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    Please watch this powerful presentation - are you REALLY awake? Or maybe sleepwalking though the APPARENT awakening?? Do you have the guts to watch this??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUTgZ7s_hiw#

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    Quote Posted by kirolak (here)
    Please watch this powerful presentation - are you REALLY awake? Or maybe sleepwalking though the APPARENT awakening?? Do you have the guts to watch this??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUTgZ7s_hiw#
    I'm hooked after the first statement of the video!

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    Thank you, I feel so desperate & alone in this fight. . . why do so few break this barrier of darkness?

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    Default Re: ARE YOU SPECIAL or are you ENTITLED? (The Extremism Of Veganism: Exposing The Greatest Lie)

    Quote Posted by kirolak (here)
    Thank you, I feel so desperate & alone in this fight. . . why do so few break this barrier of darkness?
    In a word?
    Programming ...

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    Default Re: ARE YOU SPECIAL or are you ENTITLED? (The Extremism Of Veganism: Exposing The Greatest Lie)

    Deleted. No place for argument or discussion of my feelings on the subject. I can sense your tremendous and sincere desire for change, and your immense respect for these animals. Your heart is wide open and emitting healing energy. Not the place and time for me to invade that precious space.
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    Default Re: ARE YOU SPECIAL or are you ENTITLED? (The Extremism Of Veganism: Exposing The Greatest Lie)

    It's so sad , so cruel . Substantial part of the agony and amnesia of human civilisation
    Maybe many will disagree but how much did 'we' ( humans ) become like 'them' ( animals ) ,
    eating each other for thousands and millions of years in order to survive .

    I'm not trying to excuse one party or another and agree that everyone should see this to make their choice ( and bet sure , the sons and daughters of butchers ..won't blink an eye on it because the killer instinct circles in their blood , the same way it's present in the 'genes' of any predatory species so there are unfortunately people whose number I can't estimate who won't share our emotion )

    but see the greater interconnectedness of life . Every food is love . Predator loves his prey that's why they eat it at the first place .
    It's an extremely primitive instinct and you'd call it perverted pleasure but if you look to the way psychopaths think you'll see how some of the human ancestors been and what genetic trends and traces were inherited from them
    and how low did they descend . I think . The strange combination of 'heights' and 'lows' that mothered this human civilisation is almost endless .

    They'll eat critters . They may once again start eating each other corpses in order to sustain themselves longer . They want to go back to caves.

    If majority of people or even few can make it out to-be-humane , to realise the meaning and fullness of human potential and character through awareness and loving kindness , to find there's such a character instead of brainwashing each other to become numbers, empty soulless creatures without morals and opinion ,
    intelligent machines ,
    there's always a hope .

    Animals abide by the law of jungle and the nature will take care of this and bring them down at their own expense at the end .

    People of today think that 'happy' is the new 'enlightened' but maybe it's always been that way , the real seers of old .. they seldom talked and seldom smiled .




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    Default Re: ARE YOU SPECIAL or are you ENTITLED? (The Extremism Of Veganism: Exposing The Greatest Lie)

    I wonder, what was it that stopped you from eating meat?

    In my case it was a moment, in one second i no longer felt the need. Nobody talked me into it, i wasn't thinking about it either. Just the look made me walk away.
    I would like for it to be false but from pure observation there is a factor that fixes things. Not sure if it is influenced by us.
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    Quote Posted by soul (here)
    I wonder, what was it that stopped you from eating meat?

    In my case it was a moment, in one second i no longer felt the need. Nobody talked me into it, i wasn't thinking about it either. Just the look made me walk away.
    I would like for it to be false but from pure observation there is a factor that fixes things. Not sure if it is influenced by us.
    I did think and feel about lots of things , as a teenager especially .. and came to my own conclusions , decisions and awareness . So i basically decided it's a 'sin' at some point and tried to refrain from it .
    Later , as 19 year old i left to study to India in quest of the same deeper , greater truth and was so blessed and relieved to meet an ancient culture who teach and practice non-violence and being purely vegetarian .

    In those days here in Europe the awareness of such issues was so scarce really that i was mocked even by my own mum for my truth and views and vegetarians were really looked upon as 'extreme nuts' .
    Talking of situation 25 , 23 years ago .. so lots has improved since then , there are many purely vegetarian places, vegan restaurants and shops where people can go to shop and dine ,
    unfortunately it's still an oddity compared to the whole and most 'organic food' is expensive , imported or both.

