Souls born as humans: where do they all come from?

[Adem]

Hi All

I have been watching alot of videos from Simon Parkes about souls and recycling souls

Simons says
Human souls are recycled to be born again as humans which then I assume these souls are separate to other living things eg. Animals what ever

and obviously the worlds population of humans are increasing everyday
So my question is
Where are all these new souls coming from if only human souls can be recycled

Cheers

I would have liked an answer from Simon but cant seem to get an Email address

[Bill Ryan]

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Good questions!

• There are a lot of new arrivals these days from other planets (and astral realms, etc, for lack of a better word). Any sufficiently able spiritual being can incarnate as a human, not just a being who's been a human before.

• There are quite a lot of beings who've been on and around Planet Earth for quite a while (not necessarily 'new arrivals' per se) — but haven't necessarily had bodies for a while. In previous times, there was a shortage of available bodies, and a lot more competition, but there are a lot more now!

I should share a fun anecdote about that. I had a friend a few years back who was a very able adept. When his wife became pregnant, he conducted interviews, and narrowed it down to a short list of 6 beings, all of whom wanted to be his new child. He then stepped back from making a decision himself, and asked them to agree among themselves who would get the position, as it were.

When the baby was born, I was introduced to Mia (name changed)... a very tiny girl, just a few days old. I was knocked out. This was a HUGE being. I could tell immediately. I've never seen such a big being in such a tiny body. It was quite an experience. My friend said:

"This is Mia. She's from Antares. She's here to help."

[Shannon]

That is a great story, Bill! How original!...what a cool way of thinking and using such a gift

[Callista]

I really believe that animals can reincarnate into human souls. We all know of animals that bond very closely with humans and seem to be very old and wise souls. They watch the human companion closely and seem to be taking in all the information they need to understand what it is to be human. I am sure a couple of my cats passed over and have come back as humans - they were so human as cats so it wouldn't be a big stretch for them!

With regard to the recycling process of souls - it is my understanding that not all human souls get recycled, so they escape into whatever paradigm they want to go to next. Also many souls are now coming from other parts of the universe to have experiences on this planet that they cannot achieve anywhere else. Many of those off-planet souls have come here to assist humanity at this very exciting time.

much love

Callista

[Craig]

As I am still getting over finishing Conversations with God, I am now thinking that if we are all one but separated to experience the what I am by being what I am not dichotomy. So there are becoming more of us to experience the separation?

I think it makes better sense in my brain than through my fingers....

[kirolak]

Agreed, both Bill & Callista - but I don't really differentiate between animal/human. . . .I see it as simply Spirit-Soul, speciesless & genderless, (unless the body identification is very strong & overrides the Original Form) which then incarnates into whatever body is karmically suitable for the next lesson. There are many animals who are truly wise, & many humans who are extremely degraded. I have learned a lot from animals, & hopefully they have learned from our interactions, too.

According to a "download" I received some years ago, not all beings reincarnate, some work out their karma on the inner planes. (And time can be played like a musical chord, inverted, augmented, etc. . . by those who know how to play the "instrument")

[Becky]

It is also my understanding that Source is continually creating new souls for new experiences, although I think it would be very tough for a soul to come straight to Earth....Earth is a very challenging place to be experiencing a first life in a human body.

[Carmody]

some of this subject is also covered in 'journey of souls', by Micheal newton, one for the pdf file section, if it is not already there.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....ai/journey.pdf

destiny of souls, is also available.

http://www.unicusmagazine.com/PDF/De...en%20Lives.pdf

the subject matter in the two books:

In the introduction to Journey of Souls I explained my background as a traditional hypnotherapist and how skeptical I had been about the use of hypnosis for metaphysical regression. In 1947, at age fifteen, I placed my first subject in hypnosis, so I was definitely old school and not a New Ager.

Thus, when I unintentionally opened the gateway to the spirit world with a client, I was stunned. It seem ed to me that most past life regressionists thought our life between lives was just a hazy limbo that only served as a bridge from one past life to the next. It was soon evident I had to find out for myself the steps necessary to reach and unlock a subject's memory of their existence in this mysterious place.

