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    I also wanted to further clarify that what we would call devas or gods in terms of Hinduism and other Polytheistic religions, would be known as tirthankaras in Jainism. Their species does not matter, they could come from any sentient form, including human or humanoid. The point is, that they managed to conquer the samsara, the cycle of death and rebirth, through their own spiritual efforts and act as teachers to others, to help them escape this illusory world. Whether they are are blue, green, red, pink or black, two or four-armed, really doesn't matter. It is their spiritual nature that marks them out, not the type of species they come from. The devas basically act as spiritual teachers of this particular Solar System, helping those that seek them out ascend, or move beyond the illusory world.

    At least that is one interpretation. Others, particularly in Buddhism, would argue that the devas are actually lower beings (in terms of density and spiritual development) and the tirthankaras (or buddhas) are well above them. I think both interpretations have merit.
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    Agreed. "Deva" just means Luminous Being, "Uthra" to the Mandaeans. There are over 300 million kinds. Various ones can be more or less beneficial, hence a bit of work to clarify "Dharmapala", or Enlightened Protector of Dharma, from a Lokapala or Unenlightened Worldly Protector, and the Dikapala or Directional Guardians/Gatekeepers (Four, Eight, or Ten per set).

    This made me hugely concerned about the Pehar. It is hard not to see that as pure necromancy supported by the Gelugs as state oracles. We'll try another go-round on them soon. I don't know what else to call trance-possession by a ghost that depletes vitality.

    There seems to be some confusion about a Blue or Wrathful reflex of an enlightened being, and a Wrathful that is either unenlightened or even unable to be. So this has a lot to do with the "classes" of beings. Although one could say that an individual Nirmanakaya or Dakini or Deva is a "being", in meditation, they only describe parts of one's own being.

    In the case of Enlightened Wrathfuls, Buddhism accepts the use of Hindu Mahavidyas. And so far, what I have found by trying the new or special set of occult correspondences, is that, in Namasangiti stage 1 & 2, the Mahavidya has the same meaning as the Skandha/Buddha. And then in stage three, the Namasangiti itself literally employs the identical Mahavidya that landed there (Blue Sarasvati). I am finding it to be a very auspicious "distillery" which, with explanations, probably does contain everything else.

    On the other hand, the Esoteric Book of the Dead recently mentioned, is more or less the same kind of project I am doing with Namasangiti. One of the differences is that it makes at least eight whole books, whereas we just have chapters. Also, it seems to carry forward "49 Days" as a literal unit of time, and "hearing on the after-death plane" literally, both of those being rejected here. And then it looks to add an Alice Bailey teaching of the Rays, which we have completely erased. The original Ray teachings had absolutely nothing to do with those, and are so obscure, I haven't gotten very far with them at all. So it is good for bringing up more details than Evans-Wentz, but after that we diverge.

    Added for Pehar: Alice Getty, 1914 Gods of Northern Buddhism

    Said to have been five brother kings from north Mongolia. In Tibetan, Five Sku, which means Five Kayas, but usually rendered as Buddha, Dharma, Sangha, Guna, Karma. Called the Nechung chon jon or Nechung Chohans, Protectors of the state oracle. The Oracle reincarnates and then is called Choi Chong.


    Bi-har (Pehar), the special protector of monasteries, who rides on a red tiger.
    Choi-chung, incarnate in the state-oracles, who rides on a yellow lion.
    Dahla is the tutelary god of warriors, and rides on a yellow horse.
    Luvang, the god of the Nagas, rides on a blue crocodile.
    Tokchoi, rides on a yellow deer.

    In this form they accompany the thirty-five Buddhas of Confession. When alone, a pehar may be on a camel, ram (T'sangs-pa) or goat.

    The president of the Five Kings is said to be identical with the fourth guardian of the world, Dhritarashtra, and is also claimed by others to be the president of the Four Lokapala.

    HPB gave three rankings of Lamas:

    "Soothsayers", allowed to marry, not clergy, not part of the Gelugs and not found in their areas. We found that all of the Newari and the leaders of Sakya are Vajrayana Tantrikas, who can't be monks and do get married. A Tantrika or Ngak-pa generally cannot be a monk at all.

    "Astrologers" from tsigan, "gypsy", called Tsikhan or Chakhan.

    She says the Choichong, the initiated lamas of Gurmakhayas Lamasery near Lhasa, are Initiated Esotericists, which are confused with the sorcerors of the Bon sects. Then she implies that the being or King Choichong is a Dhyan Chohan. Inconveniently, she then gives Bihar-Gyalpo as "a king deified by the Dugpas". So there seems to be a pretty bad mix-up about this.

    Schlagintweit put Choichong and Ngak-pa (expert in charms) in with the "astrologers". Choichong are all educated at Garmakhya. He calls Choichong Gyalpo a god. There is nothing in his bit to suggest ghosts or wrathful nature. He comes across a bit snippy towards Kalachakra implying that it was pulled out of thin air, and HPB reacted virulently against this, but besides placing Choichong above the astrologers, she doesn't bat an eyelash about the godlike part.

    A 1902 encyclopedia places Armenians and Russians in Lhasa, and says the convent or monastery Moru is filled with uneducated Choichongs that marry and practice black magic. It says most monasteries keep one of these around, who are not really part of the order. This apparently goes back to Marco Polo.

    Lha translates Deva; Lha-pa, oracle, deva person.

    Broadly, choi-chong (Ch-os-skyong) or drag-gseds include almost all Hindu entities as wrathful Yidams and Dakinis, such as Yama and Kuvera (Dzam-bha-la or Nor-la), also known as Vaishravana who emerges from syllable Dzam; a guardian of Akshobya. Pehar is called the ‘Goatskin Great Coat Clad’ (Ra-slag-can). In Spiti, red robes are used for the red-colored spirits (including the btsan) and white robes for the white deities (including those of the chos-skyong and chos-lha classes).

    Nechung was running for centuries before being officially recognized by second Dalai Lama. Since then, at least, the oracles are always monks. The relationship of Dalai Lama: Oracle is Peaceful: Wrathful and Commander: Lieutenant. It is not an Enlightened Protector so not a Refuge Object. Pehar is considered Karma Family and an emanation of King of Speech. There is such a role as Chief Ritual Assistant to the Oracle, which is perhaps what Koothoomi was doing; the rituals only occur a few times a year.

    The Horpas, an ethnic group that lived east of the Kokonor Lake, originally worshiped Pehar. According to another source, a Bön (indigenous shamanistic tradition of Tibet) general by the name of Tara Lugong brought back the worship of this deity when he seized a meditational center near Kanchow of the Bhata Hor, a tribe of Uighurs, towards the end of the 8th century CE.

    13th Dalai Lama did make a sweep of numerous swindlers and fake oracles, leaving the state oracles of Nechung and Gadong, Dorje Shugden from Trode Khangsar, Tsangpa (believed to be the peaceful aspect of Setrab; is Shan-pa or Brahma) and the Tenma oracle from Drepung. He then received some bad advice and British soldiers made advances around 1904. People speculated that Pehar had been replaced by something else. Tenma is the lady oracle of Tsering Chenga, Rangjung Neljorma – self-arisen dakini Khadro-la, she is famous today. Dorjee Yudonma, one of the twelve Tenma goddesses; five Tsering-chenga, mountain goddesses of the Everest range. Another one is Tsiumar, leader of bstan demons, who took Pehar's place at Samye.

    The 13th was installed in 1879 at age three and tutored by Aghavan Dorzhiev. He did not assume power until 1895. The prior four Dalai Lamas all died young and so Panchen assumed a greater role. The 12th banned Europeans from entering Tibet due to British attacks in Bhutan and Sikkhim.

    The 5th notably made the Choichong more important or institutionalized them, and attributed the Pehar to Buddha Families, and this may have had a lot to do with Mongolian power plays taking place at the time. This was the same guy who suppressed Jonang.

    1892 Glossary of Tribes and Castes of the Punjab states that Garmakhya and Moru were the major magic colleges of astrology and the occult, with licentiates called geses and doctorates called rahjampa or lharamba However, occult adepts are called Choichong. All three can be lamas. It then tosses in the Mongolian terms hobilgan and chutuktu and includes the Dev Raj of Bhutan as a chutuktu, and reinforces the notion that the "red hats" are against the yellow. These two places are named right after Drepung, Sera, Ganden, and I can't figure out what they are or were. Rasa Thrulnag Tsuklakang ("House of Mysteries" or "House of Religious Science") was the Jokhang's ancient name, Rasa being the goats used to haul away earth, later changed to Lhasa.

    Modernized: Geshe, Ramjam (including Lharam, Tshokram, Doram, Ngaram) degrees. Kazhi or Kachu is also a degree. These people could give lectures, e. g. Ramjam Shepa Tson-kha-pa. A Geshe Lharam could go to Gyume (Megyu) or Gyuto (Uto Jampeling Monastery ), the tantric colleges: five years to become Ngaram Geshe. Ganden Tripa was the highest office. 13th Dalai Lama made college compulsory for people with the two higher Geshe sutra degrees. Retired college heads called Choje, Dharma Master, are the candidates for Ganden Tripa.

    There is also Sera Ngagpa and Drepung Ngagpa tantric college. Panchen Lama created Kalachakra colleges (advanced in math and astrology) at Tashilhunpo and Dukor Dratsang. None of this information is obscure, and nothing matches the 19th century names Moru and Gurmakhya even faintly.

    We have spelled Chohan about four different ways now, and it means the Gyalpo Ghost, a black magician, and an educated lama who reincarnates, i. e. tulku. But we did find a Kazhi or Kachu could be the Katchi or Kutchi of Lhasa. From Kachen Zhi (dka' chen bzhi), four important, difficult topics: Vinaya, Pramāṇa, and Hinayāna and Mahāyāna Abhidharma, the first academic degree. So instead of being an Islamic merchant, the implication is that Koothoomi had something like Associate of Arts in Buddhist Studies. Outer achievements have only so much to do with the Inner Path. At least we can see doing tantra with Tson-kha-pa does not consist of grabbing a spotty copy of Book of the Dead and pulling the rip cord.

    Gurma means Tibetan Esoteric Songs so maybe two words, Gurma khaya or khya.


    The Lokapala or Four Great Kings (Dhritarashtra, 'Defender of the Area' in the east;
    Virudhaka, 'Noble Birth' in the south; Virupaksha 'Ugly Eyes' in the west; and
    Vaishravana, 'Son of He who has Heard Many Things' in the north), at the request of Kashyapa, were reborn at the time of Buddha.

    Dvarapala or "Gatekeepers" are lower than these; higher than them are Krodha Vighnataka or Vinayaka. Those were originally Hindu of a demonic nature, and were elevated to higher devas, related to Ganesha or Ganapati.

    Ganesha, "group leader". Gandharvas are the Celestial Musicians whose sound conveys the esoteric sciences to man. They are in charge of the Soma plant. Ganadevas inhabit Mahar Loka, govern our Kalpa, so are called Kalpadhikarin. They last only One Day of Brahma. Mahar is the Fourth Loka or same as the plane of Kama Loka. Ganesh does not have a physical planet but is associated with Ketu.

    Mantra: May Well-Being come to those who remember Sri Vinayaka
    May Swasti (Well-Being) come to those who remember Sri Gananayaka (Leader of the Ganas or Celestial attendants), Who has the Auspicious Face of an Elephant; Who abides as Moreshwara (at Morgaon), and Who abides as Siddhida (Giver of Siddhis) (at Siddhatek),
    2: Who abides as Sri Ballala (at Pali), Who abides as Vinayaka (Remover of Obstacles) at Muruda (Mahad) and Who abides as Chintamani (Chintamani, a Wish-Fulfilling Gem) at Thevara (Thevur or Theur),
    3: Who abides as Girijatmaja (Son of Devi Girija or Parvati) at Lenyadri, and Who abides as Vigneshwara at Ojhara (Ozar) where He is the giver of abundant Boons,
    4: Who abides as Ganapati in the village named Raanjana (Ranjangaon); May He always bestow His Auspicious Grace on us.

    HPB says he is Egyptian Thoth (Sirius) and Anubis (Sirius)--Ring-pass-not. I believe that means Buddha and a trip to the Underworld (Talas). The Eight Vinayakas are Ganesha's pilgrimages.

    It is difficult not to surmise that the Five Oracles of Tibet are the Theosophical Chohans who were the Masters of Tulku Morya and Koothoomi. In their own words, the Chohans are the disciples of Bodhisattvas Amitabha Padmapani --> Panchen Lama, and Avalokiteshvara --> Dalai Lama.

    It is also accurate to say that almost all exported lines of Buddhism are more or less just lineages, but the thing that has actually been installed by the Tibetan Gelug order is the Chutuktu or Hobilgan of Mongolia, originally Zanabazar, an incarnation of Taranatha. This would presumably be a third Human Bodhisattva.

    So Mongolia has equivalents, in fact we may gain this from Biography of the Kanjurwa Khutughtu. He says he invokes a choijung (dam sring, dam is samaya or oath, as in yi-dam), a Dharmapala, or in Mongolian, sakighulsun. He says it is not even an element of Buddhism, but comes from shamanism. It takes a special kind of lama to do it, but none of the more orthodox ones will get involved. He believes the choijung were evil until submitted by Lobon-jugnai. He says the Dalai Lama's oracle used Palden Lhamo and sometimes swallowed an ounce of gold. In Mongolia they would skewer themselves or others with a sword without harm. Sometimes if a mistake was made, the sword would be thrown into a wall; or if successful, it would be tied in a knot. This was common since ancient times. According to him, the only difference between lamaism and shamanism is the use of oaths.

    The protector of Kublai Khan's royal family and the country was Doghor: Bodhisattva Usnisa Sitata Patra, or White Parasol.

    There were seven Khobilgan (tulku) lines; they did not act collectively, but each one was more powerful than any monastic official such as an abbot. Whereas the oracles were called gurtum. The Khobilgans were very mobile and often associated with multiple monasteries.


    Dhritarashtra is said to be the chief Pehar. In Buddhism, Dhritarashtra is the chief of the Gandharvas. Whatever sound he hears is turned back, causing harm to whoever produced it, therefore he covers his ears with his helmet and plays a stringed instrument so that he will not hear any other sounds. He is even considered a Buddha in the Mahavastu.

