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    Heart breaking news.

    Gay bars and clubs are venues for gay men and women to go to to "feel safe". To be safe to act and behave how we might not feel safe doing on the street. Holding hands, kissing, expressing ourselves.

    For this to happen in our space is beyond comprehension. I don't understand why someone would have such hate for us that they would do such a horrendous thing.

    My heart goes out to the mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers of the people that were murdered. Their hearts are most definitely broken today. And may the soul's of those killed rest in peace, including that of the gunman.
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    http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/...-shooting.html


    Five Reasons To Question The Official Story Of The Orlando Shooting



    By Brandon Turbeville

    As more and more evidence emerges regarding the mass shooting in an Orlando gay club that resulted in the death of at least 52 people and many more injured, signs are increasingly pointing toward the possibility of a false flag operation.

    Already, a number of points lend credence to those who might suggest that intelligence agencies more so than desert-dwelling terrorist organizations are responsible for organizing and directing the attacks. A number of questionable aspects regarding this shooting include:

    The FBI knew about the shooter and investigated him prior to the attack.
    The shooter had a connection to a known ISIS recruiter.
    The shooter’s father was a former “Afghan presidential candidate” who supported the Taliban.
    The FBI’s history in creating terrorism.

    Omar Mir Seddique Mateen has now been revealed as the gunman in the Orlando club attack. According to mainstream reports, Mateen carried an AR-15 rifle and a handgun into the Pulse club around 2 a.m. and started shooting, killing 50 people and wounding 53. A stand-off ensued which lasted for about 3 hours before a SWAT team crashed into the building with an armored vehicle and killed Mateen.

    Mateen had allegedly pledged allegiance to ISIS before the shooting by calling 911 and stating allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi as well as mentioning the Tsarnaev brothers. Mateen was an American citizen born to Afghan parents from Port St. Lucie, Florida, about a 125 miles away from Orlando, a distance which he allegedly drove to commit the attack.
    FBI Foreknowledge, ISIS Sympathies, Taliban Ties

    What may at first sound like an instance of senseless violence, brings with it a number of other questions. For instance, the FBI was already well aware of Mateen and his connections to radical jihad and terrorism. According to CNN’s article, “50 Killed in Florida Nightclub, Shooter Pledged ISIS Allegiance,” two officials tell CNN that the FBI had investigated Mateen at some point for possibly having ties to or sympathizing with Islamic extremism. A law enforcement official said there were two cases opened involving Mateen but the probes didn’t result in enough evidence to charge him with anything.

    The investigations were reported by a number of mainstream media organizations and later confirmed by the FBI itself during a press conference. The FBI admitted that Mateen had been interviewed by agents twice in 2013 due to comments made about radical jihad which were overheard by coworkers. He was interviewed for a third time one year later due to his connection to Moner Mohammad Abu Salha, an American who had traveled from Florida to train in Syria and later to return to the United States in order to recruit other Americans to fight in the Western-backed terrorist brigades attempting to overthrow secular and legitimate government, Bashar Al Assad.

    Salha allegedly returned to Syria and blew himself up in a suicide bombing. It is also interesting to note that Mateen’s father Seddique Mateen is a political personality in his own right having hosted a TV show and apparently declared himself a presidential candidate for Afghanistan. Seddique has denounced the Pakistani government and expressed support and encouragement for the Taliban movement.

    Still, the question regarding the fact that Mateen was on the FBI’s radar is extremely important. One key aspect suggesting a false flag that should be looked for soon after the attack is any possible connection the suspect or group of suspects may have had with intelligence agencies. A connection to any one of these organizations and institutions may go some length in explaining how the attack was coordinated, the motivation of the perpetrators, the actual involvement (or not) of the suspects, and who actually directed the operation. For instance, on 9/11, many of the alleged hijackers had previously had close contact with the FBI, CIA, and other high-level intelligence agencies (both home and abroad). Likewise, the Tsarnaev brothers who have been accused of masterminding and carrying out the Boston Bombing had ties to the FBI before the attack.

    In many instances, connections to certain military agencies and communities should serve as the same red flag as connections to intelligence agencies since these institutions have largely been blended together.
    The FBI’s sordid history of organizing terrorist attacks

    Indeed, the FBI has had a long history in creating, organizing and facilitating terrorist attacks in order to bust them at the last minute and claim credit for stopping terror attacks. The FBI also has a long history of investigating, monitoring and interviewing suspects of high-profile terrorist attacks before those attacks were committed but doing nothing about them.

    As Tony Cartalucci writes in his article, “US Law Enforcement Knew Florida Shooter BEFORE Shooting,”

    A terror suspect armed to the teeth storming a public place and killing scores is actually a very familiar script. The FBI wrote several such scripts in 2015 alone, including entrapping and arresting a mentally-ill suspect after providing him with an arsenal of deadly weapons almost identical to the arsenal recently employed in Flordia.

    The Intercept would report in its article, “Another “Terror” Arrest; Another Mentally Ill Man, Armed by the FBI,” that:

    U.S. law enforcement officials announced another terror arrest on Monday, after arming a mentally ill man and then charging him with having guns.

