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    The rest was an exercise in seemingly intelligent avoidance.
    Clearly then British politics is superior to American politics, which are at best an exercise in stupidly idiotic avoidance.

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    The rest was an exercise in seemingly intelligent avoidance.
    Clearly then British politics is superior to American politics, which are at best an exercise in stupidly idiotic avoidance.
    The political system here has been ongoing for many years more than the American one so our lot have had more practice at being economical with the truth Paul.
    The answers seem logical and intelligent but behind it al is---there is never a chance some time later of "But you said"
    They dont nail their colours to the mast or they could find themselves jobless.
    The situation is fluid, so is allegiance.

    The news says that Ministers are planing to oust Teresa May but not one minister will come forward and say "Thats a good idea I support it--im up for her job" Just too risky to their personal future as a MP.

    So who knows where any of this is going.
    Teresa May claims "Im doing what the people want they voted for Brexit"
    People it would seem are not allowed to change their minds.
    The media very quiet on the 5 million who have signed the Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU petition.
    The number signing is increasing every moment.

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    So who knows where any of this is going.
    Teresa May claims "Im doing what the people want they voted for Brexit"
    People it would seem are not allowed to change their minds.
    The media very quiet on the 5 million who have signed the Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU petition.
    The number signing is increasing every moment.

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    Really, who knows? I can predict exactly where this is all going.

    The remainers signing the petition can't have the slightest regard for democracy. Luckily for them they will get to discover what that means on two counts. Enjoy the show as we remain firmly in the EU dictatorship and Yes is warped into No. May is just playing her part.

    Perhaps the media could explain what a democracy looks like while they exagerate any problems with leave campaign. Ah no. I forgot, they can't.
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    Tantrum bandwagon ‘democracy’ - for goodness’ sake, we voted BREXIT, - get over it, no amount of petulancy can override what most of us wanted, and expect a fair deliverance. Stop all this mainstream-funded negativity.
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    Tantrum bandwagon ‘democracy’ - for goodness’ sake, we voted BREXIT, - get over it, no amount of petulancy can override what most of us wanted, and expect a fair deliverance. Stop all this mainstream-funded negativity.
    Yes avid but Scotland is a different matter a different economy--the majority voted to stay.
    There are more people in Greater London than the whole of Scotland so you can say that democratically the majority of the UK voted to leave.
    Thats one reason that the SNP is the largest party in Scotland.
    Its a can of worms.
    If UK ldoes exit the EU then the SNP will go for home rule and they may get it--then if Scotland joins the EU then there will be a hard border between England and Scotland--not a good situation but thats a possibility.

    This is why I say who knows where this is going ---long term
    Teresa May is doing her job but who is she working for?
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    Having lived in Edinburgh for years, and voted SNP in the 70’s, my family live there, I am torn.
    I am not a Sturgeon fan, and many nasty things have reared their ugly heads over the last few years - Holly Grieg, Alex Salmond et al.... I peeled the vile Scottish corruption ‘carpet’ back years ago and found the most insideous goings-on, back for many years, I am well aware from locale to national implications, that all is not well ‘up north’. Lots to do with oil et al, and the sneaky stuff in collusion with USA under the auspices of ‘national security’. Scotland is being ‘played’, a pawn in the globalist’s game.
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    Theresa May has ‘bottled it’ says Boris Johnson as MPs try to take control of Brexit

    Yahoo News UK Ross McGuinness,Yahoo News UK


    Prime minister Theresa May faces a crucial few days

    Theresa May is battling to stay in power as MPs seek to seize control of parliamentary business in a bid to secure a softer Brexit.

    At the start of another crunch week in Westminster, the Commons is due to vote on an amendment which would force a series of indicative votes on alternatives to the prime minister’s Withdrawal Agreement.

    It comes after Mrs May held “lengthy” talks on Sunday with prominent Brexiteer backbenchers, including Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and David Davis at her country residence Chequers to discuss whether there is sufficient support among MPs for another vote on her deal.

    But in his regular column for the Daily Telegraph on Monday, Mr Johnson said Mrs May’s government had “chickened out” and “bottled it completely” over Brexit.

