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    Well, we will have to disagree on the value of Anno Lucis. It plainly comes from the church and some kind of literal interpretation of Biblical creation, pushing back the old Jewish date by a few centuries. Masons starting using it in the 1770s. Similar to the Jesuit Templar degrees. Speculative Masonry such as that rendered the fraternity into a shambles. If they had started using it in 4,004 BC, on day one when the world was created, then I guess it would be the start of their calendar, but its adoption was simply a ruse to add an air of antiquity.

    Why would we assume that anyone of the Bush clan knows anything about allegory, interpretation, or the real meaning of anything? In office, people close to him, i. e. Secret Service, observed that "he really does believe in that stuff" in reference to Methodism--and that would not be a joke to him. Is there any evidence he's into something else?

    H. G. Wells, a Fabian Socialist, wrote New World Order. As it becomes such a buzzword, it seems difficult to put much stock into the fact it was mentioned one time in a speech. From what I remember, it was an extremely common phrase in the Bailey camp. Not really an announcement. Just a cowardly concealment of "We are the warmongering empire".

    Most of these things are just examples of Jesuitry--distortions and hypnotism.

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    Well, we will have to disagree on the value of Anno Lucis. It plainly comes from the church and some kind of literal interpretation of Biblical creation, pushing back the old Jewish date by a few centuries. Masons starting using it in the 1770s. Similar to the Jesuit Templar degrees. Speculative Masonry such as that rendered the fraternity into a shambles. If they had started using it in 4,004 BC, on day one when the world was created, then I guess it would be the start of their calendar, but its adoption was simply a ruse to add an air of antiquity.
    Masons clearly have something called Anno Lucis. It is on their websites and in their books. It is related to the Hebrew calendar and Ussher's date for the creation of the world. As I have said though, the Mason's interpret the Bible differently.

    If you wanted to dispute the relationship between Anno Lucis and the start of the Age of Taurus (in the minds of Masons), that is harder to prove.

    Quote Frontispiece from The Beginning of Masonry by Higgins

    "The ancient Cosmic Science, of which Freemasonry is the modern survival, gives the date of its inception, as that at which the above "Cardinal Signs" commenced their reign, viz. 3995 B.C., commonly reckoned as 4000 B.C., which, added to the current year, gives us our Masonic date." - Frank C. Higgins, The Beginning of Masonry, p. 6.
    The signs he is talking about are Taurus, Aquarius, Leo, and Scorpio. So, the cardinal signs began in 4000 BC, and Taurus is the closest age to that date.


    Quote From https://taughtbydegree.wordpress.com...-l-anno-lucis/ :
    "What is the significance of circa 4000 BCE in Freemasonry? From the Egyptian secret of the Precession of the Equinox, this was the year of the Age of Taurus (ca. 4000-3100 BCE)."

    "Age of Taurus ca. 4000 BCE"
    This Mason also implies that the secret of the Royal Arch has to do with the precession of the equinoxes.

    Quote Why would we assume that anyone of the Bush clan knows anything about allegory, interpretation, or the real meaning of anything? In office, people close to him, i. e. Secret Service, observed that "he really does believe in that stuff" in reference to Methodism--and that would not be a joke to him. Is there any evidence he's into something else?
    There is a lot of evidence out there regarding the corruption of the Bush family. I havent heard anyone defend the Bush's in a while. The best evidence showing they are into the occult comes from the announcement of the New World Order, the occult significance of 9/11, Skull n Bones, and their involvement in globalisation and the Middle East.

    I wouldnt believe anything put out by the mainstream media or by the Secret Service.

    George W. Bush: "Inaugural Address," January 20, 2005: "When our Founders declared a new order of the ages...they were acting on an ancient hope that is meant to be fulfilled. History has an ebb and flow of justice, but history also has a visible direction, set by liberty and the Author of Liberty."

    Quote H. G. Wells, a Fabian Socialist, wrote New World Order. As it becomes such a buzzword, it seems difficult to put much stock into the fact it was mentioned one time in a speech. From what I remember, it was an extremely common phrase in the Bailey camp. Not really an announcement. Just a cowardly concealment of "We are the warmongering empire".
    It's all the same New World Order based on the ages of history theory. They want a new order for the new world that is coming. Different occultists and elitists may have varying takes on what this order should look like.

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    I'm not saying the Masons don't *use* the Anno Lucis calendar, nor am I defending the Bushes. I don't see how political power plays are particularly occult. I do see that most of the establishment families are almost exclusively Christian.

    That diagram is of the Fixed Cross, not the Cardinal one, and I believe that direction will bring us closer to wisdom.

    From HPB's definition of the Zodiac:

    ...the constellation Taurus (Heb. Aleph) was in the first sign of the Zodiac at the beginning of the Kali Yuga, and consequently the Equinoctial point fell therein. At this time, also, Leo was in the summer solstice, Scorpio in the autumnal Equinox, and Aquarius in the winter solstice ; and these facts form the astronomical key to half the religious mysteries of the world-—the Christian scheme included. The Zodiac was known in India and Egypt for incalculable ages, and the knowledge of the sages (magi) of these countries, with regard to the occult influence of the stars and heavenly bodies on our earth, was far greater than profane astronomy can ever hope to reach to. If, even now, when most of the secrets of the Asuramayas and the Zoroasters are lost, it is still amply shown that horoscopes and judiciary astrology are far from being based on fiction, and if such men as Kepler and even Sir Isaac Newton believed that stars and constellations influenced the destiny of our globe and its humanities, it requires no great stretch of faith to believe that men who were initiated into all the mysteries of nature, as well as into astronomy and astrology, knew precisely in what way nations and mankind, whole races as well as individuals, would be affected by the so-called “signs of the Zodiac."

    Looking at the chart for the beginning of Kali Yuga 3102 BC, the vernal equinox is found not just in Taurus, but at Aldebaran. At that point in time, the Fixed Cross landed on what, for example, the Persians called "Royal Stars", Aldebaran, Regulus, Antares, Fomalhaut. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_stars


    Now at the end of the definition, zodiac signs are "so-called". The signs are 30 degree slices which match the constellations very imperfectly--so badly, that now people are sticking Ophiuchus between Scorpio and Sagittarius. And with the precession, the constellation Aries is not in the sign Aries and...why give me a misleading name? Why not just "Sign #1"?

    A sidereal system as used in India is much more straightforward--based on physical observations. It can, of course, be used in the same functions with regard to timekeeping, perhaps even more precisely, having a Lunar Mansion for each day of the Moon's movement. Such a system can be defined by, for example, Spica (Chitra or the Wheat Ear of Virgo) as the start of the 15th mansion, or Aldebaran being the end of the 4th.

    By an "ayanamsha", or correction, it can be related to the everchanging equinox of the tropical zodiac. It would be correct to say that...Spica, Antares, etc...all exhibit "proper motion", and the whole thing could go off kilter. Modern attempts have been made to set the coordinates with respect to the galactic center (which also moves) or the galactic nodes. http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_ayanamsha_e.htm

    Mostly, however, the proper motion of stars is so slight, that it would only disturb calculations extended out 100,000 years or so.

    Astrology never really calculates anything. It requires some fairly elaborate trigonometry to do so; I tried that one time, and it was very slow. It's also slow for computers. Instead, they run the equations one time and plug the answers into a table called an ephemeris, on a day-by day basis. Then all that needs to be calculated, is how much of a day has passed between any two given numbers.

    The Julian days start at noon, January 1, 4713 BC, a date which has nothing to do with astrology; its just a reference point. There is a correction used around the 1580s; the Julian Calandar was switched to the Gregorian, because Western timekeeping did not use the leap year correctly, and so October 1st became October 15th in switching to the new system. Note who lost two weeks and who did not.

    The Swiss Ephemeris for example, is a computerized version, obtained from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory of NASA, the same thing that guides spacecraft.

    I recently dug up an old toy, Astrolog 6.1. This is a lightweight program because it does not draw a planetarium or celestial sphere, just a zodiac wheel. I was attracted to it a long time ago, because it includes "DK" astrology--which, fwiw, considers the vernal equinox entering Aquarius in 2117. It uses the Swiss Ephemeris, and you can switch on or off almost everything. So you can turn off the tropical and cast a sidereal chart. It defaults to the Fagan-Bradley ayanamsha which is fairly standard (Yukteswar's falls off 6 deg/century) although it has others.

    It will also chart Vulcan and Lilith, or at least points that someone thought represented them.

    Lilith is the dark moon, veiled by the Moon, destination of lost souls. Perhaps it is made of a different kind of matter: a Bose-Einstein Condensate (BEC). In the BEC, a group of atoms essentially behave as one atom. It forms at close to Absolute Zero. A liquid in this condition, such as liquid Helium, has zero viscosity--under its own weight, it will flow up the sides of a test tube. Recent experiments have found that light slows to 37 mph in a BEC. At Absolute Zero, molecular activity ceases; and this would be the end result of everything, according to Entropy, everything that happens removes some energy from the universe, and when Thermodynamics was first developed, people were very afraid of going into Heat Death.

