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    Trump: what dangers does he face from Globalists?
    Trilateral Commission, CFR, WEF/Davos, Bilderberg
    by Jon Rappoport
    December 3, 2016
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    Best not to be too naive about this...

    Quote As I keep emphasizing, Trump achieved two great things in his campaign for the presidency: he stopped Hillary Clinton from occupying the Oval Office, and he ran against big media, helping to further destroy its reputation.

    From here on, we shall see.

    How many compromises will the new president permit? How many will he seek?

    To put it another way, how many covert victories will arch-Globalist David Rockefeller and his associates pile up? They are, of course, aware that Trump has promised to kick the can of Globalism down the road, stop the excesses of “free trade,” and bring stolen jobs back to America. What actions will they take against Trump?

    Here’s a lesson from the past, about a president who put a brief dent in David Rockefeller’s master-plan. Let’s look at Richard Nixon and a different version of Watergate, the scandal that toppled him.

    On the mega-corporate front, the plan for world control remains the Rockefeller template. “Free trade.” This plan was advanced, ceaselessly, for 40 years until, on January 1, 1995, the World Trade Organization was fully formed and took charge of criminal rules of global commerce: the crowning moment for global corporate predators. No more tariffs.

    However, back in the early 1970s, the whole operation had almost been derailed. One man, a crook, a president, a liar, an insecure parody of a head of state, Richard Nixon, went off script. He REALLY went off script.

    In an effort to bolster US companies and protect them from foreign competition, Nixon began erecting tariffs on a range of goods imported into the US.

    If this Nixon economic plan spread to other countries, the entire global program to install “free trade” and mega-corporate emperors on their thrones for a thousand years could crash and burn.

    Nixon was a Rockefeller man. He was owned by them. He’d been rescued from financial ruin by The Family, and now he was in the White House undermining their greatest dream. You can’t overstate the degree of the betrayal, from the Rockefeller point of view. You simply can’t.

    Something had to be done. The president had to go. This was the real motivation behind Watergate. This was the real op. Yes, there were sub-motives and smaller contexts, but the prime move was: get Free Trade back on track; get suitable revenge on the puppet in the White House who went off the script.

    Whether the Watergate break-in was planned to serve the higher goal or was pounced upon after the fact, as a grand opportunity, is beside the point. It was there, and it was used. It became the starting point for the Washington Post, its publisher, veteran editor, and two cub reporters to break Richard Nixon into pieces.

    And if the Rockefeller people needed an inside man to report on the deteriorating mental state of the president as he heated up in the pressure cooker, they had Henry Kissinger, who was another Rockefeller operative.

    The Washington Post was owned by Katharine Graham, who was a very close friend of the Rockefeller family. Years later, she would be awarded a medal of honor by the University of Chicago, an institution founded by John D. Rockefeller. On her death, a paid heartfelt obituary was inserted in the NY Times by the trustees, faculty, and staff of Rockefeller University, where she had served on the University Council.

    And she and Nixon already hated each other by the early 1970s.

    The managing editor of the Washington Post, Ben Bradlee, was an old hand at writing promotional material, having worked in Europe crafting releases for a CIA front group. A former Naval intelligence man, he liked one of his cub reporters, Bob Woodward, who had also worked for the Navy in intelligence.

    When Woodward came to Bradlee with a story about a man in a parking garage who was passing secrets from the White House/FBI about Watergate, we are supposed to believe that Bradlee naturally responded by giving the green light to a major investigation. Woodward and Carl Bernstein, another cub, would undertake it—with nothing more than Bradlee’s reputation and the future survival of the Post and Katharine Graham’s empire on the line if the cubs got it wrong.

    We are supposed to believe Bradlee gave the green light, without knowing who the man in the garage was, without knowing whether Woodward could be trusted, without even getting permission from Graham to move ahead.

    Bradlee, a grizzled veteran of Washington, understanding exactly what Washington could do to people who told secrets out of school, just said to Woodward and Bernstein, “You’d better be damned sure you’re right, because otherwise we’re all in trouble.”

    Two untested cub reporters set loose in a cage with tigers.

    The odds of that happening were nil.

    Bradlee had to know a great deal from the beginning, and he had to have Katharine Graham’s signal to move. The series of breaking stories would be spoon-fed to the unsuspecting young reporters, instead of veteran reporters who would become suspicious that they were being used. The cubs would be consumed by their ambition to advance their careers.

    Bradlee was confident in the whole op because he had the essentials of the Watergate scandal in hand—all the way up to Nixon, the target—well in advance of his two young reporters.

    To have proceeded otherwise—Bradlee was simply not that kind of fool. Whatever Deep Throat, the man in the garage, was dishing out to Woodward didn’t really matter. Bradlee already had it in his pocket. Deep Throat was merely a contrivance to allow the story to expand and grow by steps, and to permit Woodward and Bernstein to believe they were peeling layers from an onion.

    The man behind the curtain was David Rockefeller.

