Transition into Trump

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by onawah (here)
Lots of social programs getting cut now like Meals on Wheels, Americorps, Planned Parenthood ( of course ), slashing protection for the environment, consumer protection, all the kinds of attacks on the people and the planet that we can expect from any corporate political puppet.
I think perhaps TPTB realized that the Clintons, the pedophiles and Luciferians had gotten too out of hand and were going to get busted very messily anyway, knew that Big Pharma's vaccine industry was fated for an expose/overhaul, so they made it possible for Trump to get elected, but now are just proceeding with business as usual as quickly as they can.

Onawah, I can tell that you have never actually studied up on conservative principles much. You really should do that. Republicans, going all the way back to Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, believe in a very limited government with all the restrictions provided for in the Constitution itself.

All those programs you mention are socialism and there is no place for them in the Republic of the United States of America as our supreme law is laid out in the Constitution of the United States of America. You have to actually understand these documents and the philosophy of our founders to understand that no, cutting these programs is not what the globalist elites want. What they want is socialism, which is exactly what those programs you mentioned are. Think Communist China as the end goal for what they want to do to America. Those programs are a good start.

The federal government is not, and was never meant to be, your mother, father, babysitter, doctor, etc. etc. etc. Like I said, you really need to study the underlying political philosophy behind the traditional Republicanism of our founders. Trump is taking us back to a much simpler government that doesn't assume an authoritarian responsibility for taking care of you. Your state and local government/communities take care of you, or you take care of yourself, but you don't give that power to the feds because they will (and do) abuse it. Knowledge is power. Read up on the founding fathers' philosophy.

[onawah]

As if it were really all that simple!

[turiya]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)

Posted by Helene West (here)
OMG. inside job... This sh*t show is beyond belief...female agent, probably man hating clinton supporter just leaves laptop with classified info lying (in wait) in the car..That thing would be glued to my body....
a guy just happens to pop out of an uber car and knows exactly where to go and what to do, how to get away... I need a drink...

It might not be as bad as you think, Helene.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/laptop-t...CNM-00-10aac3a

>Secret Service laptop "stolen"
>information on Trump and Clinton
>"important files on Pope Francis"
>"considered a compromise of national security"
>all government devices able to wiped remotely
>so just wipe it
>Trump leak
>45D chessmaster
>God Emperor
>anons we are about to witness the biggest happening of all time

There was a more or less anonymous threat that the NYPD would release what they had if the FBI did not act within a week. That laptop was "stolen" after the week was up.

They now have plausible deniability for any of Hillary's dirt that gets leaked to the public or anyone else. See how that works?

The Trump/Russia stuff is obvious leftist propaganda. If they actually had something they would have acted on it while Obama was still in office. They know they had nothing and that's why they're even backtracking on the whole wiretapping story that they had already admitted.

Good point, A Voice from the Mountains. I like the way you think...



I have taken this previously as a 'warning shot across the bow' type of message to Trump, especially with the floor plans that were claimed by MSM to be contained within... In other words, "When in crisis mode & your family needs to exit Trump Tower, we (the Deep State) know where those emergency exits are!"

Have to reconnoiter over this...

Anonymous (ID: PGtZntK3) 03/17/17(Fri)22:41:07 No.117153454▶>>117165557

There wasn't even a stolen laptop.

The point was to get it out into the media and put the pope and Clinton in the same story.

The part about the floorplans is something Trump would think of. It's only to get the media to talk about trump and something related to him that makes it look bad for him.
It's all just excuses to leek files.

It's also a way to communicate to Clinton, pope and others that **** is about to go down.

_______________LATE ADD_______________

What Trey Gowdy Did His First Day
Back In Congress Will Amaze You
(Published on Mar 17, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QKdn7SQ7V0A

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by onawah (here)
As if it were really all that simple!

The only reason to complicate things is to confuse and mislead people.

The philosophy of the founders was simple but nobody studies it anymore and it gets distorted. It's based on a very limited federal government.

