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    Default Re: WikiLeaks 'struck a deal with Israel' over diplomatic cables leaks

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    Thanks Ahkenaton for your indepth (?) analysis, here a few comments on your conclusion.

    You must be a specialist in journalism to conclude "The Indybay article does not meet even the most rudimentary journalistic standards", are you such a specialist...? And how may you come to this conclusion if you were not able to read the Arabic Articles, think about it...!

    You say that it is a "hack-job", don't we see, often, some of these in the formal journalistic world...?, and we tend to let it slide in, don't we...?

    I'm not sure, you may conclude that the allegations are not factual if you were not able to read the Arabic Articles...!

    I should point out that I opened up the Tread on "WikiLeaks 'struck a deal with Israel over diplomatic cables leaks l" as an informational gesture, I didn't qualified it, I felt that we were at the beginning of an interesting saga!

    All my blessings.

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    Deega good points, every one. I actually do have a journalistic background in the distant past that although not rising to the level of a NY Times reporter, and dealing with arcane subject matter such as we find on Avalon, none the less my job was journalism such as it was! I agree that the entire informational field is basically a mine field of disinformation sprinkled with bits of truth. I took on the Indybay piece as an example, as I was interested in seeing what 'facts' the article based their allegations on. Unless the articles printed in German or Arabic substantiated the serious allegations, which I could NOT verify, nor could the typical reader encountering this piece - the allegations are baseless. IF I were a lawyer, which I am not, I would have those pieces translated and if they contained no hard facts, I would initiate a lawsuit against the authors on behalf of my client for defamation of character with damages. With respect to the issue of footnoting back-up information provided in foreign languages, while that has the COLOR of proper attribution, inasmuch as the general English-speaking reader cannot determine for themselves the veracity of the allegations by reading the sources, especially when it comes to inflammatory and damaging allegations like these, that attribution does not meet high levels of journalism. (which are much lower than standards required of academic scholarship in my opinion) Of course I cannot vet the pieces in German and Arabic myself, not being a native speaker and not having access to anyone who can translate the articles. I know that you didn't post the piece because you agreed or disagreed with it and were posting it as information, period and I am not presuming you and I are in lock-step in our views. I welcome diversity of opinion in all things as long are certain core values (i.e. truth, freedom, the inestimable value of living things) is honored.
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    Default Re: WikiLeaks 'struck a deal with Israel' over diplomatic cables leaks

    Okay, I've finally had some time to read the article in taz. Will try to get to the Spiegel ones later as time permits. The taz one, in a nutshell, is almost exclusively from the point of view of ex-wikileakers (it makes it sound like there is an entire group that left because they didn't like the way JA concentrated on the cables involving the US, which I personally haven't actually noticed). Here is what I found interesting:

    (Disclaimer: I translated this to the best of my knowledge; however, I am human and therefore imperfect.)

    It is established that a shift of the ethical frame took place at Wikileaks: Away from unconditional data sharing towards impact; for this, less relevant-considered information falls under the table. This reminds of the practice of classical media as well as that of the pop music business. The public is given one hit after another. Not even 300 of approximately 250,000 documents are currently in the public domain—further chart stormers will follow. It's not for nothing that JA is consistently compared to the pop figure of Neo, the hero of The Matrix movies.

    The question is: Is that so bad?
    Many ex-Wikileaks members say yes. Therefore they will go public with a project of their own in mid-December, which they expressively do not see as competition to the Assange network but rather as a different approach.
    Aim of the new project: less power, less spectacle. "As many people as possible shall access as many documents as possible, says Daniel Domscheit-Berg, who wishes to be perceived as someone offering a service to whisleblowers to pass on information without being discovered. To which address should be decided by the source, not the network.


    I guess it'll be interesting what D-B is going to do in a week or so, though he comes across as a bit of a whinge-bag.

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    Karelia thanks so much for this valuable translation from German. You seem to be verifying that there was nothing in taz to corroborate the serious allegations made in the Indybay article. I got that there were internal problems at Wikileaks, which often happens in small organizations. No wonder - given the pressures and kinds of information they deal with. I would imagine like many not for profits, many of the people who work for Wikileaks have strong beliefs and are very idealistic - you don't work at a not for profit to make lots of money! It appears many were disgruntled at JA's personal style and some key choices he made, i.e. going for the big kahunas and of necessity, no doubt, due to lack of staff and resources, neglecting the smaller stories that could have very large impacts on other human communities. These kinds of decisions really seriously tick dedicated staff off. Thus the exodus...................and there is nothing more distracting and vicious than internal organizational politics especially when it gets toxic, which is clearly the case here.

    Now I wish we had someone who could translate those arabic pieces in Syria truth!!

    That still wouldn't resolve of course the key question of whether J.A. is somehow controlled or working for the bad guys, but at least we could totally close out one fact-checking exercise.

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    Default Re: WikiLeaks 'struck a deal with Israel' over diplomatic cables leaks

    Most of the article was about Daniel with double name whining about how wikileaks went down the drain, so, no, absolutely nothing that even remotely confirmed the allegations from the Indiebay piece.

    I think on the key question about JA, only time will perhaps tell. But here are a few thoughts. I've watched people for a long time, and of course, I couldn't help but notice that whenever a true accusation is made, people tend to fall into two broad categories: one, they attack, often ill-mannered, immediately driving attention from the accusation away to something that is likely utterly irrelevant; two, they respond calmly and admit their mistake or whatever. Every politician of importance (no matter how self-perceived) falls into the first category (cue Palin, Clinton et al). JA, on the other hand appears to neither have lost his temper nor his manners at any time. I may be wrong; I've not seen every clip showing him, nor have I read every single article. But I perceived it correctly, I'm tending to lean towards respect for him.

    Another thing: is anyone keeping a very close eye on what's going on in the government? What laws are being passed right now, the information of which is being swept under the table while everyone talks CableGate? No matter whether JA is the real deal or not, I would fully expect TMastardsTB to take advantage of this, whether they saw it coming or not.

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    Default Re: WikiLeaks 'struck a deal with Israel' over diplomatic cables leaks

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    But I perceived it correctly, I'm tending to lean towards respect for him.
    It won't let me edit. *points up* This should have read But IF I perceived it correctly.

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