    After the whole scandal had been exposed and Nixon had flown away, in disgrace, from the White House for the last time, Rockefeller addressed a meeting of the Chamber of Commerce of the European Community (October 1975). He was there to allay their fears about Nixon’s betrayal of the new economic world order. There was really very little he needed to say. David had already created (1973) the elite free-trade Trilateral Commission; a new puppet, Gerald Ford, was in the White House; and Ford had appointed David’s brother, Nelson Rockefeller, as his vice president.

    David told the European attendees, “Fortunately, there are no signs that these anti-[free] trade measures [of Nixon] are supported by the [Ford] Administration.”

    And that was that. The global mega-corporate colossus was back on track.

    The temporary rip in the Matrix had been repaired.

    The Matrix Revealed

    On a far lower level of power politics, everyone and his brother was consumed with the contrails of the scandal that had driven away Nixon and his colleagues. People were congratulating each other on expunging a corrupt conspiracy from public life.

    The real players, of course, were still in place, more powerful than ever. David Rockefeller and his aides were preparing for an even greater coup. They had chosen an obscure man with zero name recognition to be the next president of the United States. Jimmy Carter. Carter would function to forward the goals of the Trilateral Commission in bold view of anyone who knew the score.

    And every president since Carter, regardless of party affiliation, has supported and extended those Globalist-corporate goals. No questions asked. Obama, who fatuously remarked during his 2008 election campaign that NAFTA “needs to be revisited,” has taken his cues like any other puppet.

    When, from this perspective, you examine the global takeover of land and resources by GMO agribusiness, the destruction of small family farms, the plundering of natural resources in the Third World, the use of UN “peacekeepers” and “humanitarian groups” and intelligence agencies to create a wedge, for corporations, into these areas, you see the hand of the Rockefeller plan.

    When you see the destruction of currencies and the escalation of insupportable debt, the incursion of a bewildering number of UN-affiliated groups sinking their teeth into local communities all over the planet to “manage sustainable development,” you see the plan.

    Now, as Donald Trump prepares to take office as the 45th president of the United States, the plan is very much intact. What will he do to disrupt it? How much will he risk? What deals will he make? How far will he go in opposing the Rockefeller Globalists? Is he already co-opted? What measures are the Globalists launching?

    We will see.

    But the lesson of Richard Nixon reveals that David Rockefeller and his team are willing to do whatever it takes to depose an enemy.

    They play hardball.

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    That Jim Sinclair fella knows a thing or two. Even if he's only a gold trader, he's spot on about how the automatic virtual market values are meaningless.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Trump: what dangers does he face from Globalists?
    Trilateral Commission, CFR, WEF/Davos, Bilderberg
    by Jon Rappoport
    December 3, 2016

    [...]

    The real players, of course, were still in place, more powerful than ever. David Rockefeller and his aides were preparing for an even greater coup. They had chosen an obscure man with zero name recognition to be the next president of the United States. Jimmy Carter. Carter would function to forward the goals of the Trilateral Commission in bold view of anyone who knew the score.

    And every president since Carter, regardless of party affiliation, has supported and extended those Globalist-corporate goals. No questions asked. Obama, who fatuously remarked during his 2008 election campaign that NAFTA “needs to be revisited,” has taken his cues like any other puppet.

    When, from this perspective, you examine the global takeover of land and resources by GMO agribusiness, the destruction of small family farms, the plundering of natural resources in the Third World, the use of UN “peacekeepers” and “humanitarian groups” and intelligence agencies to create a wedge, for corporations, into these areas, you see the hand of the Rockefeller plan.

    When you see the destruction of currencies and the escalation of insupportable debt, the incursion of a bewildering number of UN-affiliated groups sinking their teeth into local communities all over the planet to “manage sustainable development,” you see the plan.

    Now, as Donald Trump prepares to take office as the 45th president of the United States, the plan is very much intact. What will he do to disrupt it? How much will he risk? What deals will he make? How far will he go in opposing the Rockefeller Globalists? Is he already co-opted? What measures are the Globalists launching?

    We will see.

    But the lesson of Richard Nixon reveals that David Rockefeller and his team are willing to do whatever it takes to depose an enemy.

    They play hardball --Jon Rappoport
    Yes, I distinctly remember that moment during Obama's 2008 campaign when he was asked specifically about the CFR & the notion of a North American Union - whether he was aligned with it, or was participating with this agenda?

    His response was a pretense, imo - a pretension - pretending that he had never heard of this before...
    "...What do you call it?" - 'North American... Union'?"
    - A clever side-step... too clever... as it seemed clear to me, in the way he responded to this question...

    This was enough for me to arouse my suspicion in this particular man... I refused to register to vote because of this one particular answer to this one question...


    Whether Trump can overcome the immensity of power that is presently finding itself being threatened by, overwhelmed by it... It is the biggest question yet to be answered... its almost asking for a miracle... to ask the question... Will Trump be able to find his way through this labyrinth... through this maze of powerful diabolical forces... without, himself, becoming overwhelmed by the treachery???

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    That Jim Sinclair fella knows a thing or two. Even if he's only a gold trader, he's spot on about how the automatic virtual market values are meaningless.
    Even Jim Sinclair, with all his life-long experience in knowing how rigged the system is, he's expressed the doubt he has...
    "This degraded world has little chance of significant change with another Goldman Alumni as Secretary of the US Treasury [Steve Mnuchin], as well another 1% being in the US cabinet as Secretary of Commerce [Wilbur Ross Jr].

