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    I've not heard Ben Davidson (Suspicious Observers) sound so annoyed for a long time.

    My strong advice: don't rely on ANY other YouTube source for anything connected with Space Weather. There's a bunch of craziness out there spawned by people who just don't understand the physics.

    Not understanding is very forgivable, but many hysteria-prone bloggers and YouTubers are way too eager to post and re-post things that they don't understand.

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    Default Re: The Earth's Magnetic Field Did Not Collapse This Week

    Yes allot of shills out there, mainly Gov. Ops leave no stone un-turned in clogging the system with half or total lies, 6% media ratings people turning to the internet for facts, its now under full on attack as well, Forums like ours is not untouched as we all have witnessed, Its a war for our country and our minds, all that we stand for is under attack on all levels of life or thinking in these times. Thanks for staying on top of this Bill. and thumbs up for all of our Mods.
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    There are soooo many failed predictions from so-called, scientific, paranormal, spiritual, etc, proponents that I often wondered if anyone has ever attempted to gather and organize them coherently on any particular forum or website?

    It's interesting how we humans think. I am reminded right now of the TV show "The Curse of Oak Island" http://www.history.com/shows/the-cur...k-island/about

    Anyone who has watched this show has observed the numerous "researched" theories presented by people on what is buried there and who did it. It's amazing to see how rational or convincing some of these theories are, based on the data provided.

    Yet there is ONLY one correct answer and that can only be proven from the FACT of discovering the reality buried there, if any.

    Unfortunately we too often have to wait until something is discovered, or happens, before knowing the real truth. But there are scientific models that can predict with a fair degree of certainty future events. However, I believe in order for this to happen there needs to already have been reliable and observable past data.

    Anyone wanna take a shot on how objective predictions can be made with any accuracy?

    I will say, at least in the spiritual and paranormal genres, that I get VERY irritated by people who have "contact" with some being, alien or whatever, and are told this or that and then irresponsibly share it socially!

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    I myself have been thinking that perhaps the other solar system will tow us into another orbit to avoid a black hole in the future that is hidden by the sun? Just my opinion or meanderings of wonder

    It goes past Orion and Sirius, doesn't it?
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    I myself have been thinking that perhaps the other solar system will tow us into another orbit to avoid a black hole in the future that is hidden by the sun? Just my opinion or meanderings of wonder

    It goes past Orion and Sirius, doesn't it?
    Not really sure if that's connected with the Earth's magnetic field not collapsing! (And, if I may say this gently, your science there may be rather open to question. )


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    Default Re: The Earth's Magnetic Field Did Not Collapse This Week

    Won't collapse next week either.

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    Ted I have to say I LOVE your pithy comment!! Made me laugh

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    Default Re: The Earth's Magnetic Field Did Not Collapse This Week

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    Won't collapse next week either.
    Nor ever. As Ben Davidson points out, we'd know because we'd all be dead.

    But it is weakening, and that's known. It's a potentially serious problem. This video is relevant... Ben's presentation that solar storms (and, in particular, earth-directed CMEs) have always been a risk, but now that the magnetosphere is weaker, smaller storms than before can now do great damage.


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    Maybe we should move all failed predictions and prophecies that get posted here on Avalon to a "Failed Predictions" Folder or category. That way the important categories get to keep the substantial Threads. And people spare themselfs reading for three pages just to find out that it was all about thin air. And if they wanna read about failed predictions they can head for that category/folder.

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    I myself have been thinking that perhaps the other solar system will tow us into another orbit to avoid a black hole in the future that is hidden by the sun? Just my opinion or meanderings of wonder

    It goes past Orion and Sirius, doesn't it?

    For perspective:

    The slightest disturbance in the earth's motion, travel, or spin... in any way, would cause a reorganization of the surface, at a minimum.

    when I say the slightest disturbance, I don't mean 10%, or 5% or 1% or even 0.1% I mean slightest. as in 0.01%. that would be enough to wreak havoc at the level of 'the end of civilization.'

    let's say you have a 25 gallon (100L) fish tank at one end of a room, and you have wooden floors, strong stable wooden floors. And you stand at the other end of the room, at the entrance to the room, where it is most stable. And you stomp your foot, fairly lightly. And you see the slightest ripple form on the surface of the water of the fish tank. A level of ripple so small, that you can barely perceive it from your position, 20 feet away. Less than 0.01% (and even less) of your foot-stomp energies have made it to that fish tank.

