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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    The images are too big to link if they're readable, but the notes might be worth looking up if you are curious. They were issued by FR New York, FR Chicago, etc., for several years before centralized issue sometime in the 20s.

    [1] Prior to 1933, Federal Reserve Notes were redeemable at the Treasury or any Federal Reserve branch for lawful money. They all say this. That's how they gained public confidence initially. [2] After about 20 years of not many people redeeming them and forgetting why it should not have been allowed, they blossomed into their fully worthless stature.
    [1] That was pursuant to the law, as codified in Title 12 USC Sec. 411. Any note is a promise to pay in the future.
    [2] No. They were repudiated in 1933, in House Joint Resolution 192, June 1933, and again, in the Gold Reserve Act of 1934. This was all due to the bankruptcy of the USGUBMINT. (State of emergency)
    In addition, FDR "liberated" all privately owned gold money, and criminalized the possession of lawful money by "free" Americans.

    http://goldcoin.org/numismatics/the-...3-to-1975/165/
    On March 6 of 1933, the President set in motion a chain of events that ended the international gold standard once and for all. First, he closed the nation’s banks and prohibited them from paying out or exporting gold coins and bullion, using emergency powers granted by the Trading with the Enemy Act that had been enacted during World War I.
    From 1933 forward, private possession and ownership of gold was illegal for U.S. citizens. Any refusal to return one’s gold was punishable by a fine of $10,000 and 10 years in prison. These exceptional measures were aimed at preventing the general public from storing gold. The solution was simple: make it illegal to directly own gold.
    If the preceding was too complex, let me put is simply:
    In 1933, Congress went broke, FDR stole all the people's lawful money (gold coin), and then added insult to injury, by offering them pauperization, via FICA, in 1935. With that "tax and bribe" program - 100% voluntary no less - Americans CONSENTED to the "Emergency Rules" that changed their rights into government privileges.

    This is the kind of stuff that when you read it in the law, you pee yourself or fall to your knees.
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    A Joint Resolution is no law (although it can stop an emergency); is there a law that still stands which embodies its meaning? It is not the 1933 Emergency which was snuffed in 1977. Presidents do generally renew an Emergency each year, as they expire yearly due to the 1977 Act.

    For example: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ons-who-commit

    It renewed the 9/11 Emergency, which dies if they don't keep pushing it. Also must be published in the Federal Register, which scores over 2,000 hits for "national emergency" in the past year. Must be a busy job giving all those orders to handle mostly manufactured crises.

    I understand about the FICA situation, and this is something that kids need to be aware of. For someone like me, should I choose to withdraw, that basically just gives them 30 years worth of FRN payments with nothing in return (not that a return is guaranteed).

    The gold went to the IMF at $20/oz, and then when they wanted to double their money, they valuated it at a higher rate. Did nothing for the average American, but gave them more to subjugate other countries.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    [1] A Joint Resolution is no law (although it can stop an emergency);
    [2] is there a law that still stands which embodies its meaning?
    [3] It is not the 1933 Emergency which was snuffed in 1977. Presidents do generally renew an Emergency each year, as they expire yearly due to the 1977 Act.

    For example: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ons-who-commit

    It renewed the 9/11 Emergency, which dies if they don't keep pushing it. Also must be published in the Federal Register, which scores over 2,000 hits for "national emergency" in the past year. Must be a busy job giving all those orders to handle mostly manufactured crises.

    I understand about the FICA situation, and this is something that kids need to be aware of. For someone like me, should I choose to withdraw, that basically just gives them 30 years worth of FRN payments with
    [4] nothing in return (not that a return is guaranteed).