    The greatest men and women that every walked the Earth did not have a penny to their name or in any self administrated charitable trust. What we have might be better than than the alternative, but most probably not by much. A president is usually the sum of his closest advisors.

    Where I am concerned the case is closed.

    Personally, I am extremely disappointed.

    Machiavelli, or more formally Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli lives. He has often been called the founder of modern political science or the worst SOB that ever took birth.

    We are back to the “Hope and Change” mock scenario.”
    --Jim Sinclair
    Stupid is as Stupid does...
    Whatever is said by the present-day pundits... what they say... in what they say & think... My HS flies into the face of this most highly improbable ordeal & tells me... Yes, Donald Trump will find his way through this dark-night madness...

    I can't say that I believe in this... but can only sit in my seat at the back of the theater... & watch this to be played out... and accept whatever ending that has been written into this particular script. I must say, that I don't like to know how the movie ends before seeing it...

    ...Popcorn, anyone?
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    Following disappointing results from the initial recount efforts in Pennsylvania, CBS reports Jill Stein's Green Party is dropping its court case seeking a statewide recount of Pennsylvania’s Nov. 8 presidential election, blaming a lack of funds.

    As we noted earlier, according to Philly Voice, an updated count Friday by state election officials shows Trump’s lead over Democrat Hillary Clinton has shrunk from 71,000 to 49,000. If this new number is accurate, Trump’s lead is at 0.8 percent, down from more than 1 percent. That is still shy of Pennsylvania’s 0.5 percent trigger for an automatic statewide recount.

    On Monday, Jill Stein of the Green Party filed a lawsuit in Pennsylvania seeking a statewide recount of presidential votes in a continuation of her mission to contest the election results in three key voting states.

    But now, wanted to explore whether voting machines and systems had been hacked and the election result manipulated, as CBS reports, The Green Party is dropping its case...
    The decision came Saturday, two days before a court hearing in the case.

    Lawyers for the Green Party-backed voters who filed the case say they can’t afford the $1 million bond ordered by the court by Monday at 5 p.m.

    However, Green Party-backed efforts to analyze election software in scattered precincts are continuing.
    Full statement...
    According to a statement, Stein plans to hold a news conference about the recount effort Monday morning outside Trump Tower in New York City.
    "The judge's outrageous demand that voters pay such an exorbitant figure is a shameful, unacceptable barrier to democratic participation,"

    "This is yet another sign that Pennsylvania's antiquated election law is stacked against voters."
    A statement from the Pennsylvania GOP sent Saturday night read, in part:
    “The filing of a discontinuance of the Election Contest by Jill Stein’s petitioners tonight is a recognition that their Election Contest was completely without merit, and meant solely for purposes to delay the Electoral College vote in Pennsylvania for President-Elect Trump…

    Candidate Jill Stein’s allegations created the false allusion that some unidentified foreign government hacked our state’s voting systems when absolutely no such proof existed. We believe that she always knew that she had no such proof.”
    So did Stein really spend all the $6 million-plus she raised or was the decision made to save the scammed millions instead of pressing ahead with a futile unwarranted recount? (or did Soros run out of cash?)

    SOUROS
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    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
    Following disappointing results from the initial recount efforts in Pennsylvania, CBS reports Jill Stein's Green Party is dropping its court case seeking a statewide recount of Pennsylvania’s Nov. 8 presidential election, blaming a lack of funds.
    Jim Stone, on his website http://82.221.129.208/baasepagee6.html, is calling this story as false.

    He writes:

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    DO NOT BE FOOLED. THE MSM LIED. JILL DID NOT DROP THE RECOUNT.

    Everything I mention in this update is fully documented with links in the page below, and I mean DOCUMENTED to the last letter.

    Jill will now continue the recount effort by suing every single major precinct. The MSM LIED AS USUAL. First of all, they are not covering any of the recount issues well at all - many people do not even know it is going on. Now, they are lying about Pennsylvania.

    THIS IS THE NEW STRATEGY:

    1. CONTINUE FORGING BALLOTS IN PENNSYLVANIA (where they are replacing genuine ballots with forgeries) until they have enough forgeries to either flip it to hillary or force a recount. This is exactly how they mysteriously came up with over 25,000 more ballots for Hillary and shrunk Trump's lead to 49,000. They came up with an initial 22,000 on Friday and were able to forge an additional 4,000 today. At this rate, they will trip a recount in 3 more days, and steal it entirely in 12 days. And you can watch it happen on Pennsylvania's own vote tabulation web site. The media is lying and saying the vote tabulation is done, all the while you can still see them creep in on Pennsylvania's official web site. The MSM has got to know this, and they are lying about it for a reason. The official web site makes it very clear: The posted results are NOT OFFICIAL because it is still ongoing as of two hours before Dec 4.