    William Crookes started in the other direction; according to KH, he tried once and got the radiometer...he tried again, and got Radiant Matter (plasma, the 4th state of matter)...if he had tried again, he might have found the 5th state, and then if he had gotten close to the 6th state, we would have taken him and bound him to secrecy. Crookes didn't get that far, although this is similar to what St. Germain did, with subjects unknown--penetrated the veil and got put under oath.

    If there was an occult brotherhood influencing Europe much, it was the Egyptian one, which was highly secretive. About all that has been given to us about it, was that it had three branches, including: Serapis Bey (chief of Ellora section), Polydorus Isurenus (Solomon section), Robert More (Zoroaster section). Serapis Bey is sometimes referred to as "Maha Sahib" (sahib, respectful title towards westerners) and also, "youngest of the Chohans" (chohan, Dharma Lord, an initiation above Mahatma). It's thought that Col. Olcott did his magnetic healing based from a lock of hair from Serapis Bey. HPB had met him as early as 1860. They also knew Hilarion, a Greek Cypriote. Whatever this group was, vanished around 1882, escaping the British bombadment of Alexandria (presumably).

    In the words of KH:

    Just now I am able to give you a bit of information, which bears upon the so often discussed question of our allowing phenomena. The Egyptian operations of your blessed countrymen involve such local consequences to the body of Occultists still remaining there and to what they are guarding, that two of our adepts are already there, having joined some Druze brethren and three more on their way. I was offered the agreeable privilege of becoming an eye-witness to the human butchery, but -- declined with thanks. For such great emergency is our Force stored up, and hence -- we dare not waste it on fashionable tamasha. (show, spectacle, entertainment)

    I have to leave again, will try to get back to this; can hardly concentrate or do much, due to environmental factors.

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    I'm not saying the Masons don't *use* the Anno Lucis calendar, nor am I defending the Bushes.
    All I am saying is that Masons have this date, 4000 BC, which could represent for them the beginning of the Age of Taurus. If you accept that and you accept that some people use 2000 years as the length of the zodiac ages, then 6000 years later would be the end of Pisces and the beginning of Aquarius. 2001 could have been the first year of the Age of Aquarius, according to certain occultists in key positions of power.

    Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey is about alchemical transformation and rebirth and included Kabbalistic planetary symbolism. 2001 was the year of 9/11. Next to the Twin Towers - which are already humongous occult symbols built by the Rockefellers, who also placed many occult statues and paintings around their Rockefeller Center - is the Millenium Hilton Hotel, a building built to look like the monolith from 2001.

    Powerful people have built monuments to Masonry all over the US and the world. Many of our most famous statues/structures are Masonic symbols. Many of our presidents, founding fathers, and other powerful players have been Masons. Our current power players know the score, and they are managing world events based on the occult timeline.

    From Cinema Symbolism by 32° Freemason Robert Sullivan:
    "Even more curious is that Anderson's passport expires on September 11th, 2001 which cannot be coincidence nor can it be passed off as mere happenstance. To this author this qabbalistic date allegorizes the start of the Age of Aquarius and the eschatological conclusion of the old Age of Pisces thus announcing a new order of the ages birthed by the pains of destruction, death, and turmoil as, according to the Bible, all new ages begin." - p. 228.
    Quote I don't see how political power plays are particularly occult. I do see that most of the establishment families are almost exclusively Christian.
    From my perspective, the power players of the world are basing their actions on occult history, mostly with respect to the cycle of precession. Powerful people set Jesus' birthdate at the reset point of the cycle, and powerful people today performed 9/11 at the dawning of Aquarius. Israel is an occult venture. The Nazis were into the Secret Doctrine. Masonic symbolism was used in the JFK assassination. Masonic/occult symbolism is everywhere in our society, and the most powerful people are the most aware of all this.
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    Indeed, such Masonry was prevalent during former eras, heavily colored by Judaism/Christianity, with almost all of the members remaining Jews and Christians.

    Most of the American Founding Fathers were Deists.

    Have we seen a verifiable edict from the Grand Lodge of any particular country which would ordain to all Brethren what the calendar is and what it's about? Or is there an optional Rite that reveals it? And would either signify that it holds the truth?

    I can easily accept that some people believe that 2000 years is a Zodiacal Age, however, that can be rejected immediately, as to whether it is a fact. I try to use most of the terms in their most pristine senses, as in the following sentence:

    "The Occult Brotherhood is as much Masonic as modern Masonry is non-Masonic". (HPB)

    I believe the Fixed Cross/Royal Stars, the "Age of Taurus", the death of Krishna/beginning of Kali Yug are much more valid indicators towards the start of cycles, the "key to half the world's religious mysteries". I was able to set up Astrolog 6.1, dial it in to Ayodhya at the time of Krishna's departure, and independently verify the close conjunction of sacred planets, finding the Royal Stars and Spica where expected, with the vernal equinox hitting the "Bull's Eye"--Aldebaran. Our letter "A" is upside down, but is the same alpha, aleph, bull's head.

    David Pratt seems to be wrong in saying there have not been any other close conjunctions. Setting up for Khorasan, it was easy to verify Persian records of other ones:
    March 3, 1953 BC
    August 29, 3440 BC
    April 24-27, 4 BC
    May 31, 531

    The Indian one, February 18, 3102 BC, as pertaining to the Kali Yug, is associated with the ratio of the Tetraktys, 4:3:2:1, which also adds to ten. The mystery of seven to ten is in this. Slightly different that the Chaldean Hexadecimal reckoning, which would lead more towards 30 degree tropical signs and the like.

    I have not been able to find information on any other objects that do not follow equinoctical precession, because even the argument that Sirius doesn't, is inaccurate. It does precess, making a big circle, which for a time puts it below the horizon of northern latitudes. Borrowing from a thread at Cosmoquest, another good spot to have hypotheses scientifically disproven:

    "The Egyptians used a calendar of 365 days, so the first day of their calendar year drifted around the seasons by the ~0.25 day difference between 365 days and the real year. The Egyptians observed the heliacal rising of Sirius as a marker of the new seasonal year for hundreds or possibly thousands of years...The Sothic Cycle is just the period over which this Egyptian calendar again aligns to the seasons. For example, as noted above in quote from Lockyer, if the calendar priests noted that Sirius rose heliacally on one date in their 365 day calendar, their records would show that in four years it rose on the next day, and so on. In 100 years it would rise 25 days later in the 365 day calendar. In 1461 years (365.25 x 4) it would rise one year later, completing a cycle. This is a fairly simple mathematical calculation for people who were apparently able to orient their pyramids and temples with such precision...The main point of the opening post is to show how something that has seemed fairly constant over historical time, the heliacal position of Sirius, only seems constant because Sirius reached its most distant point from the South Celestial Pole in about 1000 AD, at which time the position of its heliacal rise stopped and reversed direction... Part of the reason for presenting this material is to help refute unscientific ideas about precession. Over the 26,000 year cycle of precession, the rising point of Sirius moves relatively rapidly when it is orthogonal to the axis between the celestial and ecliptic poles (inflection points ~5400BC and 7500AD) and appears to barely move at all when it crosses this axis (~1000 AD and ~12000 BC). This apparent stasis during centuries of historical time, as the rising point of Sirius turns from moving northward to southward, was used by writers such as Homann to make incorrect claims that Sirius does not precess and that precession is due to some other mechanism than lunisolar torque."

    The interesting point that researcher found was that, in its big circle of precession, for several centuries, Sirius slows down around both its northern and southern extremes, and accelerates on the eastern/western sides. Thus, observations made during its slower centuries are not going to report it moving very much. But as far as all its observed behavior goes, we would conclude that it is neither a non-precessionary object, nor is it a binary star to our own Sun.

    It *is* one of the absolute closest stars to us, and, according to almost all world wide astrology, strongly influential to everything...unlike other stars & planets that have times of influence and times of weakness.

    I mistakenly said HPB met Serapis Bey in 1860; it was actually Hilarion Smerdis/Ooton Liatto. Same fellow that visited her in New York (on the way to Japan) with an older adept, who produced "dry rains" in Olcott's room upstairs with their mayavirupas. He eventually headed to Bombay then Tibet in 1881 for an initiation, and never was known to return to Cyprus or Egypt after the British occupation. Put together with Koothoomi's statement, it sounds very much like the Egyptian lodge was dismantled and folded into the Druze.

    Now whether to say...the beginning of Kali Yug is the *same* as the beginning of the Age of Taurus...whether Aldebaran should be the cusp, or 15 deg Taurus...I am not sure. What is more significant? The "clock time" of a Great Year, which is different every go round? Or the actual physical positions and aspects amongst stars and planets?

    The moon is always a good place to begin figuring on things as each phase is one week, something much easier for us to relate to. Interestingly, each phase places it in a different relationship with the solar wind (plasma). The moon has neglible atmosphere or magnetism of its own. Thus, at the new moon, it takes the solar wind head on...and then, past the moon, it creates a wake, a turbulence in the plasma stream which then reaches earth.

    At the full moon, its completely within the earth's shield, and at the quarters, it is transiting through degrees of protection.

    Venus and Mars have negligible magnetism, but they have atmospheres; as plasma buffets these planets, induction causes the atmosphere to develop a protective layer. Mercury, Earth, Jupiter, and Saturn are protected by atmosphere and magnetism.