If you think the government should take over all of your responsibilities and do everything for you and your family, I think that's an absolutely horrendous idea, but the Constitution says you have to take that up with the state government where you live. Because the US federal government was never given any authority under the Constitution to force everyone to buy healthcare, or to regulate public schools all across the nation or take care of all of the old and sick people or any of these other terrifying overreaches. Those things are what authoritarian Communist governments take upon themselves to do, and their track record explains why it's such a bad damn idea, in case you actually need the reasons explained in detail. There are many history books on it. That stuff (taking care of people) starts with you and your local community, not an authoritarian central power.


"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." -- Ronald Reagan

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA

They didn't shoot that man for nothing.

[turiya]

The Empire Should be
Placed on Suicide Watch

By The Saker

In all the political drama taking place in the USA as a result of the attempted color revolution against Trump, the bigger picture sometimes gets forgotten. And yet, this bigger picture is quite amazing, because if we look at it we will see irrefutable signs that the Empire in engaged in some bizarre slow motion of seppuku and the only mystery left is who, or what, will serve as the Empire’s kaishakunin (assuming there will be one).

I would even argue that the Empire is pursuing a full-spectrum policy of self-destruction on several distinct levels, with each level contributing the overall sum total suicide. And when I refer to self-destructive behavior I don’t mean long-term issues such as the non-sustainability of the capitalist economic model or the social consequences of a society which not only is unable to differentiate right from wrong, but which now decrees that deviant behavior is healthy and normal. These are what I call “long term walls” into which we will, inevitably, crash, but which are comparatively further away than some “immediate walls”. Let me list a few of these:

Political suicide: the Neocons’ refusal to accept the election of Donald Trump has resulted in a massive campaign to de-legitimize him. What the Neocons clearly fail to see, or don’t care about, is that by de-legitimizing Trump they are also de-legitimizing the entire political process which brought Trump to power and upon which the United States are built as a society. As a direct result from this campaign, not only are millions of Americans becoming disgusted with the political system they were indoctrinated to believe in, but internationally the notion of “American democracy” is becoming a sad joke.

And just to make things worse, the US corporate media is finally showing its true face and now unapologetically shows the entire world that not only is it not in any way “fair” or “objective”, but that it is a 100% prostituted propaganda machine which faithfully serves the interests of the US “deep state”.

A key element of the quasi constant brainwashing of the average American has always been the regular holding of elections. Nevermind that, at least until now, the outcome of these elections made very little difference inside the USA and non at all outside, the goal was never to consult the people – the goal has always been to give the illusion of democracy and people power. Now that the Democrats say that the Russians rigged the elections and the Republicans say that it was the Democrats and their millions of dead voters who tried stealing it, it become rather obvious that these elections were always a joke, a pseudo-democratic “liturgy”, a brainwashing ritual – you name it – but never about anything real.

The emergence of the concept of 1% can be “credited” to the Obama Administration, since it was during Obama that the entire “Occupy Wall Street” movement took off, but the ultimate unmasking of the viciously evil true face of that 1% must be credited to Hillary with her truly historical confession in which she openly declared that those who oppose her are a “basket of deplorables”. We already knew, thanks to Victoria Nuland, what the AngloZionist leaders thought of the people of Europe, now we know what they think of the people of the USA: exactly the same thing.

The bottom line is this: I don’t think that the moral authority and political credibility of the USA have ever been lower than today. Decades of propaganda by Hollywood and the official US propaganda machine have now collapsed and nobody buys that counter-factual nonsense anymore.

Foreign policy suicide: let’s see what options there are to choose from. The Neocons want a war with Russia which the Trump people don’t. The Trump people, however, want, well maybe not a war, although that option is very much on the table, but at least a very serious confrontation with China, North Korea or Iran, and about half of them would also like some kind of confrontation with Russia. There is absolutely nobody, at least at the top, who would dare to suggest that a confrontation or, even worse, a war with China, Iran, North Korea or Russia would be a disaster, a calamity for the USA. In fact, serious people with impressive credentials and a lot of gravitas are discussing these possibilities as if they were real, as it the USA could in some sense prevail. This is laughable. Well, no, it it not. But it would be if it wasn’t so frightening and depressing. The truth is very, very different.

