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    It isn't a Tibetan symbol. They use it, so do the hindus, but they did not originate it, so the Tibetan meaning isn't relevant for the NSDAP.
    That is why I suggested that you go find out what those other names for the same thing mean.
    Is this the definition you are using?

    From Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

    The word swastika came from the Sanskrit word svastika, meaning any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote good luck. It is composed of su- meaning "good, well" and asti "to be" svasti thus means "well-being." The suffix -ka either forms a diminutive or intensifies the verbal meaning, and svastika might thus be translated literally as "that which is associated with well-being," corresponding to "lucky charm" or "thing that is auspicious."[1] The word in this sense is first used in the Harivamsa.[2] As noted by Monier-Williams in his Sanskrit-English dictionary, according to Alexander Cunningham, its shape represents a monogram formed by interlacing of the letters of the auspicious words su-astí (svasti) written in Ashokan characters
    There ya go, someone found the REAL meaning, the lucky symbol.
    And the way it is on the flag, it is in motion, meaning perpetual good luck.

    Now all we have to find is what the colours red, white and black are for.
    And they aren't used as the traditional Prussian colours either.
    I found this and not much else of value on colors and their meaning. I attempted to source someplace other than Wiki all I found was a lot of decorating advice.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
    Quote In his 1925 work Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote that:

    I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika.

    When Hitler created a flag for the Nazi Party, he sought to incorporate both the swastika and "those revered colors expressive of our homage to the glorious past and which once brought so much honor to the German nation." (Red, white, and black were the colors of the flag of the old German Empire.) He also stated: "As National Socialists, we see our program in our flag. In red, we see the social idea of the movement; in white, the nationalistic idea; in the swastika, the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work
    I have a feeling that there is more to the story than what is quoted here. If so I need a point in the right direction.

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    "If David Icke is 100% genuine, why does he change his view so much in his later videos as compared with the earlier ones in David Icke Debunked? I agree Chris White is a bible basher, but still, a video interview is a time record."

    When the facts change you can do do one of two things:

    (1) You can adjust your opinion;
    (2) You can be stubborn and bury your head in the sand.

    Which one are you?
    "A fool can learn from his own experiences; the wise learn from the experience of others." - Democritus, 460-370 B.C.

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    I found this and not much else of value on colors and their meaning. I attempted to source someplace other than Wiki all I found was a lot of decorating advice.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
    Quote In his 1925 work Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote that:

    I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika.

    When Hitler created a flag for the Nazi Party, he sought to incorporate both the swastika and "those revered colors expressive of our homage to the glorious past and which once brought so much honor to the German nation." (Red, white, and black were the colors of the flag of the old German Empire.) He also stated: "As National Socialists, we see our program in our flag. In red, we see the social idea of the movement; in white, the nationalistic idea; in the swastika, the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work
    I have a feeling that there is more to the story than what is quoted here. If so I need a point in the right direction.
    Go a long way back, think of ancient Egypt and Atlantis.

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    I wonder if anyone follows the reasoning on The Mayan calendar and particularly the approach to the Galactic Center. Have these theories been thoroughly debunked?
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    I found this and not much else of value on colors and their meaning. I attempted to source someplace other than Wiki all I found was a lot of decorating advice.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
    Quote In his 1925 work Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote that:

    I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika.

    When Hitler created a flag for the Nazi Party, he sought to incorporate both the swastika and "those revered colors expressive of our homage to the glorious past and which once brought so much honor to the German nation." (Red, white, and black were the colors of the flag of the old German Empire.) He also stated: "As National Socialists, we see our program in our flag. In red, we see the social idea of the movement; in white, the nationalistic idea; in the swastika, the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work
    I have a feeling that there is more to the story than what is quoted here. If so I need a point in the right direction.
    Go a long way back, think of ancient Egypt and Atlantis.
    Well Lord Sideous .....what an interesting ride this has been. I'm still not sure I have the answer you are looking for. We will know soon enough.

    In Egyptian point of view Red and Black seem to have dual meaning.

    White seems to be defined consistently on the different web sites that I checked.

    Red was color of life and of victory. Also was related to anger fire and rage.

    Quote http://www.egyptianmyths.net/colors.htm

    Red (desher) was the color of life and of victory. During celebrations, ancient Egyptians would paint their bodies with red ochre and would wear amulets made of cornelian, a deep red stone. Seth, the god who stood at the prow of the sun's barque and slew the serpent Apep daily, had red eyes and hair.