    2. CONTINUE THE RECOUNT EFFORT AT A PRECINCT LEVEL RATHER THAN A STATE LEVEL in the hopes of flipping enough to Hillary to either hand it to her outright, or trigger a recount. These two methods in conjunction with each other, are extremely likely to flip it if people sit on the couch and let it happen.

    I AM NOT CLICK BAITING OR TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE, I AM SAYING IT LIKE IT IS. For some reason Pennsylvania STILL has precincts with "uncounted" ballots ALMOST A MONTH after the election. This is ONLY because team hillary has people forging ballots until the election is flipped. IF PEOPLE GO TO SLEEP AND LET THIS SLIDE, IT WILL BE FLIPPED.

    Look people, I am NOT MAKING THIS STUFF UP. I have all the links and proof this is going on. I am not quoting joe blow or fake news, I am quoting AP directly and proving it is NOT OVER by showing you plain as day on Pennsylvania's own election tallying state web site that is showing the slip to oblivion with updates every three minutes. THEY ARE STEALING THIS, AND YOU CAN WATCH IT PROGRESS HERE The actual page date is at the bottom of the page, the date at the top of the page was put there on election day.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: All precincts were shown as "reporting" and the graph has shown 100% for weeks now and did within a couple days of the election. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE COUNT IS DONE, I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT EVEN NOW, SATURDAY EVENING, THEY HAVE NOT RETURNED ALL VOTES (obviously because in the big precincts they are STILL FORGING BALLOTS.

    I am not alone in saying the recount is not over, other credible web sites are saying the same thing! THE MSM WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE IT IS OVER SO YOU GO HOME, GO TO BED, AND LET THEM STEAL IT IN PEACE.

    ELECTION STEALING METHOD IN PENNSYLVANIA REVEALED. SEE THIS. Now we know how Hillary started smashing Trump at the end!
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    Currently, Republican Donald Trump leads in the Electoral College by 306 electoral votes, to 232 for Democrat Hillary Clinton.

    If Jill Stein's three recounts succeed in delaying when the election commissioners in the states of Pennsylvania (20 votes), Wisconsin(10 votes), and Michigan (16 votes) can certify the results past the date of December 13, 2016, so that the results are not available for the Electoral College vote on December 19, then this would make the Electoral College vote 306-20-10-16 == 260 for Trump, versus 232 for Clinton, which still gives Trump the majority.

    But if in addition to this, Clinton can persuade 15 of the remaining Trump electors to become "faithless", and change their vote to Clinton, then Clinton wins the Electoral College by 247 to 245.
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    Trump is already making radical changes. imagine how the companies will feel and what they would do after talking to Donald and then getting the news of a globalist takeover. Jill must be be pretty deep in bed with the, Paul's quote, "bastards in power".

    I hope Donald has his back covered or somebody is helping him in counteracting this farce and deliberate division to the American people.

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    There has to be 270 electoral votes to win the electoral college. It has to be a majority of all electors, not just counted ones. That means 270.

    If neither candidate reaches an absolute majority (which has happened before, in 1824), then the vote goes to the House of Representatives and each state gets 1 vote. Trump won the majority of states by far so he should win in that case too.

    Even if all three states are flipped and Hillary miraculously gets the 270 she needs all of a sudden, aside from stinking to high heaven and probably causing a civil war very quickly, the electoral college results are presented to Congress in January and Congress has the right to investigate them and even overturn them.

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    Quote Posted by bsbray (here)
    There has to be 270 electoral votes to win the electoral college. It has to be a majority of all electors, not just counted ones. That means 270.
    I've seen both views presented - that the winner needs the 270 majority of all 538 potential electors, and that the winner needs a majority of just the electors actually voting.

    I don't know how to determine which is the case, or even if this is a case of undisputed law (that I just don't happen to know for certain.)

    Of course, in times like this, there is little that would be allowed to go undisputed, if it served some major player's interests .
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    CNN Caught in Locker Room Talk;
    Crew Jokes About Trump's Plane Crashing

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    Nothing to see here. The girls at CNN were merely fraternizing, joking it up about the President elect's airplane crashing. If you listen closely, one of the catamites caught giggling said he'd only be injured, not killed, so there's that.

    Hot mics are a bitch and so is the person who made these comments.

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    More Recent Trump Tweets....

    The U.S. is going to substantialy reduce taxes and regulations on businesses, but any business that leaves our country for another country,

    3:41 AM - 4 Dec 2016

    Titter Link:


    Twitter Statement in Full:
    The U.S. is going to substantialy reduce taxes and regulations on businesses, but any business that leaves our country for another country,.... fires its employees, builds a new factory or plant in the other country, and then thinks it will sell its product back into the U.S. ...... without retribution or consequence, is WRONG! There will be a tax on our soon to be strong border of 35% for these companies ...... wanting to sell their product, cars, A.C. units etc., back across the border. This tax will make leaving financially difficult, but..... these companies are able to move between all 50 states, with no tax or tariff being charged. Please be forewarned prior to making a very ... expensive mistake! THE UNITED STATES IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

    SOURCE
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    Guests are Judge Napolitano... Travis Irvine... Robert Martin... Steve Moore... Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis... topics cover:
    - Trumps statement on flag-burning...
    - Prosecution of Clintons / Clinton Foundation...
    - Liberals Post-2016-Election...
    - Gen. 'Mad Dog' Mattis, Jeff Sessions, Elaine Chao, Betsy DeVos...
    - The problems w/ lower-level bureaucrats of the DC 'Swamp'
    - Jill Stein, David Brock, Steve Mnuchin


    Roger Stone - Stone Cold Truth Radio
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    Currently, Republican Donald Trump leads in the Electoral College by 306 electoral votes, to 232 for Democrat Hillary Clinton.