[Sidebar: While it is probably not impossible for the United States to prevail, in purely military terms, against the DPRK in a war, the potential risks are nothing short of immense. And I don’t mean the risk posed by the North Korean nukes which, apparently, is also quite real. I mean the risk of starting a war against a country which has Seoul within conventional artillery range, an active duty army of well over one million people and 180’000 special forces operators. Let us assume for a second that the DPRK has no air force and no navy and an army composed of only 1M+ soldiers, 21k+ artillery pieces and 180k special forces. How do you propose to deal with that threat? If you have an easy, obvious solution, you have watched too many Hollywood movies. You probably also don’t understand the terrain.]

But yes, the DPRK also has major wseaknesses and I cannot exclude that the North Korean armed forces would rapidly collapse under a sustained attack by the US and the ROK. I did not say that I believe that this would happen, only that I don’t exclude it. Should that happen, the US might well prevail relatively rapidly, at least in purely military terms. However, please keep in mind that any military operation has to serve a political goal and, in that sense, I cannot imagine any scenario under which the USA would walk away from a war against the DPRK with anything remotely resembling a real “victory”. There is a paraphrase of something Ho Chi Minh allegedly told to the French in the 1940s which I really like. It goes like this:

That is how a war with the DPRK would probably play out. I call this the “American curse”: Americans are very good at killing people, but they are not good at winning wars. Still, in the case of the DPRK there is at least a possibility of a military victory, even if at a potentially huge cost. With Iran, Russia or China there is no such possibility at all: a war with any of them would be a guaranteed disaster (I wrote about a war in Iran here and about a war with Russia too many times to count). So why is it that even though out of the 4 possible wars, one is a potential disaster and the 3 others are a guaranteed disaster, why is it that these are discussed as if they were potential options?!

The reason for that can be found in the unique mix of crass ignorance and political cowardice of the entire US political class. First, a lot (most?) of US politicians believe in their own silly propaganda about the US armed forces being “the best” in “the world” (no evidence needed!). But even those who are smart enough to realize that this is a load of baloney which nobody outside the USA still takes seriously, they know that saying that publicly is political suicide. So they pretend, go along, and keep on repetitively spewing the patriotic mantra about “rah, rah, USA, USA, ‘Merica number one, we are the best” etc. Some figure that since the USA spends more on aggression that the rest of the planet combined, that must mean that the US armed forces must be “better” (whatever that means). To the birthplace of “bigger is better” the answer is self-evident. It is also completely wrong.

Eventually, something crazy inevitably happens. Like in Syria were the State Department had one policy, the Pentagon another and the CIA yet another one. The resulting cognitive dissonance is removed by engaging in classical doublethink: “yes, we screwed up over and over, but we are still the best”. Ironically, that kind of mindset is at the core of the American inability to learn from past mistakes. If the choice is between an honest evaluation of past operations and political expediency, the latter always prevails (at least amongst civilians, US servicemen are often far more capable of self-critical evaluation, especially in ranks up to Colonel and below, the problem here is that civilians and generals rarely listen to them).

The result is total chaos: the US foreign policy is wholly dependent on the US ability to threaten the use of military force, but the harsh reality is that every country out there which dared to defy Uncle Sam did that only after coming to the conclusion that the US did not have the means to crush it militarily. In other words, only the weak, which are already de-facto US colonies, fear the USA. Or, put differently, the only countries who dare to defy Uncle Sam are the strong ones (that was all quite predictable, but US politicians don’t know about Hegel or dialectics). And just to make it worse, there is no real US foreign policy. What there is is only the sum vector of the different foreign policies desired by various more or less covert “deep state” actors, agencies and individuals. That resulting “sum vector” is inevitably short-term, focuses on a quickfix approach, and unable to take into account any complexity.

As for the US “diplomacy” it simply doesn’t exist. You don’t need diplomats to deliver demands, bribes, ultimatums and threats. You don’t need educated people. Nor do you need people with any understanding of the “other”. All you need is one arrogant self-enamored bully and one interpreter (since US diplomats don’t speak the local languages either. And why would they?). We saw the most compelling evidence of the total rigor mortis of the US diplomatic corps when 51 US “diplomats” demanded that Obama bomb Syria. The rest of the world could just observe in amazement, sadness, bewilderment and total disgust.