    ABC News quoted a “senior federal official briefed on the arrest” as saying: “This is a very bad person arrested before he could do very bad things.”

    But in a sting reminiscent of so many others conducted by the FBI since 9/11, Alexander Ciccolo, 23, “aka Ali Al Amriki,” was apparently a mentally ill man who was doing nothing more than ranting about violent jihad and talking (admittedly in frightening ways) about launching attacks—until he met an FBI informant. At that point, he started making shopping lists for weapons.

    The Intercept would also reference the FBI’s affidavit (.pdf), stating (emphasis added):

    According to the affidavit, Ciccolo first talked to the FBI informant about attacking two bars and a police station. Later, he spoke of attacking a college campus with a homemade pressure-cooker bomb like the one used in the Boston Marathon terror attack; he also talked about using guns and a lot of ammo. Ciccolo, according to the affidavit, then “ordered the firearms from a confidential human source (“CHS”) working with the FBI.”

    The list of weapons provided to the mentally-ill suspect by the FBI informant is shocking. Revealed in the official FBI affidavit (.pdf), the weapons included a 9mm Glock 17, a 10mm Glock 20, a .223 Colt AR-15 rifle, (referred to by the media as an “assault rifle”), and a 556 Sig Arms SG550 rifle (also often referred to as an assault rifle). Also included in the affidavit is the same hysterical rhetoric encouraged by FBI informants now evident in the recent actions of terror suspect Omar Mateen in Florida.

    The FBI literally provided a mentally-ill man they helped plan a terrorist attack together with, an arsenal of deadly weapons – arresting him just before he committed his crime. The only factor that prevented the 2015 entrapment of Ciccolo from becoming a live Florida shooting-style attack was the fact that the FBI arrested Ciccolo before he carried out his planned attack – while those following Mateen did not arrest him.

    The role of the FBI in Mateen obtaining his weapons will never be known since Mateen is now – conveniently – dead. Even if he purchased them “legally” at a gun store, it should be noted that in other FBI entrapment cases, suspects were encouraged to purchase weapons themselves, with the FBI arresting them only after they left gun stores with their newly acquired arsenal.

    Interestingly enough, in the Ciccolo incident that Cartalucci refers to above, the plan which was fed to Ciccolo involved attacking bars, a target that was actually realized in Orlando. Of course, there will be many who will argue that the FBI, while entrapping unintelligent suspects, would never actually let the drill go live it is important to remember the 1993 World Trade Center bombing where that is precisely what the FBI did.
    Who Controls ISIS?

    Lastly, one immensely important question must be asked: If ISIS is responsible for the attacks, who controls ISIS? For many, claims that the attacker belongs to ISIS is a deal breaker. For these individuals, ISIS is a shadowy terrorist organization that supports itself and has created a caliphate in eastern Syria and western Iraq that can scarcely be defeated (except when the Russians bomb it). However, the facts do not support such a shallow understanding of the ISIS terrorist organization. ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus for geopolitical purposes all across the world both at home and abroad. For this reason, the declaration that ISIS committed a terrorist attack in Paris is by no means a get-out-of-jail-free card for the Western Intelligence apparatus. Instead, it is the trademark of their handiwork. Please see these articles for more information on the nature of ISIS: here, here, here and here.
    Conclusion

    While the right-wing media blames Muslims and the left-wing media blame guns, perhaps it would be more effective if thinking individuals would examine the possibilities that this attack was a false flag incident designed to push an agenda that would benefit those in power in some way or other. Out of this attack we will no doubt see another push for the evisceration of the Second Amendment and other civil liberties as well as increased hype regarding ISIS as a threat to the American way of life and a greater attempt at justification for foreign adventures.

    While the information presented above may not be enough evidence to prove in the court of law that the Orlando attack was a false flag attack, it is reason enough to question the official story thus far. If this attack is indeed placed in the lap of ISIS, however, all fingers should immediately point to NATO and the Atlanticist Intelligence apparatus. It is they who control ISIS and they who bear the responsibility for its actions. If the attack is attributed to a lone jihadist nut the FBI has some serious explaining to do since it appears that the agency itself is the greatest initiator of terrorist activity inside American borders and is either the most incompetent anti-terror fighter in the U.S. or it is complicit in the attacks that take place.
    Also Read: 9 Reasons to Question the Paris Terror Attacks

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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    It's both lack of and too many.

    But more than that it's a twist a stressing, a forcing and fire under the lives of people, a falseness, a hidden slavery and pressuring...as forced upon them by a hidden oligarchy.

    The cumulative aspects of the skewing of life and the world... by a group of hidden sociopaths... who use the world as their gaming field as they vie for power and control.

    Go after the hidden layers of psychos and sociopaths... and all our problems, big and small, would begin to dissipate.

    Never bother with any of this at the surface level, always go directly for the man behind the curtain. Otherwise none of this will ever stop, it will only get worse.
    Well said Carmody,
    Until behind curtain players are exposed, no matter we discussed individual events.

