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    Default Anti-Gravity From A Bug's Wing - More Than Just Possible.

    This thread expands on a subject related a thread which can be found HERE.

    G'day Avalonians,

    It appears that anti-gravitic propulsion is nothing new, at least not in the bug's world.

    We have all seen bugs whose wings are protected by a pair of harder, shell-like structures. These structures are called Elytron (plural - Elytra).

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    The elytra of this cockchafer (Maybug) are
    readily distinguished from the transparent
    hindwings. (Image and description source)


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    Checkered Beetle Trichodes alvearius
    (family Cleridae) taking off from Knapweed,
    elytra held high above the wings.
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    Here's a video from Russel Martin, in which he attempts, and succeeds in, a replication of Victor Grebennikov's demonstration of the property of gravitic repulsion present in certain elytra. The video starts with Grebennikov's original footage, with Martin's replication kicking in at around 0:50.

    **Update**

    This video is a hoax. Martin's replication was faked. Please see 42's post number 5.



    How do they do that, was the effect electro-static or electrolyte-magnetic in nature, and who was Victor Grebennikov?


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    Viktor Stepanovich Grebennikov (1927-2001) was a naturalist and a professional entomologist. He was also an artist and an intellectual with a wide range of interests and pursuits. He was known to many as the discoverer of the Cavity Structures Effect (CSE). But very few people are familiar with his other discovery, the one that also borrows from Nature and its innermost secrets. He has discovered antigravitational effects of the chitin shell of certain insects back in 1988 but, the most impressive concomitant phenomenon he has discovered at the same time was that of complete or partial invisibility and/or of distorted perception of material objects entering the zone of compensated gravity. Based on this discovery, Victor Grebennikov used bionic principles to design and build an anti-gravitational platform for hovering flights at the speeds of up to 25 km/min. Since 1991-92 he used this device for his own fast transportation.

    The above was taken from the Subtle Energies site, and edited to reflect Grebennikov's death in 2001.

    Here a video where the principle of the Cavity Structures Effect is explained in some detail, as well as the internal workings of Grebennikov's flying platform. It's a short clip from a DVD called, "Aether, ZPE and Dielectric Nanostructure Arrays" by Jerry Decker.



    In case you skipped the video, here are two pictures of Grebennikov on his platform:

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    The bottom of his platform was covered in elytra. He did not disclose the exact genus of the bug as he was concerned about the depletion of its numbers. It has been written that it may be a water beetle of the Dytiscidae genus.

    The internal workings of the platform is presented in the second video above.

    The ability to reproduce the surface structure of this particular elytron, achieving both gravitic repulsion and invisibility would prove to be most desirable to many, to say the least!

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    That is amazing! Real innovative ideas at work!

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    I love this kind of thing. I've been pondering on the correct wording to start a thread based on advanced tech being accomplished through archaic or stone age means, and this was a prime example of what I wanted to illustrate.
    It's very possible in my opinion that everything needed for intersteller travel was invented in the 40's and 50's, and the only relevant technology seeming to be upgraded would be that which would entertain, train, hypnotize and opiate the masses.
    Be wary of the technology which is receiving upgrades, like the TV's and the often discussed VR head sets.
    I fear the technology addiction of the future will make the physical world drugs of the past pale in comparison.
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    Here is some further information on the nature of the cavity structural effect...

    Cavity Structural Effect

    The Cavity Structural Effect (CSE) was discovered in spring 1983 by chance by Viktor S. Grebennikov (1927-2001), entomologist and painter, when he moved his hand over multi cavernous bee nests and felt warmth emanating from them. He started to study the phenomena and found out that the cause of unusual sensations such as warm breezes, cold drafts and tingling in hands, were not heat or a biofield, but the size, shape, number, and the arrangement of cavities formed by any solid objects. (1, 2)



    Fig. 1. Ground bee nest CSE


    The Characteristics of the CSE



    1. It cannot be shielded; like gravitation, it affects living organism though walls, thick metal, and other screens.
    2. The CSE field does not decrease evenly with distance, but surrounds the multi cavernous object with a system of invisible "shells".
    3. It has a stronger impact on living organism when it is directed away from the Sun, and also downwards, facing the Earth's center.
    4. When multi cavernous object is moved to another spot, the CSE field builds up in a few seconds or minutes, while the old spot retains a "phantom" perceivable by the hand for hours, and sometimes for months.
    5. When multi cavernous object is rotated the CSE increases significantly.
    6. Mechanical and electronic clocks placed in a strong CSE field run inaccurately.
    7. The CSE zone inhibits wheat grain germination and the growth of saprophytic soil bacteria, yeast and other cultures. Leaf-cutting bees become more active in this field.
    8. Humans and animals adapt to the CSE fields. It couldn't be otherwise: we are surrounded by caverns large and small: by grids, cells of plants (as well our own cells), bubbles of foam-rubber, foam plastic, foam concrete, rooms, corridors, halls, roofing, spaces between machine parts, trees, furniture, buildings. (2)