The bottom line is this: there is no “US diplomacy”. The USA have simply let that entire field atrophy to the point were it ceased to exist. When so many baffled observers try to understand what the US policy in the Ukraine or Syria is, they are making a mistaken assumption – that there is a US foreign policy to being with. I would argue that the US diplomacy slowly and quietly passed away, sometime after James Baker (the last real US diplomat, and a brilliant one at that).

Military suicide: the US military was never a very impressive one, certainly not when compared to the British, Russian or German ones. But it did have a couple of very strong points including the ability to produce a lot of technical innovations which made it possible to produce new, sometimes quite revolutionary, weapons. And if the US track record on ground operations was rather modest, the US did prove to be a most capable adversary in naval and aerial warfare. I don’t think that it can be denied that for most of the years following WWII the USA had the most powerful and sophisticated navy and airforce in the world. Then, gradually, things started getting worse and worse as the costs of the very expensive ships and aircraft shot through the roof while the quality of the produced systems appeared to be gradually degrading. Weapons systems which looked nothing short of awesome in the lab and test grounds proved to be almost useless once they to to their end user on the battlefield. What happened? How did a country which produced the UH-1 Huey or the F-16 suddenly start producing Apaches and F-35s?! The explanation is painfully simple: corruption.

Not only did the US military industrial complex bloat beyond any reasonable size, it also cloaked itself in so many layers of secrecy that massive corruption became inevitable. And when I speak of “massive corruption” I am not talking about millions but billions or even trillions. How? Simple – the Pentagon claimed did not have the accounting tools needed to properly account for the missing money and that the money was therefore not really “missing”. Another trick – no bid contracts. Or contracts which cover all the private contractor’s costs, no matter how high or ridiculous. Desert Storm was a bonanza for the MIC, as was 9/11 and the GWOT. Billions of dollars got printed out of thin air, distributed (mostly under the cover of national security), hidden (secrecy) and stolen (by everybody in this entire food chain). The feeding frenzy was so extreme that one of my teachers as SAIS admitted, off the record of course, that he had never seen a weapons system he did not like or which he did not want to purchase. This man, whom I shall not name, was a former director of the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency. Yes, you read that right. He was in charge of DIS-armament. You can imagine what the folks in charge of armament (no “dis) were thinking…

Admiral William Fox Fallon

With the stratospheric rise of corruption, the kind of US general which had to be promoted went from fighting men who remembered Vietnam (where they often lost family members, relatives and friends) to ass-kissing little chickensh¡ts” like David Petraeus. In less than half a century US generals went from combat men, to managers, to politicians. And it is against this lackluster background that a rather unimpressive personality like General James Mattis can appear, at least to some, like a good candidate for Secretary of Defense.

Bottom line: the US armed forces are fantastically expensive and yet not particularly well-trained, well-equipped or well-commanded. And while they still are much more capable than the many European militaries (which are a joke), they are most definitely not the kind of armed forces needed to impose and maintain a world hegemony. The good news for the USA is that the US armed forces are more than adequate to defend the USA against any hypothetical attack. But as the backbone of the Empire – they are close to useless.

I could list many more types of suicides including an economic suicide, a social suicide, an educational suicide, a cultural suicide and, of course, a moral suicide. But others have already done that elsewhere, and much better than I could ever do myself. So all I will add here is one form of suicide which I believe the AngloZionist Empire has in common with the EU: a

“Suicide by reality denial”: this is the mother and father of all the other forms of suicide – the stubborn refusal to look at reality and accept the fact that “the party is over”. When I see the grim determination of US politicians (very much including the people supporting Trump) to continue to pretend as if the US hegemony was here to stay forever, when I see how they see themselves as the leaders of the world and how they sincerely believe that they need to get involved in every conflict on the planet, I can only come to the conclusion that the inevitable collapse will be painful. To be fair, Trump himself clearly has moments of lucidity about this, for example when he recently declared to Congress

"Free nations are the best vehicle for expressing the will of the people — and America respects the right of all nations to chart their own path. My job is not to represent the world. My job is to represent the United States of America. But we know that America is better off, when there is less conflict — not more."