    Puppet masters have their hands in both baskets. Manipulation will continue from both sites,
    Love and Hope

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    A bird's eyes view of the "election-yard" from the Saker:


    The shooting in Orlando – a few very basic thoughts

    The Saker June 13, 2016

    Frankly, I did not feel like commenting on this shooting. Primarily, because I don’t believe that this event deserves the reaction it got. Yes, sure, 50-100+ innocent people were shot/hurt, but that is more or less what happens on a daily basis in so many locations of our planet that I don’t see how the Orlando shooting would deserve some special attention (for example, just four days ago 19 Yazidi ladies were burned alive to death in a cage by Daesh for refusing to have sex with Daesh fighters).


    Yazidi ladies: “bad” victims who do not deserve sympathy

    But then I got a ton of emails about that. And, besides, since the homosexual lobby in the USA demands special protection for homosexuals, the massacre in Orlando is a big deal because it is a perfect illustration of how our masters want us to react.


    Homosexuals: “good” victims deserving sympathy

    Check out this BBC article: “In pictures: LGBT parades across Europe“. So “gay” pride is, apparently, a big deal to our rulers. Which makes the massacre in Orlando a big deal too. Clearly the powers that be are intensely preoccupied with the well-being and safety of homosexuals. Fair enough.

    But then, at the very least, let’s make darn sure that we keep in mind what this massacre has no relationship to:

    1) Homosexuality. Yes, the club where the massacre happened was known to be “gay friendly” and the presumed shooter apparently wanted to kill homosexuals. But so what? If he has chosen any other group, vegans, or Latinos, or soccer players or diabetics, this would really made no difference to the nature of the massacre or for the evaluation of the character of the shooter. Innocent blood is innocent blood. There are not subcategories for this.

    2) Islam. Yes, the shooter apparently call 911 to declare his allegiance to Daesh and Daesh has, according to reports, claimed responsibility for the massacre. So what? Anybody can claim responsibility for anything, including the Garden Gnome Liberation Front. I would even argue that Daesh has nothing to do with Islam either because Daesh’s relationship to Islam is similar that of a tumor to a healthy tissue: a lot of common DNA, for sure, but with some absolutely crucial differences which makes them mortal enemies.


    The AR-15: the cause of all evil

    3) Guns. Turns out that the supposed perpetrator did have a legal firearm license. But he should not have had it. He was known to be a wife beater and he was reportedly mentally unstable. Under Florida law, both of these conditions should have resulted in his firearms license been revoked. In other words, even if this shooter purchased his guns legally, his license should have been revoked. When an alcoholic continues to drive around in his car and ends up killing somebody, does anybody suggest that cars are to blame? Of course not. And yet in the case of mass shootings guns are inevitably blamed for the violence. So what is the political agenda here?

    So if this is not about homosexuality, Islam or guns, what is it about?

    It is about making us believe that is is about homosexuality, Islam and guns, of course!


    Whether this is just a perfect opportunity or the latest in an apparently endless series of false flags does not really matter. What is certain is that the Empire and its propaganda machine are making maximal use of this event to convince us that homosexuals deserve our heartfelt sympathy and that they need some kind of special protection and that guns and Islam are truly awful things. Does that sound incredibly stupid to you?

    Of course it does – and that is because it is incredibly stupid.

    But we are talking about the country in which solving a basic math equation is enough to make you look like a terrorist. So “incredibly stupid” is exactly what works best.

    And then there is the upcoming election. Sure, Trump comes across as more anti-Muslim than Hillary. But Hillary is a rabid gun hater, and she is backed by Obama. Besides, last year there has been a long string of mass shooting which were not only rather bizarre, but which were used by the 1%ers to try to blame violence on guns and disarm law-abiding citizens. Does this latest shooting not just look *perfect* for the Obama administration?


    Islam: the other cause of all evil

    We will probably never find out if Omar Mir Seddique Mateen was just a a “lone wolf” with some real sympathies for Daesh, whether he truly was an isolated psychopath, or whether he was lovingly nurtured by one of the other US 3 letter agencies and then carefully planted at the right time and place (he was a “person of interest” for the FBI).

    The worst lie of them all is the one that is implied: if we get rid of all guns and if we get rid of all Muslims, then we will be much safer. That is utter nonsense. Not only because guns and Muslims are not the problem, but because it is simply impossible to be safe! There have always been terrorist attack, and there will always be. Today it was a Muslim with a gun. Yesterday it was a Japanese with sarin gas. Tomorrow it could be anybody anywhere, armed to the teeth by illegally purchased guns (like in the Charlie Hebdo attack – the French total ban on guns did not help one bit) or armed with a far more deadly weapon (say a common pathogen like E.coli, a legally available toxic agent like Cyanide or even a Water Hemlock extract to poison, say, a school’s cafeteria). Explosives are very easy to manufacture and can be delivered anywhere a car can drive. In terms of terrorism – where there is a will, there will be a means.