    Venus and Earth have near circular orbits, but all orbits are elliptical. Orbits undergo apsidal precession, that is, the ellipse itself spins around. An inaccuracy in Mercury's apsidal precession was once the basis for the theory of Vulcan; Einstein's General Relativity was found to explain it though.

    The Sun/Solar system itself seems to be just orbiting the galactic center, while bouncing above and below the galactic plane like a sine wave. Sagittarius A is not even in the constellation Sagittarius, but fairly close to it; the "Teapot" asterism "spouts out" the galactic bulge where it is:



    I don't know the period of the "solar bounce" compared to the galactic plane, but this could well also affect observed positions of astronomical objects by several degrees.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Indeed, such Masonry was prevalent during former eras, heavily colored by Judaism/Christianity, with almost all of the members remaining Jews and Christians.

    Most of the American Founding Fathers were Deists.
    The base level of Freemasonry and the occult is a different interpretation of religion. I've said this several times. Deism is very consistent with the Masonic Grand Architect of the Universe.

    Quote Have we seen a verifiable edict from the Grand Lodge of any particular country which would ordain to all Brethren what the calendar is and what it's about?
    No, of course not. That's an absurd question. This is my interpretation based on the two sources I provided, along with a lot of circumstantial evidence. Masons will not admit much publicly, and I dont think they all necessarily use this calendar.

    Even if you take the 4000 BC date out of this scenario, 9/11 was 2000 years after the birth of Jesus. That is the length of one zodiac age using the 2000/24000 year system.

    I have also produced a quote from a 32nd Degree Freemason saying that 9/11/2001 was the start of Aquarius.

    Quote I can easily accept that some people believe that 2000 years is a Zodiacal Age, however, that can be rejected immediately, as to whether it is a fact.
    I've addressed this before. I am not talking about the exact point of the ending and beginning of ages. I dont think there is an exact point, and both occultists and non-occultists have given dates for the start of Aquarius that vary by hundreds of years. The dates I am talking about are symbolic of the changing of ages, much like Christmas is a day representing the birthday of Jesus.

    I am not talking about the scientific value of these theories, either. I am only trying to say that this is a calendar certain people are using. One can talk about Nazism or Mormonism without actually thinking their beliefs correspond to reality.

    Quote I believe the Fixed Cross/Royal Stars, the "Age of Taurus", the death of Krishna/beginning of Kali Yug are much more valid indicators towards the start of cycles, the "key to half the world's religious mysteries".
    Again, I'm not talking about scientific truth. Also, I am aware the signs Higgins talks about are not the cardinal signs in standard astrology, but he calls them cardinal signs for some reason having to do with the cardinal points. These are the important signs though. They are the four beasts of Revelation and are referred to in Tarot, alchemy, Masonry, etc.

    Quote The interesting point that researcher found was that, in its big circle of precession, for several centuries, Sirius slows down around both its northern and southern extremes, and accelerates on the eastern/western sides. Thus, observations made during its slower centuries are not going to report it moving very much. But as far as all its observed behavior goes, we would conclude that it is neither a non-precessionary object, nor is it a binary star to our own Sun.
    I assume almost every professional astronomer one could ask would say that Sirius is not our binary partner. Jay Holberg, author of Sirius: Brightest Diamond in the Night Sky, told me through email that he did not think this was possible for several reasons. If you read this book though, you will see a picture of the scientist who discovered Sirius B making a Masonic gesture.


    At the simplest level, I am only making a few points:
    -that occultism is largely about cycles and the most important of these cycles is the Great Year of precession.

    -that varying levels of consciousness accompany the ages/yugas of this cycle, with man reaching his highest state in a Golden Age.

    -that Sirius, or the Eastern Star, is of significance to Masons, Crowley, the story of the birth of Jesus, etc.

    -and that a binary star system is consistent with the previous points, however impossible it may seem to modern science.

    If you disagree with any of these points, let me know.

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    Quote Posted by blackdog (here)
    -that occultism is largely about cycles and the most important of these cycles is the Great Year of precession.

    -that varying levels of consciousness accompany the ages/yugas of this cycle, with man reaching his highest state in a Golden Age.

    -that Sirius, or the Eastern Star, is of significance to Masons, Crowley, the story of the birth of Jesus, etc.

    -and that a binary star system is consistent with the previous points, however impossible it may seem to modern science.
    Occultism is the science of the invisible world, with the science of the visible subsequently in tow. Cycles are an important law and pattern in this, from the astronomical to microscopic levels. The real numbers and computations have never been given out. HPB was not an occultist; only a student. She did mention the Great Year was of profound significance, but this concept was never really expounded. The Yugas contain many Great Years. In Collected Writings vol. 14, she reacted to Virgil's Sybelline quote the same way I did--not finding the aftermath of Jesus to be any Golden Age, it was not a prophecy of his birth, but a generic statement about the Iron Age. Greater importance was given to root races, rounds, and chains; kalpas and manvantaras. Man reaches his highest point in the 7th Root Race (which may be the Golden Age), but this is merely a signpost on the way to the next round; human monads perpetually evolve until reaching a new kingdom or hierarchy. Some move faster than the flock, while some souls are lost and the monad lapses into pralaya until a new manvantara.

    Seven is the paramount number of manifestation; four is the midway point, the lowest in a cycle of seven. On Earth, we just passed the 4th race (Atlantean) of the 4th round on our 4th (physical) globe. I am not sure how many Great Years ago that lowest point was, and when dates are given out for the destruction of Ruta and Daitya, these are probably just suggestive; we're not given the real figures.

    Post-Poseidonis, things should tighten up. That was within our Great Year no matter how you count it. The same Fish-man and Flood Stories that pertain to this (smaller) cycle, are repetitions of the same thing that happened on a previous greater cycle, back through the other continents, into times when the planet was liquified, into times when the cosmos was shaped from the Chaos; hence, fractal nature. Masons and Deists have some fragmentary truth with TGAOTU (one of the hierarchies or logoi).


    Amateur astronomers have not reported anything about a Sirius/Sun orbit either; physical objects are tracked very accurately by thousands of people around the world. Again, if it did not precess, it would very quickly be found to slide out of relationship to its own constellation, to Orion, and everything else. Meanwhile, the Solar System would be found to have an additional form of motion. None of those things seem to bear out, so I would have to disagree about the binary Sirius point. It can still have an important astrological role without that.

    As a small example of there being a certain, hidden Eastern astrological science, here is from Col. Tod who wrote "Annals and Antiquities of Rajastan"; a British serviceman who was almost unique in treating the natives with respect, and got enough of a guided tour of the area to compose 500+ pages about it:

    https://archive.org/stream/annalsant...1todj_djvu.txt
    Some copies of these Jain MSS. from Jaisalmer, which were written
    from five to eight centuries back, I presented to the Royal Asiatic Society.
    Of the vast numbers of these MS. books in the libraries of Patan and Jaisal-
    mer, many are of the most remote antiquity, and in a character no longer
    understood by their possessors, or only by the supreme pontiff and his
    initiated librarians. There is one volume held so sacred for its magical
    contents, that it is suspended by a chain in the temple of Chintaman, at the
    last-named capital in the desert, and is only taken down to have its covering
    renewed, or at the inauguration of a pontiff. Tradition assigns its author-
    ship to Somaditya Suru Acharya, a pontiff of past days, before the Islamite
    had crossed the waters of the Indus, and whose diocese extended far beyond
    that stream. His magic mantle is also here preserved, and used on every
    new installation. The character is, doubtless, the nail-headed Pali ; and
    could we introduce the ingenious, indefatigable, and modest Mons. E.
    Burnouf, with his able coadjutor Dr. Lassen, into the temple, who might
    learn something of this Sibylline volume, without their incurring the risk
    of loss of sight, which befell the last individual, a female Yati of the Jains,
    who sacrilegiously endeavoured to acquire its contents.
    Suru or Surya Acharya "Sun Teacher"--possibly related to the term Zoroaster (of whom there were thirteen). Thus, this particular book was an astrological work. Exoteric Hindu and Zoroastrian literature is replete with astrological information, so there must be something different about that particular manuscript to place it off limits. Of the Hindus, HPB says that out of 150,000,000 Brahminical adherents, including the Yogis and Paramahamsas, one would not find 150 initiates. She anticipated them making contact with the West, for instance the engineer Nikola Tesla was massively influenced by Swami Vivekananda. But she said they couldn't be teachers, because "they have nothing to give that we haven't already given out".

    There was a lady, not an astrologer, but one who formed an interesting junction of the exoteric and esoteric realms:



    from a wood cutting of Maji, the yogini of Benares (Varanasi)

    Maji lived the stereotype of an exoteric yoga ascetic. She wound up living alone in a cave, near one of India's holiest cities on the banks of the Ganges. She was not quite a hermit, as she was regularly visited by crowds of pilgrims. In this role, prior to meeting the Theosophists in 1879, she already independently knew their two primary Mahatmas; in fact, she asked HPB--Did you know we have the same guru? She said that Morya was born in Punjab and was about 300 years old, but he mostly lived in south India and especially Ceylon. She knew what symbol was on HPB's ring without having seen it. She said that Morya had a companion who was almost as old (Koothoomi). Col. Olcott received an astral visit by Morya and Maji together. These are never dreams, they always refer to a fully awake person interacting with a fully functional double.