These are remarkable words for which Trump truly deserves a standing ovation as they are the closest thing to a formal admission that the United States have given up on the dream of being the World Hegemon and that from now on the US President will no longer represent the interest of trans-national plutocracies but he will represent the interests of the American people. This sort of language is nothing short of revolutionary, whether Trump truly delivers on that or not. Unlike everybody else, Trump does not appear to suffer from “suicide by reality denial” syndrome, but when I look at the people around him (nevermind the prostitutes in Congress) I wonder if he will ever get to act on his personal instincts.

Trump is clearly the best man in the Trump administration, he seems to have his heart in the right place and, unlike Hillary, he is clearly aware of the fact that the US armed forces are in a terrible shape. But a good heart and common sense are not enough to deal with the Neocons and the US deep state. You also need an iron will and a total determination to crush the opposition. Alas, so far Trump has failed to show either quality. Instead, Trump is trying to show how “tough” a guy he is by declaring that he will wipe out Daesh and by giving the Pentagon 30 days to come up with a plan to do this. Alas (for Trump), there is no way to crush Daesh without working with those who already have boots on the ground: the Iranians, the Russians and the Syrians. It is really that simple. And every American general knows that. Yet everybody is merrily plowing ahead is if there was some kind of possibility for the USA to crush Daesh without establishing a partnership with Russia, Iran and Syria first (Erdogan tried that. It did him no good. Now he is working with Russia and Iran). Will the good folks at the Pentagon find the courage to tell Trump that “no, Mr President, we cannot do that alone, we need the Russians, the Iranians and the Syrians”? I very much doubt it. So, yet again, we are probably going to see a case of reality denial, maybe not a suicidal one, but a significant one nonetheless. Not good.

Who will be the Empire’s kaishakunin?

Alexander Solzhenitsyn used to say that all states can be placed on a continuum which ranges from states whose authority is based on their power to states whose power is based on their authority. I think that we can agree that the authority of the USA is pretty close to zero. As for their power, it is still very substantial, but not sufficient to maintain the Empire. It is, however, more than adequate to protect the interests of the United States as a country provided the United States accept that they simply don’t have the means to remain a world hegemon.

If the Neocons succeed in their attempt to overthrow or, failing that, at paralyzing Trump, then the Empire will have the choice between an endless horror or a horrible end. Since the Neocons don’t really need a war with the DPRK, which they don’t like, but which does not elicit the kind of blind hatred Iran does, my guess is that Iran will be their number one target. Should the AngloZionists succeed in triggering a war between Iran and the Empire, then Iran will end up being the Empire’s kaishakunin. If the crazies fail in their manic attempts at triggering a major war, then the Empire will probably collapse under the pressure of the internal contradictions of the US society. Finally, if Trump and the American patriots who do not want to sacrifice their country for the sake of the Empire succeed in “draining the DC swamp” and finally crack-down hard on the Neocons then a gradual transition from Empire to major power is still possible. But the clock is running out fast.



The Saker -

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[T Smith]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
As if it were really all that simple!

The only reason to complicate things is to confuse and mislead people.

The philosophy of the founders was simple but nobody studies it anymore and it gets distorted. It's based on a very limited federal government.

If you think the government should take over all of your responsibilities and do everything for you and your family, I think that's an absolutely horrendous idea, but the Constitution says you have to take that up with the state government where you live. Because the US federal government was never given any authority under the Constitution to force everyone to buy healthcare, or to regulate public schools all across the nation or take care of all of the old and sick people or any of these other terrifying overreaches. Those things are what authoritarian Communist governments take upon themselves to do, and their track record explains why it's such a bad damn idea, in case you actually need the reasons explained in detail. There are many history books on it. That stuff (taking care of people) starts with you and your local community, not an authoritarian central power.

Couple that with a fiat currency system to finance it all, controlled by a private central bank bent on world hegemony and a reserve currency backed only by blood and oil, and you have a recipe for bondage, enslavement, run-away inflation, and endless wars to prop it all up.