    In a prior life, he had been a Naga, son of Kadru. Also, he is a major character in the Mahabarata, whose wife is Gandhari. She was the daughter of Subala, king of Gandhar, which we call Kandahar. She was the sister of Shakuni, the sorceror who started Armageddon, but she has some of the strongest morals in the whole story. She blindfolds herself to be like her husband. One out of her hundred sons survive, and in the end she goes into a trance and self-immolates in a forest fire along with Dhritarashtra and Kunti as a form of penance.

    The King had gone to crush Bhima with evil intent, but Krishna instantly replaced Bhima with a metal statue of himself. He crushed this statue, releasing all his anger and apologizing for all his folly. His name means "a good king" and he was born blind due to a fault of his mother.

    In Vajrayana, Ganapati Maha Rakta is Great Red Lord of Hosts or Ganas, an emanation of Avalokiteshvara. Also called Vinayaka, sometimes shown being trampled by Mahakala or Vignantaka without appearing distressed.

    The class of Vinayakas merge into one Vinayaka. The Vinayakas are as bad as elementals and pisachas, and when they lose this nature they are called Ganeshvara Vinayakas. Other names of Ganesh are Vighneshvara (Lord of Obstacles), Dvaimātura (one who has two mothers), Ekadanta (one who has one tusk), Lambodara (one who has a pot belly, or, literally, one who has a hanging belly).

    He has 32 incarnations. Eight of them are named as important. He now shares a name with Little Snake Tara who handles kundalini.

    Lambodara corresponds to Śakti...The purpose of this incarnation is to overcome the demon Krodhāsura (anger). His mount is a mouse.

    This last statement really contains a lot towards explaining Krodha or Wrathful Deities and kundalini, after finding Lambodara as Snake Goddess and him sharing the name with this meaning. Ganesh is associated with root chakra. So then if the first part is right, Pehar is Ganesh. The Golden Rosary of Tara says that it was she who subdued mischievous Gandharvas at Mathura. We happen to have already identified Mathura with the solar plexus which is the first appearance of Lambodara Tara.

    Ganesh is named Buddhipriya, Fond of Buddhi or even Buddhi's Husband. He is oṃkārasvarūpa or the sound of Om, mystic celestial non-sound, lord of the hosts of all of it: (O Lord Ganapati!) You are (the Trimurti) Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahesa. You are Indra. You are fire [Agni] and air [Vāyu]. You are the sun [Sūrya] and the moon [Chandrama]. You are Brahman. You are (the three worlds) Bhuloka [earth], Antariksha-loka [space], and Swargaloka [heaven]. You are Om. (That is to say, You are all this).

    Lambodara is Snake Tara pacifying turmoil so the silent or unstruck sound will arise. The Gandhari wife is Virgo or the hidden Seventh Shakti.

    I can't explain the mediumistic thing at all. It's possible that with the Pehar of China, that Mipham and the Oracle were using it as a class name, like Gyalpo, King Ghosts, so it may have been a different individual. They are called kaya which suggests Nirmanakaya and accompany Family Race Buddhas of Confession.

    On the 8th, 14th, or 15th days of each lunar month, the Four Heavenly Kings either send out messengers or go themselves to see how virtue (the key to rebirth in their world) are faring in the human world. They then report the state of affairs to the assembly of Trāyastriṃśa devas. Their concern is that they have sufficients ranks to repel the onslaughts of legendary enemies.

    Although the Four Kings are called Lokapala, they do not seem to be so in the living organism as are the similar groups in the Hundred Deities. Instead, they have a corresponding function for the whole Kama Loka itself.

    The kings inhabit Cāturmahārājikakāyika, the lowest level of Kama-Loka. They protect the second level, Trayastrimsa, the final level related to the physical world. The six heavens are, in ascending order, the Heaven of the Four Heavenly Kings, the Heaven of the Thirty-three Gods (Trayastrimsa ruled by Sakra, who is Indra, including Visvakarman, Matali, and Suja, Sakra's Asura wife), the Yama Heaven, the Tusita Heaven ("Contentment", ruled by Maitreya), the Heaven of Enjoying the Conjured (Nirmanarati, ruled by Sunirmita and Visakha), and the Heaven of Freely Enjoying Things Conjured by Others (Parinirmita vasavartin, ruled by Vasavartin and the lair of Mara). Esoterically we would add a Seventh Heaven.

    Avatamsaka does portray Buddha preaching on those same planes of Kama Loka but I am unable to find "Territory of Doubt", which, by implication, would be the lowest anyway. Devachan, where one is born in a lotus bud, is really one of Five Buddha Kshetra, Buddha Fields or Pure Lands, the central being Akanistha Ghanavyuha. Celestial realms having terrestrial equivalents. Sometimes the celestial is called Sambhogakaya, the central being inhabited by Nirmanakaya Vajradhara. And yet the Celestial Realms can be called the highest kind of Nirmanakaya, Nature, sometimes manifesting as Dakinis; the second is Supreme, incarnating Buddhas and Bodhisattvas; and then Diverse, which is any emanation including inanimate objects that benefits sentient beings.

    Buddhaguhya's Six Akanisthas

    Kshetra literally means "field" and a Kshetrapala is an unenlightened protector of an area of land. Buddha Kshetra are the Celestial Pure Lands protected by Five Wisdom Kings or the Dharmapalas. Kshetrajna is embodied spirit or the reincarnating principle, higher manas. Vajrayogini has the Khechara Pure Land.

    Pure Land is probably the seventh heaven. Akanistha is the highest heaven of the form realm. According to Mahayana, buddhas first reach full enlightenment in Akanishtha, and then manifest enlightenment through a nirmanakaya body in the human realm...also refers to the pure sambhogakaya field from which emanate all pure nirmanakaya fields. It reaches down to the highest level of form gods of the Fourth Sphere, i. e. kama-loka, up to the dharmadhatu and the inconceivable. Includes a secret place of a secret consort and secret kaya. Akanistha has the same underlying meaning as Anuttara, nothing higher; so at the beginner stage, it is samadhi.

    Ghanavyuha (Dense Array or Secret Adornment) is the name for the entire last section of Avatamsaka, removed and distributed independently. So this Sutra must be indicating seven planes of Kamaloka; Ghanavyuha Akanistha is the highest plane of all the Form Realm and the term connotes directly into non-form, or encapsulates everything from Sambhogakaya on up; or Sambhogakaya, Perfect Manifestation, contains the Unmanifest.

    Thangka depiction:

    "...according to the Kalachakra Tantra. The central horizon delineates the 'three worlds' of existence that are above, upon, and below the earth. The horizon itself represents the surface of the Earth, with the central island of buildings and trees representing our world system with its human and animal inhabitants. The upper half of the painting shows a side view of Mt Meru and its various ascending heavens or god-realms, while the lower half of the painting displays a semi-circular plan of the vast discs or mandalas of earth, water, fire, and wind that support our world system in the immensity of space. Warring asuras and aquatic nagas inhabit the first yellow and blue half of the earth mandala, while the second yellow half shows the first of the eight great hells or 'joyless realms'.

    Mt Meru itself is shaped like a vast inverted cone with its four faces coloured: sapphire-blue on its eastern face, ruby-red on its southern face, golden-yellow on its western face, crystal-white on its northern or rear face, and green on its flat summit where the heavenly realm of Indra is located. Rahula and the Four Great Kings appear on Meru's red face, and above are the palaces and trees that form the 'neck, face and crown' of Meru. The groups of four ascending coloured bands above represent (along with Indra and the Four Kings) the remaining four of the six 'desire god realms'; next are the four levels of the sixteen 'form god realms', and at the top are the four 'formless god realms'

    Appearing as a guardian at the base of Mt Meru is the great planetary god, Rahu (Rahula), 'the seizer', whose dark shadow causes eclipses of the Sun and Moon. Rahu is brown in colour, and draws a bow and arrow with his two arms. His fierce upper body is adorned with countless eyes, his lower body has a coiled serpentine tail, and his nine wrathful faces are crowned with the head of a black raven.

    Standing upon the upper terraces of Mt Meru are the Four Great Kings, who appear as armour-clad warriors that guard the four directions: with yellow Vaishravana at the top centre (north); white Dhritarashta to the right (east); red Virupaksha to the left (west); and blue Virudhaka at the bottom (south). And seated upon Mt Meru's green summit are the eight dikpalas or 'lords of the eight directions', who protect the heaven of the 'thirty-three' (Skt. trayastrimsa), which is ruled by the great god Indra and his retinue of thirty-two attendant gods. Indra is partially shown behind Mt Meru's 'neck', where he abides in his divine city known as Swarga.

    The heaven of the 'Four Great Kings' and the heaven of the 'thirty-three' form the first two classes of the six 'desire-god realms' of the Kalachakra cosmos: with the other four sensual desire-god realms being represented by the first four horizontal blue bands that ascend above Mt Meru's summit. Ascending above these four blue desire-god realms are the sixteen heavens of the 'form-gods', which appear as four different coloured layers, each consisting of four horizontal bands, that correspond to the progressively refined elements of earth, water, fire and wind. And above these sixteen levels or realms of the form-gods are the four supreme levels of the 'formless gods', which appear at the level of Mt Meru's 'crown' and represent the element of space. The Tibetan names of these five variegated four-fold levels, which represent the twenty highest heavens of the form and formless gods, are inscribed across the top of each four-fold group of levels.

    Standing upon the billowing rainbow-coloured clouds on either side of Mt Meru are two groups of five gods that hold various auspicious offerings, such as banners, parasols, mirrors and musical instruments."

    "Horizon" or "Upon the Earth" of Human Realm, Nirmanakayas, is the middle or 4th sphere, related to Kama Loka. It has Form Spheres below it and Formless spheres above it. Each of these Lokas reflects into a Tala or effects realm wherein Wrathful Deities occur. Above, Human, and Below, are the kinds of Goddesses.

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    Her spelling of "Bas pa" (Secret Doctrine) has most likely been "improved" to sbas pa. For instance: "...the Nyima Bepai (nyi ma sbas pa) system of Tārā from Danaśīla." Or Vajrasana is also "Puṇyākaragupta (pu n+yA ka ra gu pta / bsod nams ‘byung gnas sbas pa / dge ba’i ‘byung gnas sbas pa, dge ‘byung sbas pa)". Here, it carries over to Gupta, which is Guhya or Secret (gsang actually translates Guhya). Padmasambhava made "Hidden Lands", sbas yul, for future seekers to find treasure. Sbas yul 'bras mo ljongs, a hidden valley of Sikkhim. Spas pa'i rgum chung, Small Collection of Hidden Precepts (or Seed for the Cuckoo's Call of Awareness) by Buddhagupta from Tun-huang, discovered in 1980s. Nyer sbas pa, Upagupta.

    Guhyagarbha Tantra comes out as rgyud gsang ba'i snying po. Gsang yum is a "secret consort": Tertöns in particular are said to require a spiritual consort who is considered to be an indispensable aid to the discovery and decipherment of termas. In fact, if they do not find the right consort to support them, their discovery might become impossible, difficult, or even threaten the life of the tertön, as was the case with Pema Ledreltsal who died soon after the discovery of his terma because he did not meet the right consort.

    Guhya and Gupta or gsang and sbas pa are very similar but must have some technical difference. Guhya mostly relates to mantra.

    Tibetan Sangs-rgyas for "Buddha" is two words meaning both "awakened" and "open, expanded". Bodhi and Vishnu, or Vibuddha.
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    I think that all planets exist in all densities, if you are familiar with this Law of One term. Density is a signifier of the vibratory frequency of each material, or created thing. Basically whatever is part of Maya, the illusory universe. Ra, of the Law of One describes each density as akin to an octave, it is a band of frequency described by its harmonious nature, which has seven suboctaves and so on.

    In this interpretation the planet Vaikuntha likely exists in all densities. The beings that are like Vishnu, exist on a higher density and would not normally be visible to us, hence the requirement to transmute the body into a higher density, before going there. However, if we could find a way to get there in our third density bodies, say via a starship, or a portal of some sort, we could still walk as humans on the planet, but we wouldn't be able to interact directly with members of the Vishnu species. At least that's my interpretation...So there really is just one Vishnu and one Ra, in terms of their consciousness, but they exist in many different bodies and forms, across many densities. They share the same divine mind and consciousness though.
    Sorry I missed this one earlier.

    Yes, this is more or less the same idea we are getting at. Instead of "densities", generally the term "Lokas", or "Worlds" are how the Vedas convey this. The Sun Gayatri at the bottom of page 12 is perhaps the oldest tradition for it, and used by many early in the day for purification. The lowest Four of these have Form, the higher Three are Formless with no relation to what we know as Space. And correspond to ever more refined states of matter. Vishnu took Three Steps and filled all the Worlds. There is not a fraction of Space unfilled by him.

    The highest form or body of man is Illusion Body. On higher Bodhisattva levels, it is said to be able to leave the Solar System. Prior to that, it would be able to visit for example Venus or Jupiter, which exist in all the Worlds as well. If I got a ride to Jupiter in my normal physical body, then no, I likely might not be able to find the actual residents.

    If we saw a million Vishnu Avatars filling the sky, they would be one. By Vishnu, we mean One Mind that awakens in the higher Lokas before any kind of cosmic formation takes place. It is the Chidakasam or bare field of consciousness without any forms in it, but containing them all in potential. And then it flows through branches and spheres of limitation and is the ocean from which, any other type of consciousness is like spray temporarily rushing out. These by-products may go under Maya and increase the "out into matter" fall, or calm the turbulence and focus on the Mind's origin or Life. In this way, hopefully we do meet Vishnu from within.

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    I think that all planets exist in all densities, if you are familiar with this Law of One term. Density is a signifier of the vibratory frequency of each material, or created thing. Basically whatever is part of Maya, the illusory universe. Ra, of the Law of One describes each density as akin to an octave, it is a band of frequency described by its harmonious nature, which has seven suboctaves and so on.