    And Maji said she was inferior to HPB.

    Out of the numerous theories about ages that give us such widely-varying results, only one can be correct (if any of them are). Now, although, as a constellation, Aries is tiny and faint, as a sign, it's Cardinal. This term indicates fundamental or essential, a foundation, a reason for things that follow. So a Cardinal sign could come first. Egypt (exoterically) moved from a time of Serapis, which is Asr-apis, Osiris in Apis bull form, being predominant, to the Ram (Amon) of Mendes (later rendered into the Goat of Mendes, Baphomet). Allegorically, Moses may have repeated this by having a problem with golden bull worship, and setting up the ram in relation to passover.

    The thing that's making it difficult--and maybe it is in the full original works of Hipparchus or Ptolemy--is that it's certainly hard to find anywhere in Tropical astrology that specifies any star being in any degree of any constellation; it just counts from the equinox without being able to give a date for, example, the beginning or end of the Age of Aries.

    Sidereal Astrology can do that with ease--the beginning of Aries is opposite Chitra (Spica). The beginning of Aries is the end of the Revati (Zeta Piscium) Lunar Mansion. Aldebaran ends the 4th; Spica starts the 15th. These sorts of things will at least get us quite close to something that can be worked with.

    What they call the fiducial point--where the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs were the same--was in 285. This means that the "First Point of Aries" aligned to the physical cusp of Aries; since the equinox moves retrograde, this would seem to be the end of the Age of Aries. The 285 date can't be moved much without a really good case to tell us why, for instance, Spica does not mark the Virgo and Aries cusps, or something to that effect.

    I have no problem digging up any theory that's out there, to expose it and argue against it, which is what most of the first part of this thread is (although not much astrological). If it can withstand inquiry, fair enough. In the 19th century, everyone was sure they had disproved ether by the Michelson-Morley experiment, but perhaps they were "asking the wrong question". We have the full form of Maxwell equations here on Avalon (which is not mentioned in science education), but he could have made the wrong assumption by basing it all from "charge carrying particles" which would be wrong if there is an ether. Einstein himself said, "If there is an ether, I am wrong". Metaphysically, it's the 5th state of matter, but there are so many ether theories out now, it would be hard to know where to start.

    On the upswing, I think it would be great to be able to get a fairly accurate definition of the Great Year and its Ages, and there is probably much more to the Fixed Cross than only being a marker of one 2,000-ish year slice of time.

    Edit: just a quick glance at Albert Pike's numbers, which were relevant to Scottish Rite Masonry, U. S. Southern jurisdiction: Age, 2,155.6 years; Great Year, 25,856 years; start Age of Gemini, 4,610 BC; Taurus, 2455 BC; Aries, 300 BC. (He did not use the term "Age", and he wrote it a bit backwards in terms of the sun moving into that sign during the equinox--so maybe the sun moving in to Aries would be the equinox moving in to Pisces--but those are his dates; Anno Lucis is not in his book)

    Since there isn't really such a thing as a 32 deg Mason, but there is a 32 deg in the Scottish Rite, of which Mr. Sullivan is a member, it would be odd if he was unaware of these figures, and he said 2001 "allegorizes" a change of Ages, which is not a very precise term.
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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Occultism is the science of the invisible world, with the science of the visible subsequently in tow. Cycles are an important law and pattern in this, from the astronomical to microscopic levels.
    Occultism is largely about this hidden history of the world. This history allows for the existence of a higher consciousness man (the Christ) during the 'upper' half of the cycle and explains the chakras and kundalini. Much of occultism is about trying to tap into these dormant powers of man.

    Quote The real numbers and computations have never been given out.
    Again, for this argument, I am not interested in the real scientific numbers. I should not have to keep repeating this point.

    Quote HPB was not an occultist; only a student.
    I am not a Blavatsky scholar, but I'm pretty sure she is considered a major occultist. This is a strange statement.

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky :
    "Helena Petrovna Blavatsky...was a Russian occultist, spirit medium, and author who co-founded the Theosophical Society in 1875. She gained an international following as the leading theoretician of Theosophy, the esoteric movement that the society promoted."
    Quote She did mention the Great Year was of profound significance, but this concept was never really expounded. The Yugas contain many Great Years. In Collected Writings vol. 14, she reacted to Virgil's Sybelline quote the same way I did--not finding the aftermath of Jesus to be any Golden Age, it was not a prophecy of his birth, but a generic statement about the Iron Age.


    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclogue_4:
    "Now is come the last age of the Cumaean prophecy:
    The great cycle of periods is born anew.
    Now returns the Maid, returns the reign of Saturn:
    Now from high heaven a new generation comes down.
    Yet do thou at that boy's birth,
    In whom the iron race shall begin to cease,
    And the golden to arise over all the world,
    Holy Lucina, be gracious; now thine own Apollo reigns."

    Eclogue 4 (ll. 4–11), as translated by John William Mackail; this section illustrates the poem's references to the Cumaean Sibyl, the birth of a savior child, and the dawning of the Golden Age.
    More from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclogue_4:
    ...the piece was written around 42 BC...

    In line 4, the speaker references the Cumaean Sibyl, claiming it as a source for his unfolding prophecy concerning the magnus ordo saeclorum, or "great order of the ages". The following lines (ll. 5–10) reference a myriad grouping of ideas: Hesiod's Ages of Man; the concept of a magnus annus, or the "Great Year" that begins a great age; the Italian idea of saecula; Plato's idea that there is a periodic rule of Saturn; and finally "eastern messianic" views similar to those found in the Sibylline Oracles, a collection of supposed oracular utterances written in Greek hexameters ascribed to the prophetesses who uttered divine revelations in a frenzied state.

    "The great cycle of periods is born anew." He basically comes right out and says it.

    "Now returns the Maid." 'Maid' here is translated from the Latin word 'Virgo'. The Age of Virgo returns using the the Autumnal Equinox. Using the Spring Equinox, the Age of Pisces returns, and Jesus is clearly associated with the fish. The fish god was born of a virgin. The age of Virgo/Pisces returns.

    "...returns the reign of Saturn"..."a new generation comes down..." A new race of the cycle of precession begins at this point. Saturn is the god of the golden age. Mankind returns on its journey toward this next golden age.

    "...at this boy's birth..." This point in time happens at the birth of a boy. This is the child of the alchemical marriage. He will grow up to maturity in the next golden age.

    '"...the iron age begins to cease..." This sets the birth of the boy at the center of the Iron Age, the point furthest away from the height of the golden age. It is a clear reference to the Hindu Yuga system.


    There are multiple points of agreement here with the idea that the cycle of precession began again at the point of Jesus' birth, as interpreted by powerful people of that time. The possibility exists that they were not exact in their calculations, but the significance of the date remains.

    Also, this Virgil quote is the origin of 'Novus Ordo Seclorum', the most infamous of conspiracy phrases and the most prominently displayed. This quote is important enough for powerful people to keep continuously in the public eye.

    Let me acknowledge again here that the binary star theory seems nutty in the face of mainstream science. It does not seem possible. If it is what some occultists are keeping hidden though, it would help explain the astronomical conditions that would alter levels of human consciousness. It would also explain the cyclical nature of this process.

    Yet, this could all be another religion, and the lot of it could be completely made up for all I know. This is why I am not trying to argue the point scientifically.

    Quote Greater importance was given to root races, rounds, and chains; kalpas and manvantaras. Man reaches his highest point in the 7th Root Race (which may be the Golden Age), but this is merely a signpost on the way to the next round; human monads perpetually evolve until reaching a new kingdom or hierarchy. Some move faster than the flock, while some souls are lost and the monad lapses into pralaya until a new manvantara.
    The seventh root race is not the golden age. There is a golden age in each cycle. Man evolves cyclically within the precession cycle but also more linearly from root race to root race, with the seventh root race being the most evolved.

    Quote Amateur astronomers have not reported anything about a Sirius/Sun orbit either; physical objects are tracked very accurately by thousands of people around the world. Again, if it did not precess, it would very quickly be found to slide out of relationship to its own constellation, to Orion, and everything else. Meanwhile, the Solar System would be found to have an additional form of motion. None of those things seem to bear out, so I would have to disagree about the binary Sirius point. It can still have an important astrological role without that.
    Again, I am not talking about the science. I assume that almost every amateur astronomer would say the binary theory is impossible, as well.

    The stars precess very slowly, so it may not be evident unless one looks for a lack of precession specifically. The process is thousands of years long and the gravitational pull is supposed to speed the process up as the two suns get closer. If you are interested, I believe Walter Cruttenden uses the work of an amateur astronomer who says Sirius does not precess. I am not arguing this point, though, because I dont know if it precesses or not.

    Quote Out of the numerous theories about ages that give us such widely-varying results, only one can be correct (if any of them are).
    Incorrect. As I keep saying, there is no exact date, so the times used by different people are largely symbolic.