Yeah, most people don't fully appreciate it... but the Founders (direct product of Western Civilization Enlightenment) had a very good grasp of how to constitute a Free Republic. Unfortunately, most of us daft "citizens" don't understand the what/how/and why of those principals at all.

[Helene West]

VFM or Turiya

I'm not getting where - there was no laptop stolen - is coming from?
I followed the link to 4 chan message board which I find confusing, but isn't that just someone's opinion, not a source?
Is it accepted knowledge which I just didn't know that the government can wipe info from any government laptop remotely?
thx

[turiya]

Posted by Helene West (here)
VFM or Turiya

I'm not getting where - there was no laptop stolen - is coming from?
I followed the link to 4 chan message board which I find confusing, but isn't that just someone's opinion, not a source?
Is it accepted knowledge which I just didn't know that the government can wipe info from any government laptop remotely?
thx

For me, after reading the comments on the 4chan page, it reminded me to always be a bit skeptical of what is being immediately offered to you, especially if its by the MSM - in this case its a CBS News story.

The OP of the 4chan page lays out certain points regarding this story:

>Secret Service laptop "stolen"
>information on Trump and Clinton
>"important files on Pope Francis"
>"considered a compromise of national security"
>all government devices able to wiped remotely
>so just wipe it
>Trump leak
>45D chessmaster
>God Emperor
>anons we are about to witness the biggest happening of all time
>globalists BTFO

A good question to ask in this case would be WHY(?) is the press telling you & the rest of the public certain things?

Few of the posted messages, in particular, are noticeably blaring to me:

1) - Important Laptop went missing and somehow we are told that there is really important stuff on it. How do they know or why do they want to tell us? Fishy story

2) >>117156014
- Yeah, I think that's the key. Why would they say "Hey, this is what is on that stolen laptop!"
- Unless you intended to send a message as to WHAT the contents were, you would NEVER announce what the contents were, because your hope would be that you would get it back BEFORE the person who stole it realized what they had.
- Unless you either (1) knew the person who stole it already knew what they had; or (2) wanted people to know "lol, this is out there in the wild now; checkmate!"

3) >>117139703 (OP)
- Nah, it was probably just some idiot secret service agent, a womyn btw, meaning she was most likely Obongo's affirmitive action hire.
- Laptop can't be wiped remotely unless it's connected to the internet obviously.
- Laptop's hard drive is almost certainly encrypted and login password protected. Meaning the person who took it, can't do sh¡t with it, other than use it as a coffee coaster.

4) Anonymous (ID: e9Lnh5m0) 03/18/17(Sat)00:57:24 No.117166511▶>>117167116 >>117167279 >>117168060

- The laptop is a cover story.
- Insiders are going to expose the Trump tower surveillance story through their media contacts. They're going to show that Trump was indeed under surveillance by GCHQ during the campaign, possibly that the White House ordered it.
- This laptop story is plant to confuse the issue.
- When the actual insider leaks come out, about the surveillance of Trump tower, investigation of Clinton emails, etc, the media will deliberately label these as being leaks from the "stolen laptop". They will place the blame for all such information on the Secret Service. As rumors fly in media circles about the surveillance, the deep state will say it's just information from the stolen laptop. They will deny the surveillance leaks, or Clinton leaks, as fake news construed from the laptop theft.
- This is all being done principally to save GCHQ and British intelligence face. Same with Spicer's apology saga.
- The Brits threw a fit and forced Spicer to back off because they already paid their due when their spy chief Hannigan was forced to resign. They don't want any more embarrassment, and the Whitehouse (Spicer) can't come back for another pound of flesh. (Not everyone in the White House has seen the same script on this one) Hence the apologies, the denials by everyone, now this latest leak.
- The Brits went in for more than they bargained for on this one. Bad luck old chap. Mucky business politics.

5) Anonymous (ID: c4rgf3ch) 03/18/17(Sat)01:04:50 No.117167116▶>>117167311
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>>117166511
- you seem to know

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I would expect a 'new' Wikileaks dump upcoming in near future...

[turiya]

X22 Report News Flash...