    [5] The gold went to the IMF at $20/oz, and then when they wanted to double their money, they valuated it at a higher rate. Did nothing for the average American, but gave them more to subjugate other countries.
    [1] YES - AND - NO.
    RESOLUTION - A formal expression of the opinion or will of an official body or a public assembly, adopted by vote; as a legislative resolution.
    Joint Resolution - A resolution adopted by both houses of congress or a legislature. When such a resolution has been approved by the president or passed with his approval, it has the effect of law.
    Resolution ... is mere expression of opinion or mind of council concerning some matter of administration, within its official cognizance, ... it is not a law, and in substance there is no difference between resolution, order and motion.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p.1310
    “A concurrent or joint resolution of legislature is not a law.”
    - - - Koenig v. Flynn, 258 N.Y. 292, 179 N.E. 705,707

    “Absent an enacting clause an act is a nullity and of no force and effect as law.”
    Joiner v. State, 155 SE 2d 8 - 223 Ga. 367 (1967)

    A resolution is not law and is not restrained by the limitations of the constitution, in that it is an opinion with regard to the government. Internal to the government, it has the effect of law. But it is not constitutional law, with general applicability to the people.

    = = = =
    [2] YES. 12 USC SEC. 95a, b

    [3] Not correct. The 1933 Emergency (bankruptcy) is still in force and effect. The government has not complied with Art. 1 Sec. 8, Sec. 10 since 1933. "Dollar bills" are not dollars, but worthless debt underwritten by 320 million "contributors". And in the Coinage Act of 1965, further debased fractional coins, to eliminate all connections with lawful money. (Oh, and CONgress reduced the penalty for counterfeiting - JUST IN CASE the sheeple demanded their hides)

    [4] To some, restoring sovereignty, freedom, and independence is not NOTHING. And fur lined gold chains are still chains.

    [5] To whom the gold went is not the issue. The issue is that the servant robbed the master. Correction, servant of the servant, who was tricked into being a servant. And this is entirely legal, since the laws on the books are still in harmony with the republican form, and anyone with due diligence, can find that out for themselves.
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    12 USC SEC. 95b continues the emergency powers, pursuant to the authority of 12 95a.

    12 USC SEC. 95a no longer includes "national emergency" as a trigger, only "time of war".

    It is true that the emergency lasted for many years, but all emergencies were given an expiration date (this particular one, two years from the general 1976 limitation that it was exempted from). They could theoretically be renewed forever, as so far the 9/11 emergency has been. That is why I am having a hard time seeing how the 1933 emergency can exist, unless we find it popping up every year in the Federal Register.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    12 USC SEC. 95b continues the emergency powers, pursuant to the authority of 12 95a.

    12 USC SEC. 95a no longer includes "national emergency" as a trigger, only "time of war".

    It is true that the emergency lasted for many years, but all emergencies were given an expiration date (this particular one, two years from the general 1976 limitation that it was exempted from). They could theoretically be renewed forever, as so far the 9/11 emergency has been. That is why I am having a hard time seeing how the 1933 emergency can exist, unless we find it popping up every year in the Federal Register.
    If I may point out, the fact that the Sec'y of Treasury / U.S. Gov of "the Bank" and "the Fund," basically runs America's faux monetary system - and skims bodacious interest in the process - and is NOT paid by the U.S. government - one would think America is a "conquered nation." (No, let's ignore that, shall we?)
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1060472
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1058523

    Since 1945, have you noticed that CONgress has NOT bothered to "declare" a state of war, all the while authorizing American military unWars in Korea, Viet Nam, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, etc.

    Based on this link, there hasn't been a time America wasn't in a "time of war."
    http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa06.html
    And we're certainly not "defending freedom" nor "fighting communism" since America has been "voluntary" communist and a bankrupt state since 1933. (Via abolition of private property)

    Yes, we ARE in a perpetual "temporary" State of Emergency, and the government has ignored the U.S. Constitution, since 1933.
    __ NO lawful money
    __ NO declared wars since 1945
    __ NO way to ever pay off the public debt
    __ And CONgress borrows MORE than it pays in debt service - something that Bernie Madoff went to prison for doing in the private sector.

