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    Default Pentagon Paper's Ellsberg Supports Wiki

    Ellsberg: “EVERY attack now made on WikiLeaks and Julian Assange was made against me and the release of the Pentagon Papers at the time.”


    Quote WASHINGTON – December 7 – The following statement was released today, signed by Daniel Ellsberg, Frank Grevil, Katharine Gun, David MacMichael, Ray McGovern, Craig Murray, Coleen Rowley and Larry Wilkerson; all are associated with Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence.

    WikiLeaks has teased the genie of transparency out of a very opaque bottle, and powerful forces in America, who thrive on secrecy, are trying desperately to stuff the genie back in. The people listed below this release would be pleased to shed light on these exciting new developments.

    How far down the U.S. has slid can be seen, ironically enough, in a recent commentary in Pravda (that’s right, Russia’s Pravda): “What WikiLeaks has done is make people understand why so many Americans are politically apathetic … After all, the evils committed by those in power can be suffocating, and the sense of powerlessness that erupts can be paralyzing, especially when … government evildoers almost always get away with their crimes. …”
    More here, go on, its a good read...
    http://www.ellsberg.net/archive/publ...-press-release

    And it contains this apposite biblical reference:

    “There is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, nothing hidden that will not be made known. Everything you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight; what you have whispered in locked rooms will be proclaimed from the rooftops.”
    – Luke 12:2-3



    (Update: The article was written by Michael Ellsberg, not Daniel Ellsberg, but the article does quote Daniel)


    John..
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    So be it..........................................

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    Yes John, Ellsberg has been through it all before.


    Something else that i am waiting for is when some of the well respected and learned people of the world start to stand up and get behind JA and Wiki and what they mean which is transparency and freedom of speech.

    When and if they do they could well be putting their careers on the line.

    When some famous names and faces start supporting Wiki then it should certainly make a differnce in my opinion.

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    Quote in a recent commentary in Pravda (that’s right, Russia’s Pravda): “What WikiLeaks has done is make people understand why so many Americans are politically apathetic … After all, the evils committed by those in power can be suffocating, and the sense of powerlessness that erupts can be paralyzing, especially when … government evildoers almost always get away with their crimes. …”
    Well the russians would know about lies and deceit of people in postition of power. Thank you for this post, and I dont want to get too excited, but just maybeeeeeeeeeeeee...............

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    If everyone stood up there would be NOTHING that anyone could do. As they said in the old story about the Nazis, ......."and then they came for me"

    Witchy let's not get TOO enthused about Pravda............Russia is STILL an extremely repressive state and I imagine they are getting a kick out of kicking the US (albeit deservedly) in the you-know-what, especially with the disturbing leaks about the US trying to develop treaties and agreements with others against Russian interests outside NATO, a violation of NATO.
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    Quote Posted by ponda (here)
    Yes John, Ellsberg has been through it all before.


    Something else that i am waiting for is when some of the well respected and learned people of the world start to stand up and get behind JA and Wiki and what they mean which is transparency and freedom of speech.

    When and if they do they could well be putting their careers on the line.

    When some famous names and faces start supporting Wiki then it should certainly make a differnce in my opinion.
    I think that may have started.