    In this interpretation the planet Vaikuntha likely exists in all densities. The beings that are like Vishnu, exist on a higher density and would not normally be visible to us, hence the requirement to transmute the body into a higher density, before going there. However, if we could find a way to get there in our third density bodies, say via a starship, or a portal of some sort, we could still walk as humans on the planet, but we wouldn't be able to interact directly with members of the Vishnu species. At least that's my interpretation...So there really is just one Vishnu and one Ra, in terms of their consciousness, but they exist in many different bodies and forms, across many densities. They share the same divine mind and consciousness though.
    Sorry I missed this one earlier.

    Yes, this is more or less the same idea we are getting at. Instead of "densities", generally the term "Lokas", or "Worlds" are how the Vedas convey this. The Sun Gayatri at the bottom of page 12 is perhaps the oldest tradition for it, and used by many early in the day for purification. The lowest Four of these have Form, the higher Three are Formless with no relation to what we know as Space. And correspond to ever more refined states of matter. Vishnu took Three Steps and filled all the Worlds. There is not a fraction of Space unfilled by him.

    The highest form or body of man is Illusion Body. On higher Bodhisattva levels, it is said to be able to leave the Solar System. Prior to that, it would be able to visit for example Venus or Jupiter, which exist in all the Worlds as well. If I got a ride to Jupiter in my normal physical body, then no, I likely might not be able to find the actual residents.

    If we saw a million Vishnu Avatars filling the sky, they would be one. By Vishnu, we mean One Mind that awakens in the higher Lokas before any kind of cosmic formation takes place. It is the Chidakasam or bare field of consciousness without any forms in it, but containing them all in potential. And then it flows through branches and spheres of limitation and is the ocean from which, any other type of consciousness is like spray temporarily rushing out. These by-products may go under Maya and increase the "out into matter" fall, or calm the turbulence and focus on the Mind's origin or Life. In this way, hopefully we do meet Vishnu from within.
    You got that right!

    The only thing I would add is that tri-loka, the three-fold world refers to an identical concept all over the ancient world.

    - Heaven or the Upper World. This can have different meaning, but generally refers to space. Anything in space is considered Heaven. There is a deeper esoteric meaning as well, in terms of going into a higher density and ultimately beyond the physical, created world of Maya altogether. This is the realm of the Gods, Angels, Fairies, etc...

    - The Middle world, or the world of Humans. This refers to the surface of planet earth, which we inhabit.

    - The Underworld refers to the world below our feet. Specifically, the concept is that there is an entire other civilisation, just as large and extensive as the surface world, which exists deep under the earth's crust. There are various gateways through which one can descend. We call this the Abyss, from the original Sumerian world for the underworld, Abzu. According to the Hindu concept of the underworld, it isn't necessarily a hellish place, a lot of it is very beautiful and populated by various magical beings.

    However, this is also where the Hindu Hell is located, as is the Sumerian one, the Kur. As you descend deeper and deeper towards the centre of the earth, some sort of dimensional shift happens and you enter the world of the dead. This is where most souls end up after death, according to Hinduism, mostly to be cleansed, so they can be reincarnated later. Achieving Moksha is about escaping this endless cycle of reincarnation.

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    Yes: Tri-loka is the widespread exoteric teaching. While accurate and the very important beginning of occult knowledge, the full occult spectrum is Seven or Sapta-Loka. HPB was ordered to start teaching this in 1879; Koothhoomi was not even allowed to mention it until 1883. The Gayatri of Seven Lokas is nothing but an expansion of the original Three.

    The general expansion is: Three Formless Upper Worlds -- One Visible World -- Three Lower Worlds of Form.

    The One Visible is ruled by Kama--Eros and mostly "hooks to" the three Form Worlds. So you have a Formless Triangle over a Formed Square. This is a significant key to our whole system.

    The main riddle at the beginning of spiritual journey is Kama-manas: the tendency of mind to look at form and desire it, versus the ability to let go and turn inwards.

    The Lokas or Worlds are spheres or planes that everyone is in, while in Buddhist meditation, the Seven are applied to Inner Path.

    HPB calls Kama-manas the Sixth of the Buddhist Shad Ayatana--lower manas or "Human-animal soul". Below that is Form itself, or Space and the Four Elements. The Sixth has various names such as Vijnana Skandha, Mano-vijnana, Manasikara, and is tied to the senses, and known generally as the "Sixth Sense" of mind.

    The seventh inner teaching is Klishta-manas. Dual manas is only correctly explained in the esoteric works. This seems to be the debating or sticking point between different schools or philosophies. The one we are trying to go with is not exactly "Tibetan Buddhism", because all the Tibetans made were Commentaries. Koothoomi's version instead is directly tied to the old Ceylonese system, so if you look at Kalachakra, it still represents Six, whereas the Lankavatara Sutra I believe mentions Seven.

    Parts of Nepal and Tibet gained the secret teachings starting shortly after the time of Buddha, and later again when the schools in Ceylon and Orissa were suppressed.

    Klishta means "defiled", or at a basic level, "colored". In the Patanjali doctrines, Vrittis, whirlpools in the chakra--nerve system, may be colored or uncolored. These Vrittis are also called samskaras, and so when taken as a whole, they are the Samskara, primarily caused and conditioned by one's Will--Volition (Kama).

    Hence relief from Samskara consists in no longer coloring Karma with the personality and the Vrittis cook off colorlessly.

    From what I could gather so far, Klista-manas is really the full occult explanation of the very basic Buddhist Four Noble Truths.

    A hundred years ago, Chohan was said to be a made-up meaningless word, and now I think we have drawn out its meaning and stuffed one of the posts above with the story of Ganesha. And overall he is Ketu the Dragon's Tail, root chakra or the south pole of the whole human system. Not the root as in the lowest, most dense, the way it appears to be made, because Dragon's Tail is the direction we have caused by Karma; everything we think and do; potentially the root of spiritual growth; when progressed, the Compassionate Means or Karuna of the Divine Androgyne of Karuna-Sunyata, which is not usually inherent to man, but produced by the spiritual Path. And Right-Hand Path means to shield the evil influences that would normally come from the south pole and hence control Ganesha.

    This is much the same as the Formless nature of Kama-Eros, which is not to sense sexual separation and flood with Desire (Kama), but simply is Svabhavat or Life itself with the divine desire to produce a garden of purified prana in its Jivas or individual life forms. Also seen in the "Two Halves" of Daivi Prakriti, which is the manifested energy of this nature, which unmanifested is the Formless Fire of the Central Sun.

    So we have both Sapta Loka or the full set of worlds or planes of experience, as well as Sapta Marga, or a path through seven stages or degrees which is the inner practice. Kama Loka or Mahar Loka being the Fourth World, related to the Visible Human Sphere and Kama-manas in man. After death, one goes through a "struggle" here--swooning--the main importance of the Bardo Thodol Hundred Deity map of the aura--and then one proceeds through the Heavens enumerated above (unconsciously in a chrysalis), understood as different densities or an octave of matter of this world--and if the winds blow one to Mara and one is too defiled, you will be tossed out of the Loka into the Talas--wrathful subjective shadows of what you have made. If not, you will find your way to Amitabha's Deva Chan.

    Vishnu is most associated with two things: the Serpent Ananta who is Infinite Time and lurks at the bottom of the Talas. And his "vehicle", or the way he associates with manifestation, is the Bird Garuda who is Finite Time and its cycles. So when we see the bird chopping the snake to pieces, this is the division of time, or frequencies. He can kill snakes (end cycles) over and over and they will keep coming back because they are infinite.

    Bhagavad Gita is an unusual chapter about Krishna in the Mahabarata, which is not about Krishna. The "Bible of Krishna" is Bhagavata Purana, also called Srimad Bhagavatam.

    Here, Vishnu's supreme abode is given as Dhruva or Pole Star. Occultly, this is our "center" and the thread to higher stages, consistently referred to in terms of North, Uttara. From Uttara Kuru or the north country source of the teachings, Lokottara Vada or World Transcendence School, to the point of Anuttara Yoga which is "unsurpassable union" or saying that nothing is further north from here.

    Mt. Meru in this Purana is quite similar to that in Kalachakra.

    Manasottara is the path of the Sun around Meru in one year. This "mountain" surrounds the Earth planes of Bhu Loka. Surya's chariot is initially driven by Aruna, "reddish of sunrise" indicating he may only drive for the first part of the day. The Horses are the Rays, which, as sounds, are the seven meters of poetry: Gayatri, Ushnik, Anustup, Vrihati, Pankti, Tristup, and Jagati.

    The spiritual origin of the Ganges is from Vishnu's Vamana incarnation when he took Three Steps to fill space. His toenail poked a hole in Heaven and the waters came out, directed by the sage Dhruva, and so its origin is Dhruva mandala.

    The Sapta Rishi Mandala, seven sages of the Great Bear, revolve around Dhruva; Vasistha--Mizar is a binary star with Arundhati--Alcor (Sandhya, twilight, and the morning star Venus-Lucifer), or the chaste one from the Pleiades who could not be fooled. This symbolism is a major component of Hindu marriages.

    Arundhati--Alcor is the astrological equivalent of the Seventh Shakti, whose other Six go off into Taurus, or the Bull Nandi, mount of Shaila Putri or Snow Daughter, who is again the same symbol but fully manifested on Earth. Virgo or Gandhari, the wife of Ganesha who is Buddhipriya, Husband of Buddhi. As a noun, Buddhi is feminine, and so the energy, Daivi Prakriti, is Sophia, Shekinah, and the Holy Spirit--the marriage of Manas to Buddhi while still on Earth, the goal of our efforts and initiations.

    If you chart the Great Bear around Dhruva for four seasons, you will get a swastika.

    The Sun's southern motion is Dakshiyahana (Right Hand) and northward is Uttarayana; it moves from Capricorn--Makara to Cancer--Karkataka.

    Within the Manasottara are the Seven Continents (containers) of the Earth Plane, above it are a few abstract layers leading to Lokaloka or Loka-Aloka, World No World, the boundary to other Lokas. Vishnu, with respect to Earth, remains in Lokaloka. He empowers the Loka-palas, the Four Kings, and the Four Elephant Kings, presumably the same who bathe Kamala. Kamala associates to Venus, and her name means Lotus which is the Buddha Family that will arrive after her initiation.

    This assimilates to Ganesha. Or, the primordial powers, Elephants, are broken down into a zillion mischievous Gandharvas--Tara calms them and Elephant-headed Ganesh arises as the chief of these and of the Four Kings. Unstruck Om marries Virgo or the Seventh Shakti, Gayatri or Savitri. The mystery of sound which occurs in Akasha or Space.
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    Just a small thing I would add to that. I think the Sapta-loka refers to the chakric system of the human body, not necessarily the architecture of the universe. Of course if you imagine the universe as Purusha, the universal man, it makes a certain amount of sense to assign a ruling chakra to each part of his body.

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    Both: microcosm --> macrocosm. As above, so below.

    For a human, chakras would be the inner wheel of the body; Lokas are the outer wheel of the environment. Are those related, yes, pretty closely.

    Seven Lokas may be more clear, if you look at the basic three as Formless--Desire--Form. Expand that to Three Formless, Desire, and Three Form. Then, Desire or Kama Loka is our fourth plane, physical being the lowest.

    This fourth plane is our main concern; the matter of it constitutes the Illusion Body. This may be projected to any Form World, including earth/physical. We say that our principles on the middling Form planes--the astral double and the prana or chakra system--cannot really be separated and used as bodies. Separation means death. You can do a little bit with the double, not much, so we don't pay a lot of attention to it.

    From recently needing a solar plexus shield, some good details came up for that level, and proceeded into a whole lot for the Fourth or Kama Loka. We are needing to explain the Wrathful Manjushri of Death, and, although I'm a bit sketchy about "Oracles", we got a lot more that explains Wrathful Deities and Gandharvas to go in the fourth step. And this dovetails exactly with occult access of higher chakras. Which is very different from the kind of plain, or even raw, way I have experienced it.

    The Seven Cities idea is the chakras of India Purush if you will. So far, changing their old associations fits quite well. Vishnu chakras are the Dhyani Buddhas and Buddha families or the Secret Wheel. If one gets a good understanding of Vishnu, then Buddhism isn't really much different--it's just that instead of dwelling as much on how the world was created, it presumes all that and goes into greater detail about the Practical Path of Raja Yoga.

    The underlying idea is that nothing exists without some combination of the seven elements, and so it scales from an atom, to man, to the solar system. And, provisionally speaking, the teaching really only applies to human beings incarnating on this planet. If we're a different type of critter, or we are incarnating in the Kama Loka of Mercury, it would be different.

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    I did some tinkering and it's coming together a bit better.

    There is only a little bit to say about Dhyani Buddhas, and more about goddesses. Because the goddesses are the ones who actually give initiations, and the Dhyanis are mostly passive. And this ties Buddhist tantra in very well with the Vedic system, especially when the classes are arranged. It states quite precisely what they are, summarized in the simple terms Mother, Sister, Daughter. Nor do we have to swim in "Shakti has many forms but it's all one", since each aspect pertains to distinct things, all states that must be comprehended and mastered.

    Sati made Ten aspects (Mahavidyas) at once, to prevent Shiva from leaving. This is a pre-cosmic, Root or Mother state; later on, Sati is blasted to pieces and invested into the Earth, and Parvati is her next incarnation.

    Parvati is Material Shakti, who manifested Nine Durga Forms at once to slay Mahish Asura--a main source of death and wrathful style meditations. These Durgas come up as what we call Sisters.

    Analyzing cosmology and meditation, Sister goddesses initiate one into what Buddhists call Sambhogakaya. Completion of this is mastery of Maha Loka or the Kama Loka. Then when you see deities in Sambhogakaya form, they are prefixed with Maha. Also equivalent to Mahatma, which, from Bhagavad Gita teachings, is a level of union with Daivi Prakriti. So this has already relied on a number of Daughters to provide the potential. The Daughters are "on" or "in" the Human World--Mt. Meru or Kama-Loka--and from the point of view of consciousness, we invoke these first, in order to deal with the Sisters, who paradoxically appear lower or just within Form itself.