    Defeat for the government in the Commons on Monday night on the plan – tabled by former ministers Sir Oliver Letwin and Dominic Grieve and Labour MP Hilary Benn – would be a further humiliation for Mrs May.
    Boris Johnson has criticised the prime minister again (Picture: PA)

    The proposal seeks to pave the way for a series of indicative votes in the Commons on Wednesday, effectively taking control of the Brexit process out of the hands of the government.

    Brexit secretary Steve Barclay warned the risk of a general election would increase if MPs took control of parliamentary proceedings and brought about a “constitutional collision”.

    But Chancellor Philip Hammond said “one way or another” MPs would be given the opportunity this week to decide what it is in favour of, though could not confirm whether Tories would be given a free vote on the options.


    At the weekend, two senior ministers – environment secretary Michael Gove and Mrs May’s de facto deputy David Lidington – dismissed reports of a “coup” to oust the prime minister.

    On Monday, she will convene her Cabinet in the morning before she updates the Commons on the Brexit process following last week’s European Council summit where she agreed to delay Britain’s departure beyond March 29.

    Bu Mr Johnson told Mrs May to set out “convincing proofs” of how the next phase of the negotiations will be different from the last to win support for her deal.
    David Lidington dismissed speculation that he could be installed as a caretaker prime minister under a reported Cabinet plot to oust Theresa May (Picture: PA)

    He said: “If she cannot give that evidence of change – she should drop the deal, and go back to Brussels, and simply set out the terms that so many on both sides – Remainers and Leavers – now believe are sensible.

    “Extend the implementation period to the end of 2021 if necessary; use it to negotiate a free trade deal; pay the fee; but come out of the EU now – without the backstop. It is time for the PM to channel the spirit of Moses in Exodus, and say to Pharaoh in Brussels – let my people go.”

    However, foreign office minister Mark Field said he would support revoking Article 50 if it became an option in the event Mrs May’s deal was defeated and free votes granted for indicative votes.
    The Commons faces another crucial week on the Brexit front (Picture: PA)

    He told BBC Radio 4’s Westminster Hour: “My personal view is that I would be happy to revoke Article 50 – I appreciate that is probably a minority view – but if we get to this utter paralysis and I sincerely hope that in the next 48, 72 hours we do not, then if that becomes an option that’s an option that I would personally take.”

    Meanwhile, The Sun newspaper used its front page on Monday to urge Mrs May to promise to resign in order to win support for her deal from Tory Brexiteers and the DUP.

    “Unlike so many she has determinedly respected the will of the Leave majority… She must now take the next principled step – and show she is not just another craven politician determined to cling to power,” it said.

    Speaking about Sunday’s Chequers talks with Brexiteers, a Downing Street spokesman said: “The PM and a number of government ministers met today at Chequers for lengthy talks with senior colleagues about delivering Brexit.

    “The meeting discussed a range of issues, including whether there is sufficient support in the Commons to bring back a Meaningful Vote this week.”
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    Jacob Rees-Mogg: choice likely to be May's deal or no Brexit
    The Guardian Peter Walker Political correspondent,The Guardian

    Jacob Rees-Mogg has strongly indicated he could back Theresa May’s Brexit deal rather than risk Britain’s departure from the EU being delayed or abandoned, handing the prime minister some hope that more Conservative Eurosceptics could shift to support her plan.

    Related: MPs likely to back soft Brexit or second vote, says minister who quit

    But with the government still deciding whether to bring May’s proposals to the Commons for a third meaningful vote this week, her Democratic Unionist unofficial coalition partners repeated that its MPs would not vote for her deal as it stood.

    It also remains to be seen how many other Tory MPs in the pro-Brexit European Research Group (ERG) could follow the lead of Rees-Mogg, who chairs it, with a number of them still insisting they could not support May.

    It emerged on Tuesday that May is going to address Conservative MPs at a meeting of the 1922 Committee on Wednesday night – with speculation swirling at Westminster that she could take the opportunity to name a date for her departure, in the hope of winning over more MPs to support her deal.

    Speaking to the Conservative Home website for his regular “Moggcast” podcast, Rees-Mogg said fellow ERG members had to recognise they did not have the Commons votes to deliver their version of Brexit, and should see departure as a gradual process.