    $438.9 billion deficit (2015)
    $267 billion net interest (2015)

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1059108
    1.38 Trillion dollar bills in circulation
    0.267 Trillion dollar bills (net interest) 2015 Budget
    0.267 / 1.38 = 0.1934
    Roughly 19% of the total money token supply is siphoned off by usurers.

    I think it is safe to say that America is on the downward slide into oblivion. . . by consent of the governed.
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    Thanks for posting all of this ozmirage.

    At one point in our history, at least in some of the states/colonies, lawyers were illegal. It's not hard to see why. Twist a few words around in some new legislation and all of a sudden we go from "inalienable," "God-given rights" to "privileges allowed by the government." The laws should be simple and in a language that everyone can understand. The US Constitution is not only the oldest constitution still in use but also the shortest.

    Most people today think that the US was set up as a democracy and don't even know the difference between a republic and a democracy. Hint: the modern Republican and Democratic parties have nothing to do with it, they are both so far off the mark.

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    Quote Posted by bsbray (here)
    Thanks for posting all of this ozmirage.

    At one point in our history, at least in some of the states/colonies, lawyers were illegal. It's not hard to see why. Twist a few words around in some new legislation and all of a sudden we go from "inalienable," "God-given rights" to "privileges allowed by the government."

    Most people today think that the US was set up as a democracy and don't even know the difference between a republic and a democracy. Hint: the modern Republican and Democratic parties have nothing to do with it, they are both so far off the mark.
    A republic is not synonymous with a republican form.
    Covered here:
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    I don't need the legalese, let's just stick with inalienable natural rights.

    I was editing my post above to add a couple of things when you responded.

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    I don't need the legalese, let's just stick with inalienable natural rights.

    I was editing my post above to add a couple of things when you responded.
    O.K.
    Remember, under the republican form, American people are sovereigns without subjects. But under the constitutionally limited indirect democracy, American citizens are subjects, having surrendered endowed (inalienable) rights.

    . . .
    “It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
    - - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
    [... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

    Make no mistake!
    • The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to life.
    • But citizens have no inalienable (endowed) right to life.
    • The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to natural and personal liberty.
    • But citizens have only civil and political liberty.
    • The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to absolutely own private property (upon which you can pursue happiness without permission of a superior).
    • But citizens have no private property, absolutely owned... a portion can be claimed by the government.

    If you've consented to be a citizen, you have NO ENDOWED RIGHTS.
    Zip. Nada. Bumpkiss. Empty Set. Nought.
    Any presumption to the contrary is an error not supported by law nor court ruling.

    The government can order you to train, fight, and die, on command.
    The government can take a portion of your property -or wages - or whatever - as it sees fit.
    All authorized by your consent to be a CITIZEN (state or U.S.).
    (The USCON complies with this, too. People have rights and powers. Citizens have privileges and immunities. And they’re mutually exclusive.)

    This is why it is important to make the distinction between a republic and a republican form.
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    SIMPLIFICATION
    In America, if you have endowed rights, you’re under the republican form of government. If instead of endowed rights, you have mandatory civic duties, you’re under the constitutionally limited indirect democracy that serves the people in the republican form of government. If you have socialist obligations, you’ve volunteered into the socialist democratic form, via FICA.
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    krysstal.com missed the swipe we took at the Dominican Republic, and asserts that Jews are semites (maybe 10% are), but...that is a pretty hefty toll for some undeclared wars.

    The conclusion I'm coming to, is even though the 1933 Emergency itself, is over, the fact that all the actions (prior and future) taken by Presidents/Secretaries of the Treasury, were approved and confirmed by law while it was active...does not un-approve or de-confirm them just because the authorizing condition is inactive; it basically prevents them from adding new measures, without a new state of war. Not much need to declare war when the powers you want, are running fine, and you can carpet bomb civilian populations as a covert action.