    It's misleading since the term "Daughters" suggests lower and hence material, but in essence, it just means the first part of the Path, Mantra-born Nirmanakayas. And the Tri-Loka doctrine might also suggest they are Earth or material, but really meaning Kama Loka. The "Sisters" are lower in terms of Form, but in terms of consciousness, dealing with them is a higher stage.

    The Kama Loka sub-planes are the goddesses in reverse order from meditation and are "Mara's candy" or temptation by form. So in the Yama Heaven, beings satisfy Kama by having sex. On the next higher plane, they are satisfied by hand-holding. On the next, by looking at each other, and then, by smiling at each other. So the goddess meditations and initiations are completely backwards from the levels of Kama. You build concentration until you are able to stand in the Yama level unaffected. This is why we have Wrathful meditations, to force or flush out even the subconscious tendencies to get stuck there. Mara's highest temptation is not sex, but the satisfaction of doing nothing yourself and having all desires fulfilled by others. The meditations essentially descend through sub-planes of Kama Loka until landing at Yama Heaven, and only success there would release the process, allowing access to the upper or Formless Worlds above Kama Loka. You start by "Smiling" at a Daughter and eventually work your way down to the bloodiest nemesis Yama has to offer. These, I believe, are the first four stages of Namasangiti: rising through all the lower form worlds (Bhu, Bhuvar, Svar) by descending the heavens of Kama Loka until everything balances and meets on the fourth stage of Yama.

    So the actual "rising" is through goddess empowerments, not by rising through subtle perceptions of the Kama Loka itself. If I just look at that World, I would think that the higher sub-planes are more ethereal and I should go there, whereas in fact this is actually Mara cheating you out of Sambhogakaya, which does not derive from the use of subtle senses, but from the activity of consciousness or the Path.

    Sambhogakaya exists on the highest level of Kama Loka, and this is not even mentioned in the system of Six. The other levels in Kama Loka are not any kind of goal or destination. Even Maitreya's Tusita heaven is not a place to go; that is where Bodhisattvas awaken before taking birth in the physical world.

    This Wisdom is called "Mirror", which says a lot about "reversed" motions, and the relation of higher to lower via the Fourth or middle plane.

    By changing the exoteric structure of Forces and using an occult one, the goddesses arranged in a way that seems to fit wonderfully. The underlying basis is to present Seven: each chakra and World treated individually. Nava Durga or the system of Nine adds Rahu and Ketu: one serpent split in two, which are the North and South poles of the system of Seven entities. Das Mahavidya or system of Ten adds the Tenth for both poles and all seven states as one unit. Thus, the two poles and the synthesizing unit come up for the Trinity or permanent existence that underlies every Seven-Rayed Manifestation.

    I think this illustrates a bit of the difference between treating Form as a representation of the divine, versus using the Path to transcend it. That's basically why I took the Seven Chakras/Worlds and gutted the Form-related nature of the Rays, and then arranged the Rays with occult light. Instead of ladder-stepping up the degrees of matter or the senses, it is doing so within, or as consciousness itself.
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    It has blown my mind.

    I plugged in some unusual combinations from occult color and some hunch guesses about the Seven Cities.

    I figured I would get a few steps in, and that it would start spitting out random syntax, without connections and generally usurping the meaning.

    However it fits seamlessly.

    It turns out that Durga is the key to the whole mystery, and she caused an uninvited guest to appear. I couldn't have made this system if I tried. There is absolutely no way that for example on stage Six that Desire Eyes and Scraps would mean anything at all, except that they work flawlessly with the arrangement. As for the guest, I had no plan to include him, but it turns out he is too powerful and finished everything for me.

    So it's worked up by goddesses because they confer initiations. The Buddha or male is nothing other than the mind or Purush of the meditator, the goddesses are the experience. Haven't really added much Buddhism or dealt with the Namasangiti itself, because those things are already set and can be added or linked.

    By using color to set the planets in the exact order they are in, rather than eight massive volumes with questionable Alice Bailey rays, instead, the entire occult path is on one page, expressed in the milieu whence it arose. This could not be seen if done by the exoteric formats, it would fall apart. I kept expecting that to happen while going through it, but, instead, it's coming more clear than anything I have ever seen. It is still meaningless without some groundwork in Hindu astrology and Bodhi mind, but once you have that, it's very direct.

    From the Kagyu point of view, we can give out Guru Yoga, and you can add Vajrayogini to this. At that point you need an empowerment, but, her method is simpler and more direct than the rather convoluted maze of tantra as usually taught, and it really does take you the rest of the way. So if we use this, both Groundwork and Deity Yoga can be accomplished much more swiftly than any other way.

    I've got her in a puddle right now because information is sparse, but, the framework of her is completely appropriate for where the system placed her. The guest gave us two more tantric Catuskotis in addition to the beginning one, which I had no clue about. Every new thing and difficult-to-find detail has been the puzzle piece needed. No contrivance on my part whatsoever. Just using Theosophy to bridge the apparent wide gulf between Buddhism and Hinduism; now there no longer is one.

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    It turns out that Durga is the key to the whole mystery, and she caused an uninvited guest to appear. I couldn't have made this system if I tried. There is absolutely no way that for example on stage Six that Desire Eyes and Scraps would mean anything at all, except that they work flawlessly with the arrangement. As for the guest, I had no plan to include him, but it turns out he is too powerful and finished everything for me.

    So it's worked up by goddesses because they confer initiations. The Buddha or male is nothing other than the mind or Purush of the meditator, the goddesses are the experience.

    It is interesting that you should mention goddesses and Durga in particular as the key to the Mysteries. That has been my experience exactly.

    I don’t know if you are aware, but I’m channelling Durga’s Sumerian precursor, Inanna. I connected to her by contemplating her image and the various artefacts associated with her worship in the British Museum. I used to visit her regularly and she reached out to me when my life was in great difficulty and danger. I was experiencing a difficult Kundalini Activation and was near death or insanity when she came to me, in person, and healed me.

    She cleared and burnt the Karma that was blocking my Kundalini from rising beyond the heart chakra. She caused my Kundalini Shakti to rise all the way to the top and break through to the Sahasrara. That was 6 years ago and I recently developed the ability to channel her directly. Before that, our contact was mostly energetic and in the form of exchanging a limited amount of emotions, ideas, images and sometimes she showed me visions. She also appeared to me as Mahakali once to demonstrate that there is no difference between her different forms.

    In any case I go into a lot of detail about that in my own thread, just thought I’d mention it. I don’t want to hijack your thread, so if you have any questions to us, you can ask it on my own thread or PM me, we are happy to answer any questions you might have.

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    That sounds like her role. Not simply indispensible, but there isn't any other option.

    I thought I was about done sketching Namasangiti, however, it has changed when reaching the point beyond her. Durga concerns form and, as far as I can trace the association, is the Sister goddesses of tantra. There were a few other entities who showed up uninvited that pertain to activity beyond the Sahasrara Chakra. Consequently, I had to unfold Agni Yoga, and it indicates the remainder of the Path or irreversible Bodhisattva stages, which, for what it's worth, appears to merge Buddhism with Agni, Nath and Vaishnava, although that is a very simplistic way of putting it. Because Durga is an expansion of Parvati, it makes sense that she gets retracted in order to face the Mother level. She's doing something special as Gauri. Namasangiti 7 starting on post 247 unfolded something completely new and then Agni comes in at post 257. He took two posts to even figure out, and I have reconstructed his major Homa. Agni was our invitation to something very special. If you get Durga, it may be worth reviewing this disassembly of form and journey above the Akash.

    It's mixed with old notes so, still kind of messy but I tried to show the separation.

    Tantra specifically teaches that goddesses give initiations, and tracing that route unfolded all the connections. It has been mind-blowing again to find what Buddha actually taught, why the Durgas are presented in this specific order (Shaila Putri was first), and then what is actually going on with Gauri. There is not much left to add other than some subtle teachings. The hypostasis of forms is incredible once you get the alchemy of how it works. And if understood and done right to begin with, people will have no trouble with kundalini as others of us had. The main basis of goddess activity should be clear by Namasangiti 3, and it is worked up to the point where Nath seems to run out of explanations.

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    Considerably more tweaking has been done.

    I am trying to squeeze the system into an intro post at the bottom of page twelve and then two pages with the information and practice.

    Phurba and Wind Horse came in pretty straightforward. I faced Agni and was able to bring out most of his natures and reconstruct the Fire Homa. It's not something most of us could literally do, but you can do an Inner Homa at special times. This is akin to doing a Wrathful practice at special times, which makes those energies available for daily use. Agni was pretty difficult and had to start from the standpoint of figuring out the difference between Havyahana and Havyavahan and things like that. After some work, it seems indeed to be a very profound rite, itself probably the oldest recorded ritual and also recommended by Buddha as Inner Homa, the example being in post 263. It usually takes a post or two to hit the ground for a given topic and another to summarize. So instead of just saying "This is the Fire Homa", at least some of the background and development is visible. Unlike Mrs. Bailey who simply told us "This is Agni", we can see some of what went into it, and if the real Homa looks like her Cosmic Fire, so be it, but I got something else from it. I was forced to include deities that were not part of the plan, because they belong here and have an extremely occult function, which is very clear.

    A slightly bigger mess is the pile of Taras and the special meaning of Vajrayogini. Importantly, they both relate to the subtle body: Tara mostly referring to knots in it, and Vajrayogini mostly enumerating the parts of it. In both cases, we find that no two lineages are in agreement. Buddha said there are twenty-one Taras, but he did not name them, and only gave a few forms. Since the scope of this project is trying to clarify the doctrines of Vikramashila--which is indicated by the NSP, Nishpannayogavali, and the Sadhanamala, I re-iterated the list of Taras as closely as possible to those sources.

    I found several discrepancies between the Sutra as given by Buddha, and the Tara lists, especially the Tibetan ones.

    The first sloka refers to the original emanation of Tara; everybody knows these were White and Green forms. Almost every list gives a Red form instead; no explanation as to why this would be.

    One of the slokas mentions Tara in the Earth-touching or Sparshabhumi gesture, which is typical of Akshobya, but I cannot find a classical Tara in this pose.

    Another one describes her in Amitabha's Family with a Crescent Moon in her hair. There are none to be found that match this.

    So I matched Indian Taras to the slokas as best as I could. Instead of getting a Tibetan list of ones that may have been conjured to fit the need, you get several pre-Buddhist and even pre-Vedic deities, which conceivably provide a Path from a basic one to a more advanced kind such as Vajra Tara, who appears to require multiple established deities and mastery of some of the early stages.

    "Green Tara" is of course available at a basic level and I think you can start her any time without even a guru commitment. As far as "which" Green Tara this means, well, I hung onto Suryagupta's "22nd" Green Tara who is supposed to be the source of all the rest. A general meditation or protector without messing with the subtle body. This one could simply be called Arya (Noble) or Vasikara (Magnetic), but also the Khadira form is suggested here. She's quite more esoteric than Arya. This outer Green Tara is supposed to be different from the Prajna of Amogha-siddhi, who I'm not sure has a name, but there are more Greens that could possibly go there. These are portrayed in post 274.

    Dharmadhatu Vagisvara Mandala is unique in its teaching of Paramitas and Dharinis. Some of the Taras and other goddesses are used therein.

    Whereas Tara could be said in many cases to be an older deity used mostly in the same way, Vajrayogini is not. Most simply, she is Varahi, who in older practices is worshipped almost exclusively by Vamachara or the left-hand path. So then to call her Vajravarahi, harnesses her and uses her in a Buddhist way, so, we won't actually be eating human carrion, unless you really want to. Buddha re-arranged a few older deities. Mahadeva was having sex constantly, and when Buddha showed up, Mahadeva and Kalaratri stopped and pledged themselves to Dharma. In this act, Buddha beamed out twenty-four mandalas of Chakrasamvara and Vajrayogini, which became Sacred Places. In another act, he destroyed the violent Rudra, whose body became the Eight Charnel Grounds. So far it looks like Kalaratri is the challenge of entering Sambhogakaya, and then afterwards, we stand on her, meaning that Sambhogakaya becomes the grounds or basis for further practice.

    I don't agree with the sociologists who believe that trampling a deity or cutting its head off is meant as a disrespect or as a battle against someone else's lineage. Mostly I think they indicate lesson learned and transcended. Once you look at it that way, and interpret every kind of battle and the killing of enemies as directed against one's own ego, even the Jihads and Crusades would become esoteric. You have to remove any validity of this being directed against another person, just like Wealth has to be understood as Wisdom instead of material riches, and almost every outer thing has to be re-mapped as an inner challenge or victory. We can't condone casting anything at the world besides protection and blessings.

    And then on twenty-four or thirty-two Sacred Places, no lists match. I don't see much value in maintaining a list of physical locations as synonyms for parts of the physical body. We are more interested in repairing and vitalizing our subtle body, so will only focus on yoginis as they relate to the subtle.

    Although no list is the same, they tend to agree that four sites are the most important or powerful: Kamarupa or Kamakhya Pitha, mentioned previously; Uddiyana Pitha, also mentioned; Purnagiri, also mentioned; and Jalandhara. These are again the same Pitha sites as when we are talking about the distribution of Sati's body.

    Old research seemed conclusive that Uddiyana meant Kashmir or Swat Valley, but now it is mostly seen as Orissa, which seems more likely especially if we consider Charchika and Jagganatha. Uddiyana Pitha is almost definitely the source of Red Tara, and there are not many of those. However, if Protector Narasimhi (Pratyangira and other Lion Face forms) is based on Red, she comes up relatively early, and if we get to Vajravarahi, then you have to have Red. The most basic tantra involves her multiple colors and Activities, and, at least at the basic level, this is clarified by the third mandala.

    I have tried to get it where the topics either link or refer to the posts of continuation. I have tried to avoid making new posts, though it will probably soon be helpful to scoop out the blocks of preliminary notes from places where they no longer belong. In any case, we are closer to a look at the "original attempt at a universal system", having collated many examples of missing or unused texts, and the general academic ignorance of it. Again, for example, there was no research in the Nepali system until 1995. After a couple centuries of translating Bodhi as "Enlightenment" or Bhagavad Gita as "The Lord's Song", we are now in a different position, and can do a bit more than rely on the Tibetan or Japanese canons of literature.