    The Nature of the CSE

    There have been many hypotheses about the physical nature of the CSE, but there is one theory that deserves greater attention. It was developed earlier by Valery F. Zolotariov (1931-2000), Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, and it is now experimentally confirmed. (1, 3)

    As a result of a long collaborative research Grebennikov and Zolotariov (1987) describe the discovery as "previously unknown phenomena of interaction between multi cavity structures and living systems, in which de Broglie waves associated with motion of electron flows in the solid walls of cavities create, by interference, a macroscopic field of multi cavity structures, which causes changes in the functional state of living objects located in this field". (1, 3)

    In multi cavity structures, where the surface area is repeatedly curved, the super high frequency de Broglie waves are added together and they form, like musical overtones, harmonics with lower frequencies. Thus, by lengthening and strengthening due to the mutual overlap in the cells, they form anti-node maximums of standing de Broglie waves. Running against these passive obstacles, nerve impulses change their frequency and speed, causing not only the apparent sensations, but sometimes also significant physiological changes. (1, 3)

    The CSE is caused by the interaction between de Broglie waves and biological systems. Cavities within the solid body are de Broglie wave resonators; they are a source of standing de Broglie waves (longitudinal waves). The rhythmical location of cavities leads to a reinforcement of the effect.(4)

    According to B. N. Rodimov (1976, as cited by Frolov, 2001) the walls of multi cavity structures can be considered as the boundaries of the potential electron's box. The group movement of electrons leads to a system of standing de Broglie waves, which have classic frequencies.(4)

    The classic frequencies are f = nh/4mL2, where n is an integer number, L is the circumference of cavity in centimeters, and m is the effective mass of the electron.(4) As an example, the classic frequency for 4.9 mm (side to side) diameter honey bee comb cell is calculated. The effective mass of an electron in beeswax is a bit hard to calculate, and therefore, in the calculation the free electron rest mass is used.

    f = 1 · 6.626 · 10-34kgm2s-2 / 4 · 9.11 · 10-31kg · (1.7cm)2= 0.63 Hz


    Further, Zolotariov gives a formula for the locations of de Broglie wave maximums: D = 2L(N+1)2K, where L is the circumference of the tube, N is the harmonic number of the wave, and K is the number of the anti-node/maximum.(4)





    Fig. 2. Leaf-cutting bee nest CSE


    For example, calculated wave maximums (1st harmonic anti-nodes) from the honey bee comb are at the distances of 7, 14, 27, 54, 109, 218 cm, and so on.

    As a comparison, Grebennikov reported (1987) CSE maximums from the leaf-cutting bee nest entrances at the distances of 13, 26, 51, 102, and especially in 205 cm. At another leaf-cutting bee nest they were noted at the distances of 4 cm, 13 cm (especially strongly perceptible layer), 20, 40, 80, 120, and 150 cm. (1)

    Grebennikov found out that bees and wasps can detect these wave beacons created by their nests. It is necessary for the ground bees to know not to engrave into adjacent nests while constructing their nest cavities, or otherwise the entire underground beecity could collapse. As for the leaf-cutting bees, they need to know where to find finished cavities with necessary parameters. Moreover, one experiment with the hunter wasps showed that they were able to find their moved nest because of a wave beacon created by the nest cavern.(1, 2)





    Fig. 3. Flower CSE

    Grebennikov discovered that the flowers of plants also create CSE. By moving a drawing coal over large, bell-shaped flowers (tulips, lilies, amaryllises, mallows, pumpkins), already at a distance, he could feel a "braking" of this detector. And there was another mystery of nature revealed to him by insects. To attract their pollinators, flowers use not only color, odor, and nectar, but also a similar wave beacon, powerful and unstoppable. Additionally he found out that the males of many species of beetles (especially Rhinoceros beetles) have horn cavities that are CSE indicators of specific parameters, which help them to find partners to each other.(1, 2)



    Rhinoceros beetle (probably Xylotrupes gideon) in Bali 2010. According to Grebennikov (1987) male beetles horn cavities are CSE indicators of specific parameters.(1) Note that horns are curved and one horn is conical, looking like curved natural vortex surface.