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    Quote Posted by kirolak (here)
    Thank you, I feel so desperate & alone in this fight. . . why do so few break this barrier of darkness?
    I can get very sad on such things, the news , the endless wars , too sad ..

    but it's probably important to realise it's been that way since the beginning when we set out foot on this planet .

    The first of 4 Noble Truth of Buddha is realisation that 'Life Is Suffering' .

    Every day somewhere someone dies and someone is born anew, every minute or less . Someone have the best day today and many their worse .
    Change is inevitable to all living things .. Time proceeds with its steady or fluctuating vector to form yet unknown future , leaving the imprint of its past like carpet woven to hyperspace . Everything just transforms ..

    There are planets in faraway stars that are far more hospitable to host advanced life like yours than here ..

    Seeing any one part of the truth , of the chain of causes and consequences is still a view broken to countless facets ,

    the state free of suffering is not of this world


    in order to accommodate this extreme human situation we need to achieve extraordinary wisdom
    that will heal the rest



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    Default Re: ARE YOU SPECIAL or are you ENTITLED? (The Extremism Of Veganism: Exposing The Greatest Lie)

    Quote Posted by kirolak (here)
    Thank you, I feel so desperate & alone in this fight. . . why do so few break this barrier of darkness?
    You are not alone my sweet sister.

    One of our roles on Mother Earth here, may well be to inspire others to be able to see what they cannot yet see.

    There is a saying "You cannot appreciate what you cannot perceive."

    When one becomes consciously aware that animals are just us in another form it changes everything.

    My love to you and to all beings

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    Thank you all for your strong responses, I feel such a deep connection to you all. . . . btw, regarding the question as to when I stopped eating meat, I never did eat it, I was a weird child who would only eat boiled rice, which I 'd squeeze into a ball in my hand. . .. must have been in an eastern body in a recent incarnation I'd only drink black tea but preferred water. My mother had me at the doctor constantly, complaining I would not eat; bizarrely, I was advised to drink Coca Cola, after which I was sick for days. Finally, they fed me black beer (stout?) in an effort to make me put on some weight ; odd!

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    Quote Posted by soul (here)
    Not sure if it is influenced by us.
    I changed my mind, i totally cannot eat my cheese sandwiches right now. This video did it! (tried reaching them with my hand but it just stops!)
    btw. i heard from a man that runs marathons that he goes on multiple (even around 20 days) hunger strikes and that he believes that no disease can make it.
    Seems like a good idea.
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    I feel that when we are inside this paradigm bubble everything is so intense, excruciating, unchanging and personal. But I "sense" that like any paradigm once it is resolved all the pain will be like it never existed. Like the pain was healed and replaced with something beautiful and enriching. A foundation of experience that will spread into the cosmos and serve as a way of liberation.
    I'm guessing that If we do choose to come here knowing of the experiences we wish to go through then the farmed beings (we can include ourselves in this) are willing to sacrafice ourselves on this altar of earthly life. The bit i can't understand is the value of this experience. Imo this pain does not seem worth the payoff. But I don't yet know what the true value is perhaps that's one for the soul to answer but mine seems strangely mute on the subject.

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    Because they are not challenged. Like any programing if it is strongly programmed one way you need something as strong to bring it over to the other side. Education, education, education. Show the pain being caused, highlight at every opportunity, support those who can magnify this effort like PETA.

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    Everyone is special, only you can experience life from your perspective and return that knowledge back to Creation making it ewiser .

    Without you Creation can't view the universe through your eyes, through your perspective... That is why everyone is special...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    Quote Posted by kirolak (here)
    Please watch this powerful presentation - are you REALLY awake? Or maybe sleepwalking though the APPARENT awakening?? Do you have the guts to watch this??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUTgZ7s_hiw#


    Thank you, kirolak. I have always respected your understanding of this world as reflected by your posts. I do not find it any easier to live on this planet as time passes. I live every moment of every day with the awareness of what my species is doing to all other living things. We are even perpetuating evil on our own kind. Along time ago I made a commitment to see the world as it really is and what I see terrifies me. How do we live with this disconnect????