    I will try to keep cleaning and clarifying. I'm not going to write up a twenty or forty page Vajrayogini Sadhana; I think all that needs to be added is a bit more about her and the subtle body and maybe some of the profound things about the advanced mandalas.

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    Going to rustle up some additional Agni material. The interest here is that this is more or less the primordial Vedic deity and rite, which must be supposed to pre-date the written Veda for countless ages, has been carried forward in direct succession, and is wholly enfolded into Buddhism. Not in the sense that Buddhism has Agni temples, but it does numerous fire rites (Homa), and it does accept and encourage an Inner Homa. Even under close inspection, Buddhism remains almost the same thing as a type of Hinduism, just with a different motivation and furtherance of the Path.

    Homas are clearly expounded in many Buddhist Vajrayana texts, such as Manjushri Mula Kalpa, the Root Tantra or Guhya Samaja, and Maha Vairocana Abhisambodhi.

    The main emphasis about most of the gods or devas is that they are of Kama Loka, conditioned by Karma and rebirth, which Buddha is not. Generally, the patterns of descent and conflicts amongst deities represent evolution from Chaos into succeedingly lower planes and the building of more complex forms, so the same name can appear as its own parent/child, which makes no sense in physical terms, but refers to slight variations from the state of absolute rest into activity. With the evolution of four gross elements (earth, water, air, and fire), these result from desire (for touch, taste, etc.) and are present in equal quantity in every physical element, with variety coming from the varying intensity of their qualities. That is why we say no single atom exists without all of the factors. An atom is something like striking every key on the piano, some faintly, others louder.

    At the start of the first eon, the first fire is called Abhimani Agni. His generations start with Pavaka, which has frequently been called Electric, but also Ocean. Buddha did not fully elaborate all the existing Fires, which we have already tried to compile from the Puranas. He described a few, and said that the one to use in a Transcendental or Lokottara Homa is Mahendra, which produces physical beauty and strength, and perfects or completes Jnana or Wisdom. I don't recall this one as listed in the Puranas, however, due to its golden color and its meaning, it seems largely the same as Lakshmi, or at least the primordial Lakshmi, as we found she "twists" the male and female deities into different partnerships to work in the worlds of form. This is in tandem with clairvoyance, which explains that the nature of Sambhogakaya, or the higher part of Kama Loka, is an inverse negative of our world. The Voids themselves are only attainable with Sambhogakaya as the foot hold or floor so to speak, this is the transcendental Path of Vision and Knowing, whereas the approach to Sambhogakaya is the mundane Path, which can be accomplished by Raja Yoga in general. Mahendra is a title of Indra, obviously not the same as Lakshmi, but I was able to find her in the Formless worlds, and made the association; Indra being at most, chief of the gods in form. Indra received many mantras from Buddha, so he, so to speak, holds powers of others who are above him.

    According to "Homa Variations", there are four principal rites, which turn out to be identical with the Four Activities of Tara: Pacification, Prosperity, Subjugation, and Destruction.

    Mahendra mostly pertains to Prosperity, generates kindness and happiness in the minds of beings, brings prosperity and freedom from disease. Vahni--the name we found related to the flying Dhisnis of the Kritikka or Pleiades--pertains to knowledge of Suchness or Tathata, one of the Three Voids.

    According to Abhayakaragupta, there are Four Hearths which correspond to the Activities: a Peaceful (Householder) Hearth is round, white, in the East; Subduing is a half-moon (or vajra), red, in the West; Prosperity (Oblational) is square, yellow, in the South; Destruction is triangular, dark blue or black, in the North. This changes the Vedic tradition which did not include a fierce or destructive hearth, and shifts their placement. He says, however, that the arrangement is changeable, and would go one way to represent the Dhyani Buddhas, would use a hundred and ten to show all the minor or branch activities, and would be countless if honoring all classes of beings. For Vidya, the hearth would be formed as the mudra of the Family; for the great mandala, like a wheel; All-encompassing or Sarvakarma is square.

    There are many variations, Kalachakra has its own way, and none of these are beginner instructions: they all pre-suppose an enormous knowledge and practice. So it is with the whole tantric system: there is no single place that explains it from beginning to end.

    The aim here is to extract the main basics about the subtle body and initiatory Activities. Most of us are not going to build multiple brick hearths every few months, and I'm not going to do a single thing to encourage any practice to obtain money or suggest using mantras to cure pneumonia, whereas these mundane or material kinds of things could be valid for a real Vajracharya who has to deal with every possible problem for a whole village. We are after a kind of portable, universal wisdom that anyone can learn and do anywhere, which aims at controlling all the lesser hindrances and opens the evocation of transcendental experience. Homas are fully integrated into the Nepali Newar system and used extensively for a multitude of reasons, including Chakrasamvara and Vajravarahi initiations. Transcendent or Lokottara Homa is said by them never to be used for any mundane object. This is the style that would visualize the burning away of one's body, in much the same way as the Chod rite visualizes death and feeding the body to inhabitants of charnel grounds.

    Buddhism has very little emphasis on individual chakras, their bijas or seed syllables, and elaborate details as done in most other yogas. It looks more at the connections, i. e. channels, nadis or nerves, which, in sentient beings, mostly squeeze each other closed and are basically dead or at least unused. So while we have a major emphasis on the Throat Center, it is not quite the chakra directly, but the introduction of purified prana from the solar plexus and heart, and then the use of the throat to re-distribute into the higher head centers, requiring use of the connecting nerves. Mantra is the main necessary ingredient to perform the higher degrees of transcendence.

    The central channel or Avadhuti is reckoned to be nothing in ordinary sentient beings, but with proper development, becomes the Hermaphrodite or Pandaka. Main branch nerves are Lalana and Rasana, which expand to twenty-four or thirty-two major nerves. Of the drops or bindus, Bodhicitta is white or cool at the top or head of these. Candali is warm and red in the belly or solar plexus. Ambrosias or amritas are the transmutation of gross or sensory inputs into bliss.

    The Inner Homa is to burn the sacrificlal items in Prabhasvara or natural luminosity of the transcendent mind. The items being the sense inputs and Skandhas. The psychological Skandhas, or "bundles", purified and filled with Wisdom, become Kayas, not exactly a body, but specifically a vessel cultivated and produced by Bodhi or Wisdom.

    Other titles of Agni include Sikhin, Hara, Shiva, Ishana (the Sun and Rays), which with Mahendra and others are the potency of Agni as Celestial Fire (Suchi). Aditya categorizes them as Infinite and Formless, splitting into Vasus or "sparkling gods" which become its activity on earth and the support of forms. Amongst these are Satya--Dharma (Order), whose son is Kama Agni. Vayu or Movement produces Terrestrial Fire or Vasu Agni.

    Aditi or Aditya refers to Infinite and Formless Space, Diti or Ditya to the finite and conditioned. And to a large extent, the role of the meditator is in uniting the "two halves". One of these being Bodhi or Wisdom which consists of everything good and holy, but this does not exist in isolation. As explained by Tara, the first impulse of life is to eat, to destroy whatever it finds. This hunger, unaided or unguided by a wise human being, results in little but wild animal behavior. It is equally necessary and just as divine as anything, and all we are really doing is sort of re-orienting it so that it eats and destroys maya and ignorance. This gives increase to the second half, transcendence or conscious use of benign enlightening power, Bodhi. These may be called Mitra and Varuna, Varuna being the Dark All (Night, fierce) which is the basis or background for Mitra.

    Buddha's full enlightenment consisted of supreme mastery of Fire, Agni. So as well as being the source or impulse of all manifestation, Agni is also the highest mystery and final threshold. What Buddha found was a final stage which itself was not reached previously by the philosophies and practices then existing. There are only a tiny few explanations about this (Jatakanidana, Mahavastu, Lalitavistra, Sanghabhedavastu being some). Most religions would guide you to see, honor, submit to, or in other ways subordinate yourself to the original deity; here, we are going to know it omnisciently and use it omnipotently.

    The first phase of that night were the Dhyanas of form, the formless Dhyanas, and direct insights (abhijna), which were basically the existing practices he knew and did, without having a specific body of doctrine. So this is called the mundane path and attainable by any non-Buddhist yogi. Knowing of his teachers strongly indicates that he was trained in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, and he was aware of the Jains, but he toned down the extreme asceticism they are famous for.

    He gained knowledge of all past lives and siddhis or powers. He then gained this knowledge in relation to other beings and the way in which it happened according to their karma and mind. Finally he gained knowledge to stop the influxes or defilements (Asrava Ksaya Jnana), hence, the Four Truths and the Twelve Niddanas or causes of rebirth. Sensation and perception ceased; this showed the nature of non-arising or Anutpada Jnana. He saw all these in forward and reverse order. The Path makes these complete and perfect; done by other methods, or in a Buddhist method without ultimate success, one gains partial knowledge of past lives, and sees those of others without completely understanding their minds and karma.

    So Sambhogakaya (body of enjoyment, or really bliss generated by Bodhi) corresponds to the fourth mandala of Namasangiti. The remaining parts run as Dharmadhatu, or the Womb of Wisdom, Tathagatagarbha; Vajradhatu, which "reveals the arising of Buddhas in world systems where there are no Buddhas", and then the seventh, Vajradhara, is extremely profound and subtle. Occult color aligned Mother Varahi with that, and we found that the Buddhist Vajravarahi is very much a reversal of the common Varahi worship. Nevertheless, she is still the embodied radiance of Ananta at the bottom of the Talas, or utterly black hellfire. Again, this pertains to the infinite and dark, which is completely normal, natural, and part of the Path; clairvoyance shows the Third Void as dark. Meditation, so to speak, flies her from that origin, into the Sun, or Marici (its life-giving power instead of dehydration), at a level where we find a practice of interacting with the Solar Celestial Fire. This removes the final, subtle vajra ignorances.

    Again, chances are, when one is able to enter the Mirror Wisdom of the fourth mandala at all, you will seem to be launched way, way beyond that point. It is possible to glimpse one or all of the Voids, or to find the Archetypes in the Akash. This is why there is such a detailed, pragmatic view of the Path, because any of those experiences are profound and persuasive enough for one to believe them to be ultimate and final.

    Well, not that much new here, just kind of a brief recapitulation of things already spelled out in enormous and dense detail. The Puranas are indeed difficult, especially when you attempt to compare them, and there is nothing brief about them, and translation is very challenging. Yet these are unavoidably and inextricably mixed in to Vajrayana. So far, I have tried not to approach the "big names" like Shiva and Kali, and these have not really forced their way into needing a treatment. Others, such as Agni and Lakshmi, really have demanded further insight. Not for the Preliminaries but in the later stages. Most of that would not directly be found in Namasangiti, however, the value of this text is in that it fairly directly shows or at least allows a system of Seven Wisdoms or Seven Dhyanis, which nothing else really does. You could take a much larger "System of Six" and perhaps imply a seventh, but this one is relatively brief. For which reason, it is more or less a key, which takes volumes of supporting information to operate. Thus I arranged it with occult correspondences and a mass of material from other schools. Also, since it is considered a "lower tantra", it is perfectly ok to use meditations based on it--for the most part, don't generate a deity as yourself, and don't place deities in union. We can't do this with Chakrasamvara or Kalachakra or most of the others, which require a human guru, school, and initiation. This one is suitably "portable" and you can do or at least learn about it at your own pace.

    Most of what I am presenting is out of pdfs or frames, so there is no way to link it, and almost all of the websites stick to a particular book/school/teacher, and I never heard back from Byoma Kusuma, who seems to be one of the only people to have discovered what was stated 140 years ago, i. e. the virtual identity of the profound understanding of Buddhism with the profound understanding of Adwaita, which is the main link that allows this kind of grand unification of schools that are thought to be opposites if not outright enemies. But you know, this was really Guru Nanak's motivation to create Sikhism, considered the world's newest religion: pressed between warring Muslims and Hindus, he found that there shouldn't be conflict, but none of those people followed the real or true meaning of their religions. Curiously, although the Himalayan Brotherhood takes members from any religion, they are limited in direct influence; Subba Row said that South India was not under the Chohans' commands. But Koothoomi, in reply to some English aggravation at the dirty, unwashed Asiatics, stated that "our highest adepts are greasy Tibetans and Punjabi Singhs (Sikhs)", which suggests the Sikhs are pretty closely under the Himalayan wings. Which is extremely odd, seeing as how, at least exoterically, Sikhs constantly refer to the Creator, which is disavowed in Tibet and India, sounding more like Islam. So you would think they would be about as distant from Buddhism as possible, and, although the exoteric version sounds unlikely to produce Buddhas, again, like many other paths, it sounds well capable of at least raising a person to an adept level.

    He also said they would never produce any "new priestly hierarchies", so pretty much anything newer than Sikhism has nothing to do with them. It's just not something you can pick up and do. Buddhism you certainly can. It intends to have a community, it is much better that way, and it is both spreading internationally, as well as being something that an isolated individual can pick up and practice and really, derive much benefit from, although I wouldn't call it a religion. All it is, is Transcendental Wisdom together with Skillful Methods.

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    Possession

    I was possessed recently and killed kittens.

    This may sound like someone getting really mad and using their hands or teeth to attack something, but, I don't mean a physical possession. I mean the mental one as explained by Yeshe Tsogyal--White Vajrayogini: "When the mind embraces any outer object, it is in the grip of a demon".

    The difference is the same as Koothoomi's red blood--seen externally--versus yellow blood--or seeing light transmitted through it. So, in dealing with a lot of animals, of course I see their bodies, but this is secondary to something like the Paramatma view of seeing pure life forms in their hearts with thoughts and feelings. So, I'm usually very aware about kittens and I knew that they were there.

    Someone else got involved with what I was doing and went about it in a rush, in a pushy manner based on using force on external objects--the very normal mundane hurried way people do things all the time. Which is mentally poisoned, and contagious. I got caught up and started doing the same thing and only seeing external objects. The change in the state of mind was from peace into a confused blank. By the time we were done I was moving robotically. I forgot about the kittens, forgot to even check for them, and ran over several with a big truck.

