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    The bias from the 'remain-stream media' doesn't fool many people anymore; over the three years they've shot themselves in the foot with constant extreme, obtuse, bias

    The mainstream avoid the subject of MPs blocking general elections, they ignore - nay - go directly against the first referendum result. And after all this we will see them push for a second referendum. If I'm wrong I'll be the happiest person to stand corrected.

    For some reason the constant unmitigated 'remain stream media' bias hasn't won people to the remain side ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Here's a link to the usual YouTubers:



    EU Indecision Over Brexit Extension Interferes In UK Politics

    WE GOT A PROBLEM


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    Brexit: UK will choose to rejoin EU after making 'colossal mistake' of leaving, says John Major
    [The Independent]
    Lizzy Buchan
    25 October 2019

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-uk-...122710014.html
    Leaving the EU would be a "colossal mistake" but the UK will one day decide to rejoin the bloc, Sir John Major has said.

    The former Conservative prime minister said he believed young people would overturn Brexit and form a new alliance with European countries in the future, as the younger generation preferred "cooperation to separation."

    His comments come amid fresh uncertainty over the Brexit process, as EU leaders consider whether to offer Boris Johnson another extension to the UK's departure from the bloc.

    The prime minister is facing a choice between making another attempt to pass his Brexit deal legislation and pushing for an early general election amid speculation of a possible poll before Christmas.

    Sir John, who has campaigned for a Final Say referendum, took part in a successful legal challenge against Mr Johnson's decision to suspend parliament for several weeks in September.

    Speaking at the One Young World global forum for young leaders, he said: "Young people have been let down, they overwhelmingly wished to remain in the EU, whereas many of their elders did not.

    "I have been a critic of Brexit, and I remain so. I think it's bad for the UK, bad for the EU and bad for Europe, and a colossal mistake. Other than that, I have no complaints about it."

    Sir John went on: "Young people prefer cooperation to separation.

    "Even the most powerful nations in the world require allies.

    "In the end, the young are going to win because they will be here and the elderly won't.

    "One day, I confidently predict, the young ones will re-enter the EU or form a new alliance with them.

    "Who knows what lies ahead, but it certainly won't be conventional and it certainly won't be dull."

    EU leaders are expected to decide on Friday on whether there should be another Brexit delay.

    The bloc is expected to agree a "flextension" to the end of January - as set out in the prime minister's request - but with the option for the UK to leave before then if parliament approves the Brexit deal.

    Mr Johnson was forced to write to EU leaders to ask for a delay due to a backbench law known as the Benn Act. However he refused to sign the letter, in an attempt to make clear it was parliament's request rather than his own.

    As far as I can see its down to who you believe.
    Boris or previous Prime Ministers, Chancellors.

    The only reason that the opposition and some Tories want to postpone a General Election is that they want exit without a deal off the table--they cant trust Boris.

    This is the man who believes the end result justifies the means.
    He has shoved former cabinet ministers under the bus, the DUP and anyone else not agreeing with him.

    For all that he is charming likeable and may be right-- for the greater good!!!
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
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    The first vote was on a false premise--the sell Brexit campaign left the truth at home according to David Cameron and others--hedge fund inverstor who supported Boris and funded the campaign in part, made a very big fortune out of the result--a killing.
    These are facts not lies.
    Follow the money.
    ...
    People will be making money off both sides, do you disagree? What do you think of this YouTube video titled 'Lib Dems and Jo Swinson Linked to EU Funding' - but I'm not trying to defend either side here


    Didn't know what they were voting for

    It's crystal clear the remain side didn't know what they were voting for, because at the very least the lies about a European Army

    Look at the video in this Guardian link, it starts at the 3:40 mark.
    The Guardian

    Debate for Europe: Nick Clegg takes on Nigel Farage in second debate - video highlights

    Nick Clegg vs Nigel Farage! - The Great Brexit Debate First published on Wed 2 Apr 2014 before Brexit was a word


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ideo-highlight
    - - - - - - - - - - - -

    And here is Nigel himself responding to the usual 'didn't know what they were voting for', as he is as sick of it as everyone - it's only remain who say leave didn't know what they were voting for.