    It will all just sit in place unless 12 95b is changed. If it was "merely" Emergency Powers, it would fade without renewal, but since it is cast into a law which has no language about "and these actions shall be rescinded when the time of emergency passes", it continues to bind.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    The conclusion I'm coming to, is even though the 1933 Emergency itself, is over, the fact that all the actions (prior and future) taken by Presidents/Secretaries of the Treasury, were approved and confirmed by law while it was active...does not un-approve or de-confirm them just because the authorizing condition is inactive...
    It will all just sit in place unless 12 95b is changed. If it was "merely" Emergency Powers, it would fade without renewal, but since it is cast into a law which has no language about "and these actions shall be rescinded when the time of emergency passes", it continues to bind.
    The EMERGENCY is not over.
    The government went bust, in 1933, and ceased redeeming its notes, pursuant to 12 USC Sec. 411.
    The bankruptcy is still in force and effect.
    "Dollar bills" are only legal tender because of 320 million human resources / contributors on the debt. (dratted consent!)
    Without the Emergency, they could not ignore the USCON Art. 1, Sec. 8, Sec. 10.

    The day that enough Americans withdraw consent from FICA, is the day that ends their bankrupt regime. . . as their notes cease to be fungible, and objected to by the free people.

    It won't end well, either.
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    Where does it say in the Federal Register that this Emergency has been renewed annually? I'm having trouble finding it.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Where does it say in the Federal Register that this Emergency has been renewed annually? I'm having trouble finding it.
    Where does it say in the law that any emergency must be renewed annually?

    The very fact that the government ceased dealing in lawful money is proof of the existence of the emergency.

    If they wish to void Art. 1, Sec. 8 and Sec. 10, it should be done by amendment - not subterfuge.

    . . . .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_o...#United_States
    As of October 2014, thirty states of emergency remain in effect, one reaching as far back as the Roosevelt Administration.

    United States, Senate Report 93-549 states: "That since March 09, 1933 the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency." Proclamation No. 2039 declared by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on March 9, 1933. This declared national emergency has never been revoked and has been codified into the US Code (12 U.S.C. 95a and b)
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    Speaking of 12 U.S.C. 95(a) and (b): I was told a few days ago that on April 27, 2016 it was changed to
    50 U.S.C. 4305(b)(2). Haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but am posting this just in case.

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    Quote Posted by genevieve (here)
    Speaking of 12 U.S.C. 95(a) and (b): I was told a few days ago that on April 27, 2016 it was changed to
    50 U.S.C. 4305(b)(2). Haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but am posting this just in case.

    Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
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    Looks like they dropped the reference to the Secretary of Treasury ...
    LOL
    Too many people were scrutinizing 12 USC Sec. 95 a, b.
    . . .
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/4305
    (1) During the time of war, the President may, through any agency that he may designate, and under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe, by means of instructions, licenses, or otherwise—
    (A) investigate, regulate, or prohibit, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit or payments between, by, through, or to any banking institution,
    -and-
    the importing, exporting, hoarding, melting, or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion, currency or securities,

    Translation: you subjects cannot "hoard" gold, currency, nor securities (worthless IOUs).


    HOARD - A supply or store of something held or hidden for future use.

    (3) As used in this subdivision the term “United States” means the United States and any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof
    Well, ain't that sweet.

    The U.S. is a foreign corporation.
    FEDERAL CORPORATIONS - The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
    - - - Volume 19, Corpus Juris Secundum XVIII.
    Foreign Corporations, Sections 883,884
    . . .
    "The United States and the State of California are two separate sovereignties, each dominant in its own sphere."
    - - - Redding v. Los Angeles (1947), 81 C.A.2d 888, 185 P.2d 430.
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    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
    Where does it say in the law that any emergency must be renewed annually?
    That would be the National Emergencies Act; codified at 50 USC 1601-1651.

    In that the "Trading with the Enemy" powers were exempted from the initial sweep of the NEA, they wee addressed by Public Law 95-223, which I believe is also codified in that same area.
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    Not sure if this is off-topic now but seems to be what the poll question asked.

    Under the Bill of Rights within the US Constitution preamble it is accepted that people have inalienable rights that no government can take away.

    Much of the early amendments to the Constitution are curtailing government's ability to violate those rights. Such as free speech.