    They died because I lost control of my mind and it was pulled into dumb material forces. So this is what we really mean by demons. They are in the mind. Those same demons if controlled by inner light are harmless. But it is completely my fault--not theirs--that the light got turned off--and the responsibility for the evil deed is with me, not them.

    One is usually weaker than we like to admit; chances are it takes very little to make us angry or stupid. One may grow stronger over time, but, more frequently, situations like this are examples of why contact with other people has to be highly regulated, and how threatening they generally are to the "setting up of conditions"--the normal mundane mind is quite the antagonist to Bodhi. Conditions currently are dire. That experience was one of the fastest "shut downs of everything" and the most horrific shedding of innocent blood I have ever done. I loved them.

    So I was really weak there, I gave up Mindfulness for five minutes due to the influence of a human being, and that's all it takes for demons to slip in and say truck--drive--go and death follows. We could just say accidents happen to critters and be done with it, but it really does illustrate numerous aspects of the Path.

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    Fratres Lucis

    We've had quite a few things come up probing into the nature of Rosicrucians and the like and their influence in Europe.

    From the Eastern view that I hold, some of them are seen as taking our doctrine and cloaking it into safer Christian terms, and/or following an Esoteric Christianity, which was still current until Eliphas Levi. Some of these people and/or Masons and the like, have been sorted to rate them from the genuine, to confused seekers, to deliberate falsification. After Levi however, HPB pretty much nixes the Golden Dawn progression and reveals that of the East.

    One of her authorities for European topics was Kenneth Mackenzie, who, around 1850, claimed to have been initiated in Fratres Lucis in Hungary by a figure called Count Aponyi, who remains unidentified.

    His version of F. L. therefor cannot be shown in continuity with the older one; it was popularized in England by Major Irwin (English Rosicrucian), who claims to have scryed the ghost of Cagliostro and been assured its origin was in fourteenth century Florence as a magical college. There are doubts because the "middle" F. L. version is German.

    For the story of its background, around 1348, Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV granted a charter for the University of Florence. 1438 was the opening of the Platonic Academy there involving Pico della Mirandola who found manuscripts in the Etruscan town Perugia. And 1530 was the beginning of the Maltese Falcon wherein H. R. E. Charles V (the last papally confirmed or crowned emperor--although electors mostly just ratified Hapsburgs) granted that country to those who became known as Knights of Malta. It is possible this group later was taken by the Jesuits. At this time they were a powerful military force and relatively independent from the pope. Later, Pinto in fact kicks the Jesuits out and uses their wealth to start the University of Malta. He also used St. Germain to rebuff an infiltration from Adam Weishaupt with bankers and priests. But we can find a bloc forming here of Prague--Florence--Malta even prior to the famous Rudolf II.

    A version of the F. L. Degrees or Ritual is available. The Theosophists (Isabel Cooper Oakley, Theosophical Review vol. 22) got their information out of the estate of Count Wilkorski of Poland. Within the material it specifically uses the term Theosophist and states its headquarters are in Asia, and that Blue or St. John's Masonry is the only authentic. The year they give to Fratres Lucis Florentine birth is 1498. Isabel's version of the Hidden Tradition in Masonry also refers to Crata Repoa, in the 1770 German version, which may have had a Venetian original, published by Humberto Malhandrini in 1657--which unfortunately is only known to HPB and the name does mean rogue or trickster.

    It is also true that around 1780 a "Jewish tolerant" F. L. operated by von Ecker was taken up by Sabbatai Zevi and hence Sabbatean Frankism grew here. Germany was resistant to Jews entering Masonry, there was a major issue from around the 1830s about this, and Prussia remained the most resistant area afterwards. Jewish-Masonic conspiracy theory was pretty feverish across Germany and peaked in the Bismark Reich.

    In the 1800s the Hapsburg troops supported the Pope and that's who HPB was shooting at in the battle of Metana. And they are largely reviled today as globalists. Oddly, there is a 1913 letter from an Austrian Theosophist lady which is all about the Peace Congress. She believes most of their problem is due to multi-ethnic border provinces, of which, they claim to have more than anyone, about ten nations they have to pacify. However she also claims that they all love the Hapsburgs and that Franz Josef should be known as the all-time peace-loving Emperor.

    Crata Repoa was a hugely influential ritual manual being Egyptian, which no one understood at the time as the Rosetta stone had not been found. Nevertheless, it is a seven degree system with planetary correspondences and so forth, which makes it a version of the same thing I have done with Namasangiti using the Aryan-Buddhist system. HPB took it relatively seriously and related it to the Mysteries of Thebes as well as the Book of Job, also a book about initiation. She describes it in Isis Unveiled and near the end of Traces of the Mysteries.

    Nevertheless it is seen as almost spurious. However both Crata Repoa and the F. L. document are the spine of Golden Dawn. Well, it could be semi-spurious, in the sense of not being transmitted directly from Egypt. The 1770 version is often thought to be the result of those Germans combing all the neo-Platonic sources such as Plotinus and Iamblichus, taking every note about initiation they can find, and assembling it together.

    What seems likely now is that it appears, up to a certain point, the original Knights of Malta or Knights of John the Baptist were, similarly to the Templars, initiated into the Johannite tradition and operated a magical college as demonstrated by Pinto initiating Cagliostro. This obviously was in conjunction with the Holy Roman Empire or at least Hapsburgs and Medicis. After the Knights of Malta's defeat by Napoleon, the Jesuits were back in power. This leads to a complicated situation wherein HPB fights the pope in order to help Garibaldi put the monarch Victor Immanuel back in power in Italy.

    In 1848, his father abdicated in order to stop revolutions and Franz Josef became emperor. After defeats in the Second Italian War of Independence and the Prussian war of 1866, Franz Josef's popularity came in 1867 with setting up Hungary as a dual kingdom. Across many of his territories he faced a Czech and Slavic populace but minority Germans had the upper hand. In this situation he was admired for the ability to compromise and acceding more autonomy to ethnicities. He does have a very long reign and some 45 years' peace. The papal troops at Mentana in 1867 were not Hapsburgs but from Napoleon III and volunteers.

    Grand Master Pinto initiated Cagliostro and was seen as of the same caliber with St. Germain, with whom he was personal friends, and used to dupe the bankers with an alchemical preparation of temporary gold. St. Germain virtually installed Catherine II the Great of Russia, whilst preventing an attack towards Schleswig-Holstein. We have found that the three ladies of France, Austria, and Russia, along with American colonists, were mostly informed and opposed to Jesuits and central banks. It is also true that at least Catherine and Maria Teresa did book burnings and suppression against magic. They began to dread the things as breeding grounds for trouble.

    We have criticized conspiracy literature from 1801+ as being partially informed or having a fundamental fascist bias. Grabbing from post 37, we looked at two of the largest early Masonic conferences in 1782 and 1785, where there were attempts to resolve numerous questions about Masonry and set some kind of universal standard. This didn't work as the only thing that was determined was that the Strict Observance was spurious because it didn't really have a Templar connection. Even at the first one in 1782, Count de Virieu, sensed a conspiracy neither church nor monarch will withstand. He didn't write a book, he just made one statement, so there are no further details. But then in 1786, Ernst von Gochhausen created a book called "Revelations about the cosmopolitan political system" (or World Citizens' Republic) which predicted the French Revolution by Masons, Illuminati, and Jesuits. A brief page on him states that his view is that when the Jesuits were suppressed in 1773, they were working on the Enlightenment and ways to destroy society so people would flock to the pope. Implication is they hooked the Bavarian Illuminati to start this.

    Now we will suspend the Illuminati for a moment and propose that some members were against state and church domination, but to them, the concept of revolt did not extend to the destruction of society for that purpose. This view is the same as restoring the King of Italy, to keep it from going to pieces.

    The most direct way it appears to have translated into the French Revolution is when Nicholas Bonneville, impressed by J J C Bode of the Bavarian Illuminati, started a newsletter called "The Tribune of the People" which called for a citizens' militia, and was among the first to offer to take the Bastille. He was a disciple of St. Martin and friend of Thomas Paine, and opposed to the Terror. He also wrote "The Jesuits expelled from Masonry" and "Broken Dagger by Masons" from an experience in English Masonry, where he denounced the Jesuits as promoters of the Templar myth and doctrine of revenge. In the revolution, the Terror was not the original plan, but even this, represented by Maximillien Robespierre--who said something warning of a conspiracy that none dared mention--was then sent through changes.

    As well as Bonneville, Prince Karl of Hesse also looked towards J J C Bode instead of Weishaupt or Baron Knigge. He had joined German Masonry, the Jacobins, and the Bavarian Illuminati and attended the big masonic conventions, also finding seeds of revolution present in 1782 without giving details. This is who St. Germain protected by assassinating the emperor of Russia, and with whom he spent the end of his official life. To round it out, one would need to look at Frederick II the Great of Prussia, with whom Karl was also friends.

    But for the most part, if you look at Fratres Lucis and Crata Repoa, you have something that's accepted in various ways by almost any Western strand of magic, even though their origin and accuracy are questionable. By comparison, Namasangiti can be shown to have over 1,000 years of practice, and, is almost the same thing, except it provides a key to the full original. It's different; again, HPB reflected us away from newer western branches and back to the East--Mesmer, the last designated representative of Fratres Lucis, sums up that whole previous approach--she is his successor, but she has no successor. It's using the F. L. own legend, i. e. headquarters in Asia. So it "is" Fratres Lucis in terms of the actual, real meaning, and it is *not* F. L. in terms of known, named groups and such things as Sabbatean Frankists or the Golden Dawn.

    Surprisingly, Grand Master Pinto of Malta shows up in a role as an adept shoulder to shoulder with St. Germain, adverse to Jesuits, Weishaupt, priests, and finance; which, minus the magical knowledge, seems to be a shared view amongst Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Marquis de Lafayette, Marie Antoinette, Maria Theresa, Catherine the Great, and mystically clearest in the lodges around Savalette des Langes. This is on a platform which did not survive in Europe until forged in a relationship between H. R. E. Charles IV and Florence--Tuscany. I usually get the impression that Weishaupt wanted to use Jesuit methods to rebel against the Jesuits, and plunged right in to Jesuit controlled opposition--surrounded. But we have a fairly steady strand of sources exposing them.

    What still stands out to me, and that would explain a lot of things, is the map that HPB's great-grandfather received from St. Germain. It was an accurate post-French Revolution map, which, according to HPB, he gave the French details for 1789-1799 and actually went to the Franco-Prussian war, 1870. So it stops within the time of Franz Josef, until war changed from countries, to "the world".

    Now, even on Wikipedia, anyone can see that the Dolgoruki family descends from Rurik, the founder of Russia, and this line is rather well known. However we get no information about Pavel or Paul Dolguruki born around 1755. I haven't been able to glean much about him other than joining a Strict Observance lodge. If he received the map directly and personally, then St. Germain was in Russia around 1762 when he was only about seven, but I don't think he ever returned there unless it was after his reported death.

    This will become rather strange, but, Theosophical Path vol. 2 contains a childrens' story about HPB. It introduces her as Helena Hahn, and presumes the children know who both Czar Peter the Great and Madame Blavatsky are. Hahn is not a big secret, her father was from Mecklenburg, Germany. This story, which portrays her growing up as a little princess, then informs us that she was born of the noble blood of Russia, Germany, and France. It tells us that her great-grandfather married a Countess du Plessy, a French Huguenot.

    So far, we cannot place her on a first-name basis, but once we find the more standard spelling du Plessis, then we can be fairly certain she is within a few generations of the Huguenot Pope Philippe de Mornay, 1549-1623. We can find he became personal friends with Francis Walsingham, and either started contact with or his movement soon entwined with, House of Orange. He is suspected of writing or backing an anti-crown book in 1579. Chances are, his estate or part thereof was available to some girl born around 1750 at the Countess level whom the Huguenots found fit to dispatch to Russia. Overall it was typical for Russia to import French culture.

    Then the little princess childrens' story informs us the Hahns had a French maid, name not given. However, her story is that during or after the revolution, she was paraded on the streets of Paris as the Goddess of Liberty (likely the 1830 revolution here). Young Helena Hahn immediately declares, "I want to be a Goddess of Liberty!" This comes across as very profound and influential both for HPB and to be inspirational towards the audience.

    Her missing Rurikid ancestor is in the middle of St. Germain and the Huguenots in a pretty unique way. In that grandma is a bit better known, it at least puts names and dates to her parents. Now these are virtually the Russian Stuarts going from a Dolgoruki--Romanov connection. Again, even in that detailed view, grandma's dad isn't there.

    According to Gary Lachman, in Russia, Pavel also joined Nikolai Novikov's Lodge Latone and likely its inner group, Harmonia Lodge, formed in 1780. Similarly to Strict Observance, these people pledged themselves to Nine Unknown Superiors, or chiefs of nine orders in Egypt, Cyprus, Palestine, Mexico, Italy, Persia, Germany, India, and England, as claimed in "The Rosy Cross in Russia", 1906. HPB of course visits all these places. It states that "true Masonry will arise once more in Tibet". HPB's adepts have it that their greatest secrets were taught world-wide in Masonry, but at least in England and on the continent, the real Grand Masters or gurus died out, and their authentic manuscripts were reduced to ashes starting towards the end of the 1600s and pretty much all erased by 1720 with something that belonged to Nicholas Stone. Elias Ashmole (1617-1692) is usually counted as among the last of the knowing. St. Germain attempted to leave his masonic history in England, but even this was found unsafe and it was returned to Amritsar. Novikov was imprisoned by Catherine; Dolgoruki was not.

    Malta is not on the continent, so, if it was the F. L. initiation center in the 1700s, it basically remains true to the above statement.

    Olcott was told to study the Dolgoruki to find why no occultist would tame HPB's fiery temperament, believing this would be fatal. He says John King introduced him to four masters, a Copt, neo-Platonist, English philosopher, and a master of masters being in fact Venetian, which, going from most indications of the Western adepts, means Serapis Bey. Despite politics, the role of Venice cannot be removed as a knowledge center of magic and to the East. Even a plebian history such as "Venice Reconsidered" will acknowledge Jewish kabbalism there in the 1500s, as well as Francesco Zorzi (Giorgi) whom we've bumped into before, and a Frenchman Guillaume Postel who discovered the Zohar there, and returned to visit the Jewish printer Daniel Bomberg as well as living saint Madre Giovanna. It was there that St. Germain was in 1710 and previously, possibly 1687 as Signor Gualdi, but the 1710 meeting is what made Mme. Pompadour realize how old and ageless he must be many years later. He may have appeared in 1670 with papers that became "Comte de Gabalis", and that particular speculation suggests it was after faking his death as Francis Bacon in 1624. But Venice tends to be his first reliable public appearance.