    If Jill Stein's three recounts succeed in delaying when the election commissioners in the states of Pennsylvania (20 votes), Wisconsin(10 votes), and Michigan (16 votes) can certify the results past the date of December 13, 2016, so that the results are not available for the Electoral College vote on December 19, then this would make the Electoral College vote 306-20-10-16 == 260 for Trump, versus 232 for Clinton, which still gives Trump the majority.

    But if in addition to this, Clinton can persuade 15 of the remaining Trump electors to become "faithless", and change their vote to Clinton, then Clinton wins the Electoral College by 247 to 245.

    Jill missed Pennsylvania's recount deadline (NOV21), 20 votes......

    So IMO, this is all just a distraction now, with out Pen. why do a recount?

    Why continue talking about this when it's meaningless... Well it makes sense to keep up the drama if that's all it was ever meant to do.


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    Jill missed Pennsylvania's recount deadline (NOV21), 20 votes......
    See my Post #1345, above, of Jim Stone material, that figures that Jill Stein isn't quitting her efforts in Pennsylvania. She's just shifting gears, from the state level, to the individual precint level.
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    Is the Donald Trumped? Clinton scheming to seize White House through backdoor. RT News: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/369019-do...us-presidency/

    Quote Next month, Donald J. Trump, with hand on Bible, will be sworn in as the 45th President of the United States. Or will he? The recent talk about recounting votes and 'faithless electors' suggests this highly contentious power struggle is far from over.
    In fact, it may be just beginning.

    Anybody who believes Hillary Rodham Clinton has been sent to the political graveyard by a Manhattan real estate developer has forgotten the cruel surprises of recent history (Remember the Greek referendum? Brexit anyone?). Democratic due process has devolved into something like ‘The Hunger Games’ for the rich - a sensational televised spectacle to entertain the elite every four years, while keeping the people believing they can effect real change.

    Although it may seem implausible to some, Donald J. Trump may be denied the presidency due to a democratic system that has been corrupted to the bone by excessive wealth, power and collusion at the highest levels.


    The first step in the process was to perpetuate the news that although Donald Trump won the Electoral College (306-232), he failed to win the popular vote - reportedly by 2.5 million votes, at last count.

    Clinton’s alleged victory in the popular vote count, which continued for three weeks after Nov. 9 (keep in mind that most of the vote monitors had already gone home as these votes were being quietly tallied), could present serious complications for Trump and his chances of entering the White House, as will become clear a bit later.

    Meanwhile, the blatantly anti-Trump media is conducting “thought experiments” to show how Clinton would have, could have, should have won the Electoral College if only the Electoral map had been spliced and diced here and there across the nation. The implicit media message behind all of this tomfoolery, of course, is that Wall Street-approved Clinton deserves her coronation, because, well, that is what the elite want, democratic procedure be damned.

    This ongoing campaign on behalf of Clinton is much more than just sour grapes; in fact, it is a war of attrition designed to exert undue pressure on the Electoral College, the rickety institution that got Trump elected in the first place. And although it has never robbed an election from a candidate who has gained the majority of Electoral College votes, there is a possibility – and a very high one in this particular battle - of so-called “faithless electors” tipping this contest in Clinton’s favor.

    This represents the second stage of Clinton’s attempt at reversing the results of the presidential election in her favor.

    Will the Electoral College go rogue?
    The Electoral College is scheduled to meet on December 19 to perform what, under normal circumstances, would be a mere formality of voting for either Clinton or Trump, according to the will of their constituents.

    Needless to say, however, we are not dealing with “normal circumstances.” This is a battle the Democrats have no intention of losing, no matter what the Electoral College results tell us.

    The 2016 presidential campaign represents an epic power struggle that will determine the trajectory of US domestic and foreign policy like no other contest in recent history. No surprise, then, that neo-liberal lobbying groups have been exerting immense pressure on these electors to ignore the will of the people and “vote their conscience.”

    You’d be very wrong to think this couldn’t work. If 37 Republican electors essentially break the law and vote against Trump, it will block him from winning the presidency. The Democrat's team of lawyers and political consultants are now working around the clock to make this happen.

    Micheal Baca, a Denver Democrat and a member of the state’s Electoral College delegation, is one of the individuals attempting to persuade Republican electors to discard the will of the people and vote for anybody but Trump.

    Baca makes no secret about his intentions to override the Constitution and go rogue.

    “This is not about Hillary,” he said. “This is about trying to stop Donald Trump.”