    Update (April 29, 2011)


    Many secrets of nature may be solved by the recognition of the CSE. Interestingly, it is a mystery how Pelicans know when Lake Eyre is filling in the deserts of central Australia. According to Grebennikov distant rain creates powerful CSE field that has its impact on a large area. The CSE is created by the movement of multi-layered grid of water drops and gaps between them.(2) Maybe Australian Pelicans can detect and indentify distant rains with their bill cavities. Furthermore, there could be many species of birds that can detect CSE.

    August 16, 2010

    References

    (1) Grebennikov, Viktor S. 1987. Miracles in the Sieve. Translated by Yahoo! Babel Fish and Google Translate. Retrieved August 16, 2010, from http://www.matri-x.ru/book_foto.shtml

    (2) KeelyNet. 2001. The Natural Phenomena of AntiGravitation and Invisibility in Insects due to the Grebennikov Cavity Structure Effect (CSE). Retrieved August 13, 2010, from http://keelynet.com/greb/greb.htm

    (3) Frolov, Alexander V. 2005. An Antigravity Platform of V.S. Grebennikov. In New Energy Technologies 3(22): 58-74 (2005). Retrieved August 16, 2010, from http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn2/greb2.htm

    (4) Frolov, Alexander V. 2001. Calculation of the Effect of Many-Cavity Structures (Cell Structures). In New Energy Technologies 4: 67-68 (2001). Retrieved August 13, 2010, from http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn2/greb2.htm

    Figures

    1,2,3 Grebennikov, Viktor S. 1995. My World. Retrieved August 16, 2010, from http://www.matri-x.ru/book_foto.shtml


    The above information was sourced at Ville's Research.

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    Russel Martin hoax video explanation:

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    G'day 42,

    Thanks for posting the fess-up video from Russel.

    I thought it more than a bit strange that Martin achieved a hovering suspension, when Grebennikov had simply demonstrated some form of repulsion.

    Hard to imagine Martin's motive, other than to have a good laugh

    All the Best,

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    Here's another video...well it's more of a number of videos within a video, as TheRealVerbz has filmed his computer screen whist running a clip that isn't on YT. So much of this information is not easily available, and then it's in Russian or Italian, that you gotta take what you can get.

    There is some new footage, but TheRealVerbz, who does the commentary makes a couple of possible clunkers, mentioning both magnetic repulsion and the piezo-electric effect.

    Grebennikov also demonstrates the effect of a pyramid vortex on his elytra, which was pretty interesting.

    I had to skim through it again to ensure that Russel Martin wasn't present, and he is not . So, "no strings attached" .



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    I remember seeing this exact video a few years back - it really is amazing and seems to be 100% authentic although completely off the planet weird! Replication is a central pillar of wisdom, if you cannot repeat a phenomenon then it is relegated to the category of 'miracle' or Magic - I just wish this could be done again, and actually distributed for people to use, why do these things always seem to get pushed onto dusty shelves in wizard's caves?

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    So, OK maybe it's a bit factually wobbly! However I feel that the idea contains an interesting area for research. I have many times read the statement that bees, especially bumblebees, should not be able to fly as they are totally non-aerodynamic. But they do! Maybe it is the chiton on their bodies, or the energy from the cavity shape, though that idea seems more easily applied to beetles. Certainly this is an original area for study. Maybe it will lead somewhere, though the original researcher was afraid it would have a detrimental effect on the Serbian insect he was studying, as people could wipe them out for their chiton body casings. We humans can't be trusted!

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    My theory about how this happen is that the Elytrons are like antenas, concetrating energy and tunning on the frequencies necesary to produce the effect, and maybe the sound produced by the bug creates a resonance in addition to this, one way or another is really fascinating !

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    G'day All,

    Quote Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
    I just wish this could be done again, and actually distributed for people to use...
    Well, Grebennivok certainly played his cards close to his chest, and perhaps it paid off: at least the bug remains anonymous, so what perhaps was an endangered species lives on, and that is so important too. It is a pity that Jerry Decker (Video 2 in the OP) was not able to glean more information from Grebennivok, as there's a likelihood that this nano-structure may have been able to be replicated.

