Helicobacter pylori - advice and remedies

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All:

I'm posting this thread to ask for advice about Helicobacter pylori (often called just H.pylori). It's a notoriously stubborn bacterial infection that can be VERY hard to get rid of, even with strong antibiotics.

This isn't for me: it's for a longstanding forum member who's a close friend and who prefers to remain private. The H.pylori is defying antibiotics, and my friend is really suffering. It's been acute for over 6 months and may have been in there for years. The stomach lining is now continually bleeding, and there's a great deal of weakness and discomfort.

Has anyone had success eliminating this with alternative remedies or non-conventional treatment?

[Olaf]

One of the main reasons for an infection with Helicobacter pylori probably is a deficiency in vitamin C.

It is has been shown, that the gastric fluid normally contains much more vitamin C than blood. In other words: vitamin C is actively pumped into the stomach.

Because vitamin C is one of the most important antioxidants in the human body, it is destroyed by ROS (reactive oxygene species) or RNS (reactive nitrogene species = nitrosative stress). As a result the body tries to get the needed vitamin C from the places that have the biggest amounts of it: stomach, eyes and adrenal glands. (Which is causing a lot of problems in these organs.)

Why is vitamin C deficiency connected with Helicobacter?
1. The stomach needs vitamin C to protect its mucosa against hydrochloric acid.
2. Helicobacter is protecting himself against hydrochloric acid with an encyme, called urease. Vitamin C cracks that encyme, so that helicobacter cannot protect himself anymore against the acid.

Preferred dosis (Dr. Kuklinski, Germany)
Vitamin C as Mg- or Ca-ascorbat, 2g a day , 1-0-1, 4 weeks

In that case you should not use vitamin C as ascorbic acid, because the stomach already has problems to deal with too much acid, when vitamin C is missing.

Other methods
3x daily 15 drops of grapefruit seed extract kills Helicobakter Pylori in 14 days (Sarfatti, Dipertimento die Scienze Abientali, 2008)

[Hervé]

To help with the overall condition, here is a very old, but very good, no-nonsense book - if one can get one's hands on it - from the beginning of last century when Rockefeller's AMA wasn't yet fully consolidated:

"Health via Food" by William H. Hay.

PDF of "Health via Food" here: http://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/...020165.hay.pdf

[Eram]

If the infection can indeed be cured with vitamin C (or ascorbat to avoid the acidity), then I would say that 2 grams is a very low dose.

I've been part of the liposomal vitamin C community for some time now and there are people who take up to 25 grams vitamin c per day (spread over the day).

Also, liposomal vitamin c is recommended over normal vitamin c, because it has a far higher rate of being effective (up to 10 times).

You can buy liposomal vitamin c, but you can also make it yourself.
There are just a few tools that you need, such as a blender and a ultrasonic cleaner.

Here is an easy learning youtube on how to make it yourself:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1cBp879mfgI

and here is a website with a superior method of making liposomal vitamin C.
Results are said to be just as good as the professional ones like livonlabs.
http://qualityliposomalc.com/

[PurpleLama]

Good advice so far, and I would add the suggestion of using castor oil packs. One may use the packs right along with any other treatments. I personally have used a pack to stop a bad case of food poisoning immediately, thereby I can attest to its antibiotic properties. If such is of interest, then I can offer further advice as to the Cayce recommended protocols for using the packs.

[WhiteLove]

Personally I think that this is such a specific issue that it hence also needs to be addressed specifically with high precision, meaning that specific antibiotics or similar should be used based on scientific research and high quality data.

But sometimes that is not effective, unfortunately such as in this case, then I think one should put research into who is very specialized, meaning targeting the doctors rather than the symptoms.

When that does not work either, then I think one should radically change the acid landscape to maximize the chance of something neutralizing it. I would then try a complex formula like:

- EAAs (Essential amino acids) ~21 grams/day
- CAAs (Conditionally Essential Amino Acids) ~13 grams/day
- NAAs (Nonessential Amino Acids) ~9 grams/day
- Fresh only low acid coffee (no coffee directly after lunch, lower the coffee dose in the filter)
- Clean water with good pH (e.g. Evian)
- An orange instead of coffee on after-lunch hours
- Low carbohydrate intake on after-lunch hours
- No alcohol but instead maybe something like Rooibos tea in the evening

I hope this helps...

[Hervé]

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Carmody would suggest MMS I think, ask him to be sure.

[Peace of Mind]

The body heals itself.
I suggest putting the body in an environment where Mother Nature is everywhere. She’ll help. Maybe a retreat, camping, being in and around nature away from all the electro/chemical pollutants, fake foods, various harmful energies/vibrations that’s often found in the average person’s everyday life. Plenty of water, meditation, and natural remedies taken in a complete natural environment should be highly considered…especially when the body is feeling stressed.