    Quote I have no problem digging up any theory that's out there, to expose it and argue against it, which is what most of the first part of this thread is (although not much astrological).
    So, you are just here to disprove occult theories? I think if any of these occult theories - like the chakras, kundalini, or cyclical history - are true, then science has dropped the ball in a phenomenal way, and then using that same science
    to disprove those theories would be a mistake.

    Quote Edit: just a quick glance at Albert Pike's numbers, which were relevant to Scottish Rite Masonry, U. S. Southern jurisdiction: Age, 2,155.6 years; Great Year, 25,856 years; start Age of Gemini, 4,610 BC; Taurus, 2455 BC; Aries, 300 BC. (He did not use the term "Age", and he wrote it a bit backwards in terms of the sun moving into that sign during the equinox--so maybe the sun moving in to Aries would be the equinox moving in to Pisces--but those are his dates; Anno Lucis is not in his book)
    I agree here. I have read many Freemasons who use different years and lengths of precessions and ages. The 2,000 year theory is mostly my own based on what I have already said. It is based, also, on a lot of symbolism, like that of 9/11, which I assume you reject because you have not addressed it at all.

    Quote Since there isn't really such a thing as a 32 deg Mason, but there is a 32 deg in the Scottish Rite, of which Mr. Sullivan is a member, it would be odd if he was unaware of these figures, and he said 2001 "allegorizes" a change of Ages, which is not a very precise term.
    This is argumentative. Are you just here to disprove? That means you have already reached your conclusion?

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    Quote Posted by blackdog (here)
    -that occultism is largely about cycles and the most important of these cycles is the Great Year of precession.

    -that varying levels of consciousness accompany the ages/yugas of this cycle, with man reaching his highest state in a Golden Age.

    -that Sirius, or the Eastern Star, is of significance to Masons, Crowley, the story of the birth of Jesus, etc.

    -and that a binary star system is consistent with the previous points, however impossible it may seem to modern science.
    I appreciate the thorough responses, but the reason I attempted to shorten the argument into four points was to try to simplify the discussion. From what I can tell, you disagree with all these points?

    I thought we had at least agreed that the precession of the equinoxes was the most important cycle.


    What interested me about the thread was the combination of the serpent, the black sun, and Blavatsky. The black sun is the binary partner, which causes the kundalini serpent to rise, initiating higher consciousness. Blavatsky talks about rounds and cyclical evolution and even includes a quote in the Secret Doctrine about four stars revolving around each other.
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    I don't disagree with it all. So far, I have mainly found that the question of Sirius being our binary, came from something Mr. Homann said that was then amplified by what Mr. Cruttenden said, and it does not seem to tally with observational evidence, so this is the thing I mainly disagree with.

    As for the Great Year, per se, while it is widely held to be of major significance, I don't really dispute that, so much as I am questioning and searching for what it truly is. Classical Theosophy barely touched on it, and spent much more time with 7x7 cycles, and the Yugas, which are based on the Tetraktys.

    Black Sun could be any invisible sun or Raja Sun, which is not necessarily a physical object but a Zero Point or Laya Point--this being the "gate" where matter can move into another plane. The matter itself is eternal, merely changing states. As to whether a black hole type of singularity even exists or does this, I don't know. Some people are saying that the universal ether is completely made of Laya Points, constantly pouring energy into the spin of electrons, for example, which makes them rotate at 1.37 times the speed of light.

    I spent probably over twenty years believing that our central sun was the black hole (or plasmoid) at the galactic core, and it does appear that, at least, the Mayans and Indians were aware of the galactic center and held it to be of tremendous importance. However, it is only in the past couple of weeks of digging, combined with the fact that our esoteric teaching is really only valid for our solar system (not the whole universe or galaxy) and finding the direct statements that our central Raja sun is located under Rho Herculis, then it follows that this entity is a big astral battery for life forces for our solar system and a few other small, minor solar systems like it--and where they're going to die.

    Morals and Dogma

    I found Albert Pike's statements contained in the lesson for deg. 25, Knight of the Brazen Serpent. Albert Pike completed ten degrees of the York Rite, which by inference is Royal Arch with the concomitant Chapter and Cryptic degrees, but not the Chivalric. He then completed the Scottish Rite, and was involved in an effort to reform it. So he wrote an 800+ pages book consisting of lessons pertaining to each degree of the Scottish Rite. He meant "Dogma" in its original sense of "doctrine or teaching". And then, right from the start, he admits that half of the book is purely quotes of other authors, which are unattributed, because it was not meant for general publication.

    It was given to all Scottish Rite Masons of the Southern Jurisdiction for about a century. It was offered to all American and Canadian Brethren, and it was available to all Brethren world wide. While this was influential, nevertheless, it was not really absorbed by the Masonic fraternity as a whole.

    What struck me from going through the Knight of the Brazen Serpent material, which is mostly astrological, is that it's not very good quality. He does throw in the occasional "according to Eusebius", but otherwise its a stew of the old sources indistinguishable from whatever he added. It contains errors, and lacks full or complete explanations for most of the subjects. And at best, it is simply a summary of exoteric systems. Thus it contains no occult or esoteric material. Notably, it is all about the visible sun; which, from any Mystery tradition, the visible sun was merely a symbol of the invisible sun.

    His best tip about Sirius was that it was in the Dog constellation because dogs bark to give you a warning, so the heliacal rising was a dog barking to warn you that the Nile was about to flood.

    How profound is that??

    On the Moral aspect, it's very good, but there again, we can gain a huge head start by reading Aesop's Fables as a child. The Dogmae are almost entirely exoteric forms, and even with those, we find strange dates about the passage from sign to sign. I don't think I've ever seen anyone else denote equinoctical precession by the motion of the Sun, but that looks like what he did, so, at least, in his terms, when the Sun moved from Pisces to Aries in 300 BC, the retrograde equinox must have passed from Aries to Pisces.

    At present, to a rough estimation, the equinox has moved 24 degrees across Pisces, so even by approximating one degree in 72 years, it entered the sign 1728 years ago, or in 288. One can, of course, do a slightly more precise calculation (i. e. Lahiri ayanamsha yields 285), but without a major change in what the sign of Pisces is, that date won't budge to 0, 155 BC, or 300 BC. Even if we only counted 5 degrees for it to finish the sign, that would be another 360 years.

    So I'm just trying to verify such Ages, while, at the same time, there is a precise moment of the beginning of a 432,000 year Kali Yug in 3102 BC, at which time the equinox was at Aldebaran, 15 deg Taurus.

    Masonry itself comes from a chartered guild of the Order of Tiron which followed the Benedictine rule, originally composed of French, and likely some Italian, craftsmen. The most radical thing about them was their use of a few bits of Celtic Christianity. A requirement for a certain degree in the York Rite is to be Christian. There never has been anything especially occult about them. Any Rosicrucian announcing himself as such, by such declaration, reveals the fact that he is not. The exoteric Egyptian priesthoods had lost most of their initiatic knowledge in the pre-Christian era. Coupled with the extermination of the Druids and other pagans, the West has lost essentially all of its esoteric knowledge. The only exceptions were either things stolen and stuffed into the Vatican, or a few things kept almost entirely hidden from public view--with even some of that being removed to Lebanon or India.

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    You mentioned a boy of the golden age, well is that Christ? or is it Prince William. This connection is from Diana, these videos says the media makes out Diana was a carrier of the holy bloodline of Christ, but really William was a clone (using the DNA taken from bloodstains on the shroud of Turin). A Jesus clone would be open to possession by a satanic entity, a clone would be a reincarnation without a soul ~ he is the Zion King that would be accepted by people all over the world, hence the new world order. The media will tell the world he is descended from Christ...when he is the antichrist. (this is in the book of revelation).



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    Christ is not an individual. And the Iron Age has about 427,000 years to go. Here is a slightly fuller rendering of the Ecologue:

    The last era of Cumaean song is now arrived and the grand series of ages begins afresh. Now the Virgin Astraea returns, and the reign of Saturn recommences. Now a new progeny descends from the celestial realms. Do thou, chaste Lucina, smile propitious to the infant Boy who will bring to a close the present Age of Iron, and introduce throughout the whole world the Age of Gold. . . . He shall share the life of Gods and shall see heroes mingled in society with Gods, himself to be seen by them and all the peaceful world. . . . Then shall the herds no longer dread the huge lion, the serpent also shall die, and the poison’s deceptive plant shall perish. Come then, dear child of the Gods, great descendant of Jupiter! . . . The time is near. See, the world is shaken with its globe saluting thee: the earth, the regions of the sea, and the heavens sublime.

    So this refers to a descendant of Jupiter (Thor). In Revelation 22:16, Jesus is a descendant of the Morning Star (Venus-Lucifer). By the point we have heroes and gods openly mingling in society, we will have worked out most of the questions we have these days. It doesn't seem particularly close.

    The highest degree in Masonry is three. There is nothing higher than a third degree Mason. Everyone who tells you otherwise is pulling the wool over your eyes. The "higher degrees" in Masonic Rites are simply additional material, which is an optional addendum to Craft Masonry, not part of it. And worse, when they say the capstone of the pyramid represents something, that's thin air. Four people designed the seal of the United States. One of them was a Mason--Benjamin Franklin. He did not insert that part. It was done by an artist called Pierre du Smitiere, and obtained from Christian art.