    The Pulse: the club where it all happened

    One more thing about guns: not only are homosexuals usually known to be easy victims (this is the reason why cowards love to attack them – they usually don’t fight back), but under Florida law it is illegal to bring a firearm into bar. So bar, just as schools, are legal “gun free zones” which makes them ideal for mass shootings and makes it possible for one single shooter to shoot 50 or more people. In Florida, these “gun free zones” are pretty much the only places where you can hope to shoot a lot of people safely, everywhere else the chances of somebody shooting right back at you are rather high as there are no less than 1,477,675 people legally licensed to carry a weapon in Florida (the highest figure in the USA). Concealed weapon carriers include all races, all age groups, males and females from any and all social groups. This is why it has become rather dangerous to start shooting people in Florida, because chances are somebody nearby will shoot right back at you. That is a paradox – “gun free zones” have turned into honeypots for all sorts of mass shooters. That is also something the imperial media will never tell you.


    Do you really think that he cares?

    By definition, terrorism is about terror. About fear. About emotions. Those who use terrorism want us to freak out, to lose our ability to think logically. They want us to listen to our emotions, and only some of our emotions. So each time some atrocity occurs and the imperial propaganda machine starts to hammer us with ‘special news flashes’ you know that they are trying to freak you out. Don’t let them do this to you. Don’t let them disconnect your brain. This latest atrocity in Orlando proves absolutely nothing and it only means something if you are willing to give it a meaning. I categorically refuse to do so. For me, 50+ innocent people died yesterday, and that is simply disgusting. But it is also meaningless. To “respond” to that pseudo-event with any kind of “policy” is the pinnacle of stupidity and hypocrisy.

    Our resistance has to be first and foremost a resistance for our minds and souls. We have to think and react as we do, not as “they” want us to. If we pay attention to their non-events, then we will miss our real events, especially our victories over them! And, make no mistake, they are getting weaker while we are getting stronger, even if their media says otherwise and if our victories are never reported.

    My hope is that the next time when the imperial propaganda machine presents us all with a tear-jerker “outrage” or “terrorist attack” nobody will email me to ask my opinion about it because none of us will care very much (even if it happens close to our homes). I hope that we will be focused on the real horrors of our times, like the 40 million Americans who have been victims of child sexual abuse or the 45 million of Americans who are currently living below the poverty line. Terrorism is really an illusion created by our rulers to blind us to our condition. Ignore it. Keep your attention focused on reality!

    The Saker

    PS: for those interested in really understanding the reality of gun ownership in the USA, I recommend this excellent report: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2629704 (download the PDF!)
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    Quote Posted by Tangri (here)
    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    It's both lack of and too many.

    But more than that it's a twist a stressing, a forcing and fire under the lives of people, a falseness, a hidden slavery and pressuring...as forced upon them by a hidden oligarchy.

    The cumulative aspects of the skewing of life and the world... by a group of hidden sociopaths... who use the world as their gaming field as they vie for power and control.

    Go after the hidden layers of psychos and sociopaths... and all our problems, big and small, would begin to dissipate.

    Never bother with any of this at the surface level, always go directly for the man behind the curtain. Otherwise none of this will ever stop, it will only get worse.
    Well said Carmody,
    Until behind curtain players are exposed, no matter we discussed individual events.

    Puppet masters have their hands in both baskets. Manipulation will continue from both sites,
    Opps, I got confirmation

    ISIS Claims Responsibility for Orlando Attack in Radio Statement.

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/orlando-...radio-station/
    Love and Hope

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    Quote The role of the FBI in Mateen obtaining his weapons will never be known since Mateen is now – conveniently – dead. Even if he purchased them “legally” at a gun store, it should be noted that in other FBI entrapment cases, suspects were encouraged to purchase weapons themselves, with the FBI arresting them only after they left gun stores with their newly acquired arsenal.
    {peterpam post}

    This I find completely plausible considering the fiasco of the recent Fast an Furious, the supposed operation to run tagged guns into Mexico to then find out what criminal organizations are using them....
    It makes only semi sense for a Muslim extremist to attack a gay bar, I mean it is fairly obvious that most religions do not support homosexuals or their life style in general, but this case now is probably one of few or even the first , to be a blatant terrorist attack on homosexuals, and now things are totally muddled. Seeing gay pride flags being waved and anti gun demonstrations in the same venue , while totally ignoring what has taken place, and reasons why it has taken place.

    It is total aggravation, I don't believe in accidents anymore, and I sure as hell do not believe in the big bad lone wolf theory that supposed experts want us to believe.

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    Quote Posted by Tangri (here)
    Quote Posted by Tangri (here)
    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    It's both lack of and too many.

    But more than that it's a twist a stressing, a forcing and fire under the lives of people, a falseness, a hidden slavery and pressuring...as forced upon them by a hidden oligarchy.

    The cumulative aspects of the skewing of life and the world... by a group of hidden sociopaths... who use the world as their gaming field as they vie for power and control.

    Go after the hidden layers of psychos and sociopaths... and all our problems, big and small, would begin to dissipate.