    Didn't know what they were voting for. Yes, that's right; I didn't know my vote would be ignored

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    Listened and it is fair comment YoYoYo
    I suspect the truth is some where in the middle
    Remain good for some Brexit good for others.
    Crash out bad for all as far as I can see.
    I get why Boris does what he does as none of it is going anywhere at the moment and thats not good either.
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    The main offending reason Boris is having so much trouble implementing the democratic result: MPs blocked all the calls for general elections

    I like the sentiment you're expressing though Chris. Once we have general elections I think things will shift to some kind of settling

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    Default Re: The UK Brexit vote to leave the EU

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Remain good for some Brexit good for others.
    Chris, it's just not about personal economics! You're the one who started these threads. (Among many others! )

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Remain good for some Brexit good for others.
    Chris, it's just not about personal economics! You're the one who started these threads. (Among many others! )
    Ah yes Bill but its on two levels--ultimately "Self"- God - Brahman is not concerned--there is compassion--non judgment-yet not condoning just witnessing--awareness
    So thats overall my point in this thread--however I dont condone lying.

    Part of me does not like that there will be "victims" of this no matter which way it goes.
    Part of me is just passing time waiting for "God"

    Ive got the T shirt done a lot--my ego gets bored--frustrated by the limitations of body.

    There is a fluctuation between whats left of ego and Self.

    Many will affected by the economics and thats also where the compassion is

    Self says--it is as it is.
    "God grant me the serenity
    to accept the things I can not change
    Courage to change the things I can
    Wisdom to know the difference"

    I cant change the mess called Brexit but I can kind of enjoy the chess playing--the posturing and accept it.
    As Mother Teresa said "They are all Christ in disguise"
    Thats as best I can explain where I am but its not that accurate--its felt rather than thought
    "I dont mind" thats a quote from KM when asked his secret.


    So there you go.
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    The first 11-12 minutes of this video, posted by kfm27917 here, could be ALL about Brexit. It's very, very good indeed.

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    Oh yes out of chaos.
    Havent listened to the video yet--downloading for later Bill.
    In the "Power of Now" Eckhart Tolle speaks of the increased polarity--the friction--the bad becomes worse the good getting better--before change for the better--all current structures may well break down and out of the ashes rises "A New Earth" as defined in his book of that name.
    Eckhart says The Universe brings everything about--not that many will believe that yet.
    Brexit is part of it--no worries.
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    Ground hog day. The real people have their say in Barnsley, get it done.

    Am I one of many or am I many of one ? interesting .

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    It's pretty basic stuff: a general election so people choose. Labour have abandoned people power, as have other MPs with weak support in the population.

    No way you can take no deal off the table since it is the foundation for fair negotiation. Here's my take on this (link to post in this thread)

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    "This is why I say, scanner, that people should be very clear whats in it for their "individual" self.
    This will serve the greater good.

    Its to easy to get into group mode and vote for Britain to be great again, a world leader--or against NWO.
    We assume we know what NWO is trying to achieve and yes it may be world domination but have they not got that through control of the media --banks -food-- power-- medicines etc?
    Maybe they just want to cause unrest.

    So to my mind looking at what serves the individual --serves the community, serves UK.
    Simple logic.

    Just too easy to get carried away with a particular well sold agenda--be it for or against Brexit,
    In short will you have a better quality of live--short term and long term?

    Or just sit back, stress free, and watch the whole thing unfold---a few surprises yet no doubt.

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    Leaving the EU doesn't imply a great empire again... the UK is a descended empire (past tense, its dropped and gone), and it's happy like that. The colonies we previously oppressed ... some of them are our friends now. Life goes on, and if one place does not have delusions of grandeur, it's modern UK.