    For curiosity, looking at what Albert Pike had to say about the Craft degrees, at least there he refers to Invisible Fire and associates Sirius with Isis and Thoth, but that disappeared from deg. 25. Not the worst book, but not the best either. Pike's cohort Charles Sotheran was an original member of the Theosophical Society, but did not stick around long. As we found, in deg. 25 they claim that what we would call the Age of Pisces started in 300 BC; presumably so that Aquarius would come round for their reforms (1872).

    There is nothing in the Mahatma Letters that deals with what we would call Astrology, besides one evidence of ancient races being kept in "Zodiacal records"--which I am going to guess means the science of Astrology passed down from Atlantis. Which was the source from which Zoroastrian and Vedic astrology were once one. The teaching on cycles includes this diagram by Djwal Kul, intended for root races, onto which Koothoomi added Globes and Earth so it works for the whole manvantaric chain, again a fractal.



    "E" is an equator, above which things are in a more spiritual condition, below which, more material. At least in these letters, mostly responses to what A. P. Sinnet asked, this is the crucial form of cycles.

    After these original dispensations, Annie Besant came under the sway of a Mr. Chakramvarti, an orthodox Brahmin. He greatly accelerated the "falling away" and the introduction of other things. A few years down the road, one of the real disciples of Koothoomi, B. P. Wadia, an Indian of Zoroastrian (Parsi) descent, who had apparently met the Master at the Elephanta complex, started getting sick of what Ledbeater, Besant, and Bailey were doing, and was instrumental in forming the ULT. He was probably one of the last ones who made an attempt to set some people into direct contact with KH. One of these people turned out to be--Dion Fortune. After a brief period, Dion did not want to be involved, as the "source" did not seem to care for European attitudes or Christianity.

    Subba Row thought that too many secrets were given out by the Theosophists; he made a few interesting points though. He said some of the ways that astrological signs could be interpreted in Sanskrit were by: words that were synonyms; numerology; myths and allegories associated with the word; or permutations of the syllables. Aries usually carries the name Aswini, but he used "ancient" sources that call it Mesha. A synonym for Mesha is Aja: unborn. Hence Brahman or Parabrahm. This would justify it as being a first and Cardinal sign.

    Kanya is a virgin, hence, shakti, and being the sixth sign, indicates six operative powers: Parashakti (light and heat); jnanashakti (mind, wisdom); ichchhashakti (will); kriyashakti (mind operating on matter); kundalinishakti; matrikashakti (letters, speech, music). His description of kundalinishakti is atypical:

    Literally, the power or force which moves in a serpentine or curved path. It is the universal life-principle which everywhere manifests itself in nature. This force includes in itself the two great forces of attraction and repulsion. Electricity and magnetism are but manifestations of it. This is the power or force which brings about that "continuous adjustment of internal relations to external relations", which is the essence of life according to Herbert Spencer, and that " continuous adjustment of external relations to internal relations", which is the basis of transmigration of souls or punarjanmam (re-birth) according to the doctrines of the ancient Hindû philosophers. A Yogi must thoroughly subjugate this power or force before he can attain Moksha. This force is, in fact, the great serpent of the Bible.

    Now that is a significantly less flowery version than it's often described as, but from personal experience, I would have to say that internal/external relationship thing is spot on. Quote taken from a pamphlet simply called Twelve Signs of the Zodiac. It doesn't mention Ages or a Great Year, but so far is about the only place where any chela deals with a familiar form of astrology. He seems to be saying that the constellations are irrelevant to the signs, and thus leaning to a tropical system, the value being the ideas/philosophy about it.

    Israel Regardie of the Golden Dawn said the beginning of the Zodiac is marked by Regulus. It's 5 deg Leo, so if we used that, it would shift everything 360 years away from the normal dates. He didn't explain it; in the Persian system, it is the "dominant" star, but I am not sure if they used it as a marker. With the Royal Stars, the Bull's Eye and Heart of the Scorpion are right at 15 deg in their signs; the Regulus-Fomalhaut axis is skewed, Fomalhaut being 9 deg Aquarius.

    Not really sure what to make of Virgil. An MIT translation is:

    Now the last age by Cumae's Sibyl sung
    Has come and gone, and the majestic roll
    Of circling centuries begins anew:
    Justice returns, returns old Saturn's reign,
    With a new breed of men sent down from heaven.
    Only do thou, at the boy's birth in whom
    The iron shall cease, the golden race arise,

    and so on...it could have foretold Augustus...but here we're missing a virgin and an age and I don't know Latin.

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    Here's what I found. I have been studying hidden secrets of architecture in my hometown of Chico, California for a long time. The town was founded by a man named John Bidwell who I found had ties to Knights Templar (original) Ormus le Guidon. His ancestors founded Hartford Connecticut. I had always suspected that the founding of Chico and its architectural scheme were related to the "Mysteries" of Mt. Shasta which include St. Germain and many Theosophical concepts.

    To my amazement I found John Bidwell having had an impressive array of ancestors and direct relatives that had a huge impact on what we consider "New Age" thought today. John Bidwell's relations include: William Biddulph who compiled and authored portions of the King James Version; Henry Steel Olcott who is considered the co-founder of the Theosophical Society; Harvey Spencer Lewis the founder of the Rosicrucian Order; Guy Ballard the founder of the "I Am Activity" at Mt. Shasta; and finally English botanist and brother in law of Charles Darwin Joseph Dalton Hooker. Hooker and Bidwell traveled to Mt. Shasta in the late nineteenth century and Hooker's exploration of the Himalayas may have impacted many of the strange stories we see later surfacing at Mt. Shasta including cities beneath the mountain and the influence of the ascended masters.

    In addition the Native American mythology of Mt. Shasta seems to indicate very similar concepts that may have been interpreted as a remnant of a "Man in the Mountain" myth that is similar to that of Charlemagne and core Rosicrucian beliefs.

    In the end I found direct links via people and concepts to many of the "mysteries" that have been presented to the public such as Oak Island, The Beale Treasure, and Kensington Rune. All of these mysteries in part teach you Rosicrucian and New Age concepts. My latest video series and book entitled "Mysteries and Legends of Northern California: Mt. Shasta Revealed" discusses all of this in depth. In the early days of the United States a war was waged for the hearts and minds of the American People and this included folklore and the propagation of a specific mythology by the Society of the Cincinnati. The Society employed people like Edgar Allan Poe, James Fenimore Cooper, and Samuel Morse to present the new American culture in the arts. The mineral wealth of California attracted Royal and monied interests from Europe who attempted to create their own history and folklore in California. See two part video series linked below.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    And the Iron Age has about 427,000 years to go.
    We already discussed this. There are clearly long and short interpretations of these time periods, and I dont think that is controversial.

    If we really have 427,000 years to go, why do new age types like Bailey talk about a new world order to go along with the coming new age?

    Quote Here is a slightly fuller rendering of the Ecologue:
    Different people can, and have, interpreted this passage in a variety of ways. I accept that. I am saying "Novus Ordo Seclorum" has a special meaning for secret society types. These people are secretive, so we arent going to find any mainstream confirmation of my theory.

    This is the Latin. You can type it into a Google Latin-to-English translator if you want. Different academics and religious people put spin on the passage because they want it to agree with their wider interpretations of Virgil, that time period, and history in general.

    Sicelides Musae, paulo maiora canamus.
    non omnis arbusta iuvant humilesque myricae;
    si canimus silvas, silvae sint consule dignae.
    Ultima Cumaei venit iam carminis aetas;
    magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo.
    iam redit et Virgo, redeunt Saturnia regna,
    iam nova progenies caelo demittitur alto.
    tu modo nascenti puero, quo ferrea primum
    desinet ac toto surget gens aurea mundo,
    casta fave Lucina; tuus iam regnat Apollo.

    I already posted the translation from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclogue_4. You can see in the fourth line that "the maid," or however you want to translate it, is Virgo in Latin. Some people even try to translate Saturnia into something other than Saturn.

    Type "magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo" into a google translator, and you get "the great cycle begins anew." This line by itself is plenty for me. I think it is reasonable for one to accept this theory as a possibility.

    Type the words in individually if you like. Google translate may recognize famous Latin phrases and have a default translation for them:

    Magnus = great, ab integro = anew, saeclorum = ages, nascitur = is born, ordo = order

    So, great...anew...ages...is born...order, or something like 'the great order of the ages is born anew'.

    I think I've already posted this from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclogue_4 :
    "In line 4, the speaker references the Cumaean Sibyl, claiming it as a source for his unfolding prophecy concerning the magnus ordo saeclorum, or "great order of the ages". The following lines (ll. 5–10) reference a myriad grouping of ideas: Hesiod's Ages of Man; the concept of a magnus annus, or the "Great Year" that begins a great age; the Italian idea of saecula; Plato's idea that there is a periodic rule of Saturn..."
    There are academics who relate it to the Great Year and the ages of history.

