages. Specifically...a weakening of the ability of the recipient to understand the meaning and depth of the messages. a system erected over decades. A system built so that the public does not understand how disarmed they are, that their learning and thus reality process, has been disturbed. A system designed to, over decades, make the public more angry and actually, literally...less intelligent, and actually...less capable of carrying out any act of dissidence, discernment, protest, or rising up in arms.

    Make no mistake, this was very carefully crafted. This is a finely tuned war machine, designed to take on the 'subjects'. The complexity of the erected system of control is 'just outside' of the average person's capacity for discernment, so they don't see it's overlay, they can still 'live a life' of sorts, within it's confines. This part specifically concerns the teaching, scholastic aspects, and the food/environment. To literally dumb down, slowly, slowly... just out of reach of discernment, over decades. each and every turn and point having an auxiliary potential meaning, for the less intelligent or less aware to find as 'points in reason'.

    Point being, how does a 50 year old get a child to have sex with them regularly, and like it and feel normal about it? The answer..very slowly and very carefully. The desired scenario has to be built, over time. The public has been similarly taken for a ride. Very slowly and very carefully.

    It takes no great intellect to see such a thing. What it does take... is a lack of emotional coloration, the kind of emotional thought coloration that prevents intellect from doing it's appointed job.

    Part of it is that ....each decease in IQ points by 5 (Eg, fluoride in the water = 5-7 IQ point loss in the final adult and less learning and reduced capacities along the way), doubles the time it takes to reach a point in understanding, if it can be reached, at all. Each decrease in 5 IQ points also brings out a more emotionally based system of reason, so that a form of subconscious emotional hypnotic can be utilized in the individual and the masses.

    So, at a certain point, you can see it moving toward a zero point, a reason-less animalization of the masses. Humans are getting smarter, longer lived, and so on --the natural upward tick.

    The move to human decimation is about continuance of control.
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    Doug, that's right, and the problem with saying "where are all the dissident artists?" (although I can understand why someone might say that) is that all these dissident artists are out there working their hearts out, and can't get a break, can't sell a book, can't get a gig, can't get on the radio;
    Shantsai/ agreed! not only did my State of Grace project , shedding light on the hidden world of burn survivors get ignored by the "ART WORLD" but my newly completed whistleblower series will be kept out as well. its a money game, commerce, product , one needs to belong to a club and so forth. to be clear, I also lay cause on myself. i was interested in being an artist , not in the "business " of art . but you would think just by happenstance the two would cross paths! www.dougauld.com for both series of work should anyone want to review
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Make no mistake, this was very carefully crafted. This is a finely tuned war machine

    Carmody/ excellent post. thank you. it is all a grand design. should anyone be interested, this is a great site www.internetarchive.com
    and here is a free viewing of Orwells 1984 chilling! https://archive.org/details/kingcrimson666_live_1984
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    Default Re: JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    John Pilger discusses the nuclear reality / threat past and present , as well as asking,

    "What has happened to the great tradition of popular direct action, unfettered to parties? Where is the courage, imagination and commitment required to begin the long journey to a better, just and peaceful world? Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"


    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle44496.htm

    Pilger is correct.

    as far as dissidents in the arts..at least in Hollywood..the minute you step out of line with your political views..the phone stops ringing. I publicly criticized Israel a few years ago..went to a few pro-palestine rallys..and lost my agent, and almost my career over it. Still haven't gotten back to where I was. Anti-Obama-ism, for most of his term(s) was the same. imagine it's much the same in other areas of the arts. People have mouths to feed..and Actors/writers/directors haven't had much courage since the days of McCarthy. This is a realm where no-talents like the Kardashians are multi-millionaires..