    I feel their torture every day. I am so ashamed of what we have done. I don't eat animals, I don't use animal products, I work for animal rescues and I don't feel like it is anything. I no longer feel like it will make a difference, except to me. The madness is so huge and permeating.

    I do not believe consciousness can evolve significantly until we can look this monster square in the eye and have the courage to correct the wrongs we have committed.

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    Default Re: ARE YOU SPECIAL or are you ENTITLED? (The Extremism Of Veganism: Exposing The Greatest Lie)

    Peterpan, thank you for your deep wisdom & insight. . . I know how hard it is to live when one "knows" . . .there is no going back, no un-knowing.. . , ,

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    I have been contemplating the presentation, and realize many will rationalize behaviors by saying we are programmed. I do believe we are programmed, but I don't accept that as an excuse. Many people were raise in highly dysfunctional situations and I don't see that as an excuse for perpetuating the behavior. It may make it harder, that is for sure. I do think that each of us have been gifted with an internal barometer that that lets us know if our lives are aligned with our vision of what we want to be. I also know we can ignore it, deny it, or buffer it with drugs, food , sex, money, technology and the list goes on.

    I like to look at my life as an artistic creation. I ask myself if I am manifesting in the material world the vision of what I want my life to look like. I spent years drugging my consciousness so that I could live a life that was the opposite of what I knew I wanted. I allowed myself to be weak, I put my vision in the back seat of what others wanted. I didn't want conflict and sold my soul to avoid it. I got to the point where I had to make dramatic changes or I was going to self destruct. In fact, I wasn't even able to self destruct successfully.

    I have spent the last 10 years manifesting the life that I envision. It is hard to do on a planet where right is wrong, selfishness is called love, where greed is called success and yes means no. It is really hard to navigate. I know that I must be willing to let go of anything that stands in the way of path that leads to the creation of a life that matches externally with the ideals and values that I hold internally. I see really clearly that this is the purpose and meaning of my life. I am so grateful to people, like the speaker in this presentation for articulating and educating in a compassionate way the truth that is so well hidden from us if we want it to be. I am grateful for kirolak, who speaks her truth no matter how unpopular it might be. True hero's won't be rewarded in this culture, they will mostly be demonized. Instead we will give our adoration to rock stars, and people who throw balls in games. We will adore them no matter how despicable their personal lives may be. We will respect people that have bank accounts with large numbers of dollars in their accounts...it is a topsy turvey world where madness masks as sanity and those that are truly sane are laughed at and dismissed.

    If you are not already doing so, can I suggest that today is as good as any to create the beautiful tapestry of life that will be your legacy. What do you want your life to look like when you have completed it. Dare to visualize your legacy, dare to recreate it if you see fit. This is what we have free will for, use it wisely.
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    Like all ideologies that require change, veganism is one important decision. Yes, we are programmed so overtly and covertly throughout childhood so when we desire the comfort of food, what do we think of?

    I have vegan patients who we honor. They maintain that with raising families, until family members make that jump. That is honorable. The only time you can ever change is when it is an inside job. Thank you for this compelling video. I also watched her other video about eggs. And I have seen, read many presentations regarding meat.

    In the last five years, and maybe it is my age or just that urging within, I have removed red meat from my diet. Chicken is only bought from very organic, free pasture, no hormone farms but that is only eaten rarely. I look away from any farm raised fish and choose Atlantic wild if I have a yen. So that said, mostly my diet consists of plant based, nuts, seeds, protein drink ( made from powdered goat whey), fruit, vegetables in large supply, and some gluten free grains. Protein is high in certain green vegies. The problem I see with veganism or vegetarianism is that these people migrate to other odd choices like too much sugar, too many grains, pastaholics, too many protein bars and actually alcohol. The balance has to be figured out. I still like eggs from pasture raised chicks but noticed that I eat them less and less. When I was a true vegan 15 yrs ago, I subbed with the fake soy protein isolate and fake eggs and I got very sick. Of course! Later realized the toxicity of soy and how it was sprayed and processed. But now, wiser and older, I am in the balancing act.
    When you realize where you come from, you naturally become tolerant, disinterested, amused, kindhearted as a grandparent, dignified as a king. -- I Ching

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    Truly awful and so sad. They are hardened to doing it and we are hardened to eat it. I really see the world going vegetarian if not for heartfelt reasons, for economic and climate-related reasons.
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