The Entire Trump-Russia Conspiracy
Campaign Is Collapsing
(Published on Mar 18, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=M1JB9lECqZY

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Conspiracy Not A Conspiracy Anymore, Former CNN Host
Admits Feeding Debate Questions To Clinton
(Published on Mar 18, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KWUtfEiNimo

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Harley Schlanger: This Is Nothing More Than A Central Bank,
Rothschild Operation To Increase Their Power
(Published on Mar 16, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PL8HDWmdluY

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Details of First Meeting of Russia, US, Turkey
Military Chiefs on Syria Revealed


The generals represent different coalitions fighting against ISIL
[Turkish army press office/EPA]
Politics
21:10 07.03.2017
(updated 23:48 07.03.2017)

Top military commanders from Russia, Turkey and the United States discussed on Tuesday the security situation and anti-terrorism efforts in Syria and Iraq, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russian Chief of the General Staff Gen. Valery Gerasimov, Turkish Chief of the General Staff Gen. Hulusi Akar and US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford held a meeting in Antalya, Turkey.

"The sides discussed, in particular, the current situation in the fight against terrorist organizations in Syria in the context of increasing the effectiveness of countering all terrorist organizations in the future," the ministry said in a statement.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Helene West (here)
VFM or Turiya

I'm not getting where - there was no laptop stolen - is coming from?
I followed the link to 4 chan message board which I find confusing, but isn't that just someone's opinion, not a source?
Is it accepted knowledge which I just didn't know that the government can wipe info from any government laptop remotely?
thx

There are multiple sources on the laptop story and they conflict with each other. Some say there was a break-in into a car, others say the laptop was just taken off of a motorcycle. Some stories name names and others don't. Some mention that HRC email investigation files were on the laptop and others don't. Washington Post and Huffington Post didn't touch the story at all, which is interesting in itself.

A lot of people are going to be watching this story and seeing what comes of it.

Here are some relevant Voat threads with good comments (especially the first one):

Secret Service Laptop - a clasic dead drop (Pizzagate related due to Hillary investigation)
Secret Service laptop stolen, contains data on Trump Tower and HRC emails
Sources: Stolen laptop contained important files on Pope Francis.

[turiya]

Here's a recently published video published several hours ago... John B Wells interview w/ John McAfee... they get into the stolen laptop a ways into it... but not much there, only that they we are evermore slipping deeper into chaos... there's a bit of static on McAfee's end of the phone connection... make due... program begins @ 2:45...

Mass Surveillance & Vault7 with John McAfee
Ark Midnight #41
(Streamed live 21 hours ago)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QR6mmD6QiXc

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JOHN McAFEE: Here's my number — don't call me
John McAfee, Contributor
Apr. 18, 2016, 8:26 AM

Business Insider Article

[turiya]

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F%#K THE MEDIA
(Published on Mar 17, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rBX5GK8-NBU

US President Donald Trump ignores repeated media prompts to shake hands with German Chancellor Angela Merkel during their meeting in the Oval Office.

Trump greeted Merkel with a handshake outside the building, but during their Oval Office photocall, apparently ignored the calls of the pool of reporters to shake the German leader’s hand.

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A Fool And Her Credibility
Are Soon Parted

[turiya]

Roger Stone @ 8:00.... Jerome Corsi @ 37:10... Mike Zullo @ 53:40... David Horowitz @ 1:38:50.... David Knight w/ John McAfee @ 2:39:10

Alex Jones (FULL SHOW ) NSA's
Surveillance of Trump Proven
(Published on Mar 20, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HdOCGjuz_Fg

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NSA Documents Prove Surveillance
of Donald Trump & His Family

Bombshell discovery shows targets of NSA's "Project Dragnet"
Jerome Corsi | Infowars.com - March 20, 2017

UPDATE: Bombshell – Obama Illegally Spied on Sheriff Arpaio’s Prosecution

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Infowars.com have obtained credible information from law enforcement sources regarding individual records of U.S. citizens under National Security Agency (NSA) electronic surveillance in the years 2004 through 2010 – a database that suggests both Donald J. Trump and Alex Jones were under illegal, unauthorized government monitoring during those years.