    Quote Posted by Ellisa (here)
    I have many times read the statement that bees, especially bumblebees, should not be able to fly as they are totally non-aerodynamic.
    Here then is a possible explanation, and I am sure that if we humans (who cannot bee trusted) put our minds to it, we could manufacture a chitin substitute. Then it would bee hover-boards all round.

    OK...Enough with the bee gag Heyoka!

    Quote Posted by Yetti (here)
    ...one way or another it is really fascinating!
    You're not "Whistling Dixie" Yetti! Although we are not going to solve the CSE mystery here, it helps to keep a child-like sense of wonder about such phenomena, and be happy with simply being aware of something new.

    Thanks to you all for your input. Much appreciated

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    For those who would like to read Victor Grebennikov's book "My World", HERE is a link to a Russian site where you will find it. It's in Russian, so you can use Google Translate if you are eager (really eager).

    For those who would like to simply hear a (for the most part) quiet reading from a book on his work, here's a video from BackToConstution, but please skip the initial 7:30, which are a bit out there. The video is around an hour long.



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    My uncle used to say that bumblebees couldn't fly according to the laws of aerodynamics... maybe this was the missing variable...
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    Quote Posted by sigma6 (here)
    My uncle used to say that bumblebees couldn't fly according to the laws of aerodynamics... maybe this was the missing variable...
    Viktor Schauberger proposed the idea of anti-gravity as a tool used by bumble bees many years ago. Quite interesting reading about this amazing man. He wrote about living water, free energy, and many other topics.
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    Billy Meier states that not only was Victor Schauberger's research for real, but, that it is what led to Germany's own flying saucer technology. Further, Billy Meier states that Schauberger was a true contactee himself.


    http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Bil...yettheyfly.htm
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    Yes, that is right -- physical spacecraft of earthly origin! These are nothing more than advanced development of the German and Canadian flying disks which were designed and partially tested as Hitler’s secret wonder weapons during World War II but were not ultimately used at the front. East of Leipzig in the vicinity of Prague, fundamental plans for the development of completely new flying machines were worked out in the BMW factory there and in Breslau, as well as in Vienna and other places. It eventually led to the construction of fireballs as well as flying disks (flying gyros) with a fantastic and unprecedented flight technology. The persons primarily involved in the basic research and further development of these machines were the Austrian natural scientist Viktor Schauberger (a genuine UFO contactee), the German experts and flight captains Miethe, Schriever and Habermohl, the Italian researcher Bellonzo, and many others. The disk-shaped spacecraft operated with conventional beam-powered propulsion systems or possibly, new types of propulsion systems.
    At any rate, the prototypes were successfully tested for the first time toward the end of World War II and gave commendable performances for that period of time. For example, in mid-February of 1945 in Prague, a flying disk ascended to a height of 12 kilometers (7.5 miles) within three minutes and almost reached twice the speed of sound in horizontal flight. The flying disk was able to hover like a helicopter and perform other similar maneuvers.
    At the end of the war, all existent flying disks, as well as their instrumentation and construction plans were to be completely destroyed to prevent them from falling into enemy hands. This project was not carried out in its entirety. Some of the plans and instrumentation were intentionally (or unintentionally) overlooked during the elimination and promptly fell into the wrong hands. One possible explanation for this is that the occupying forces may have confiscated these valuable documents. Whether or not this was actually the case is beyond my knowledge. According to the Pleiadians, however, secret Nazi groups escaped to safety toward the end of World War II, acquired the confiscated material and continued to develop these new types of flying disks -- naturally under a strict oath of secrecy.
    The Pleiadians verified back in 1976 that the largest diameter craft was as much as 100 meters (330 ft.) in length. By continually improving the propulsion, its performance greatly increased as time went on. Judging from appearance alone, these terrestrial flying disks are very similar to the disk-shaped spacecraft of extraterrestrial origin and can easily be confused with them. From the standpoint of performance, they were naturally no match for the exceedingly superior extraterrestrial spacecraft, not even with the most modern systems of propulsion.
    Since these terrestrial flying disks do indeed exist and are occasionally sighted, two contrary and equally false opinions have been formed:
    Those who are aware of the existence of the terrestrial flying disks are under the false impression that all such objects are either of earthly origin or can be traced back to deceit and fraud, and that extraterrestrial spacecraft are unreal and nothing more than mere fantasy.
    Others mistakenly view all disk-shaped spacecraft as extraterrestrial. They have absolutely no knowledge of terrestrial flying disks or simply do not want to admit they exist.
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