    The UK does has a relationship with the world that most European countries don't. Turns out India is our sister, America our younger, but bigger brother, and France and parts of northern Europe our mother and father. Brexit is more about stopping a growing empire of the EU, which they denied all along right up till recently

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    You maybe right YoYoYo that an election only practical way out.
    SNP will welcome election.
    Referendum cant happen without Government finance--cant see that happening.
    However because of Corbyn being leader of Labour--they will get trounced at the polls according to surveys.
    If Labour get the guts to oust Corbyn, they might stand a chance other wise Boris will remain PM with increased majority--hi might have to take no deal off the table toget enough backing for an election though.
    Exciting times.
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    Quote ... SNP will welcome election. ...
    I believe the SNP have blocked all calls for general elections. Also...

    SNP and Labour consider pact to stop Boris Johnson calling early election

    The Times
    September 5 2019
    Boris Johnson’s election hopes have been hit by an emerging deal between Labour and the SNP to block a poll before the next Brexit delay.

    Jeremy Corbyn met Ian Blackford, the Scottish nationalists’ Westminster leader, today to agree that the election must take place only after Britain has secured another extension from the European Union.

    ...
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...ion-03jn0cxsf#
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    "This is why I say, scanner, that people should be very clear whats in it for their "individual" self.
    This will serve the greater good.

    Its to easy to get into group mode and vote for Britain to be great again, a world leader--or against NWO.
    We assume we know what NWO is trying to achieve and yes it may be world domination but have they not got that through control of the media --banks -food-- power-- medicines etc?
    Maybe they just want to cause unrest.

    So to my mind looking at what serves the individual --serves the community, serves UK.
    Simple logic.

    Just too easy to get carried away with a particular well sold agenda--be it for or against Brexit,
    In short will you have a better quality of live--short term and long term?

    Or just sit back, stress free, and watch the whole thing unfold---a few surprises yet no doubt.

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    The greater good, would only benefit the more wealthy in the Global society. 68% Voted to leave in Barnsley, that is obviously why they used it in the Video. The NWO is 100% elites, with no worry of where their next meal is coming from, or if they can afford their energy bills, just before Christmas. The majority of the population live in an, eat sleep work repeat existence. Little wonder they voted to leave, only to be told they are too dumb to understand the intricacies of the EU. What they/we do see is poverty in 21st century. Rich getting richer and poor just dying. Food and clothing banks in 2019. Britain is 5th richest country in the World, we have all this poverty and civil unrest.

    Britain will only be great again, if we leave the EU. We would just be a vassal state and nothing more. Ruled by unelected bureaucrats, living high on the hog, off money we are forced to contribute. I voted for, the future of OUR children and grandchildren, they are our future. To put them into a system of, sit down shut up and do as you're told slavery, is imho absolutely outrageous and wrong.

    Isn't that what happened in Nazi Germany 1940s, people sitting back stress free and doing nothing. Isn't this why they had the Nuremberg trials to stop any one nation controlling the rest of the World ? And yet remoaners, want exactly what millions Worldwide, fought against and lost their lives to stop in WWII. It has just changed its name to, EU nothing more, their agenda marches on with the blessing of the NWO elites.

    Sometimes you just have to stand up and be counted for the greater good.
    Am I one of many or am I many of one ? interesting .

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    I meant the greater good of UK scanner--not the elite.
    Your ordinary every day person.
    They outnumber the elite that's why I say they should look carefully at what the future holds.
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    I'll cut in to bring Jeff Taylor while it's still new. These things get out of date fast

    Jeff Taylor five days to Brexit day

    Are we five days from a no deal Brexit?!

    With five days to go to Brexit Day, MPs are all at home waiting to see what the European Union will do about it.


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    Yes YoYoYo a runaway train--lunch time news soon--may change things yet again.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I meant the greater good of UK scanner--not the elite.
    Your ordinary every day person.
    They outnumber the elite that's why I say they should look carefully at what the future holds.
    Chris
    I'm referring Chris, to all human kind. It's my belief, if we don't leave the EU without a deal, the Elites have won. This is more than just leaving the EU, this is a message to tell the elites, we're not for sale, we are not your slaves to do as you wish.

    All the Politicians both sides, as we all know, may have destroyed democracy returning to the UK. People
    are just waiting for the end result, I dread to think what 17.5 million people will look like blocking London's streets in peaceful demonstration.
    Am I one of many or am I many of one ? interesting .

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