    The Democrat full-court press is getting results. Art Sisneros, a Texas Republican elector, confirmed this week that he would resign his position rather than perform his Constitutionally mandated task.

    Before continuing, let's take a moment and perform our own "thought experiment" and consider would would happen if Hillary Clinton somehow gets the nod for the presidency instead of Trump. If the country is not completely overwhelmed by coast-to-coast riots and protests, and there is somehow a peaceful transition of power, then Clinton can expect to face four years of the most hostile, uncooperative (Republican) Congress in American history. Although given the number of neocons who openly support Clinton and her hawkish tendencies, there could be points of agreement.

    In a best-case scenario, there would be - aside from carrying out the necessary task of maintaining ‘law and order’ at home, while continuing on a war footing abroad - a four-year-long government shutdown. America would get its first real taste of what martial law feels like.

    The American Conservative painted the following picture as to what would happen if Trump’s Electoral College victory were rescinded: “Constitutional government would have broken down, and we would be facing something like a Latin American presidential dictatorship. For several years, Washington’s political debate would be reduced to something like a Hobbesian war of all against all.”

    Is that something we really need? Apparently it is for some folks, and not least of all Green Party presidential candidate, Jill Stein.

    And this brings us to the final stage of a possible Clinton coup.

    Civil War, anyone?
    It is generally assumed that it was Jill Stein, the Green Party presidential candidate who masterminded the call for a recount of votes in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. That’s not quite right.

    Just one day after the above article appeared (Nov. 22), Jill Stein, who came in dead last with about 3 million votes less than Gary ‘What is Aleppo?’ Johnson, announced she would be collecting money to recount votes in the swing states. One of the interesting things about Stein's choice of swing states to hold recounts is that these are the very same places where Trump emerged victorious. Coincidence or not, that alone should have set off some alarms.

    In any case, the reason Jill Stein and not Hillary Clinton is calling for the recount is evident: Throughout the campaign, the media hounded Trump with a single annoying question never asked of the future loser: Would he accept the results of the election in the event he lost? When Trump said he would take a “wait and see” approach, Clinton assumed a holier than thou position.

    “Now make no mistake,” Clinton solemnly told supporters, “by doing that, he is threatening our democracy. The peaceful transition of power is one of the things that sets us apart. It’s how we hold our country together no matter who’s in charge.”

    So now that the tables are turned, Stein is in the kitchen doing the dirty work. And the media suddenly can’t get enough of this woman who haunted the 2016 election campaign like a rare phantom sighting.

    Here’s how News Busters tallied her sudden stardom: “When Jill Stein was the Green Party’s candidate for US president, the networks only gave her 36 seconds of coverage. However, as soon as she launched a campaign to contest the presidential election and demand a recount of ballots in several key states, the evening news shows on ABC, CBS and NBC managed to find 7 minutes and 26 seconds of coverage for her in just four days. That's more than 12 times as much coverage as in the entire campaign.”

    But it gets better. Stein has managed to accumulate a massive war chest to carry out the recount - $7 million at last count (or about seven times what she received during her entire presidential campaign). At one point, her recount drive was pulling in almost $5,000 every minute. Somehow that doesn’t sound like Joe Voter digging deep in his Levi's; that sounds more like big league spenders stepping up to the plate. Incidentally, when Stein first started passing the hat around, she said $2.5 million would be plenty, thank you very much. Yet every time she hit the target, a higher threshold was introduced.

    Is Stein’s recount campaign really about collecting some easy money while giving the Green Party some much-needed attention? Or is Stein just trying to shed some light on the dry rot gnawing away at the foundation of US democracy? All that, however necessary, seems very unlikely. After all, the recount plan was initially floated to Hillary Clinton, not Jill Stein. Thus, we must assume this is all part of a major power push for the Democrats to steal the White House from Donald Trump.

    As Paul Joseph Watson summed up the situation: “Her entire campaign was backed by an establishment that wouldn’t hesitate to exploit a recount to carry out the vote fraud they thought they didn’t need on Election Day.”

    Exactly.

    And here is where we can fit the last piece into the puzzle to understand what is really going on here. If the recount effort alone won’t make much of a difference to either Clinton or Stein’s chances of overturning the massive edge that Trump now enjoys, then why are they bothering themselves? Hold onto your seats, folks, this gets interesting.

    The answer boils down to simple arithmetic, as well as some monkey play in the system.

    Presently, Michigan has already agreed to a recount, which will be carried out this weekend and require hand-counting of ballots in the regions. This process will take many days. Federal law requires the recount to be finished by Dec. 13 – just six days before the Electoral College is expected to cast its votes.

    Wisconsin has already agreed to a recount, while Pennsylvania is dragging its feet. In other words, this process will probably take us right up to Dec. 19 – the date the Electoral College is supposed to cast their votes (Why the Electoral College vote isn’t valid without these voters, who could go rogue, is a question for another day).

    Keep in mind that the total number of Electoral College Votes in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania equals 46. Now take Trump’s 306 Electoral votes and subtract that amount. This leaves you with 260, which is below the 270 required for a candidate to be automatically considered the winner of a presidential election. Do you see where this is going?