    Red was also a symbol of anger and fire. A person who acted "with a red heart" was filled with rage. "To redden" meant "to die". Seth while the god of victory over Apep, was also the evil murderer of his brother Osiris. His red coloration could take on the meaning of evil or victory depending on the context in which he is portrayed. Red was commonly used to symbolize the fiery nature of the radiant sun and serpent amulets representing the "Eye of Re" (the fiery, protective, and possibly malevolent aspect of the sun) were made of red stones.

    The normal skin tone of Egyptian men was depicted as red, without any negative connotation.

    Red paint was created by Egyptian artisans by using naturally oxidized iron and red och
    White = purity

    Quote The color white (hedj and shesep) suggested omnipotence and purity. Due to its lack of color white was also the color of simple and sacred things. The name of the holy city of Memphis meant "White Walls." White sandals were worn at holy ceremonies. The material most commonly used for ritual objects such as small ceremonial bowls and even the embalming table for the Apis Bulls in Memphis was white alabaster. White was also the heraldic color of Upper Egypt. The "Nefer", the crown of Upper Egypt was white, even though originally is was probably made of green reeds.

    The pure white color used in Egyptian art was created from chalk and gypsum
    Quote Black was symbol of death and also the symbol of resurection.

    In ancient Egypt, black (kem) was a symbol of death and of the night. Osiris, the king of the afterlife was called "the black one." One of the few real-life people to be deified, Queen Ahmose-Nefertari was the patroness of the necropolis. She was usually portrayed with black skin, although she was not a negro. Anubis, the god of embalming was shown as a black jackal or dog, even though real jackals and dogs are typically brown.

    As black symbolized death it was also a natural symbol of the underworld and so also of resurrection. Unexpectedly perhaps, it could also be symbolic of fertility and even life! The association with life and fertility is likely due to the abundance provided by the dark, black silt of the annually flooding Nile. The color of the silt became emblematic of Egypt itself and the country was called "kemet" (the Black Land) by its people from early antiquity.

    Black pigments were created from carbon compounds such as soot, ground charcoal or burnt animal bones
    The Atlantis info falls into 2 category's .

    The colors Red, Black,and ,White are the building blocks of Atlantis. The soil and minerals comprised of these colors.

    The inhabitants were of these three colors. (some add the color yellow)

    I have not been able to connect the dots on how this was used or viewed in 1900's Germany.

    A link for people far smarter than myself that I found interesting was one a string theory page linking Black White Red and the strings that connect the swastika to Atlantis.

    http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/201...a-to-atlantis/

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    Sounds like Chris White is the one who needs debunking.

    This video does no discredit to David Icke, it only discredits Chris White.

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    On that link you provided, I found some very interesting info.

    Quote 10,000 B.C. is the EARLIEST swastika on record traced to the Ukraine.
    On another thread, I mentioned that the place we seem to have been seeded is this exact area.
    It would appear that we ''arrived'' with this symbol and took it to India and other places on our journeys.

    What I would hope you got from reading that source is that on the symbol alone, there is more to the use of it by the NSDAP than is commonly realised.
    Eventually, you will see there is more to them overall as well.
    But that is for another day.

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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    On that link you provided, I found some very interesting info.

    Quote 10,000 B.C. is the EARLIEST swastika on record traced to the Ukraine.
    On another thread, I mentioned that the place we seem to have been seeded is this exact area.
    It would appear that we ''arrived'' with this symbol and took it to India and other places on our journeys.

    What I would hope you got from reading that source is that on the symbol alone, there is more to the use of it by the NSDAP than is commonly realised.
    Eventually, you will see there is more to them overall as well.
    But that is for another day.
    I found this this thread about the pyramids in Bosnia. I think it relates to your ideas on seeding. Great thread either way.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...bosnia+pyramid

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    Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)
    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    On that link you provided, I found some very interesting info.

    Quote 10,000 B.C. is the EARLIEST swastika on record traced to the Ukraine.
    On another thread, I mentioned that the place we seem to have been seeded is this exact area.
    It would appear that we ''arrived'' with this symbol and took it to India and other places on our journeys.