    The same history informs us there was publication of, and in fact an organized smuggling ring of heretical books in the 1540s, mainly supplied by Pietro Perna in Basel, and at least three receivers in Venice. Venice was massive in the early printing days, but was low on Natural Philosophy.

    The overall Catholic royal faction of the time is French House of Guise plus Medici and Mary Queen of Scots; as they lose power they become Lorraine, which gained the Holy Roman Empire in 1745 in conflict with Maria Teresa, who was an Archduchess and Queen, end of the original Hapsburg line in 1780, Lorraine-Hapsburg reigning since then. Lorraine also gained Tuscany after the Medicis in 1737 until currently.

    Huguenot affiliation was once with House Bourbon which took power in 1589, and, in the mid-1700s, is said to have lacked a national bank and trapped itself in short-term loans. In most accounts, war debts over religion and England are held to be an insurmountable pressure towards the revolution. Henry IV repented to Catholicism and there were not any further Huguenot Bourbon Protestant kings.

    Even from the earliest "resistance" times, Huguenots are understood to be "of the church", against Latin and the papacy, or "of the state", to rebel against Catholic authorities.

    The transition removing the Jesuits from France started with a Jansenist plot that replaced the judiciary, which is the power that was used to shut them down. Jansenists believed that Jesuit science was a waste of time compared to the only worthwhile pursuit, salvation. It is not a very good name as Jansen wished it to remain obedient to the church, and it is more like his school of Augustine of Hippo. Cardinal Richelieu (Armand du Plessis) arrested the Jansenist leader Duvergier in 1638. The Jesuits started attacking them around 1644 after prohibiting the Augustinian book. Works including the letters of Pascal replied by denouncing the Jesuits. Around 1654, Jansenists were protected by Roger du Plessis, duke of Liancourt. In Richelieu's time, Catholic Hapsburg Spain is reported to be funding Protestant French Huguenot rebels.

    Just from sharing the name, it is hard to find Richelieu as sharing the notable Huguenot stand of the du Plessis. Instead, there appears to be a du Plessis-Hapsburg alliance against Richelieu-Bourbon. Charles I of England also assisted the Huguenots. However by 1648, France is in a stronger position than the Empire. Huguenots were suppressed by 1629 and lost their religious right in 1685 for several years.

    Voltaire was opposed to the church and welcomed the Jesuit suppression. He, however, admired Jesuit science, believing it to be integral to the Enlightenment. The problem was that it was in the hands of the main obstacle to free thought, the church.

    Rousseau in turn rejected science and culture as a waste of time against man's savage nature. Voltaire's Reason was intellectual and atheistic and related to the dead matter materialistic belief and the Encyclopedists. Noble savage went more towards the concept of heart centered-ness. In 1802 along with a Pope/Republic concord, Chateaubriand wrote Genie du Christianisme, attempting to synthesize religion with both scientific reason and the wild heart, which may be among the first and only examples of such a unity statement.

    Venice had nearly been destroyed by the League of Cambrai in the early 1500s which is what induced them to move their power base. Around 1531, Francesco Zorzi or Georgi is said to have started Venetian Rosicrucianism in England. He helped the king's divorce at a time when there were no Jews in England, and created a magic manual which leads to no practice, but has heavily Christianized everything. William Cecil is said to have been in the Venetian camp. Martin Luther developed in parallel with Venetians Contarini and Spalatin, and most Protestants outright sided with Venice after a 1607 papal interdict on them. This is what they used to enflame wars of religion and the Thirty Years' War. James I of England was delighted with them and Sarpi.

    At this point there is the attempted Catholic Stuart Restoration versus Venetians gathering Protestants round their side. Francis Bacon is also said to be a Sarpi follower. Installing House of Orange largely ended the Catholic question there despite attempts to restore.
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    Default Re: The Serpent, the Black Sun, HPB & St. Germain

    In having exhumed the Renaissance material in the prior post, I have been doing so with an eye towards the LaRouche--Tarpley theory about Venice particularly because they discuss a common adversary, Aristotle.

    Going a little further, we find their view is not the same as ours. Going from Gerald Rose, Schiller Institute Conference, September, 1993: "It is here I want to develop what might seem like a diversion--but there is no way you can understand what happens next without such a discussion. Frances Yates, an enemy of ours at the Warburg Institute, has done, from an enemy standpoint, some useful work on the creation of a pagan revival around the Platonic Academy of Florence. I must add a cautionary point here which is indicative of how our enemies create myths. The Warburg Institute is the major research institute into the Renaissance. It is Yates at Warburg who attempts to prove that the Renaissance came from an occult return to pre-Christian religions and a revival of Neoplatonism."

    Perhaps; that idea is far from original to Yates, as, we say, this has been done in one way or another since the calamity of the Dark Age started. He then proceeds with something that--well, it's an extended reach:

    "The danger here is the same danger that was always inherent in the Neoplatonics as opposed to the real Plato. The Neoplatonics belived in a world spirit, and that one could coax the spirit into matter through the use of the soul, which was located midway between spirit and matter. This use of the soul is what is known as magic. Augustine was revulsed by this practice and strongly admonished Hermes for practicing such magic. "

    "The worst aspect of this came in through Pico della Mirandola. He went back to an idea of the world soul, asserting that man participated only as a receptacle of the world soul... It is this movement that Giorgi is a part of and this branch of Venetian philosophy founds Freemasonry and the New Age...Here is a point of enormous importance. One of the main confusions that the present-day Catholic Church has on the question of the Renaissance is that Aristotelians in the Church used the identification of this Neoplatonic problem to attack the Renaissance as pagan and humanistic, when in fact this was launched as an operation by Paduan Aristotelians in the guise of Platonism to destroy Cusa and Christianity."

    Here, it may be starting to wear a little thin that they are a 1970s pro-Christian anti-Communist platform. Presuming the church did not know what its neighbors were doing.

    We have focused on della Mirandola and Grand Master Pinto in such a way that we must, to some extent, be talking about a sort of intra- or crypto-Catholic branch of magic. Obviously, someone like Francesco Giorgi is to some extent related to this, but again, in taking a quick look at his work, it's not quite the same profound meaning. So we don't rely on him for instance as a representation.

    HPB's claim is in talking about something definitely known, but not really represented in most of the Masonic or Rosicrucian branches: "Such secret brotherhoods have been mentioned before Mackenzie's time, by more than one great author. If they have been regarded as mere fictions of the novelist, that fact has only helped the "brother-adepts" to keep their incognito the more easily. We have personally known several of them who, to their great merriment had had the story of their lodges, the communities in which they lived, and the wondrous powers which they had exercised for many long years, laughed at and denied by unsuspecting skeptics to their very faces. Some of these brothers belong to the small groups of "travellers." Until the close of the happy Louis-Philippian reign, they were pompously termed by the Parisian garcon and trader the nobles etrangers, and as innocently believed to be "Boyards," Valachian "Gospodars," Indian "Nabobs," and Hungarian "Margraves," who had gathered at the capital of the civilized world to admire its monuments and partake of its dissipations. There are, however, some insane enough to connect the presence of certain of these mysterious guests in Paris with the great political events that subsequently took place. Such recall at least as very remarkable coincidences, the breaking out of the Revolution of '93, and the earlier explosion of the South Sea Bubble, soon after the appearance of "noble foreigners," who had convulsed all Paris for more or less longer periods, by either their mystical doctrines or "supernatural gifts." The St. Germains and Cagliostros of this century, having learned bitter lessons from the vilifications and persecutions of the past, pursue different tactics now-a-days."

    Because this is strongly related to free thinking, opposing Jesuits or the church generally, it must have common grounds with atheists, Protestants, and Jews, which is understandable for them to have pro-Venetian or English politics.

    I've asked several times when peace ever broke out, and, no one knew, but the answer is Franz Josef, 1867. If so and if this is the only major example, it's worth looking in to.

    Even during this era, HPB wrote Karmic Visions which uses Frederick III of Germany to see the future of his country as a war machine and with dead in the millions. It was karma still active since Clovis.

    So the Venetian theory seems to be saying all revolts against the church or Jesuits, whether Renaissance or atheist, were specifically all done by Venetian politics in a purely anti-Christian scheme. If nothing else, to this we must at least grant since 1529 the rebound of Venice and Francesco Giorgi to England. If this theory also upholds Augustine, it may not be too far from Jansenism, which is a fundamentalist Christian reform against the Jesuits.

    The Jesuit theory instead says that parts of the Renaissance are what they are supposed to be, but that some of the particularly atheist schemes were allowed or provoked by the church or Jesuits themselves, along with an infiltration of Masonry. Jesuits did not exist in 1529. This is the intent of von Gochhausen, but he provides no details. We do find in 1801 the Jesuit themed literature starting the Jewish Masonic fear, which was strongest in Germany. Masonry was already suppressed by the pope around 1738-40. In this theory, the Jesuits altered it particularly with the Templar myth, which includes a doctrine of revenge or Revanchism. If nothing else, in this way they may be said to have promoted opposition to themselves.

    In the middle between the extremes, we hold that neither the Catholics, Protestants, Masons, Jews, or atheists are exactly correct, nor are we in firm agreement with those such as Boehme's Theosophers. Raymond Lully is now thought to be not himself in his alchemical writings, but a panel of later authors writing as pseudo-Lully. Otherwise, the list of Europeans influential to Theosophy is fairly brief, with no Francesco Giorgi, John Dee (who believed in immanent apocalypse), and other popular figures left off completely:

    John Erigena

    Roger Bacon

    Robert Fludd

    Peter Bono

    Nicolas Flamel

    Pico della Mirandola

    Johann Reuchlin met della Mirandola in Venice, 1490.

    Trithemius

    Cornelius Agrippa

    Paracelsus was pacifistic against schismatic blood-letting.

    Giordano Bruno

    Martinez de Pasqualis

    Louis-Claude St. Martin

    Lady Anne Conway and von Helmont, Dr. Henry More.

    The closest line to the actual F. L. we can find is della Mirandola, Trithemius, Agrippa, Paracelsus. In the eighteenth century, this was perhaps reduced to a base around Grand Master Pinto, and in the nineteenth century said almost nothing until HPB came along.

    The counter-argument is that neither the church nor any theosophists understood that the Florentine Academy was a Venetian operation to destroy Christianity. One would have to compare the F. L. as just mentioned to Giorgi and what he supposedly controlled about English Freemasonry and the like. We have found it was handled by the Jesuits, but, must allow more than one hand to be stirring the pot. As much as we would be Venice-sympathetic contra the church, we do not promote atheist materialism nor outrageous violence, so, congruence with them is partial at most. A handful of roguish oligarchs does not necessarily represent all her free thinking citizens. Giorgi's work was translated to French by the house of Valois.

    We may find in a study of pseudo-Dionysus that Nicholas of Cusa is included with these neo-Platonic philosophers, and not elevated against them as the final hope of true Christianity like in the Venetian argument.

    According to Invisible History, "Dee and men such as Sir Philip Sydney, Walter Raleigh and Edmund Spencer merged the ideas of continental philosophers Giordano Bruno, Giovanni Pico della Mirandola and Francesco Giorgi into a form of British-Israelism with Elizabeth in a messianic role." In this time, there were many attempts to connect British noble houses to Arthurian origins, or Welsh refugees from Troy, being similar to Israelism or an attempt to connect one's ancestors to something special that one deserves. So this is suggesting that mostly the plain old Protestant English crafted their own stew out of our literature. The Huguenots do not appear guilty of this, in fact, I don't think we'll find in Italy or anywhere else such an attempt to inflate one's ancestry on a sweeping national level.

    The Theosophical anti-Jesuit argument does not draw much from anything British during these times whatsoever. There is instead a bias or limitation inherent in the Venetian argument concerning Nicholas of Cusa (HPB calls him an Adept reborn as Copernicus) and the Florentine Academy. Both of these versions cannot be correct. If pseudo-Dionysus is closer to the truth, then Cusa and the Florentines were both honest humanistic Renaissance pioneers who we may use as reference for good character and intellect. In this case, it is hard to be responsible if someone copies your material and takes it overseas to another country, and so how English statecraft applied this in the 1500s is not necessarily the same reference. We just called an enemy's champion a brother there; they have used the same person to give us the term, enemy.

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    Default Re: The Serpent, the Black Sun, HPB & St. Germain

    I don't know anything about Nicholas of Cusa, but I do know that in 1087, the Eastern and Western churches excommunicated each other, and by the 1400s, Asia Minor was being over-run by Turks. Persia was potentially an ally against them. Byzantium had an alliance with Mongolia since 1263 and found them not only welcoming of Christianity but that many of them were Nestorians; alliance ended around 1341.

    And in that milieu, we find the pillar from whence the Florentine Academy stands.

    Georgios Gemistos Plethon (1355-1452)

    He studied in Constantinople and in the Ottoman court, where, according to Gary Lachman, "...staying with a Jew named Elisha who was well-versed in the Arab and Persian commentators on Aristotle (Averroes, Avicenna, and the school of Sohrawardî). From Elisha, he presumably learned some doctrines concerning Zoroaster. On returning to Constantinople, Gemistos was victimized by a cabal of churchmen on account of the teachings he was giving out. Emperor Manuel II Paleologos sent him to Mistra as political advisor to his son Theodore II, the new despot of Morea. In 1438-1439, Gemistos took part in the Council of Ferrara and Florence on the union of the churches. He held an anti-unionist position, together with his former pupil Mark of Ephesus (Markos Eugenikos), in order to defend the Orthodox cause and, above all, to preserve whatever traces of Hellenism remained in Greek theology.