Peace

[Mike]

coincidentally i got this email today: http://panasilver.com/?AFFID=&utm_so...gn=promo051316


i would also consider 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide.

good luck!

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Mike (here)
coincidentally i got this email today: http://panasilver.com/?AFFID=&utm_so...gn=promo051316

i would also consider 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide.

good luck!

Here's the H2O2 thread:

Another health maintenance thread: My experience of taking Hydrogen Peroxide 35% food grade, diluted in water

Snippet from post:

…“True Power of Hydrogen Peroxide: Miracle Path to Wellness,” by Mary Wright. (2014 Edition) Her protocol is different than in the OP.

The 144 page book came with 1 Quart 35% Food Grade H2o2, and an amber glass dropper bottle @ PureHealthDiscounts.com.

And from this site:

The Many Benefits of Hydrogen Peroxide, by Dr. David G. Williams

Several of the most common ailments now affecting our population are directly related to oxygen starvation. Asthma, emphysema, lung disease, constipation, diarrhea, intestinal parasites, bowel cancer, periodontal disease. Cancer of all forms continues to increase. Immune system disorders are sweeping the globe: chronic fatigue, "Yuppie Flu" and hundreds of other strange viral diseases.


The following is only a partial listing of conditions in which H202 therapy has been used successfully.



• Parasitic Infections
• Allergies
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Altitude Sickness

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HIV Infection
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Influenza

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Liver Cirrhosis

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Lupus
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Erythematosis

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Multiple Sclerosis
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Candida

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Parkinsonism

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[13th Warrior]

Colloidal silver and/or oregano oil

[kerrielea]

http://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/...020165.hay.pdf

The hardback is available on Amazon.

[regnak]

The best way is to boost the immune system go to a Chinese herbalist explain the problem ask advice
Then go to a Chinese acupuncture explain the problem he will boost the immune system or try to
Last I would go to Qigong doctor explain the problem ask advice

Western doctor or doctors of death because they study the dead human doctor there is some merit in what they learn but for distinction go
to a Qigong doctor they study living bodies .

[DeDukshyn]

 
Mastic gum of Chios.

It has to be the right kind though. For some reason, the mastic trees on the island of Chios have superior gastric ailment treating qualities than trees grown elsewhere - I don't think the reason for this has been clearly identified.

It has been found in studies to be able to eradicate an H. Pylori infection in a couple weeks, and also provides some comfort against associated bloating, cramping and nausea, as well as appears to promote healing in the stomach lining.

Mastic gum is the gummy resin of the mastic tree – Pistacia lentiscus, a relative of the pistachio tree. The mastic tree is found almost exclusively on the Greek island of Chios, the birthplace of Hippocrates, the traditional father of medicine. Mastic gum has historically been used in medicine to fight gastric and intestinal inflammation.

In modern society, mastic gum has proven useful for fighting gastritis and infections as a result of H. pylori as well as gastric and intestinal inflammation. Studies have found that supplementing with mastic gum not only relieves symptoms of heartburn but can actually help heal the stomach, possibly by killing the H. pylori bacteria. Mastica Chios may benefit those suffering with heartburn, especially if these symptoms are due to an H. pylori infection. Mastic gum is an excellent natural alternative for those who have experienced the negative long-term side effects of antacids, proton pump inhibitors, antibiotics and other medications that treat the symptoms of heartburn but not the cause.

There's real human studies that show its effectiveness.

Study abstract references:

Al-Habbal MJ, Al-Habbal Z, Huwez FU. A double-blind controlled clinical trial of mastic and placebo in the treatment of duodenal ulcer. Clin Exp Pharmacol Physiol. 1984 Sep-Oct; 11(5): 541-4. Al-Said MS, Ageel AM, Parmar NS, Tariq M. Evaluation of mastic, a crude drug obtained from Pistacia lentiscus for gastric and duodenal anti-ulcer activity. J Ethnopharmacol. 1986 Mar; 15(3): 271-8. Huwez FU, Al-Habbal MJ. Mastic in treatment of benign gastric ulcers. Gastroenterol Jpn. 1986 Jun; 21(3): 273-4. Huwez FU, Thirlwell D, Cockayne A, Ala'Aldeen DA. Mastic gum kills Helicobacter pylori. N Engl J Med. 1998 Dec 24; 339(26): 1946. Marone P, Bono L, Leone E, Bona S, Carretto E, Perversi L. Bactericidal activity of Pistacia lentiscus mastic gum against Helicobacter pylori. J Chemother. 2001 Dec; 13(6): 611-4.

info from: http://www.aor.ca/en/product/mastica-chios

I would have provided more detailed info, but our "new" website is still missing content ...