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    John Pilger discusses the nuclear reality / threat past and present , as well as asking,

    "What has happened to the great tradition of popular direct action, unfettered to parties? Where is the courage, imagination and commitment required to begin the long journey to a better, just and peaceful world? Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"


    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle44496.htm

    Pilger is correct.

    as far as dissidents in the arts..at least in Hollywood..the minute you step out of line with your political views..the phone stops ringing. I publicly criticized Israel a few years ago..went to a few pro-palestine rallys..and lost my agent, and almost my career over it. Still haven't gotten back to where I was. Anti-Obama-ism, for most of his term(s) was the same. imagine it's much the same in other areas of the arts. People have mouths to feed..and Actors/writers/directors haven't had much courage since the days of McCarthy. This is a realm where no-talents like the Kardashians are multi-millionaires..
    It was not all that long ago, that one single man controlled almost all of Hollywood for almost 50 years.
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    John Pilger discusses the nuclear reality / threat past and present , as well as asking,

    "What has happened to the great tradition of popular direct action, unfettered to parties? Where is the courage, imagination and commitment required to begin the long journey to a better, just and peaceful world? Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"


    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle44496.htm

    This is a great piece and certainly worth the read.
    I agree 100% with his take on liberal politics and Hillary being elected will probably mean the worst for the world.


    He opens up with how the Bikini islands were nuked over a ten year period.


    As a member of this forum and one who delves into sometimes hidden agendas. It is talked about by Phil Schnieder that the reason the Bikini islands were bombed was because of a "grey" alien base there.
    I have never heard this theory substantiated by anyone else, but I'm a Phil Schnieder fan, so I still hold out the possibility that there is truth to it.
    If anyone has heard another source mention this I would love to hear of it.

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    John Pilger discusses the nuclear reality / threat past and present , as well as asking,

    "What has happened to the great tradition of popular direct action, unfettered to parties? Where is the courage, imagination and commitment required to begin the long journey to a better, just and peaceful world? Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle44496.htm
    This is a great piece and certainly worth the read.
    I agree 100% with his take on liberal politics and Hillary being elected will probably mean the worst for the world.


    He opens up with how the Bikini islands were nuked over a ten year period.


    As a member of this forum and one who delves into sometimes hidden agendas. It is talked about by Phil Schnieder that the reason the Bikini islands were bombed was because of a "grey" alien base there.
    I have never heard this theory substantiated by anyone else, but I'm a Phil Schneider fan, so I still hold out the possibility that there is truth to it.
    If anyone has heard another source mention this I would love to hear of it.
    I'm a Phil Schneider fan, for exactly one lightning strike of potential truth. One part of his story that will not go away.

    The alloy artifacts for craft hulls. His description of them, his possession of them.

    I can't really say more than that, but, his samples fit the model of the requirements for anti-gravity and dimensional craft. Perfectly.

    And one cannot randomly arrive there, at that type of sample, when trying to bull**** about things you know nothing about.

    NOR..would any group that has it's hands on such technology place such samples OR any form of correct direction of such ideas...INTO the hands of a planted shill. Not going to happen, at any price. Scientifically literate members of the public might see it... and begin to figure it out, and that cannot be allowed.

    For me, this is the irreducible point in his story that will not and cannot go away.

    If one starts reading from the point I'm linking to, in modern science and applications... and then to the last (most recent post), then they will possibly see what I mean. I'm outlining the same considerations, applied differently. In hard science. SSDD.
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    Default Re: JOHN PILGER ASKS, Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    John Pilger discusses the nuclear reality / threat past and present , as well as asking,

    "What has happened to the great tradition of popular direct action, unfettered to parties? Where is the courage, imagination and commitment required to begin the long journey to a better, just and peaceful world? Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?"


    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle44496.htm

    This is a great piece and certainly worth the read.
    I agree 100% with his take on liberal politics and Hillary being elected will probably mean the worst for the world.


    He opens up with how the Bikini islands were nuked over a ten year period.


    As a member of this forum and one who delves into sometimes hidden agendas. It is talked about by Phil Schnieder that the reason the Bikini islands were bombed was because of a "grey" alien base there.
    I have never heard this theory substantiated by anyone else, but I'm a Phil Schnieder fan, so I still hold out the possibility that there is truth to it.
    If anyone has heard another source mention this I would love to hear of it.
    I can't remember the name of the website, except that I read this a long time ago when the alternative community had not yet been as I nfiltrated by deception and shills the way it is today. Maybe late nineties.
    Vivid description and imagery of how those nuke blasts blew UFOs into all directions, according to those who witnessed the explosions.

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