    Never bother with any of this at the surface level, always go directly for the man behind the curtain. Otherwise none of this will ever stop, it will only get worse.
    Well said Carmody,
    Until behind curtain players are exposed, no matter we discussed individual events.

    Puppet masters have their hands in both baskets. Manipulation will continue from both sites,
    Opps, I got confirmation

    ISIS Claims Responsibility for Orlando Attack in Radio Statement.

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/orlando-...radio-station/
    I don't doubt that ISIS had a role in this to some degree if only acknowledging that they had a supporter here in America who did this under their flag, but I still think a larger role is the ineptness of the F.B.I, or the blatant help by the F.B.I to let this happen. What I do not believe is that ISIS had some grand scheme to target this particular gay club as part of their diabolical plans to destroy America.

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    Quote Posted by bluekungfoo (here)
    Quote Posted by Tangri (here)
    Quote Posted by Tangri (here)
    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    It's both lack of and too many.

    But more than that it's a twist a stressing, a forcing and fire under the lives of people, a falseness, a hidden slavery and pressuring...as forced upon them by a hidden oligarchy.

    The cumulative aspects of the skewing of life and the world... by a group of hidden sociopaths... who use the world as their gaming field as they vie for power and control.

    Go after the hidden layers of psychos and sociopaths... and all our problems, big and small, would begin to dissipate.

    Never bother with any of this at the surface level, always go directly for the man behind the curtain. Otherwise none of this will ever stop, it will only get worse.
    Well said Carmody,
    Until behind curtain players are exposed, no matter we discussed individual events.

    Puppet masters have their hands in both baskets. Manipulation will continue from both sites,
    Opps, I got confirmation

    ISIS Claims Responsibility for Orlando Attack in Radio Statement.

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/orlando-...radio-station/
    I don't doubt that ISIS had a role in this to some degree if only acknowledging that they had a supporter here in America who did this under their flag, but I still think a larger role is the ineptness of the F.B.I, or the blatant help by the F.B.I to let this happen. What I do not believe is that ISIS had some grand scheme to target this particular gay club as part of their diabolical plans to destroy America.
    if it was 2 years ago; New York times would said " El- kaide claimed responsibilty"
    Love and Hope

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    Witness interviewed is an actor, Luis Burbano.
    Well, I don’t think that has been established here. If as Carmody always says, there are only 36 facial types, that means that the US has nearly 10 million examples of each type. You would need a much more thorough analysis to claim identity as opposed to spitting-image similarity, which is known to be fairly common as well. And actually, I am not at all sure the resemblance is even that close.

    Note I’m not drawing any conclusions either way from this; precisely because I don’t think any conclusions can be drawn from it.
    Humanity has only 36 different basic facial types (genetically only 6 mothers for all of Europe, etc), and then the genetic variations thereof. Which is why things like ears and eyes and so on as extra identifying markers, are so important.


    The other thing we have to look at evenly, ie to look at the plausibility of the 'other side', is the idea that all calls on phones would be so insanely closely monitored, that one person talking in an interview about someone holding doors in the club shut......how that interview would be so perfectly cut off, at the exact moment the offending words were spoken. Think about it. If monitoring was that insanely controlled and complete, it would be a new thing. and how would the monitoring people know the situation so well they could time the cut off so quickly, and how could the command to do so, get around and into the system so freaking fast.

    Additionally, we don't know the local or state ordinance on panic door bars, for exits on buildings, in Florida, or Orlando. There may be some definite design requirements for such door latches. Ie, that these door types, building exit doors, may require, by law, undefeatable door latch types that are tightly specified. So, running off at the mouth about phone calls about doors being held shut can get your investigative prowess credibility shot in the mouth when evidence shows other realities and one can end up being dismissed by all, on all aspects, due to incompetence in investigation.

    I'm not saying ignore the phone call, but to weigh it with open eyes. To consider suspending it in unplaced judgement, due to potential anomalies that lie within it's very shape.

    to use it if you want, for the purposes of investigation, but to understand that it maybe pulled from the table at any moment.
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    Some interesting comments in the vids below , on the BBC vid his ex wife
    says he was bipolar , which puts him in the vulnerable class of potential
    recruits by either side as a patsy or a possible ' lone gun' . The fact he
    was reported by work mates as a threat , and investigated by the FBI
    shows at the least he was going through an unstable time and could well
    have been influenced . Certainly a potential candidate or recruit for this
    type of event ? I am not medically qualified to answer these questions ,
    but we do know most of these 'lone nuts' or patsies or even the odd
    suicide bomber/shooter has some sort of problems which lay them open
    to manipulation , blackmail or mind control.......

    In the RT report they speculate that the shooter was radicalised on a visit
    to Saudi , which ties in with many others including most of the 9/11
    so called hi jackers and others.



    http://lifeunfold.com/medicare/bipol...and-treatment/
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    Orlando shootings: 'No clear evidence' of IS link

    8 minutes ago
    From the section US & Canada

    short vid on link....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36521761


    There is no clear evidence that the Orlando gunman was directed by the
    so-called Islamic State group (IS), US President Barack Obama has said.