    What I would hope you got from reading that source is that on the symbol alone, there is more to the use of it by the NSDAP than is commonly realised.
    Eventually, you will see there is more to them overall as well.
    But that is for another day.
    I found this this thread about the pyramids in Bosnia. I think it relates to your ideas on seeding. Great thread either way.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...bosnia+pyramid
    Yeah, that is another thread that is a fascinating read.
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    one of my favorite things jesus said was " a camel will pass through an eye of a needle before a rich man enters heaven " and david icke is doing good with the information thats getting to people, he's waking alot of people up. the guy is amazing.
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    I was researching a different topic and came across this article by John Taylor Gatto.

    He is speaking about a link to England, Germany, Italy and the Baltic to India and Sanskrit.
    This is part of a larger article linked here. http://www.lewrockwell.com/gatto/gatto-uhae-12.html
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    Your Family Tree

    In 1896, Latin and Slavic immigration exceeded in body count for the first time the numbers arriving from the ancient lands of the Anglo-Saxons. In certain circles that was deemed a catastrophe second only to the Deluge. This moment had been anticipated for years, of course, and protections for good blood, or "the gene pool" as some preferred to call it, were popping like corn in the form of exclusionary associations you've seen and others like them. This was defensive. But other implements of war were being fashioned, weapons of offensive capability, social engines like modern factory schools, standing armies, social work empires designed to remake incoming aliens into shapes more agreeable to the spirit of the "Great Race," a term I'll explain in a moment. This machinery was grinding out "Americanized" Americans by 1913, just sixty-two years after the Know-Nothing Party of Massachusetts invented the term.

    New hereditary societies took a leading hand in Americanization. So did important monied interests. Chicago financial power got the Children's Court idea rolling at the beginning of the twentieth century, just as Boston railroad, mining, and real estate interests had initiated the compulsion school idea in the nineteenth. The Children's Court institution was nationalized rapidly, a most effective intimidation to use against uncooperative immigrants. Such courts soon displayed a valuable second side, supplying children to the childless of the politically better-connected sort with few questions asked. The similarity of this transfer function to the historic "Baby Trains" of Charles Loring Brace's "Children's Aid Society" fifty years earlier wasn't lost on the new breed of social engineer graduating from the right colleges in 1900.

    These new activist graduates, trained in the Chicago school of sociology and its anthropological variants by Ross, Cooley, Boas, and other seminal figures, had little sentimentality about individual destinies or family sovereignty either. All thought in terms of the collective improvement of society by long-range evolution. In the short run all were environmental determinists who believed protoplasm was wonderfully malleable, if not entirely empty.

    In 1898 the D.A.R., best known of all hereditarian societies, began issuing scientifically designed propaganda lectures on American history and government. By 1904, the Society of Colonial Dames was preparing school curriculum. In the same year, the Sons of the American Revolution distributed millions of pieces of historical interpretation to schools, all paid for by the U.S. Department of Commerce. The Social Register, founded 1887, quickly became a useful index for the new associational aristocracy, bearing witness to those who could be trusted with the exciting work underway. Tiffany's started a genealogy department in 1875 to catch the first business from elites made edgy by The Descent of Man and, as the century ended, genealogical reference books — the Gore Roll, Boston's American Armoury and Blue Book, and more — came tumbling off the assembly line to assist Anglo-Saxons in finding each other.

    As late as 1929, even with Mein Kampf in bookstalls telling the story of Aryans past and present, David Starr Jordan, president of Stanford, published his own guide to good blood, Your Family Tree. It provided in painstaking detail the descent of America's new industrial aristocracy, from monarchs of great Aryan houses. Abe Lincoln, Grover Cleveland, and John D. Rockefeller, said Jordan, came out of the house of Henry I of France; Ulysses S. Grant was in a line from William the Conqueror; Coolidge and Shakespeare descended from Charlemagne. William Howard Taft, J.P. Morgan, and Jordan himself from King David of Scotland! So it went.4 Was this all just simple amusement or did the game have some implications for the rest of us not so blue-blooded? Who were these fabulous Aryans the scholars were talking about? What was this "Great Race"? The answers were to prove both fabulous and chilling.

    The Fatal Sound Shift

    During the sixteenth century, a studious Italian merchant living in India pointed out to his wealthy friends some striking similarities between ancient Sanskrit and Italian: deva/dio for God, sarpa/serpe for snake, etc. All the Sanskrit numbers seemed related to the numbers of Italian. What could this mean? This early intuition came and went without much of a stir.