    Now if this recount should start to point toward a Clinton victory in these three swing states, this will present Trump with a very serious quandary. Should he kick up a fuss and protest the recount on the grounds that he won the Electoral College, this could provoke some sort of “constitutional crisis” that prevents the recount from being completed by the Dec. 13 deadline.

    Now, if the matter remains unsettled by Dec. 19 this could - technically speaking - give the Electoral College’s “faithless electors” yet more reason for not aligning themselves with their constituents. Or, on the other hand, the Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania votes could be considered forfeited because they failed to resolve the issue by the Dec. 19 deadline.

    So if it did come down to this, who do you think will be selected – possibly by the very Supreme Court that Trump hopes to disband once in office – to be the 45th president of the United States?

    Yes, Hillary Rodham Clinton, the candidate we have been told got 2.5 million more popular votes than Donald Trump (I would suggest Trump start a serious process to challenge those votes right now).

    For those who still doubt this possibility, please consider the two latest failed grassroots movements of our times – Brexit and the Greek referendum - two examples of ‘democracy in action’ that the political elite has de facto canceled or put on hold indefinitely.

    Such dramatic setbacks, which are becoming the rule rather than the exception, lend credence to Mark Twain’s famous observation that “If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”

    In other words, the elite will always get what they want, regardless how the votes goes.

    Clinton seizing the White House through the backdoor would not be the strangest thing to happen in old Washington. Just ask George W. Bush how he got elected president in 2000 by the Supreme Court, not We the People.

    @Robert_Bridge

    Now I'm not a Trump supporter but this is disturbing. If Trump ends up not getting the presidency, America is going to erupt into a ****tstorm....
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    Even if Hillary doesn't squeeze into the Whitehouse, The Green leader is very high profile right now and getting billions worth of publicity ( for free ) for her reach for the Presidency in 2020. her willingness to do this is proof enough that she'll make a great NWO puppet President. Also, she's a woman.
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    This article on Yahoo, claiming to be from AFP (though I couldn't find that article on https://www.afp.com/en) provides more details on Jill Stein's next tactic in Pennsylvania. The only way to directly challenge the results in individual precints is for ordinary citizens in each precint to file petitions. Each such filing requires posting a $1,000,000 bond, which is out of the reach of ordinary citizens. So Jill Stein's lawyers intend to file in US Federal Court, on tomorrow, Monday, 5 Dec 2016, complaining that this isn't fair.

    P.S. -- Here's that AP article, on apnews.com: Green Party taking bid for election recount to federal court
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by bsbray (here)
    There has to be 270 electoral votes to win the electoral college. It has to be a majority of all electors, not just counted ones. That means 270.
    I've seen both views presented - that the winner needs the 270 majority of all 538 potential electors, and that the winner needs a majority of just the electors actually voting.
    For what it's worth, this is the language of the Constitution itself, in the 12th Amendment:

    Quote Twelfth Amendment

    The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.... The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President to the United States.
    https://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...rovisions.html


    We have a precedent in this happening before, in 1824. The electoral votes were split 4 ways and the guy with the most votes (Andrew Jackson) didn't win just because he had the most. The vote went to the House of Representatives, which then appointed John Quincy Adams to the presidency.

    If Congress wants to suddenly divert from this precedent now they would have to make a very compelling argument to the American people as to why they believe they should do so. Electors were appointed in all three of the states which are trying to be stolen from Trump, and just because they may not be able to submit their results by the deadline now doesn't mean they didn't have electors appointed or that the votes of their citizens no longer count in any way. The electors in those states were already picked and have even been in the news for receiving a bunch of death threats from the liberals.
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Even if Hillary doesn't squeeze into the Whitehouse, The Green leader is very high profile right now and getting billions worth of publicity ( for free ) for her reach for the Presidency in 2020. her willingness to do this is proof enough that she'll make a great NWO puppet President. Also, she's a woman.
    I would say the opposite, that she is destroying her chances to become president by selling out in this way. Many Democrats and even her own Green Party have turned their backs on her already and are saying that she's just grandstanding and scamming people out of millions of dollars that will go nowhere. The kind of press she's been getting out of this isn't particularly good press even from the MSM who should be happy about what she's doing. And don't think there isn't dirt on this woman too if anyone cared to dig it up.

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    Quote Posted by bsbray (here)
    For what it's worth, this is the language of the Constitution itself, in the 12th Amendment:

    Quote Twelfth Amendment

    ... The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed ...
    Aha - that's pretty clear - thanks.

    My calculations in Post #1346, above, are wrong, and Hillary Clinton needs to get from 232 Electoral College votes to 270 votes (another 38 votes needed), if she is to win outright in the Electoral College.

    Failing that, she at least needs to remove 37 of Donald Trump's Electoral College, to reduce his vote count from 306 to 269 or less, in order to throw the election into the House of Representatives.

    I can't see how (though I trust that Hillary's lawyers would propose some scheme in such a case) that Hillary Clinton could win in the House of Representatives however. When they vote for President in such cases, as described in the 12th Amendment you quoted, they vote state-by-state, with each state getting the same one vote. Republicans hold the substantial majority of states, including most of the smaller states, while Democrats hold more of the few, larger, states such as California.

