The Mandela Effect: What does it mean??

[sunwings]

martyr
ˈmɑːtə/Submit
noun
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr"
verb
1.
kill (someone) because of their beliefs.
"she was martyred for her faith"
synonyms: put to death, kill, make a martyr of, martyrize; More

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OARUho7zGdk

(starts at 11:30)

Here is Bill Cooper talking about Nelson Mandela in 1996, being a Martyr for the black movement in South Africa.

[sunwings]

How many people died on the Titanic? 1500? well nobody actually, researchers have come across some (bleed through) articles of another timeline where the Titanic did not sink, nobody died and the ship was towed back to port to be repaired. Very bizarre indeed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ysIJOlEsW-4

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

While the ship was sinking, and for as long as the equipment held out, communications were restricted to SOS signals with nearby ships, and to White Star itself. White Star did sit on the disaster well into the morning, refusing to give any statements. But it came out soon after that they knew very well - all the ships Titanic communicated with also knew, long, long before the story official broke.

To White Star, the loss was so incalculable they were quite literally paralysed by it. There have also been reports of an attempt to partially cover it up - or at least postpone an official announcement. There was even an enquiry by the US Justice Department of the matter, and one conclusion was they wanted it kept secret until the stock market closed. (typical capitalists).

The prosaic reality is that news outlets had literally nothing to run with on the morning of the disaster, except for chatter and rumours (of a very incomplete picture) gathered by amateur wireless operators dotted along the eastern seaboard. So that is what they did: run with it. It's all very well known, and very well-documented. Other universes? I'm afraid not.

Remember the confusion of 9/11? For a while, there were reports of another hijacked plane, a Delta, which they were very worried about, and there was speculation it was on its way to Chicago (to crash into the Sears tower or some such). Even in this modern era of telecommunications, there are muddles and mix-ups and false reports. Nothing to do with other timelines. That's all this was 100+ years ago.

If the so-called 'researcher' hosting this vid had done less than one minute actual research, well...he wouldn't have a had a vid at all. This whole thing was very very poor.

[sunwings]

Thanks Star mariner, my initial thoughts were of a delay in passing down the real news to the public. I will strike it from the list!

[DNA]

My wife pointed this one out to me. Apparently a woman was surprised to see the CHASE bank sign and logo in white, she was used to it being in blue, so am I, I used to work for CHASE and I saw that sign everyday while I worked there. This specific effect has a different spin to it. The woman claims that seeing the words in white messed with her so much that she photographed it several times. She then began to look on in awe as her photos began to change in front of her day by day from white to grey to black. She videos this as she is experiencing it.

Now I'm no Mandela Effect expert, nor any kind of temporal aficionado but why would her pictures of the sign slowly morph A-lah back to the future's Marty MCfly's photo of his family and the video she now has "not eventually morph" as well.
Regardless my wife found this quite compelling and I present this for your consideration.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AU0nZv7R56s

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Is not the most likely explanation a trick of the light? If the sign is made from a reflective material, like some high-gloss plastic, or even aluminium, then it will appear light or dark depending the angle of view and the position of the sun.

The properties of the material may even give the appearance of a different colour from one minute to the next; I've seen paint jobs on many cars like that, where the 'hue' appears to vary depending on light levels and angles of perspective.

[DNA]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
Is not the most likely explanation a trick of the light? If the sign is made from a reflective material, like some high-gloss plastic, or even aluminium, then it will appear light or dark depending the angle of view and the position of the sun.

The properties of the material may even give the appearance of a different colour from one minute to the next; I've seen paint jobs on many cars like that, where the 'hue' appears to vary depending on light levels and angles of perspective.

You have a good point here for the video's point of witnessing a slow change. But I will personally attest that I remember the lettering in blue and not the current black.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

A lot of signage is backlit -especially banks - so visible after dark (as below). It could be that. The sign could be programmable for multiple colours as well. Just saying...

I've looked at a lot of mandela effect stories, and yes, there are good number of...oddities out there, but many more that are quite open to mundane interpretations.

(note the multi-toned logo)

[DNA]

Good point Star Mariner with the back lighting. Very good point, thank you.

[sunwings]

Life *was* like a box of chocolates just got out 41,926 people on HQ trivia

Sorry it is zoomed in so much, but you get the idea, 5 out of every 6 people thought it was IS and not WAS.

[Valerie Villars]

In reading Wes Penre's excellent summation above, the key thing to remember is to remain unpredictable, at all costs. Do not allow anyone to tell you what is real or true or any other thing.

Unpredictability is a major key to our remaining sovereign, no matter what "they" do. It can be done, in the face of all odds seemingly against one. If I'm going to go down, I'm going down with my own heart and mind intact, in alignment with truth which transcends any and all agendas.