    Then in 1786, during the early British occupation of India, the subject was addressed anew. In his speech to the Bengal-Oriental Society that year, Sir William Jones announced he believed a family connection existed between Sanskrit and English. It was tantamount to the University of Rome splitting the atom. Sir William declared Latin, Greek, and Sanskrit sprang "from some common source which perhaps no longer exists." Among English and Sanskrit he showed evidence for "a stronger affinity than could possibly have been produced by accident."

    What common source might be the parent of Western civilization? Jones could not say, but only thirteen years later Sharon Turner's two-volume work, The History of the Anglo-Saxons, claimed to provide clues. There, replete with thousands of illustrations, was a record of Angles, Saxons, and Jutes out of ancient Germania as it had been preserved in song and story, Beowulf raised to a haunting power. Hundreds of cognates between modern English custom and ancient prototypes had been tracked by Turner; there seemed to be a stirring continuity between what Tacitus said about Germania and what upper-class English/American eyes saw when they looked into their modern mirrors.

    The favorite occupations in antiquity were war, the chase, rough and tumble sports, wenching, and drinking, not unlike the preferences of contemporary Englishmen. When not thus engaged, men often lay idly about leaving all work for women to do. Gambling was common and every free man was expected to bear arms. Could the English be the mighty Aryans of prehistory?

    In 1808, Karl Wilhelm Frederick von Schlegel, founder and editor of the Athenaeum, chief voice of German romanticism, wrote a scientific study of Sanskrit which maintained that the languages of India, Persia, Greece, Germany, Italy, and England were connected by common descent from an extinct tongue. Schlegel proposed the name Indo-Germanic for the vanished dialect. We are forced, he said, to believe all these widely separate nations are descendants of a single primitive people's influence. Oddly enough, Schlegel learned Sanskrit himself at the hands of Alexander Hamilton, his close friend and a close friend to the Prussian government. Schlegel was highly esteemed by both Hamilton and the Prussia regime.

    To put yourself in touch with this exciting moment in recent history requires only a visit to a neighborhood library. The language and customs of this ancient Aryan people are caught in Vedic literature — the story of an invading people who forced themselves on the Indian subcontinent. As Americans had forced themselves on North American natives, a resonant parallel. Aryan literature was exclusively a literature of battle and unyielding hostility, the Vedas stirring hymns of a people surrounded by strangers alien in race and religion.

    There could be no peace with such strangers; their destruction was a duty owed to God. Full of vigor, the Vedas breathe the attitudes of an invading race bent on conquest, a cultural prescription with which to meet the challenges of modern times. If only a way could be found to link this warrior people with the elites of England and America.

    In 1816, the brilliant young Danish scholar Rasmus Rask not only accepted the relationship of Germanic, Hellenic, Italic, Baltic, and Indo-Iranian, but went further and found the missing connection. Rask had seen something no one else had noticed: between some Germanic streams of language and the others a regular sound-shift had occurred transforming the sounds of B, D, and G into those of P, T, and K. It meant an absolute identification could be established between England and ancient Germania. Rask wasn't prominent enough to promote this theory very far, but the man who stole it from him was — Jacob Grimm of fairy-tale fame. In the second edition of Deutsche Grammatik (1822), Grimm claimed the sound shift discovery which to this day is called "Grimm's Law." Salons on both sides of the Atlantic buzzed with the exciting
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    Quote (Mobius, post #162) "If David Icke is 100% genuine, why does he change his view so much in his later videos as compared with the earlier ones in David Icke Debunked? I agree Chris White is a bible basher, but still, a video interview is a time record."

    When the facts change you can do do one of two things:

    (1) You can adjust your opinion;
    (2) You can be stubborn and bury your head in the sand.

    Which one are you?
    A good point. Anyone can adjust their opinion, but it takes guts to admit that you have done so.
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    Nobody's got the whole truth! David has a lot! The guy is amazing! His message is not just gloom and doom but it gives you answers that will help you get to the next level. PTB don't want you to understand this information because it is VITAL to your survival! I would say between David's information and the information in the Cassiopaea Transscripts you would have everything you need to understand and make the right moves. This is just my opinion for what I have learn over many years and connecting dots.