    But the inquiry into the attack on the Pulse gay night club, in which 49 people were
    killed, is being treated as a terrorist investigation, he added.The US authorities say
    gunman Omar Mateen pledged allegiance to IS shortly before the attack in Florida.
    However, the extent of his links to IS remains unclear. Speaking in Washington, the
    president said: "It does appear that at the last minute he [gunman Omar Mateen]
    announced allegiance to Isil [IS].

    "But there is no evidence so far that he was in fact directed.

    "This is certainly an example of the kind of home-grown extremism that all of us
    have been concerned about for a very long time."

    Read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36521761




    read more....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36521761


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    Orlando shooter's father 'Punishment for gays is up to God alone'



    Published on 13 Jun 2016

    The Orlando massacre is the worst-ever mass shooting in the United States. The
    atrocity took place in the early hours of Sunday, while the Pulse nightclub was
    packed with around 320 people inside. The shooter's father earlier said his son was
    motivated by 'anti-gay leanings.'

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    For those of you who think that banning guns is the way to go then keep in mind that THIS WAS A GUN-FREE ZONE, if it wasn't then probably someone civil could have stopped this bastrd sooner. I don't get why some people think that "bad" people will be disarmed by gun-control laws... so naive or what.
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    at this moment there is zero proof that the event even happened, much less that the lone gunmen narrative which the msm is promoting is true. quite the opposite actually. I have seen fairly conclusive evidence that

    this is no different that sandy hook ,the boston bombing , and all the rest.




    Quote Posted by Conaire (here)
    Heart breaking news.

    Gay bars and clubs are venues for gay men and women to go to to "feel safe". To be safe to act and behave how we might not feel safe doing on the street. Holding hands, kissing, expressing ourselves.

    For this to happen in our space is beyond comprehension. I don't understand why someone would have such hate for us that they would do such a horrendous thing.

    My heart goes out to the mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers of the people that were murdered. Their hearts are most definitely broken today. And may the soul's of those killed rest in peace, including that of the gunman.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by 6pounder (here)

    Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.
    Yes. I fear this may be the start of a wave that will build and build, with repeated, similar events on both sides of the Atlantic, until Trump is elected. That may be deliberate to push him into power, if some decision's been made to go with him rather than Hillary. Half the population would be screaming at him, giving him a mandate to take whatever action was needed. But that's a pure personal wild guess.

    If there's another one of these events in the US in the next few weeks (and the follow-up would need to leave more fatalities, for maximum 'wave-building' effect), then I'd say that would go quite a long way to confirm the hypothesis.

    If that's what's happening (if), then the endgame would be to use Trump to precipitate some major conflict (domestic and/or foreign) that would help usher in the one-world government as the 'solution'.

    With all respect, I completely disagree for the reasons I generally and briefly put forth in post # 34 in this thread. And, by the way, I have long ago seen through the fake left/right, Democrat/Republican dichotomy. I'm not fooled by party affiliations. The only reason I support Trump is that it appears at this time that he is the only alternative to Killary. She has a long history of imperialism and war mongering. The chances for moving towards any hope of reducing war and seeking peace are nil with Killary. The only hope for taking the first steps towards less ( I want to say "ending", but that's too unrealistic.) imperialism and war and in the direction of peace is with Trump. He isn't perfect, no one is, but he offers a better chance for peace and reversing the destruction of the USA.

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    ..........
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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    The only reason I support Trump is that it appears at this time that he is the only alternative to Killary.
    Reminds me of this cartoon that I noticed on Need To Know News:


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    ....
    Quote Posted by Redstar Kachina (here)
    NOTE THE FOLLOWING:

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    A brief initial overview.....

    The Orlando Shooting: An Open Source Investigation



    Published on 12 Jun 2016

    So the MSM is identifying the man who shot up a gay nightclub in Orlando as a legal
    gun owning Muslim who was a registered Democrat and was on the FBI radar for
    suspicious behaviour. Oh, and his father thinks he's the President of Afghanistan.
    Have they got it right? You tell me. Join the open source investigation at corbettreport.com today.

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    Infowarrior Loses Friend In Orlando Terror Attack



    Published on 13 Jun 2016


    Joe Biggs interviews a loyal listener who says he lost a friend in the nightclub
    massacre at the hands of a radical muslim terrorist.

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    'I'm gonna die': Mother shares tragic messages from son killed in Orlando shooting



    Published on 13 Jun 2016

    The mother of a man killed in the Orlando shooting has shared the final text
    messages sent by her son as he was held hostage in the gay nightclub's bathroom
    before being shot dead.