    We do not have the right to free speech as granted in the Constitution, conversely the government does not have the right to take away our free speech, which is a right of all.
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    Quote Posted by mgray (here)
    Not sure if this is off-topic now but seems to be what the poll question asked.

    Under the Bill of Rights within the US Constitution preamble it is accepted that people have inalienable rights that no government can take away.
    [Not correct - you are confusing it with the Declaration of Independence]

    Much of the early amendments to the Constitution are curtailing government's ability to violate those rights. Such as free speech.
    [But only for its citizens]

    We do not have the right to free speech as granted in the Constitution, conversely the government does not have the right to take away our free speech, which is a right of all.
    Endowed rights existed BEFORE the USCON.
    They are not "constitutional" rights (aka "privileges").
    American governments were instituted to secure those endowed rights.
    “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion. . .”
    - - - United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4.

    “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the PEOPLE.”
    “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the PEOPLE.”
    - - - Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution

    CONSTITUTION, Sec. 4. The guarantee of a republican form of government to every "state" means to its people and not to its government: Texas v. White. 7 Wall. (U. S.) 700, 19 L. Ed. 227.
    - - - Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 8th ed. (1914), P.635
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    ❏ RFOG: Sovereign, with all endowed rights (ex: natural rights, natural liberty).
    ❏ DFOG: Subject, with only government privileges (ex: civil rights, political liberties)

    RESTATEMENT

    REPUBLICAN FORM - that form of government wherein the people directly exercise sovereignty, and are served -not ruled- by government (and its subject citizens). The sovereign people retain possession of all their endowed and inalienable rights, powers, and liberties, and no democratic majority can vote them away. The servant government exercises power to secure rights, and only by special delegation via consent, may it govern. Though not perfect, it is the best form, securing the maximum liberty and freedom to its sovereign people.

    Under the republican form of government, the American is endowed with (natural) rights, (natural and personal) liberties, absolute ownership (private property), and government was instituted to secure those endowed rights... unless he consents to be governed under the constitutionally limited indirect democratic form of government. Then all bets are off, for if he consents, then he waives endowed rights in exchange for government’s privileges and immunities, and voluntarily accepts mandatory civic duties that would otherwise violate endowed rights, liberties, and powers.
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    The apparent impotence of Americans in face of foreign invasion, government infiltration by predatory perverts and socialist slavery under a benevolent totalitarian police state is due to their indoctrination.

    Not knowing of their birthright of the republican form - a heritage that is worth defending, they are cowed into submission, squabbling over entitlements and benefits tossed from the public treasury under the socialist democratic form they have embraced and voted for.

    But if Americans were restored to freedom and sovereignty under the republican form of government, where their endowed rights to life, liberty and absolute ownership were secured by servant government, things would be far far different.

    In that America, what’s yours is yours. What’s mine is mine. Don’t trespass upon the person, liberty or property of another - lest you suffer grave punishment. Such a simple system does not require governance, a bloated government, nor an impossible to repay public debt. It only requires you to withdraw consent from socialism, usury, and submission to the servant government.

    ● > Beyond securing rights (adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals, and defending against enemies, foreign or domestic), government can do no more.
    ● > No more public charity (entitlements, socialism, etc) to penalize the productive and reward the nonproductive.
    ● > No more limited liability, nor administrative regulatory overhead to burden our workers and industries.
    ● > No more usury, which voids the public debt for fraud, and wipes out the federal reserve note (dollar bill) as a medium of exchange.
    ● > No taxes can be levied on endowed rights - only privileges. And if most Americans cease exercising government privileges, most of the revenue is gone.

    A government reduced by 99%, billionaires becoming zero-aires, elimination of all socialist benefits, effectively eradicates 83+ years of the glorious socialist paradise. And best of all, if the sovereign people issue their own private liberty money, usurers will be utterly ruined.

    Of course, that is politically incorrect, and devastating to the powers that be.
    Sigh.
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