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    Icke I believe is an "unwitting" disinfo agent. He naively accepts the words of actual disinfo agents who know their job and are part of a skillful team. They know how he operates so they make it easy for him to cross reference his information by setting him up. They've led him to the people that THEY need to validate the disinformation he's researching. Credo Matwa is a good example, no doubt Credo has been disinfo'd too they've got to him in other more sinister ways too.
    I'm afraid Alex was correct, they threw a turd into David's punch bowl of truth but instead of speaking out and admitting he was wrong about the Reptilian stuff, David just powers onwards as if non of it happened. Not good, not good at all because we lose people's hearts, they just switch off and go back to sleep. What a shame.

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    Hi everybody!

    I've watched the Icke's video. There are a lot of people who are not able to accept another kind of thinking, overall, theses whom their religious education represents the base of their entire life. I think that watching all those "awakening-videos´, they may think that we are the devil itself.

    The arguments, which are presented in this video are not convincing at all. The theosophical-ground-ideas of Founder Madame Blavatsky are distorted by Alice Bailey. Don't forget, that Blavatsky was accused of fraud by the Christian College Magazine (Alexis and Emma Coulomb); magazine, which had no interest in revealing kind of information (esoteric, occultism). I don't know which path Alice Bailey chose, but if the video's information is right, I can say, that she was very far from Blavatsky´s Doctrine. I recommend very much Blavatsky´s books: The Secret Doctrine (1888) and Isis unveiled (1877). They have a lot of interesting passages, which make you think that she was right about many concepts.
    Mahatma Ghandi and Alexander Scriabin were two celebrities, who were firstly influenced by Blavatsky, following afterwards both different paths in order to develop their own thoughts.

    - To think that David Icke is a Theosophist doesn't make sense.

    - To think that there is interest from certain religious groups to debunk people, who are doing great work in awaking humanity, makes more sense.

    To conclude, I would like to add that I think it is very important to give an opportunity to these people, who have done and are doing amazing work for all of us, to express and discover the truth, without doubting from the beginning what they are saying. Sometimes, in order to discover the real truth, one should look also from the other side.

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    oooooohhh. isnt this those guys that go after zeitgeist and new age stuff?

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    Default Re: David Icke Debunked (Full Movie)

    Quote Posted by felixq78 (here)
    Icke I believe is an "unwitting" disinfo agent. He naively accepts the words of actual disinfo agents who know their job and are part of a skillful team. They know how he operates so they make it easy for him to cross reference his information by setting him up. They've led him to the people that THEY need to validate the disinformation he's researching. Credo Matwa is a good example, no doubt Credo has been disinfo'd too they've got to him in other more sinister ways too.
    I'm afraid Alex was correct, they threw a turd into David's punch bowl of truth but instead of speaking out and admitting he was wrong about the Reptilian stuff, David just powers onwards as if non of it happened. Not good, not good at all because we lose people's hearts, they just switch off and go back to sleep. What a shame.
    So true, so true - a wonderful assessment !

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    Default Re: David Icke Debunked (Full Movie)

    I think a lot of the criticism towards chris white in this long ago thread is more out of a fondness for david icke. (not all of it..but A LOT OF IT) Chris white does an excellent job showing us why he believes what he does. His work is great for consideration. one should always know WHY THEY DISAGREE. as in... THE REASON WHY THEY DISAGREE. as in a basis for the disagreement..am I making myself clear here lol... too many folks are quick to cast hate at anyone who says "your hero is wrong". Chris white doesn't want people to be deceived by what he sees as a liar.. I get that.. I don't agree with the (end) reason(s) he feels he needs to debunk icke, but that doesn't mean that icke is right and white is wrong. lol this post is older then the dirt stuck to my shoe.. I just wanted to give the thread a bump to say my sayins on it.

    we can see where he is in error with his reasoning, it does not mean that we have to bash his work. The man makes a few valid points. as does mr icke. there I said it.

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    Default Re: David Icke Debunked (Full Movie)

    Quote Posted by Steven (here)
    Anyway, the guy isn't interested in the truth, but rather defending his belief system.
    Spot on and so often the case. It's pathetic and painfully transparent...

    To go out of your way to try to discredit someone simply because they don't fit into your belief system is a rather poisonous pastime.
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