After more years of quiet research, I was finally able to construct a working model of spirit world structure and realized how therapeutic this process could be for a client. I also found that it did not matter if a person was an atheist, deeply religious, or believed in any philosophical persuasion in between once they were in the proper super conscious state of hypnosis, all were consistent in their reports. It was for this reason that I became what I have come to call a spiritual regressionist. This is a hypnotherapist specializing in life after death.

[phillipbbg]

From all the animal species we are making extinct, self fulfilling cycle ..... when complete the system resets and we all have another try....lol

[Carmody]

Posted by Becky (here)
It is also my understanding that Source is continually creating new souls for new experiences, although I think it would be very tough for a soul to come straight to Earth....Earth is a very challenging place to be experiencing a first life in a human body.

Yes, that would not work very well. This is a tough place. We appear to be passing through a peak load and range of potential.

I have personally had two full past life recalls, at the age of approx 13. What I mean, is that I had the recall of each entire life, from youth to death. I was 13, and had to sort out an extra ~120 years of life experience. One life was not on this planet, but in a very interesting place. A place were some will find themselves, when they leave here, this time around. Long story. Best left largely as is (relative level of non interference), I posit, so each current experience can only be what it was meant to be, with the next experience being what it is meant to be.

One might say that the increased load on the planet at this time, and some of the issues involved in such, has created a potential for an intermediary balancing stage, post present earth, for some.

It involves this, from the intro to the second book:

Those souls who have been associated with evil are taken to special centers which some clients call "intensive care units." Here, I am told, their energy is remodeled to make it whole again. Depending upon the nature of their transgressions, these souls could be rather quickly returned to Earth. They might well choose to serve as the victims of other's evil acts in the next life.

Still, if their actions were prolonged and especially cruel over a number of lives, this would denote a pattern of wrongful behavior. Such souls could spend a long while in a solitary spiritual existence, possibly over a thousand Earth years. A guiding principle in the spirit world is that wrongdoing, intentional or unintentional, on the part of all souls will need to be redressed in some form in a future life. This is not considered punishment or even penance as much as an opportunity for karmic growth.

My personal experiences fit the books fairly well, and happened long before I read such books as the above linked. (by 30+ years)

[thunder24]

Posted by Carmody (here)
One might say that the increased load on the planet at this time, and some of the issues involved in such, has created a potential for an intermediary balancing stage, post present earth, for some.

It involves this, from the intro to the second book:

Those souls who have been associated with evil are taken to special centers which some clients call "intensive care units." Here, I am told, their energy is remodeled to make it whole again. Depending upon the nature of their transgressions, these souls could be rather quickly returned to Earth. They might well choose to serve as the victims of other's evil acts in the next life.

Still, if their actions were prolonged and especially cruel over a number of lives, this would denote a pattern of wrongful behavior. Such souls could spend a long while in a solitary spiritual existence, possibly over a thousand Earth years. A guiding principle in the spirit world is that wrongdoing, intentional or unintentional, on the part of all souls will need to be redressed in some form in a future life. This is not considered punishment or even penance as much as an opportunity for karmic growth.

Though said in a more religious tone, this is what i gathered after reading Emanuel Swedonborg's Heaven and Hell (original text not new century edition)...

[Andre]

This is a topic I have pondered long on. Drawing from Edgar Cayce, Dolores Cannon and others, I offer the following comments in relation to the 7 billion "souls" on Earth.

1. I would tend to use the term "human soul" very loosely and interpret it to simply refer to a soul that has had many lifetimes as a human. I doubt very much that a soul is limited to only being human unless it chooses to and simply has a preference for repeated experiences as a human being rather than some other being, e.g. mantid, reptilian, etc.

2. I think most of us would agree that the huge increase in the population of Earth is partly due to beings coming from all corners of the universe to help the Earth at this difficult time, but I do not for a minute believe this accounts for the population explosion on this planet. Rather ....