    If that fish tank was the earth, those would be massive tsunamis, probably combined with earthquakes, that would end human civilization, at a minimum. A planet passing near by earth, or near the solar system, would cause MUCH more disturbance than that. Life on the planet would be ended, for the most part. It takes a fairly small asteroid strike to do the same.


    The earth is stable. Those kinds of disturbances I'm talking about are very rare, incredibly rare and easy to see coming, before they do happen. there is no indication of any potential issues out there. No planets moving nearby, no disturbances in outer planet orbits, and so on.

    It's not like shoving someone out of your way. That sort of force would be enough to end the idea of a planet, for the most part. In such a scenario, the earth is more like a loosely associated/clumped mud balloon. Nothing could come near it without all life as we know it...ending.

    That has not happened in billions of years.

    And it's not happening tomorrow either. There's no nearby planet disturbing the planet's motion, to the point of moving us, at all. As all of it would end in fire and lava. with plenty of warning ahead of time. Probably decades of warning.

    I'm trying to illustrate that human mechanics of pushing and shoving and being human and moving around... have zero...no, actually... less than zero connection to celestial mechanics.
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    Quote Posted by uzn (here)
    Maybe we should move all failed predictions and prophecies that get posted here on Avalon to a "Failed Predictions" Folder or category. That way the important categories get to keep the substantial Threads. And people spare themselfs reading for three pages just to find out that it was all about thin air. And if they wanna read about failed predictions they can head for that category/folder.
    Some time ago RMORGAN (retired member) started a thread about failed predictions.

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    It's situations like what we see going on with the magnetic field that cause one to see the advantages of living underground, as Phil Schnieder stated the elite were prepared to do. Sometimes I wonder, are those that control the earth already living underground? Are these underground cities laying dormant in preparation for a mass of inhabitants or are they right now running at full strength with a peak population already in place?
    It seems that there are more than just humans on this planet that live underground the same way.
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    I've not heard Ben Davidson (Suspicious Observers) sound so annoyed for a long time.

    My strong advice: don't rely on ANY other YouTube source for anything connected with Space Weather. There's a bunch of craziness out there spawned by people who just don't understand the physics.

    Not understanding is very forgivable, but many hysteria-prone bloggers and YouTubers are way too eager to post and re-post things that they don't understand.
    Agreed. But on the other hand, anyone with some understanding of physics who bothers to point out the errors and inaccuracies of stupid videos and websites, are themselves sometimes accused of being paid government shills by credophiles - who seem to inhabit all forums on all subjects and are impervious to clear logic.

    There's little point in explaining an alternative view to these folks because all you get is: "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!"

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    When I was much younger, and rubbish at physics, I knew that gamma rays were real, so assumed 'yobba rays' also existed. Physics master got very cross...
    Mars was all the rage then as well!

    The only person who explained earthly and solar 'happenings' clearly to me this week is Clif High from Halfpasthuman.com, expando planet, sloshing earthly innards, and stuff in the solar system causing a few problems, but no Nibiru....
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    Clif High from Halfpasthuman.com
    Last time I e-mailed with Clif personally, he'd just (very kindly) invited me to Seattle to stay with him. That was in mid-2012, when he was building an unsinkable boat to survive the imminent pole shift.

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    Clif High recommends the videos from DjSadhu. Here is one of them:



    I think its awesome.

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    As long as we have a fusion star that earth orbits around , the field will never collapse ... bursts of energy from the sun along with several other factors is what expands and contracts the magnetic field , sort of like a heart beat ... scientist forget earth is a living being , with just as much spiritual energy as you and I , and she was here first, 626 billion years older than us ...the ETs Say she Spent 20 Billion Years in the gasoeuus state BEFORE becoming Solid matter ...
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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    As long as we have a fusion star that earth orbits around , the field will never collapse ... bursts of energy from the sun along with several other factors is what expands and contracts the magnetic field , sort of like a heart beat ... scientist forget earth is a living being , with just as much spiritual energy as you and I , and she was here first, 626 billion years older than us ...the ETs Say she Spent 20 Billion Years in the gasoeuus state BEFORE becoming Solid matter ...
    I think the maintenance of the Earth's magnetic field has more to do with our spinning molten iron core than any influence from the sun. After all, it's likely Mars had a magnetic field (as evidenced by the planet's composition) that cooled and decayed, and look how that turned out...