    http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/...08/3087656.htm

    Quote Journalist and documentary filmmaker John Pilger is one of many high profile figures to come out in support of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, who has been refused bail in London on sexual assault charges...
    Or these people:
    Quote Dr Jeff Sparrow, author and editor
    Lizzie O’Shea, Social Justice Lawyer, Maurice Blackburn
    Professor Noam Chomsky, writer and academic
    Antony Loewenstein, journalist and author
    Mungo MacCallum, journalist and writer
    Professor Peter Singer, author and academic
    Adam Bandt, MP
    Senator Bob Brown
    Senator Scott Ludlam
    Julian Burnside QC, barrister
    Jeff Lawrence, Secretary, Australian Council of Trade Unions
    Professor Raimond Gaita, author and academic
    Rob Stary, lawyer
    Lieutenant Colonel (ret) Lance Collins, Australian Intelligence Corps, writer
    The Hon Alastair Nicholson AO RFD QC
    Brian Walters SC, barrister
    Professor Larissa Behrendt, academic
    Emeritus Professor Stuart Rees, academic, Sydney Peace Foundation
    Mary Kostakidis, Chair, Sydney Peace Foundation
    Professor Wendy Bacon, journalist
    Christos Tsiolkas, author
    James Bradley, author and journalist
    Julian Morrow, comedian and television producer
    Louise Swinn, publisher
    Helen Garner, novelist
    Professor Dennis Altman, writer and academic
    Dr Leslie Cannold, author, ethicist, commentator
    John Birmingham, writer
    Guy Rundle, writer
    Alex Miller, writer
    Sophie Cunningham, editor and author
    Castan Centre for Human Rights Law
    Professor Judith Brett, author and academic
    Stephen Keim SC, President of Australian Lawyers for Human Rights
    Phil Lynch, Executive Director, Human Rights Law Resource Centre
    Sylvia Hale, MLC
    Sophie Black, editor
    David Ritter, lawyer and historian
    Dr Scott Burchill, writer and academic
    Dr Mark Davis, author and academic
    Henry Rosenbloom, publisher
    Ben Naparstek, editor
    Chris Feik, editor
    Louise Swinn, publisher
    Stephen Warne, barrister
    Dr John Dwyer QC
    Hilary McPhee, writer, publisher
    Joan Dwyer OAM
    Greg Barns, barrister
    James Button, journalist
    Owen Richardson, critic
    Michelle Griffin, editor
    John Timlin, literary Agent & producer
    Ann Cunningham, lawyer and publisher
    Alison Croggon, author, critic
    Daniel Keene, playwright
    Dr Nick Shimmin, editor/writer
    Bill O'Shea, lawyer, former President, Law Institute of Victoria
    Dianne Otto, Professor of Law, Melbourne Law School
    Professor Frank Hutchinson,Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies (CPACS), University of Sydney
    Anthony Georgeff, editor
    Max Gillies, actor
    Shane Maloney, writer
    Louis Armand, author and publisher
    Jenna Price, academic and journalist
    Tanja Kovac, National Cooordinator EMILY's List Australia
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    Dr Justin Clemens, writer and academic
    Susan Morairty, Lawyer
    David Hirsch, Barrister
    Cr Anne O’Shea
    Kathryn Crosby, Candidates Online
    Dr Robert Sparrow, academic
    Jennifer Mills, author
    Foong Ling Kong, editor
    Tim Norton, Online Campaigns Co-ordinator, Oxfam Australia
    Elisabeth Wynhausen, writer
    Ben Slade, Lawyer
    Nikki Anderson, publisher
    Dan Cass
    Professor Diane Bell, author and academic
    Dr Philipa Rothfield, academic
    Gary Cazalet, academic
    Dr David Coady, academic
    Dr Matthew Sharpe, writer and academic
    Dr Tamas Pataki, writer and academic
    Miska Mandic
    Associate Professor Jake Lynch, academic
    Professor Simon During, academic
    Michael Brull, writer
    Dr Geoff Boucher, academic
    Jacinda Woodhead, writer and editor
    Dr Rjurik Davidson, writer and editor
    Mic Looby, writer
    Jane Gleeson-White, writer and editor
    Alex Skutenko, editor
    Associate Professor John Collins, academic
    Professor Philip Pettit, academic
    Dr Christopher Scanlon, writer and academic
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    Johannes Jakob, editor
    Sunili Govinnage, lawyer
    Michael Bates, lawyer
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    Bryce Ives, theatre director
    Sarah Darmody, writer
    Jill Sparrow, writer
    Lyn Bender, psychologist
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    Dr Ellie Rennie, President, Engage Media
    Ryan Paine, editor
    Simon Cooper, editor
    Chris Haan, lawyer
    Carmela Baranowska, journalist.
    Clinton Ellicott, publisher
    Dr Charles Richardson, writer and academic
    Phillip Frazer, publisher
    Geoff Lemon, journalist
    Jaya Savige, poet and editor
    Johannes Jakob, editor
    Kate Bree Geyer; journalist
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    Kristen Obaid
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    Robert Sinnerbrink
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    Who signed an open letter to the Australian Prime minister http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/41914.html

    And the people that offered to put up money when he was trying to get bail

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ion-fight.html

    Quote Geoffrey Robertson QC, a prominent Australian human rights barrister who was a defending lawyer at the Brighton Bombing trial in the mid 1980s, has reportedly agreed to act for Mr Assange in future hearings.
    I think the tide started to turn on the day all this went down, when Julian Assange voluntarily turned himself in, thus showing he was not running, just waiting for due process, and also demonstrating good faith and that he probably would not go on the run (he is not fickin stupid), yet he was refused bail. That single thing shows how corrupt this all is.
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    I am so in awe of you Australians! What an example you are providing (if only the fascist media would report these things) of how a responsible engaged citizenry should react to injustice! And if the reports are true that 90% of the people polled are in support of J.A. - that certainly is in stark contrast to the spineless throw-the-treasonous-bastard-under-the-trolley perpetuated here in the good olde USA! People here have been so conditioned to the love-it-or-leave-it mentality that it is almost like the Pavolian Dog salivating!! GOOD FOR THE AUSTRALIANS!!

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    Yes it sure is heartening to see some influential people get their names on that letter.

    It has taken a while but it seems that the masses are stirring.There have been some large protests recently against austerity measures in Italy,Portugal and i think the UK and Ireland as well.Things are starting to get interesting.

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    If only people in the US understood that it is in their interests to get engaged - problem is everyone is literally being worked to death or they are sick or elderly

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    Quote Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
    If only people in the US understood that it is in their interests to get engaged - problem is everyone is literally being worked to death or they are sick or elderly
    Don't give up hope. I certainly feel things are turning.
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    John I hope you are right. Sometimes I do get a little sad.

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