3. I am very open to the idea expressed by others that there are many human beings on the planet at present who do not actually have a soul. Rather, they have just enough consciousness to incarnate in a human body but without a soul. These "humans" are sometimes referred to as "organic portals". I know this idea is controversial and difficult for a lot of religious folks, but if you are open to this idea, it could be a plausible explanation for the population explosion. This possibility has been expressed in a number of esoteric teachings whereby one's Essence (consciousness) can fragment, split-off and incarnate separately' one part having the parental consciousness (soul) and another part not. There are many reasons for these splits but basically it gets down to a lack of acceptance (rejection) of one part by the parental part. Millions of so-called "humans" may, in fact, be lost fragments that can only rejoin their parental self through healing and acceptance on both sides (the fragmented self and the parental self).

[Mandala]

I believe earth school is difficult and being in a human form we generate karma. I think we had delved into the negative, eyes shut, entitled me, system for so long that a call did go out for purer, more positive souls to come here and give us a hand. As Dolores Cannon said, "Earth's in trouble and needs help". Many souls came to improve the vibration here on planet earth.

I'm sure many of those volunteers often ask, what in the world did I sign up for.
Pretty sure that was me. Anyone else feel that way?

Mandala

[phillipbbg]

this is another one to ponder http://makingadifferencetoday369.blo...think.html?m=1

[Rhah]

Apparently Richard Linklater was thinking about the same thing when he wrote the script for Before Sunrise (1995):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jgiB6K_2Ly4

[M-Albion-3D]

Since the dawn of man on planet Earth, there have been over 108 billion human births, and each time new souls are born and reincarnated. Over 108 billion and that....is just on planet Earth.

Now try and imagine how many planets are in this "known" universe and therefore, just how many more souls are out there? Not only that, but there are many planets which have civilizations in excess of 100's of thousands of relative years in existence?

Where are we from and where are we going? The answer....we are already here.

[Agape]

Posted by Adem (here)
Hi All

I have been watching alot of videos from Simon Parkes about souls and recycling souls

Simons says
Human souls are recycled to be born again as humans which then I assume these souls are separate to other living things eg. Animals what ever

and obviously the worlds population of humans are increasing everyday
So my question is
Where are all these new souls coming from if only human souls can be recycled

Cheers

I would have liked an answer from Simon but cant seem to get an Email address

Most 'souls' - human personalities - are transient . Obvious glitch in understanding had to happen once ( or twice ..) in human history when ancient and that time considered sacred knowledge on the topic of '7 bodies' , 'souls' , 'twice-born' , 'reincarnation' etc. etc. was translated from the sacred to the profane lore .

The same 'glitch' occurs within many other philosophical and religious theories for variety of reasons and once they happen to fall to 'public hands'.

The theory ( and practice ) behind this subject is very old of course and is well recorded in Vedas and the knowledge was passed down through lineages of sages who preceded this historical epoch of mankind .
Sanskrit itself ( in which language the Vedas are written ) called 'sans=pure' 'krita=creation, tongue' had to be reimagined , reconstructed together with its devanagari alphabet from memory and knowledge of elders preserved till then in sanctuaries .

The original knowledge then intended to discern between 'twice-born' ( called also brahmins or brahmanas as considered 'born of Brahma' the Creator or his head ) and in todays terms you would say ,
they were people with two fully developed bodies - the spiritual - more important , crystallised on 7 levels and capable of functioning on each ( and more ) of those levels simultaneously and , what ordinary people perceive as human birth , human body .
The gross human body in itself is of course part and one of the 7 'body layers' , the grossest peal , called the 'sthula sarira' or 'annamaya kosha' , the gross body or body of food.

The higher bodies are called 'pranamaya kosha' - body of energy

'manomaya kosha' - the mind body

that constitute so called 'sukshma sarira' - the subtle body

'Mental body' is what you vaguely describe as 'astral body' and in itself , it can crystallise to lower mind sheet ( manas ), the ego body ( ahamkara - very important to integrity ) and intelligence ( buddhi ) body that can operate as 'higher astral body'.