Michael Zullo, formerly the commander and chief investigator of the Cold Case Posse (CCP), a special investigative group created in 2006 in the office of Joseph M. Arpaio, formerly the sheriff in Maricopa County, an Arizona State Certified Law Enforcement Agency, headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona, provided sections of the database to Infowars.com.
The electronic surveillance database, provided to Zullo by a whistleblower in 2013, was apparently created by the NSA as part of the NSA’s illegal and unconstitutional Project Dragnet electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens, first revealed by news reports published in 2005, as further documented by the revelations of whistleblower Edward Snowden in 2013.
Sheriff Arpaio and Chief Investigator Zullo have identified dozens of entries at various addresses, including both Trump Tower in New York City and Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, under which Donald Trump was apparently under NSA electronic surveillance from 2004, during President George W. Bush’s term of office, through 2009, the first year of President Obama’s presidency.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GTT5FVyGMUU

Electronic surveillance of Donald Trump was listed in the database for the following companies, locations, and dates:

[more at the link...] Infowars

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Bombshell: Obama’s NSA Illegally Spied
on Sheriff Arpaio’s Prosecution

Clear parallels to Obama's wiretapping of Trump
Jerome Corsi | Infowars.com - March 20, 2017

UPDATE: NSA Documents: Surveillance on Trump, Family – Project Dragnet
Editor’s Note: The below story draws clear, significant parallels to the electronic surveillance of Donald Trump during the Obama administration.

WASHINGTON, D.C. – While the Department of Justice was prosecuting Sheriff Arpaio from 2008 to 2010, the NSA conducted electronic surveillance of the various Arizona judges on the case, on Sheriff Arpaio, and on the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, while the DOJ attorneys for Eric Holder maintained an on-going telephone back-channel discussion with the federal judge assigned to handle the case.

Source

[Helene West]

this stuff is good but will it go anywhere besides infowars...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Drudge Report has had the headline since yesterday, and Drudge gets millions of visitors a day.

It was Drudge who broke the Monica Lewinsky scandal in the 1990's, though he had the story up for 3 full days before the MSM was finally forced to break it.

In this case the corporate media has become so degraded they may just continue ignoring it indefinitely. We'll see I guess. Either way it won't go away, because Drudge and InfoWars are both hugely influential now, and get more viewers than MSM anyway altogether.

[turiya]

Bill Holter: Trump is a wild card & the Deep State doesn't know what to do about it... they will try to take him out of office... a race to devalue the dollar...

Bill Holter: We Already Passed
The Point Of No Return:
(Published on Mar 21, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zAwZtji_nGI

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Comey Was Pushed Into Admitting Something,
It Shows The Deep State Is In Control
Episode 1233b
(Published on Mar 20, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2i2QoZRiqrc

[turiya]

Trey Gowdy Questioning of
FBI Director James Comey
(Published on Mar 20, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QIh-CadZweI

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John McAfee: There Is No Proof That
Russians Hacked The Elections
(Published on Mar 21, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HmXR_7yk-6Q

[turiya]

HANNITY Fox News March 20, 2017
(Published on Mar 20, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UsvRjxi6tdY

[Helene West]

I'm sorry folks but I'm still confused. The 'evidence' that the white house handed over to congress just last friday to support trump's wiretap claims, has that been reviewed and discussed/debunked yet or not? Yesterday's proceedings just seemed too premature to have reviewed whatever could have been handed over friday.

[turiya]

Posted by Helene West (here)
I'm sorry folks but I'm still confused. The 'evidence' that the white house handed over to congress just last friday to support trump's wiretap claims, has that been reviewed and discussed/debunked yet or not? Yesterday's proceedings just seemed too premature to have reviewed whatever could have been handed over friday.

I don't think so. I don't think that Trump has given them anything, yet.
Take a look at the Hannity video (above)... Sarah Carter comes on @ 9:00...
I hear judge Napolitano has been yanked from Fox News for saying British intel was involved with the surveillance...

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Special Report with Bret Baier 3/21/17 |
Bret Baier Fox News March 21, 2017
(Published on Mar 21, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sBUCWwOi97w