    It's a controversial theory based on a lot of circumstantial evidence and interpretation. No mainstreamer is going to spoon feed it to us.

    Quote The highest degree in Masonry is three. There is nothing higher than a third degree Mason. Everyone who tells you otherwise is pulling the wool over your eyes. The "higher degrees" in Masonic Rites are simply additional material, which is an optional addendum to Craft Masonry, not part of it. And worse, when they say the capstone of the pyramid represents something, that's thin air. Four people designed the seal of the United States. One of them was a Mason--Benjamin Franklin. He did not insert that part. It was done by an artist called Pierre du Smitiere, and obtained from Christian art.
    This is mainstream propaganda. If you really believe this, you need to spend a lot more time looking into it.

    Quote For curiosity, looking at what Albert Pike had to say about the Craft degrees, at least there he refers to Invisible Fire and associates Sirius with Isis and Thoth, but that disappeared from deg. 25. Not the worst book, but not the best either. Pike's cohort Charles Sotheran was an original member of the Theosophical Society, but did not stick around long. As we found, in deg. 25 they claim that what we would call the Age of Pisces started in 300 BC; presumably so that Aquarius would come round for their reforms (1872).
    I've addressed the actual date topic ad nauseum, and I have read Morals and Dogma.

    From Morals and Dogma by Pike:
    "The Blazing Star in the centre is said to be '"an emblem of Divine Providence, and commemorative of the star which appeared to guide the wise men of the East to the place of our Saviour's nativity." - p. 14.

    "To find in the BLAZING STAR of five points an allusion to the Divine Providence, is also fanciful ; and to make it commemorative of the Star that is said to have guided the Magi, is to give it a meaning comparatively modern. Originally it represented SIRIUS, or the Dog-star, the forerunner of the inundation of the Nile ; the God ANUBIS, companion of Isis in her search for the body of OSIRIS, her brother and husband... It became the sacred and potent sign or character of the Magi, the PENTALPHA, and is the significant emblem of Liberty and Freedom, blazing with a steady radiance amid the weltering elements of good and evil of Revolutions, and promising serene skies and fertile seasons to the nations, after the storms of change and tumult." - pg. 14-5.

    "...the Blazing Star has been regarded as an emblem of Omniscience, or the All-seeing Eye, which to the Egyptian Initiates was the emblem of Osiris, the Creator. With the YOD in the centre, it has the kabalistic meaning of the Divine Energy, manifested as Light, creating the Universe." pp. 15-6.

    "You still advance toward the Light, toward that star, blazing in the distance, which is an emblem of the Divine Truth, given by God to the first men, and preserved amid all the vicissitudes of ages in the traditions and teachings of Masonry. How far you will advance, depends upon yourself alone. Here, as everywhere in the world, Darkness struggles with Light, and clouds and shadows intervene between you and the Truth." - p. 136.

    "...and that basis was the fictitious death and resurrection of the Sun, Soul of the World, principle of life and movement in the Sublunary World, and source of our intelligences, which are but a portion of the Eternal Light blazing in that Star, their chief centre.
    It was in the Sun that Souls, it was said, were purified : and to it they repaired. It was one of the gates of the soul, through which the theologians, says Porphyry, say that it re-ascends toward the home of Light and the Good." - pp. 408.

    "The Ancient Astronomers saw all the great Symbols of Masonry in the Stars. Sirius still glitters in our Lodges as the Blazing Star..." - p. 486.

    "The Solstices, Cancer and Capricorn, the two Gates of Heaven, are the two pillars of Hercules, beyond which he, the Sun, never journeyed : and they still appear in our Lodges, as the two great columns, Jachin and Boaz, and also as the two parallel lines that bound the circle, with a point in the centre, emblem of the Sun, between the two tropics of Cancer. and Capricorn.
    "The Blazing Star in our Lodges, we have already said, represents Sirius, Anubis, or Mercury, Guardian and Guide of Souls. Our Ancient English brethren also considered it an emblem of the Sun. In the old Lectures they said : 'The Blazing Star or Glory in the centre refers us to that Grand Luminary the Sun, which enlightens the Earth, and by its genial influence dispenses blessings to mankind.' It is also said in those lectures to be an emblem of Prudence. The word Prudentia means, in its original and fullest signification, Foresight: and accordingly the Blazing Star has been regarded as an emblem of Omniscience, or the All-Seeing Eye, which to the Ancients was the Sun." - p. 506.

    "The birth of the Sun is always announced by its Star, represented by the Blazing Star, which you will know by its fiery color; and it is followed in its course by the silvery lustre of the Moon." - p. 787.

    "For the Master, the Compass of Faith is above the Square of Reason ; but both rest upon the Holy Scriptures and combine to form the Blazing Star of Truth." - p. 841.

    "Tradition also gives these Magi the title of "Kings;" because initiation into Magism constitutes a genuine royalty ; and because the grand art of the Magi is styled by all the Adepts "The Royal Art," or the Holy Realm or Empire, Sanctum Regnum.
    "The Star which guided them is that same Blazing Star, the image whereof we find in all initiations. To the Alchemists it is the sign of the Quintessence ; to the Magists, the Grand Arcanum ; to the Kabalists, the Sacred Pentagram. The study of this Pentagram could not but lead the Magi to the knowledge of the New Name which was about to raise itself above all names, and cause all creatures capable of adoration to bend the knee." - p. 842.

    Quote Aries usually carries the name Aswini, but he used "ancient" sources that call it Mesha. A synonym for Mesha is Aja: unborn. Hence Brahman or Parabrahm. This would justify it as being a first and Cardinal sign.
    If you are referring to the quote about Taurus, Aqaurius, Scorpio, and Leo being the cardinal signs, I've already addressed this, too. I dont know why these Masons refer to them as the cardinal signs. They are the 'important' signs and are seen in the Bible, Tarot, alchemy, Masonry, etc. I see them as being the middle signs of the four seasons of cyclical history.
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    Mount Chasta is a portal, it is a sacred place to the native americans.

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    Here's what I found. I have been studying hidden secrets of architecture in my hometown of Chico, California for a long time. The town was founded by a man named John Bidwell who I found had ties to Knights Templar (original) Ormus le Guidon. His ancestors founded Hartford Connecticut. I had always suspected that the founding of Chico and its architectural scheme were related to the "Mysteries" of Mt. Shasta which include St. Germain and many Theosophical concepts.
    Interesting stuff. I think I may have found and watched these videos a few years ago. I like that Gateway Science Museum. Like the Gateway Arch? For a while I considered the possibility that the Masonic 'G' stood for 'Gateway'.

    In Stanley Kubrick's 2001, Bowman goes through a stargate, or gateway, and experiences a mystical transformation and rebirth. There is a building next to the World Trade Center complex called the Millenium Hilton Hotel, which was intentionally built to look like the monolith from 2001. Do you have any opinions about the symbolism and/or placement of the Twin Towers, the Gateway Arch, or the events of 9/11 representing the dawn of the new age?

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    Quote Posted by Cartomancer (here)
    Here's what I found. I have been studying hidden secrets of architecture in my hometown of Chico, California for a long time. The town was founded by a man named John Bidwell who I found had ties to Knights Templar (original) Ormus le Guidon. His ancestors founded Hartford Connecticut. I had always suspected that the founding of Chico and its architectural scheme were related to the "Mysteries" of Mt. Shasta which include St. Germain and many Theosophical concepts.
    Interesting stuff. I think I may have found and watched these videos a few years ago. I like that Gateway Science Museum. Like the Gateway Arch? For a while I considered the possibility that the Masonic 'G' stood for 'Gateway'.

    In Stanley Kubrick's 2001, Bowman goes through a stargate, or gateway, and experiences a mystical transformation and rebirth. There is a building next to the World Trade Center complex called the Millenium Hilton Hotel, which was intentionally built to look like the monolith from 2001. Do you have any opinions about the symbolism and/or placement of the Twin Towers, the Gateway Arch, or the events of 9/11 representing the dawn of the new age?
    Here is a link to an article I just wrote about how the architecture of the Freedom Tower represents a New Jerusalem in association with St. Paul's Chapel. I have written about the array of architecture in NYC starting about six years ago. I noted the monolith and 2001 association also in a video from several years ago. The same tradition that is present at St. Paul's in fact is an earlier component of what we see at Mt. Shasta. I have covered this in my last two books "The Sacred Towers of the Axis Mundi" and "The Geographic Mysteries of Sir Francis Bacon." There are also some 911 oriented videos on my youtube channel Cort Lindahl. Thank you. http://survivalcell.blogspot.com/p/s...teries-of.html

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    Thanks for the responses. I will have to take a closer look at those later or tomorrow. At the moment, I have the Virgil quote in mind, and have a pretty good crack at it. It's less...astrological, and almost completely down-to-earth.

    From Collected Writings, vol. 14: Occultism must win the day, before the present era reaches “Sani’s (Saturn’s) triple septenary” of the Western Cycle in Europe, in other words—before the end of the twenty-first century “A.D.”

    Now in wondering what scale of cycle...and in that, a "triple septenary" is not an astrological term...and it ends around the end of the 21st century, it just means 3 x 7 centuries. But it mentions Saturn, as Virgil did.