We can absolutely do this.

[Bob]

Hi Val - some things have been lain in pretty strongly on the predictability program..

Thoughts :

having gone to kindergarten, first official schooling programs lain in, belief of abnormal action is acceptable (books about talking animals, out-of-normal characteristics of "reality" taught and accepted as not only real, but a gold star given for accepting the program rapidly and completely

same as the above with deeper concepts of "reality" being established as "normal" (grade school indoctrinations) through movies, books, in the more recent years, kids are offered talking monster characters who teach them behavior which is acceptable - "students" now instead of individuals are taught to accept labels, watch the clock, move from room to room on command, alpha mentality is taught, worshipping the perceived "alpha", to accept cliques as the norm

higher education programming, the lead "prof" instructs the "students" what is acceptable "thought", compliance and good rote memory allows for "higher grades" - "students" are taught to perform under pressure, to beat the clock, to listen to the "teacher" or "fail", and be considered worthless.

military - "students" are "broken down" taught through psychological torture, they are "nothing" maggots, etc. One may understand one is "PROPERTY" with no rights than a piece of property has or one may not . Although the current psychology promo'd to today's military is not to "break" the mind and soul of the "students", it never-the-less is the same, with a higher hook/stick/carrot.

When the "student" gets out of whatever predictability program each set of patterns is lain in there pretty deep.

If the "student" has had the misfortune to be part of the MK programs, the "predictability" is almost impossible to escape from. (Modern erasure methods of all things developed by psych commands developed the use of LSD and other psychotropic hallucinogens which can radically alter "programming" for better or worse..)

Anyone skilled in understanding the programming can then "push the buttons" on the "student" (no matter what age they are) and get a relatively certain reaction - predictability in other words..

One would have to go back pretty early to "deprogram", about age 5 seems to be the right window to start to analyze each and every "belief", (talking animals especially are an amazing induction tool, or talking "fairies" (big one with those with self esteem issues), and find the moment such happened, find one's mind where one was wanting to "best" something such as "i need to be able to learn _______ (and can't), and then see what "reward" one accepted for that behavior.. Finding the earliest times that happened, one will start to realize how to let go of the programming and not be the affect of it any more.

Wes was saying don't accept what one was "taught" - my point is one has been taught a long time ago, and has never ever really questioned when one knows they get the "gold star" (or green or red or blue star) or other reward system from the "teacher" for proper accepted programmed behavior.. (that reward in later years can be a paycheck, a house, car, etc..) Even in the military that reward system exists - talk about a General with guess what, a STAR on the shoulder straps..

The above is a very very small generalization of the depth of the programming. MSM plays on the deep programming as well.. Biting the head of MSM is a bit of a mis-direction really, but that in itself is a programmed reaction (find the scapegoat in other words).. When one looks deep, at the point of body survival that touches the first accepted program instructions.. Then when the mind and ego starts to develop, when personality develops, beliefs shape how one accepts or doesn't the "teaching"..

It can be done, getting one's real life back.. It takes digging and understanding what programming is, and how if at all, one rebelled only to be given "another" program (the "rebel" forces clique), where one is predictable through there.. (with the attitude too which goes with it, 'nya nya, can't touch me..').. We are not "free" as spirits as long as we are operating on a program..

re: with the title of the thread - each subject can be part of a lain in program, designed to create a disbelief of one's senses, or a disbelief of one's ability to OBSERVE "AS THINGS REALLY ARE"..

[gord]

Do remember that intel agencies have had the ability to produce all sorts of fake documents for a very long time.

[Valerie Villars]

Posted by Bob (here)
Hi Val - some things have been lain in pretty strongly on the predictability program..

Thoughts :

having gone to kindergarten, first official schooling programs lain in, belief of abnormal action is acceptable (books about talking animals, out-of-normal characteristics of "reality" taught and accepted as not only real, but a gold star given for accepting the program rapidly and completely

same as the above with deeper concepts of "reality" being established as "normal" (grade school indoctrinations) through movies, books, in the more recent years, kids are offered talking monster characters who teach them behavior which is acceptable - "students" now instead of individuals are taught to accept labels, watch the clock, move from room to room on command, alpha mentality is taught, worshipping the perceived "alpha", to accept cliques as the norm

higher education programming, the lead "prof" instructs the "students" what is acceptable "thought", compliance and good rote memory allows for "higher grades" - "students" are taught to perform under pressure, to beat the clock, to listen to the "teacher" or "fail", and be considered worthless.

military - "students" are "broken down" taught through psychological torture, they are "nothing" maggots, etc. One may understand one is "PROPERTY" with no rights than a piece of property has or one may not . Although the current psychology promo'd to today's military is not to "break" the mind and soul of the "students", it never-the-less is the same, with a higher hook/stick/carrot.