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    I've not heard Ben Davidson (Suspicious Observers) sound so annoyed for a long time.

    My strong advice: don't rely on ANY other YouTube source for anything connected with Space Weather. There's a bunch of craziness out there spawned by people who just don't understand the physics.

    Not understanding is very forgivable, but many hysteria-prone bloggers and YouTubers are way too eager to post and re-post things that they don't understand.
    Agreed. But on the other hand, anyone with some understanding of physics who bothers to point out the errors and inaccuracies of stupid videos and websites, are themselves sometimes accused of being paid government shills by credophiles - who seem to inhabit all forums on all subjects and are impervious to clear logic.

    There's little point in explaining an alternative view to these folks because all you get is: "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!"
    however, Nick, the problem is believing that answers lie hidden under the box in the front yard, as it is a scenario you know and understand. Your front yard, your box and your grass under the box. and to believe it ends there.

    The modern scientific mind can be just as much of a credophile (bad choice of word, IMO)as anyone else, and, actually, have so much more lore and data..... that they are incredibly unlikely to escape their comfort zone. Wrong or not, the credophile has at least embraced some form of mental and/or psychological position change, which is more than I can say for the scientifically indoctrinated dogmatic types.

    Right or wrong -----at least they are trying.

    As a matter of fact, scientific exploration REQUIRES the minimum of trying on the new ideas and marching around the room, wearing that new mask, to see if it can be made to function.

    The reality is that both groups commit the ultimate sin of believing in data as fact, to believe in the idea of a fact and permanence in knowing and knowledge, as tied to the way that emotions are formally and structurally, the primary filters, designers, and launchers..within the mind ------in all thought creation.

    That's the fault point that scientific and scholarly folks vs this idea of credophiles, that's the part where they falsely go to war with one another.... and self destruct on the shores of each others battles. The bulk of what is established science today, does indeed deeply resemble the church and religious tomes of yesteryear. When you step back and look, they both are built on unalterable dogma, where detractors are punished powerfully.

    Reasonable people step back and see this overview I'm speaking of ....and understand it is the mind as limit, not logic.

    I grow exceedingly tired in spending all my time - trying to teach people how to think. I do it, as that is the kernel of the issue.

    A critical part of that, regarding 'how to think'... is when you arrive at an answer.. one may use it....but NEVER trust it. Ultimately, all facts fail, and the motion forward is living inside of that understanding ...and thus ...always moving forward.

    A fact is a handhold on a journey, one where old handholds have to be let go of in order to move forward. The fundamental point being that large chunks of known science will be found to be erroneous or exceedingly far from being complete. There is no avoiding this, when moving forward. Anything else is just a giant emotionally fueled self lie.

    If you want to move forward, then move all sciences into a position of such fluidity and change.

    These credophiles, as you may call them, many of them...have at least tried this. Right or wrong, at least they are actually trying.

    Which is far more than I can say for the bulk of academia and science, the type of personality within such groups... that get to headbutting in a incorrect fashion (one that aggravates the situation and maintains the battle as central in life - they've had their brain self licked and stuck to their own ass) with those who attempt to explore and change..
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    Default Re: The Earth's Magnetic Field Did Not Collapse This Week

    A thoughtful reply Carmody. However, I and all the 'scientific' people I know require repeatable examples to prove or disprove a hypothesis. All 'credophiles' require is belief, unhindered by evidence to the contrary. The burgeoning belief in the Flat Earth I cite as evidence.

    Although there certainly is scientific dogma (denial of continental drift for decades being a good example - despite 'mountains' of evidence!), but eventually it caves in, often by young scientists wanting to a) prove their seniors wrong, and b) make a name for themselves. However, if all new scientific ideas were dismissed by dogma or vested interests, we would never - for example - have developed the thermionic valve, let alone the transistor and other semiconductors, or electric light, or the internal combustion engine, or CDs, or...

    Contentious issues like the dangers or otherwise of non-ionising radiation or the harmful effects of some pharmaceutical drugs may be denied initially, but eventually the evidence (or lack of it) will lead to the truth. That's how we move on.

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