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    P.S. -- Maybe not ! . What does the phrase "the whole number of Electors appointed" mean? If Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania are still in the throws of recounts at the appointed time in December, do their electors count as "appointed", if those states were unable to decide, on time, which electors to appoint?

    I think not. Now I am reverting to thinking my calculations in Post #1346, above, are correct.
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    Moving on... cuz in my opinion, and as Target has said, this is just added drama... so, I've been taking some time to look at Trump's recent pick of Wilbur Ross as head of the Department of Commerce... I must say, he appears to be fully on the page with Trump foreseeable economic policy... will also focus on Steve Mnuchin when able...

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    Malzberg | Wilbur Ross discusses
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    Wilbur Ross: Free trade is a slogan,
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    Donald Trump's pick for Commerce secretary is billionaire businessman Wilbur Ross.
    Here is what we know about the 'King of Bankruptcy.' USA TODAY NETWORK


    By Paul Davidson , USA TODAY 1:26 p.m. EST
    December 1, 2016
    Wilbur Ross, tapped as the next Commerce secretary by President-elect Donald Trump, has been hailed as “the king of bankruptcy,” a nod to his legendary knack for buying troubled companies on the cheap and selling them for billions of dollars in profit.

    The question is whether that enviable skill will transfer easily to his new more nuanced and diplomatic role as the face of American business to the world. Some are optimistic.

    “He has an exquisite sense of timing to buy low and sell high – that’s not easy,” says Gary Hufbauer, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International economics. “He may be able to carry that over in diplomatic dealings.”

    Ross 79, a veteran private-equity investor whose wealth is estimated at $2.9 billion, is expected to lead the charge for Trump’s get-tough trade policy aimed at discouraging U.S. factories from moving abroad, luring some back and narrowing the nation $500 billion annual trade gap. On the campaign trail, Trump threatened to label China a currency manipulator and slap tariffs of 45% on that country and 35% on Mexico.

    Hufbauer, however, said tried-and-true business strategies are unlikely to hold sway with prickly foreign leaders. “You can’t think of China and Mexico as bankrupt companies,” he says. “Threats get China’s hackles up.” He adds that China has “liberalized (its policy on imports) but they take their own sweet time about it.”

    In a CNBC interview Wednesday, the soft-spoken Ross downplayed the much-feared prospect of hefty import duties and trade wars. “Everybody talks about tariffs as the first thing. Tariffs are the last thing. Tariffs are part of the negotiation. The real trick is going to be increase American exports. Get rid of some of the tariff and nontariff barriers to American exports.”

    At the same time, Ross displayed a confident, no-nonsense approach that recognizes U.S. economic strength and leverage. He called the Trans-Pacific Partnership pact with Pacific Rim countries, which has not been ratified and Trump has vowed to kill, a “horrible deal.”

    “We’ve been doing a lot of dumb trade, and that’s the part that’s going to get fixed,” he said.

    “The problem with regional trade agreements is you get picked apart by the first country, then you negotiate with the second, you get picked apart, and you go with the third one, you get picked apart again,” Ross added. “What has to be put into perspective -- we are the big market, we are the world’s biggest importer, we need to treat the other countries as good suppliers, not as determining the whole show.”


    As head of Commerce, Ross will oversee certain trade negotiations and disputes. Hufbauer says he could bring more trade cases against China and seek stiffer penalties for that country’s dumping of products at cut-rate prices in the U.S. While overseeing 47,000 employees and an $8 billion budget, Ross also will work with businesses, colleges and city governments to promote economic growth, create jobs and improve workers’ skills. And Commerce compiles troves of data on the U.S. economy, such as estimates of the gross domestic product, or economic growth.

    Ross’ bloodless and practical negotiating style was honed over decades. He was raised in an affluent household in suburban New Jersey. At the elite Xavier High School in Manhattan, he ran track and was captain of the rifle team, later earning a Bachelor’s degree from Yale College and a Masters of Business Administration from Harvard Business School.

    Ross came to deal with Trump as head of Rothschild’s bankruptcy advisory practice. He and billionaire investor Carl Icahn helped Trump save his Trump Taj Mahal casino hotel from collapse in the early 1990s.

    After forming his own private equity firm in 2000 with $440 million in investor money, Ross commenced a series of canny buyouts. In the early 2000s, he purchased the beleaguered factories of Pennsylvania’s Bethlehem Steel, Cleveland-based LTV and other manufacturers, rolling them into a new company, International Steel Group, that was sold to Mittal Steel for $4.5 billion in 2004. He was credited with saving factory jobs at a time when other players steered clear of the struggling industry.

    “Those companies were failing,” Ross said in a 2005 interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer. “They would’ve been shut down. Bethlehem was days away from shutting down.”

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    Wilbur Ross: Trump is not a bluffer
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    Steve Mnuchin and Wilbur Ross
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    (Published on Dec 1, 2016)
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    The Green Party just dropped its recount suit in Pennsylvania and is losing votes in Wisconsin recount. Just a Stein scam to raise money!

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