    Outside the Council, Plethon attended philosophical meetings in which he was persuaded to give teachings on Plato. In Florence, he wrote for his Italian friends a small Greek work (Wherein Aristotle Disagrees with Plato, known under the inappropriate title De Differentiis), in which he tried to show that Aristotle went wrong every time he distinguished himself from his master Plato. This work unleashed a fierce argument between Platonists and Aristotelians, much fueled by the Byzantine emigrants in Italy. Marsilio Ficino later stated that Cosimo de’ Medici often listened to Plethon, who was like ‘a second Plato’, and that this gave Cosimo the idea of restoring the Academy in Florence. On his return to Mistra, Plethon continued writing a work on the ideal constitution, the Book of Laws, which was only to be made known to the so-called phratores, members of the phratria which he assembled around him (the term, adopted from antiquity, originally referred to a political and religious subdivision of the polis; Plethon’s phratria was supposedly a secret philosophical and religious association with branches in Italy). In the Book of Laws, kept hidden because of the threats hanging over him, Plethon based the ideal political constitution on ‘theology according to Plato and Zoroaster’: a strictly hierarchical polytheism in which the names of the gods were taken from the Hellenic tradition, but could be transposed into other traditions."

    "Plethon refused the forced unity that the Latin Church demanded in exchange for materially assisting the Byzantines to repel the Ottomans. Rather than submitting the Orthodox Church to a Pope who was himself contested by the Council of Basel, and considering the impossibility of reconciling the different monotheisms, the philosopher recommended a far more fundamental unity that would bring into one accord the Muslims, the Jews, and the already divided Christians. It would entail abandoning the recent, monotheistic religions, and going back to the original doctrine that must have been common to all the nations of the inhabited world and taught by their wise legislators, from the Iberians in the far West to the Indians in the far East. This doctrine, itself derived from the Ideas (considered as gods), had been best preserved and transmitted by the sage and lawgiver Zoroaster and his disciples, the Magi, from whom it had been passed to Pythagoras, Plato, and the (Neo)platonists; this was the doctrine of the Magic Oracles."

    He took the collection of Michael Psellus and removed Christianity, Chaldaenism, and theurgy. Zoroaster now appears at the head of the important philosophers, Trismegistus, Pythagoras, Orpheus, someone called Aglaothemis, and Plato. He is crafting "prisca philosophia" or ancient wisdom. Ficino and della Mirandola then are in the position of making it work with Christianity. A quick look at Pythagoreanism shows them as not wanting to get in trouble; the church was generally against kabbalism. But even this basic look shows us the Aion, Duality, and Triad which is very much the same as in Eastern mysticism and the Secret Doctrine.

    This is a slightly different source from Hermetism; Plethon said that the Egyptians were receivers of Zoroastrianism which made them similar. Ficino, translator of Hermes's Pymander, adjusted his view accordingly, giving Zoroaster the primacy.

    Mirandola however claimed he worked from Chaldean originals, translating the language himself; Ficino found his texts but they went to ruin. Mirandola asserts these are in the Psellus collection. Jamsetji Medhora, a Parsi of Bombay, found them genuine.

    He essentially teaches that Plato is perfected by Christianity. He felt that the Christian Platonist could correctly interpret older, non-Hebrew wisdom. He tends to have instantaneous, clear understandings of Plato that no one else did, such as Orpheus not passing through death to find Eurydice, so he gets an illusionary ghost instead of the real one. In the same way, he says the mind does not see Ideas without the actual death of its intellect/ego/imagination, believing their ghosts to be real. Here, he has gotten to the Eastern doctrine of Maya. As a syncretist, it means he wanted to keep even the portions of Aristotle that were useful, and harmonize everything together, so, as a universal system, it intends to use "everything to the extent it is true".

    Plethon proposed the ancient, universal system that recommends abandoning current religions. Theosophy per se does not require one to abandon or change one's faith, and from this point of view, Pico della Mirandola becomes interesting. He tried to go debate Rome on 900 points and they suppressed him. Plethon was born two years prior to Tson Kha Pa. You can see that the latter was doing the same thing, at pretty much the same time, but successfully, in Tibet. He re-compiled the whole system so to speak, he studied basically the entire vast Buddhist lore and set up a universal system, attempting to get rid of the fakes. Theosophy asserts that this is the most modernized, comprehensive system established by adepts, and that the results of whatever Mirandola may have been instrumental in starting, were unsuccessful, and there is not such a system. The bridge that HPB makes is to explain that all the historical knowledge--which lacks continuity and practice--is preliminary to Raja Yoga.

    In the Buddhist view, we have placed missionaries in the old Pythagorean and Gnostic systems, and seen these eliminated mostly by Rome. Even so, we find at Taxila or Mogao in the East, evidence of a tolerant or syncretic system that for example allows Nestorian Christians. A thousand years pass, Rome is presented with basically the same concepts again, and continues to silence it. Plethon offers the concept with the claim that it is an ancient unified system extending to Zoroaster. This is simply the west side of the Aryans. It has fragments called Chaldean, which is Ur, and Abraham (Saturn). We find Saturn then living as an ancient king of Latin culture, and it is exactly the astrological or metaphysical Saturn--Ialdabaoth that we say is the domain altered by the Pharisees and church into the motor of ignorance. Tibet was for example, even a meeting ground for doctors from Byzantium to China in the 7th century. Most of the Adepts were her "nobles etrangeres" at Shigatse. Some Roman people were supportive enough of Plethon's "ancient system" that even ca. 396, the Senate built a new statue of Janus to commemorate the pristine Saturnalia and forestall the church's advance. The profound doctrines of Raja Yoga according to the Buddhists were to an extent catalogued by a Jesuit by the 1700s, who by his own admission was unable to realize the essence. By the time of HPB's final group, there were only three or four of them who seem to have been prepared.

    Pico's bones and the discovery that he was given arsenic have been recently announced by Italian scientists. He was six feet tall and had a big head.

    From having examined pseudo-Theosophy, it soon became apparent that HPB has no successor, nobody actually continued her work and they changed it into something else. We have found this was quickly recognized by a few, who found it necessary to formulate an intra-Theosophical "Back to Blavatsky" movement; Alice Bailey was interested in this, and may have participated for at most a couple of years. But one of the best examples was B. P. Wadia, who has the factor of actually being born Zoroastrian. He has numerous articles about Secret Doctrine study and so forth, but, perhaps most appropriately, published his insights to Zoroastrian Philosophy. That is from Sweden's ULT having over a hundred of his articles I have not gone through. He makes subtle points not found in a general or exoteric view, is clearly an esotericist of the "original system".

    With him, we have moved from an old, forbidden collection of maybe sixty Chaldean verses, which is clearly a core of the European system and its many tangled branches, to a cultural devotee. He was not successful in converting Dion Fortune, which strongly represents the Western errors and attitude; if he did gain any more English adherents, we would have to say they are unknown, did not publish, etc. I cannot answer the 900 questions because I will never know if Magianism can merge with Christian theology; going from Plethon, it may be more feasible with the Orthodox than the Romans.

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    Magianism may be closer to the original Christian teachings than many would believe. Follow the 8 pointed star!

    Vatican 8 pointed sun wheel...

    http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/wheel.htm


    The 8 pointed motif also appears in early Anglo-Saxon art styles and designs.



    The Anglo-Saxons imported a gnostic form of Christianity, untouched by Vatican control, which is more in alignment with Buddhist or Zoroastrian teachings. I’d even go so far as to say Jesus was teaching Vedic/Sanskrit principles, albeit adapted for the audience and time of his era.

    The 8 pointed star is no different than Buddhist teachings of the 10 directions.



    Or the dharmachakra.

    The 10 directions being, the 4 cardinal points, the 4 diagonal points, and up and down.

    Rosicrucian artwork, the 4 humours (as depicted visually in the 4 corners), the 4 cardinal directions (Sapientia, Tentatio, Pulchitrudo and Dominatio), and the pineal gland (unicorn) representing the ascent or descent on Jacobs ladder.



    The 8 pointed star is also the pagan wheel of the year.

    Richard Cassaro wrote an interesting article on Roman floor mosaics, showing a connection between early Roman art and Eastern Mandalas and Yantras.

    https://www.richardcassaro.com/esote...-europes-past/

    Cyril Fagan (in his book Astrological Origins) discusses the importance of the oktotopos in early sidereal star lore.

    The use of the 8 pointed star in such a multitude of traditions, indicates to me, it was one of the core features of the universal tradition, described by sages such as Confucius (among others). The Vatican simply stole the teachings of the tradition, kept the best bits for themselves, and fed the masses a watered down tradition based on the ‘10 commandments’ as oppose to the ‘10 directions’.

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    The Anglo-Saxons imported a gnostic form of Christianity, untouched by Vatican control, which is more in alignment with Buddhist or Zoroastrian teachings. I’d even go so far as to say Jesus was teaching Vedic/Sanskrit principles, albeit adapted for the audience and time of his era.

    The 8 pointed star is no different than Buddhist teachings of the 10 directions.

    Meaning Celtic Christianity via Joseph of Arimithea?

    With the Directions, we are more familiar with the Mutable Cross, meaning earth's north shifts around relative to your position, and we try to go to the Fixed Cross; north is always ahead of your nose. That is how I understand those meanings. Directional Guardians are pretty fundamental to all the systems. One of the first things to learn.

    Many of Jesus's known phrases are right out of the Puranas. Probably in the early days, some seventy or eighty per cent majority of his followers were Marcionite gnostics, but, there was something that might be more accurately called Jewish Christian or messianic, although there have been many messianic movements.

    Those usually seem dangerously subversive as with Krishnamurti or Bahaulla, Mahhadiyya, etc.

    To cement the fact that we unavoidably are dealing with subversive elements, it would be accurate to state that HPB's Rosicrucian view is, historically, that of Mackenzie, and for a while had high hopes for what might spill forth from his progress. The Cipher Manuscript is to this day kind of a big deal.

    I was mistaken about a couple of things, and one is that the earliest book of British Israelism or even perhaps Euro Israelism is a Huguenot source from 1590. Another is that Mackenzie's obscure initiation source is intended to be Count Apponyi who is rather well known from the records. But we may note there isn't really any noise around him resembling his claimed role.

    G. D. back translated into Hebrew and other languages brings it to 1807: A French Masonic Strict Observance Lodge is charted in Frankfurt named Loge St. John de L’aurore Naissante or Chabrath Zereh Boqer Aour, unlike other German Lodges of the time this one admitted Jews; rechartered as Loge zur aufgehenden Morgenrothe by the Duke of Sussex in 1817 (1812-1842, His Royal Highness Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, son of King George III, the Duke of Sussex united the rival lodges, the Ancient and the Modern, into a single, potent force). Under the German name they had applied with Karl of Hesse Kassel, but he refused. Jews are able to become Craft Masons, but they are seeking an alternative to the Scottish Rite, which is Christian only. Interest would have naturally flowed towards Strict Observance, or, potentially, the Cipher could have been a plan for a new alternative. Morgenrothe itself has no records about setting up the Golden Dawn in England. This will become one of the most controversial lodges.

    Westcott simply borrowed the name.

    The Cipher is kabalistic, refers to alchemy and the Chaldean Oracles, and Magister Pianco's 1781 Der Rosenkreuzer in seiner Blosse. This itself stands on a 1767 document which has been preserved by I. A. Fessler. In 1766, Austria banned Rosicrucians, and there was a reform in Germany which disposed of Templar origins and went back to the Bible. The rites require Craft Masonry, i. e. that is the probation and training. The degrees all have tables of chiefs, colors, numbers, etc. To all intents and purposes, this appears to be Pico's Christian Platonist, largely the same knowledge base of Fratres Lucis.

    It could be one of the all-time questions about how he really got it, but, it seems to be the same corpus. Isabel Cooper Oakley specifically refuted the rumor that von Ecker himself started Fratres Lucis. She credits him with having a unique collection of all the Orders. But she says the best work is by Schone, Der Signalstern, or the Seven Unveiled Degrees of Mystic Freemasonry. She includes Lord Lytton and Eliphas Levi with F. L. as is usually said, and agrees with them suffering in Vienna and going to Berlin. She vindicates von Ecker and follows with William II (in Strict Observance and friend of St. Germain) and III of Prussia, Karl of Hesse, and others in this Rosicrucian order. She says the younger von Ecker did Knights of Asia which is separate.

    Olcott admitted he belonged to the Luxor group mentioned by Mackenzie, prior to and different than the H. B. of L.

    HPB uses this to veer away from Western Hermetism. She then explains Egypt's Luxor as derived from Lookshoor, Baluchistan. In essence this is like "switching the primacy to Zoroaster". After Mackenzie's death, she says she learned more details on a personal level.

    Evidently, the Warburg Institute is mostly made to highlight the Florentine Renaissance and is a fairly unique place for it.

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    Donald A Mackenzie (any connection to the Mackenzie you refer to?) wrote about the similarity of Christianity and Buddhist belief in his book ‘Buddhism in Pre-Christian Britain’ (PDF). He mentions it was probably a form of Manichaeism (I’ll have to dig through my notes to double check that for accuracy), that was imported by the Scythians i.e. Anglo-Saxons, and it was the similarity of Manichaeism to early Christian teachings, that enabled Christianity to be so easily adopted through most of Northern Europe in later centuries.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Arimathea
    Quote Legends about the arrival of Christianity in Britain abounded during the Middle Ages. Early writers do not connect Joseph to this activity, however. Tertullian (AD 155–222) wrote in Adversus Judaeos that Britain had already received and accepted the Gospel in his lifetime, writing, "all the limits of the Spains, and the diverse nations of the Gauls, and the haunts of the Britons—inaccessible to the Romans, but subjugated to Christ."[7]
    So the early gnostic Christians of Northern Europe were practicing Christianity before Joseph of Arimathea and before Mani was even born. Not sure I know how to reconcile that unless Buddhism or Vedic philosophy is used as a bridge. Wasn’t Manichaeism a variant of Zoroastrianism? Which itself is a variant of the older Mithra-Varuna of the Rigvedas. Rene Guenon was another esotericist who tied the Vedanta to the primordial tradition. I know Guenon was born into a family of operative Freemasons, I’ve not heard if he was a member of any Golden Dawn or other type secret societies however, it wouldn’t surprise me to hear if he was.

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