When the "student" gets out of whatever predictability program each set of patterns is lain in there pretty deep.

If the "student" has had the misfortune to be part of the MK programs, the "predictability" is almost impossible to escape from. (Modern erasure methods of all things developed by psych commands developed the use of LSD and other psychotropic hallucinogens which can radically alter "programming" for better or worse..)

Anyone skilled in understanding the programming can then "push the buttons" on the "student" (no matter what age they are) and get a relatively certain reaction - predictability in other words..

One would have to go back pretty early to "deprogram", about age 5 seems to be the right window to start to analyze each and every "belief", (talking animals especially are an amazing induction tool, or talking "fairies" (big one with those with self esteem issues), and find the moment such happened, find one's mind where one was wanting to "best" something such as "i need to be able to learn _______ (and can't), and then see what "reward" one accepted for that behavior.. Finding the earliest times that happened, one will start to realize how to let go of the programming and not be the affect of it any more.

Wes was saying don't accept what one was "taught" - my point is one has been taught a long time ago, and has never ever really questioned when one knows they get the "gold star" (or green or red or blue star) or other reward system from the "teacher" for proper accepted programmed behavior.. (that reward in later years can be a paycheck, a house, car, etc..) Even in the military that reward system exists - talk about a General with guess what, a STAR on the shoulder straps..

The above is a very very small generalization of the depth of the programming. MSM plays on the deep programming as well.. Biting the head of MSM is a bit of a mis-direction really, but that in itself is a programmed reaction (find the scapegoat in other words).. When one looks deep, at the point of body survival that touches the first accepted program instructions.. Then when the mind and ego starts to develop, when personality develops, beliefs shape how one accepts or doesn't the "teaching"..

It can be done, getting one's real life back.. It takes digging and understanding what programming is, and how if at all, one rebelled only to be given "another" program (the "rebel" forces clique), where one is predictable through there.. (with the attitude too which goes with it, 'nya nya, can't touch me..').. We are not "free" as spirits as long as we are operating on a program..

re: with the title of the thread - each subject can be part of a lain in program, designed to create a disbelief of one's senses, or a disbelief of one's ability to OBSERVE "AS THINGS REALLY ARE"..

I absolutely agree with everything you posted. Observing things as they really are is one of the most truthful things that can be done. I find I can do this with nature very well, or when working with my hands. Anything along those lines help.

All I know is I'm here. And I'm doing my damndest to make my own observations and align with what I feel is truth, as best I know it. Good post.

And I must add, be compassionate in the process. If compassion makes me predictable, then so be it.

[BMJ]

A new mandela effect for your consideration, the changing face of Mount Rushmore. The original intent was to create a half body bust of the four presidents, but after it became apparent the it would be to costly and difficult the creators of this monument settled on only completing the face of the four presidents, or so I thought.

In addition to the four faces we now have also a partially completed jacket of George Washington and partial hand of Abraham Lincoln.

[DNA]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HHKmoBeNWWQ

I had a really good time watching this video. This is a presentation where someone discusses a series of posts made on 4chan that have to do with supposed inside information on the Mandela effect. All of this was new to me, I really enjoyed the presentation and explanations given by the information reviewer. The 4 Chan information was basically along the lines of our world ending during the 2012 debacle and a new world being introduced and the Mandela effect being certain differences and inconsistentcies showing up in that regard.

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks for bumping this. I'll definitely listen to the video.

I'm personally 100% convinced there was some kind of weird glitch in the spacetime matrix that showed up in subtle ways over a several-year period.

But now it's all died down again, and as best I know there are no new 'Mandela Effects' being reported. It's actually very important that this whole fascinating phenomenon isn't forgotten or dismissed.

Do also see this interesting thread, with an equally interesting discussion:

• Research paper on The Mandela Effect: strong statistical evidence

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I'll definitely listen to the video.

That was http://youtube.com/watch?v=HHKmoBeNWWQ from DNA's post #316 above.

I stopped listening when the so called 'whistleblower' said the Earth had actually been destroyed in 2012, but none of us know it. Another safely anonymous time-waster on 4Chan.

[Didgevillage]

This is too weird.

I thought there was only one snake.
But look at this!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mask_of_Tutankhamun

Google search results are the same.
Does anyone have an old book with ancient Egyptian photos? Take a look and let me know what you find.

[Didgevillage]

I didn't think there was a star on the flag...
http://100photos.time.com/photos/yev...over-reichstag