    ‘Mass casualty situation’: scene of shooting in Orlando night club
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii04Tq5NHQk

    Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub: Wounded evacuated from deadly attack scene
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owJdEsMBVHQ

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    Controversial researcher and author Michael Hoffman had this to say today about the Orlando shooter (Hoffman is the author of Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare and the editor of Revisionist History newsletter.)
    Quote June 13, 2016

    Massacre in Orlando
    Occult Dimension, Investigative Leads, Morality and Mortality

    Orlando terrorist Omar Mir Seddique Mateen was licensed by the state of Florida to carry firearms. His rifle may even have been part of his job. Since 2007 he has been employed by G4S Secure Solutions, a “global” security firm that provided protection to the London Olympics. Until recently, G4S had an Israeli section with 8,000 employees. G4S states on its website that Mateen was “off-duty at the time of the incident.” The Establishment media has shown little interest in reporting on G4S.

    Another Alibi for the Gun-Grabbers

    Mateen’s access to firearms appears to be the same access enjoyed by tens of thousands of the hired guns which corporations and millionaires employ to ensure their own safety. How then can this be a case for another call for gun control? Hillary Clinton does not want to deny “assault” rifles to the people who protect her, or David Rockefeller, or who guard the Olympics.

    What we have is a knee-jerk response that is as monotonous as it is lacking in common sense. If the Islamic terrorist in Orlando had killed people with a high-powered automobile Hillary would not be assaulting the automotive industry or demanding a “ban” on high powered cars.

    Of course she isn’t really seeking a total restriction on AR-15s. She and her wealthy cronies will always have bodyguards who legally possess high powered “military-style” weapons. She seeks to disarm the American people, in whose name the Democrats claim they are working. The peasants are to be denied the weapons which the licensed agents of Her Majesty possess, as authorized by Queen Clinton.

    This is the path to a police state, which we saw at work in the now largely forgotten 1993 government massacre of 82 Americans at Waco, Texas which was ordered by Mrs. Clinton’s husband, and in in 1995 in Oklahoma City when a cabal of government agents and patsies bombed the Alfred Murrah building, killing 168 people. Congress then passed numerous laws restricting our freedoms and granting greater latitude to the police to violate our rights, although that was small beer compared to the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks and the enactment of the misnamed “Patriot Act.”

    Lady Macbeth’s scapegoating of firearms is part of the script. She prefers to focus less on the Sunni-Salafist Muslim connection, inspired by Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabist theology, which is the ideological engine of the Islamic State (“ISIS”; Mateen traveled to Saudi Arabia twice). How many Americans know that throughout the Middle East ISIS is considered a creature of US and Israeli intelligence? Whether that rumor is true or not (and there is evidence to suggest it is true), this is the firm conviction of millions of Arabs. In the past few months Islamic State has bombed and massacred hundreds of Shiite civilians in Iraq, Pakistan and Syria to very little notice or mourning in the mainstream American media.

    The Occult Dimension

    What about Orlando, home to Disneyworld, “the happiest place on earth”? With cross hairs fixed on the “pulse” of the nation, on June 12, fifty people died at the Pulse, which caters to homosexuals. Two days before, a popular singer was assassinated a few miles from the “Pulse.” S.K. Bain, the subject of the book, Most Dangerous, writes in his blog that Orlando is "roughly 50 miles from Sarasota, Florida, where, on the morning of September 11, 2001, President George W. Bush—whose brother Jeb was governor of the state at the time—sat in an elementary classroom presiding over a black-mass-in-disguise, to which Mr. Bain devoted an entire chapter in his book, 9/11 as Mass Ritual. (For the uninitiated, Google ‘The Pet Goat.”).

    Bain states:

    ... that “unrelated” shooting of Christina Grimmie, a former contestant on “The Voice”, in Orlando two days prior, on June 10th following a performance with the band, ahem, named “Before You Exit”...Unrelated perhaps, but those who study these sorts of things are well familiar with the established pattern of foreshadowing a mass attack with a smaller incident in the exact same locale....The surname Grimmie, by the way, originally derives from the Norse-Viking “Grimr”, meaning “The Fierce One”, who Lucifer most certainly is.

    June 12th was the birthday of both David Rockefeller and former U.S. President George H.W. Bush. A Luciferian mass sacrifice and birthday celebration all mixed up into one—now that’s truly diabolical. ...Skeptical on that last point? Chapter 33 of Most Dangerous: A True Story is entitled “Happy Birthday, Mr. President” and details the tragic events of July 6, 2013, on which Asiana Airlines Flight OZ214 (yes, Oz) crashed at the San Francisco International Airport and “Le Train D’Enfer” (“the Train from Hell”) derailed in Lac Mégantic, Quebec, inundating the small community in a sea of burning crude oil. July 6th also just happens to be the birthday of one George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States. (End quote from Bain).

    Investigative Leads

    If this writer were tasked with investigating the Orlando massacre we would be closely examining the circumstance of an Orlando police officer “exchanging fire” with the terrorist either prior to his entry to the club, or soon after he entered it. If that was the case, where was the immediate police response? A cop is being shot at and other cops don’t arrive within minutes and engage the perpetrator?

    Second, we would be deeply researching everything there is to know about G4S Secure Solutions and how, despite their boast they they throughly check their employees to be certain they have impeccable records, a Muslim man who had been twice investigated by the FBI for terror connections had been working for them from 2007 until the morning of June 12.