    The Italian region Lazio, in ancient terms Latium, derives from, at least according to some folk mythology "Latere", to lie hidden. One of the original Latin deities was Janus; and, by correspondence, since something such as Saturn could be the planet, its logos, or...a high priest or initiate of the same...when it comes to old Rome, a huge part of its mythology that would have been widely-known to all, Virgil included, and hence, how he would speak to his audience, is a story of the actual person, Saturn. Someone who "hid" in Rome when Zeus rose to prominence in Greece.

    Saturn's temple was built around 500 BC, at which point his cult was already fairly old. He was booted off of Mt. Olympus by Zeus, and was welcomed by Janus at the Janiculum, a hill on the Tiber. Here, he acted at least in part as an agricultural deity, which inaugurated what they called a Golden Age (aetas aurea). For a few centuries, at least, Rome prospered as a mostly peaceful trading center. Saturday is our seventh day; Saturnalia was a seven day feast starting Dec. 17th, when slaves could wear their masters' clothes and be served by them. The solstice was considered Dec. 25th (perhaps owing to calendar differences), and then January comes. The celebration was continued for centuries, to remember the Golden Age of Saturn's rule. Around the time of the Punic Wars (260 BC), Rome was obviously coming under the influence of Iron/Mars/war, as well as corruption and greed. After a fire, the Senate even rebuilt the temple around 360-380, in resistance to the influx of the church.

    Saturnalia certainly seems to have been folded in to Christmas.

    Both Ovid and Virgil referred to the Golden Age in the past tense, and we would have to estimate its lasting somewhere around 700-300 BC. It's mostly in our hands and responsibility now; if, en masse, the population gets on the right track, then around 2075 there would be another emissary of the Eastern Lodge to impart the "D, E, F" of occultism as a bonus to our self-inaugurated Golden Age. If present trends continue unmitigated, we would more likely to face World War III and an environment heavily poisoned by all our garbage, resulting in all kinds of diseases and famine. In my lifetime, I've certainly watched things mostly go exactly backwards, and that can only build to a certain level before dire consequences result.

    It would be a "minor cataclysm" compared to the obliteration of an entire continent, and rather temporary compared to a life expectancy in the millions, of the human race as a whole, nevertheless quite bad. I'm not sure I can really say Virgil was forecasting 21 centuries by saying "now begins", but it seems plain that the Age of which he spoke was the one that was common knowledge to any Roman citizen--and one which just about everybody would prefer, although it cannot be wished into existence.

    By "Occultism", HPB means first and foremost, the ethics. That reticent and quixotic character, the Mahachohan, never said much, but he very explicitly explained that "a nucleus of universal brotherhood" primarily refers to an insistence that white people drop the arrogance and supremacy against dark skinned people and offer them true friendship. This may seem trite and redundant--as a platitude--but at the end of the 19th century, it was far from a prevailing condition. The only brief "Golden Age" that I can think of in recent history, was that created by the Iroquois Confederation, and we know what happened to that.

    Saturn, a peaceful agricultural force, has yet to return to power. Its "shadow" or "lower self" has pre-empted it, by human design.

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    We already discussed this. There are clearly long and short interpretations of these time periods, and I dont think that is controversial.

    If we really have 427,000 years to go, why do new age types like Bailey talk about a new world order to go along with the coming new age?
    HPB said about herself: I am not an occultist, only a student. Exoterically, anyone who dabbled in astrology, or bought a crystal for its sympathetic purposes, would be called an occultist by Wikipedia. It's a good place for general, standard information, but is sometimes incomplete or lacking full explanation.

    The 427,000 years is the remaining period of the major Kali Yug, at which point Buddha Maitreya will emerge. This major cycle is for the planet as a whole; broken down by degrees into sub-races, nations, tribal groups and so on, yes, they would have their own sub-cycles.

    Alice Bailey was at best a liar, but most likely a "Brother of Shadow". A significant part of her deal was to promote support for the United Nations. She would say whatever she needed to. Coming from the Ledbeater-Besant camp, she split from the Adyar T. S. because they would not elect her the leader. She seems to have swiped the Theosophical Esoteric Section and sat around in New York with a panel of Jesuits, using the "Law of Correspondences" to extrapolate and manufacture the world's densest, most intricate web of details. Pretty sure there is a Rockefeller connection to her agencies. I don't recall Bailey using Indian systems hardly at all; originally, the pseudo-Theosophists were trying to subsume the Indians into the "Liberal Catholic Church".


    Quote This is mainstream propaganda. If you really believe this, you need to spend a lot more time looking into it.
    I made multiple posts tracing the origin and details of anti-Masonry. I am not a Mason, nor am I defending them all; it's very likely that P2 and maybe a few other Lodges are corrupt. Aside from that, I find the anti-Masonic rhetoric to be groundless on most of its points; two or three specific suggestions might be useful to support the "mainstream propaganda" slant. Does the government, the news, and the Secret Service lie 100% of the time, while other allegations always draw a perfect picture?


    Quote If you are referring to the quote about Taurus, Aqaurius, Scorpio, and Leo being the cardinal signs, I've already addressed this, too. I dont know why these Masons refer to them as the cardinal signs. They are the 'important' signs and are seen in the Bible, Tarot, alchemy, Masonry, etc. I see them as being the middle signs of the four seasons of cyclical history.
    I think he was associating them with the cardinal directions (N/S/E/W). I added that bit because it tells me something a little more than "Aries is a ram"; well really I don't remember the story of Aries right off hand. But when discovering it was understood from ancient India as "Aja", it brings immediate clarity.

    The four seasons are marked by the Cardinal/Fixed/Mutable affinities, i. e. each Cardinal sign begins a season (in regions that experience four seasons). I can understand some validity of the Tropical Zodiac as a "clock". Each Fixed sign would then occupy the middle of a season. "Fixed" is a stable/durable affinity, which makes sense for the middle of a season, as the middle will usually vary less from the character of the season, than either extreme will.

    I'm personally motivated towards the truth, so I don't quite understand shrugging off the true dates of astrological ages, or asserting anything that contradicts observed behavior. In terms of our Sun, the nearest star is at least 4 light years away, which is over 250,000 Astronomical Units (AU). Many binary star systems are on the order of Pluto's orbit (30-40 AU), and some have been found that span out to three or five thousand.

    Pike and Blavatsky both used basically the correct time for an Age, but started them at the wrong dates. I understand there could be Masons who quit using Pike's material, and decided to use the wrong dates conjoined with the wrong times.

    I'm potentially prepared to dump some paradigms such as a gravity-controlled universe or plate tectonics, but again it comes to proper analysis of evidence. You can do that with broad principles of how things work, contrasted to something like...I can't personally determine if every single "giant skeleton" ever found is a hoax or not, but I do accept the principle that there were giants, at least some of the ones found are real, and that the Smithsonian has "skeletons in the closet".

    Similarly, as far as I can tell, Ptolemy was a degree off in announcing the first point of Aries, and a reasonable range for the cusp to Pisces would be 220-285; certainly not 0, or any dates BC. Also, I think it would behoove us to study the Fixed Cross, that is probably where spiritual wisdom lies. Categorically, as principles, I think these are true things.

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    In the early days of the United States a war was waged for the hearts and minds of the American People and this included folklore and the propagation of a specific mythology by the Society of the Cincinnati. The Society employed people like Edgar Allan Poe, James Fenimore Cooper, and Samuel Morse to present the new American culture in the arts. The mineral wealth of California attracted Royal and monied interests from Europe who attempted to create their own history and folklore in California.
    Society of the Cincinnati was hereditary; this part was opposed by Benjamin Franklin and George Washington. But it still exists, all over the place. There is a thread on here somewhere about the change in artwork, over the course of the 19th century, showing the Battle of...Lexington, I think it was. The first painting, which was based closer to actual reports, showed very little action; but through subsequent iterations--of the same scene--it became ever more aggressive and vicious, with people running around everywhere, and lots more casualties.

    The "American patriotic myth" certainly appears to be an alteration of the truth, intentionally exercised. While I do somewhat adhere to the "original founders", the country they fought to create was very short-lived in its purity. 1812, already a British reprisal to renew the bank's charter. This type of banking was a huge part of what they were fighting against, and, subsequently, a huge part of foreign interests sinking their tendrils back into the U. S.

    Not a big stretch to say that California was mostly another step in foreign intrusion, and the development of an artificial belief. The U. S. is about the only country of "flag worshippers".

    This method of "enter an institution and replace it with a false entity" happened to the U. S., to the Theosophical Society, to the followers of Jesus; it seems to be the standard way to go. Other times, people concoct their own ethos from the get go, as per California and Utah. The Soc. of Cin. is probably well worth a little more exposure--is this narrative from a small internal faction, is it part of the overall mission, etc. I'd guess even this group, was not initially about making a distortion, but a few years down the road, someone seized the opportunity to use it for that reason. E. A. Poe was not contemporaneous with the Revolution (1809-1849); I personally don't know him with respect to patriotic stories; he was allergic to alcohol, and some say he was murdered by a form of peer pressure getting him to drink; can't remember the details.

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