Beyond these , there is yet more subtle 'vijnanamaya kosha' , the 'discernment body'

and 'anandamaya kosha' - the Bliss body .

The last two constitute so called 'body of causality' or 'karana sharira' .

Your current fate , higher ethical reasoning , abstract thinking and big concepts are processed on the 'causality body' level , respectively . Those two 'causality bodies' are free by nature and are also those that help you to achieve state of personal liberation or 'meet with God' , whatever it means to you.

Now ... while the above is true for everyone to some deal , in course of the civilisation , due to the lengthy and tiring procreation phase and initial degradation humans experienced as a result of fall to earthly gravity ,
the 'holistic state' ( of fully 'crystallised' 7 bodies ) could be preserved in few individuals .
The rest of people experienced some of them , to some extent , the 'holistic model' became sacred and subject of practice,
it means .. if you live pure life , study, meditate and follow certain mental and energy exercises following guidance of your guru there's a chance to re-establish yourself on all those levels and achieve 'full function' of you as an entity.

For most others .. this isn't true , no matter what you believe . Contrary to what todays 'new age reincarnation theory' teaches, people do not automatically reincarnate .
In order to reincarnate consciously you'd have to have most of the 'causality body' developed consciously to make the decision for you .

All of us however, can trace our origin ( and so also higher mental processing ) 'back there' , in two ways ..

either , through the lineage of our ancestors that inevitably leads to the 'same place' and is in way responsible for all the 'off shots' , manifesting as all children and grandchildren of that particular lineage ..

or .. through reconnecting with 'higher beings' , those who are 'godlike' beings, your teachers who in turn can help you to practice and activate the same principles and bodies in you. ( This is also where Christs appearance and teachings became crucial in this particular civilisation epoch, the same goes for living 'Avatars' of the East who could walk among people and perform miracles , it's important for re-introducing the 'divine connection' through body pattern )

The process only seems 'mental' from gross human point of view, it's physical on all the other levels as well , similar as if you were to regrow a limb . The lowest level of human procreation results in 'just that' ,
people being born in spiritually undeveloped , embryonic state , they live their destined life span and unless something else extraordinary happens they just die at the end .
They don't 'go' anywhere at all .
Even among many enlightened souls, many choose 'just that' .

In the vastness and interconnectedness of Life , nothing is lost , everything carries a meaning , message to it , all expressions of humans are part of the human spirit and legacy .

If you want to talk of 'reincarnation' and even conscious reincarnation , you'd have to go back to knowledge and practice preserved within some remaining Hindu and Buddhist vajrayana ( yogic ) lineages who preserve the 'vidya', the knowledge .

Commonly , we may or may not believe that your family members will reincarnate for example but it's a belief .

People being born constantly does not really mean there are many new souls coming constantly in either.

There is no SINGLE theory that can cover this subject really well .


Talking more I'd complicate the subject even further but this is about , the 'gist' everyone should be aware of ( or could if they want to ).
For most human beings likewise , such an awareness is not automatic but a matter of choice .

Simply by 'believing something' it does not happen . Millions of people believe things , worldwide that do not pay off well because the things they believe may have had once a rational core pertaining to some who had to work hard to abide by that knowledge ..
and so forth.


Hope it helps

[Agape]

In future of course ... when all human beings will recover all of their subtle bodies , functioning in its full potential which would then look like society of 'avatars' ( not the 'avatar' as an icon or the one from movie but meaning here : advanced entities )

they will maintain society potentially stable, long lived , 'enlightened society' , they will also produce 'advanced offspring' , consciously , in numbers that will make sense to them .
They won't 'just reproduce' without conscious intent or ability to grow their children in best for them environments , as individual , fully 'crystallised' entities.

Till that happens every bit of practice towards this is of utmost importance ..

[Did You See Them]

The procession of time gives that appearance - but if everything exists only in the now ...

[kirolak]

I think I would rather have my race extinct than tortured each day, every day, by the purveyors of flesh, corpse, carrion. . . as FOOD!