    What type of work did G4S’s 8,000 Israeli employees undertake, both in occupied Palestine, the Mideast (Saudi Arabia in particular), and the US and Europe? Was Mateen any part of those missions?

    On the morning of June 12 FOX News featured a former NYPD detective named “Solomon” (Mateen liked to be photographed wearing NYPD T-shirts), blaming the Orlando massacre on the Koran. “Just read it, you’ll see” he told the FOX television audience.

    What if, in the aftermath of an Israeli massacre of Arabs, this writer were to indict the Babylonian Talmud on national TV? We would be hounded off the airwaves in short order, and our “anti-Semitism” excoriated with the hot poker of two-faced Fox News outrage.

    Morality and Mortality

    What has happened to the America we have known and loved? Mass murder seems to be the order of the day. Shadowy occult forces and symbolism often accompany the horror. America was intended to be God’s New Jerusalem, but beginning in the 1970s Americans began to chop up the defenseless human beings which that same God had sent down into the wombs of millions of mothers. More than 30 million of them chose to massacre their own children and that holocaust, though largely hidden from view, is on-going.

    There is a trend on the Left to laud John Brown, the antebellum abolitionist who executed farmers in Kansas in 1856. In 1859 he led the terror attack on Harpers Ferry, Virginia (now West Virginia), perpetrating more deaths. Brown’s famous terror slogan, “To purge this land with blood” embodied his belief that guilty Americans must suffer bloody terror until slavery was abolished. He believed that the enslavement of black people was a crime that could only be expunged with the blood of an American nation that had condoned slavery. This terrorist theology (Brown was a New Light Calvinist) strikes contemporary Leftist academics as a reasonable one and Brown is a hero to many.

    Few Americans in 2016 would dare to draw from Brown’s blood purge maxim a parallel with the crime of abortion. Anyone who stood today in the media and said that for the lives of millions of unborn babies, America must be purged with blood and suffer terror, would be labeled a monster. Yet it certainly looks like this is what is coming to pass, and the attempts to pretend otherwise and resume the somnambulistic consumer routine of our daily lives, appears to be futile.
    This article is from the Hoffman Wire here
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Orlando shooter's father 'Punishment for gays is up to God alone'



    Published on 13 Jun 2016

    The Orlando massacre is the worst-ever mass shooting in the United States. The
    atrocity took place in the early hours of Sunday, while the Pulse nightclub was
    packed with around 320 people inside. The shooter's father earlier said his son was
    motivated by 'anti-gay leanings.'

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    I think it's a tragedy for all this Planet to have a religion that practices and commends violence against any form of life ,
    any form of violence , including hate speech .

    What strikes me ( and I suppose not me only ) through the recent 'terrorist attacks' , from last years Paris to this years Brussels , the Bernardino killings and so forth is that those people are being identified and align themselves with both a/islamic religion and b/islamic state in war with the world ,
    but they do not attack soldiers. They do not attack strategical installations . They don't declare war ,
    they instead shoot innocent civilians . This makes no sense and hardly any good precedence in the history of mankind .

    Shows how much confused everyone is about their 'religious views' .

    Points out the education missing for few billions of people , utter ignorance if you ask my opinion ,
    what is the 'punishment' the islam will suffer for acts of hatred performed in its name ?


    The same that Christianity suffered after dark middle ages and worse, abandonment . For these people, the clergy , the patriarchs, the feminists too , can't get over human diversity easily ,
    cultural, ethnic , more so biological diversity and they'll go preaching around this forever and ever and punishing everyone being born different .

    Religious people should be the more merciful, the more caring and compassionate , in thoughts, words and deeds .

    Why turning religion of 'compassionate one-ness' to beastly mob on humanity . Why blaming someone else eternally, for 'selling you the weapons' if you did not want to buy them .
    Why buying to the fancy side of 'the west' but forsaking the precious culture of both sides of perspective.


    There's but one way this all can stop, and that's from deep within. Stop cultivating the hatred in your hearts and your children hearts against other people .
    Stop lying to yourself that it's all somehow planned and meant to be. It's no 'super-power' doing this. It's human psychopaths .

    Bipolar ? How do we know but genuinely ill person would probably collapse himself much earlier before they'd manage to shoot 50 .

    Psychopaths , all around .. watch for 'smart comments' from conspiracy theorists , typical for them they stay untouched . There's no feelings towards this in many people , no true feeling . All they see and see as important is some form of political lobby going on .

    One has to go much deeper to individual human soul to understand the variety of feelings and motivations there ,
    as long as we keep missing empathy for individuals and cultivation of individuality this brutality, this negligence will go on and on and people will mistake America for one big political lobby .

    True as Bill said, I'll soon start believing Donald Trump .


    God save all

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    Quote Posted by Redstar Kachina (here)
    NOTE THE FOLLOWING:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...18#post1074718
    This should go viral
    Bring to light this (yet another) inside job

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