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Olaf (here)

Other methods
3x daily 15 drops of grapefruit seed extract kills Helicobakter Pylori in 14 days (Sarfatti, Dipertimento die Scienze Abientali, 2008)

I hate to break it (as so many people have put strong faith into this) but grapefruit seed extracts marketed as "antimicrobial" strongly appear to be a sham. Likely perpetrated by big agra to make money off waste product. All products tested by the American Botanical Council, marketed as grapefruit seed extract with amazing antimicrobial properties, has had powerful antimicrobial chemicals added - every one of them. It can likely be said that grapefruit seed extract itself has little or no such properties it is marketed for, otherwise the manufacturers would not need to adulterate the extract with these chemicals.

Source: https://drnibber.com/grapefruit-seed...blow-industry/

Anyway ... back to topic ...

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Hervé (here)
To help with the overall condition, here is a very old, but very good, no-nonsense book - if one can get one's hands on it - from the beginning of last century when Rockefeller's AMA wasn't yet fully consolidated:

"Health via Food" by William H. Hay.

PDF of "Health via Food" here: http://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/...020165.hay.pdf

I purchased the Kindle edition ‘Heath vs. Food,’ by William Howard Hay. There are over 60+ references for the importance of an alkaline environment in the book.

Some snippets:

“All these evidences indicate a system well saturated with acids, from deficiencies of the normal alkalin salts, and such a body is far below the normal, maybe far enough to impair greatly the mind or the disposition or to cripple any effort to think normally.”

“If disease is acid accumulation, and if age and death are also acid accumulations, then we can see a very definite relation between a normal alkalinity and youthfulness at any age, and a greatly deferred end-point, or death.”

“Gastric and duodenal ulcer disappear magically when the irritation of a too free hydrochloric acid is prevented, not by alkaline treatment but merely by ceasing to call out hydrochloric acid, through omission of all concentrated protein from the diet, even milk, and using only the acid fruits and the raw vegetable salads, or in the beginning the fruit juices and raw vegetable juices, till healing occurs.”

“Starches and sugars, the so-called carbohydrate group of foods, require alkalin conditions throughout for complete digestion without fermentation, acid introduced with these insuring arrest of digestion, when, in the presence of heat and moisture, an alcoholic fermentation sets in almost at once.”

“Every function of the body is carried on in an alkalin medium except the first step in the digestion of protein, which is an acid act, and occurs only in the stomach; and function is well proportioned to the degree of alkalinity, the higher this, within the normal limits, the more active and perfect will be function. For this reason Nature provides us with a very considerable alkalin reserve on which we draw for the neutralization of acids, and when we lower this alkalin reserve we interfere with normal function to this degree.”

[RunningDeer]

1) Along with diet, I use pHorever™ pHour Salts™ to keep the body alkaline.

“Remember the human body is alkaline by design and acidic by function. To maintain that healthy ageless alkaline design of your body use the pH miracle of pHour Salts. Young pHorever™ pHour Salts™ by Dr. Robert O. Young is the "ultimate" baking soda: A combination of four powerful carbonate salts (sodium bicarbonate, magnesium bicarbonate, potassium bicarbonate, and calcium bicarbonate).”

2) One more product that keeps the body alkaline is Bragg's Apple Cider vinegar.

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@ 1:29:20 - yeast and bacteria doesn’t cause disease. They are literally born out of cells when the cells are breaking down to a acidic environment. Bacteria is a transformation of human matter or plant matter or animal matter.

@ 1:30:00 - There are only two types of blood: healthy (alkaline) and unhealthy (acid, cancer, candida, etc). Change the blood, change the man. John had cancer and within 12 weeks it was gone. How? Not by treating it. Change the most important organ, the blood.

@ 1:53:00 - Unlike the circular healthy alkaline blood cells, the acidic blood cells stick together. What’s more, a change happens in the oxygen they carry. 20% vs. 100%. Translation? 80% of the oxygen is not going through out the body. 1/4 of your blood supply goes to your brain. Therefore, the brain is one of the first things to suffer in this acidic environment.

As the environment becomes more acid, the white blood cells (immunity) shrink and become inactive. So under the microscope the lab tech sees lots of white blood cells and give a thumbs up report. Never taking into account that they are inactive and shrunk.

“Healthy alkaline blood vs. unhealthy acidic blood”

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Acne in 30 days @ 1:32:09


Breast healed in seven weeks @ 1:44:41

[Jhonie]

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[RunningDeer]

In the early 90’s, I had reoccurring heartburn. I was tested and treated for H.pylori with antibiotics. Fortunately, one treatment took care of it. As for my sister-in-laws’ brother, he underwent surgery because the scaring was so bad.

After the doctor explained some of the ways you get it, I changed up a couple of things. I didn’t allow my animals to kiss me and I NEVER use the grocery carts or baskets. I brought my own. (This was before it was vogue.) After all these years, it still looks new.

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