    “We have to recognise that what we want and what we can deliver is not necessarily the same because of our lack of numbers,” he said. “The ERG and other Eurosceptics in parliament cannot win any vote on our own.”

    Rees-Mogg said May had effectively ruled out a no-deal departure. “The prime minister will not deliver a no-deal Brexit,” he said. This meant, he argued, the options now appeared to be narrowing to being between her deal and potentially not leaving at all.

    “That, I think, become the choice, eventually,” he said. “Whether we’re there yet is another matter. But I’ve always thought that no deal is better than Mrs May’s deal, but Mrs May’s deal is better than not leaving at all. And so there is a sort of hierarchy of choice.

    “And if the choice is the one that you suggest then, inevitably, leaving the European Union, even leaving it inadequately and having work to do afterwards is better than not leaving at all. And perhaps the thought processes that people like me hadn’t gone through before is the thought that Brexit is a process rather than an event.”

    Many Brexiters had viewed the process as being “29 March, we leave, that’s it, bingo, done”, Rees-Mogg added, and had to adjust their expectations. He said: “If we take this deal we are legally out of the European Union.”

    While the news will buoy May ahead of Wednesday’s intervention by MPs to take control of the Commons timetable and hold a series of indicative votes to potentially find a consensus Brexit agreement, it appears she still does not have the necessary votes.

    A series of other ERG members remain resolutely opposed to backing May’s plan, with one, Andrea Jenkyns, tweeting that it was “fake news” to suggest she might change her mind.

    May also needs the DUP’s 10 votes, which remains unlikely. On Tuesday, the DUP MP Jim Shannon insisted the party could not back the plan. “The obvious thing for us is that nothing has changed,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

    The only way for the DUP to support the plan, he said, was for the government to attach a time limit to the backstop insurance policy for the Irish border, which the EU has repeatedly ruled out.

    “We had only one red line, and that red line was clear – the backstop. And that hasn’t changed,” Shannon said.

    A change of heart by the ERG would not affect this, he said: “They maybe see Brexit as the greater issue, rather than the union. We see the union as the big issue, the priority.”
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    With days to go, still no one knows what Brexit means. Revoking Article 50 is the only way to avoid disaster
    The Independent Sean O'Grady,The independent


    With days to go, still no one knows what Brexit means. Revoking Article 50 is the only way to avoid disaster

    So, then with four days to go until Brexit Day – 29 March at 11pm remains the legal position – and Great Britain, cradle of democracy, home to the enlightenment, inventor of the jet engine, penicillin and the internet hasn’t quite been able to determine:

    What the House of Commons wants, or;
    How the House of Commons will decide what it wants, or;
    When we are going to leave the European Union, or;
    Under what terms we will leave the EU, or;
    If we are going to leave the EU at all, or;
    Whether the people will be given their “final say” on Europe.

    It is sometimes said that the British have a special talent for improvisation, and are at their best when they have their backs to the wall, the Dunkirk spirit and all that; but this is ridiculous. It’s bad for business too; the reputation of the country is sinking every day.

    A series of “indicative” votes by MPs this week are unlikely to resolve anything. The MPs, a sophisticated electorate, are even having trouble deciding how they will be making their decision – the voting method, system of counting and so on. One of the hallmarks of the Brexit process is how much of the wrangling has been procedural – boring but vital. As with Speaker Bercow's decisions on tabling amendments or “meaningful” votes that are meaningless – though they’ve been very important. They are, however, also another symptom of a chronic level of deep and bitter division that reflects the one we see in society as a whole. It is that division that people are tired of.

    The answer to all of this is perfectly clear. We do need more time to think, though I’m not sure we’re going to take it. The only sure way to buy this time is by revoking Article 50, which incidentally means electing members of the European Parliament in the summer. Millions of people have signed a petition in in record time to achieve just that.

    Revoking Article 50 – a unilateral act that could be done in minutes by Ms May via an email to Donald Tusk – may not be thought to be politically possible now – but it may also be one of the very many unthinkable things that eventually have come to pass. Another example of the unthinkable becoming quite real is where we are now – being a few days away from a legal Brexit date, but not actually knowing when, if or how it might actually occur.

    When people say “the Brexit we voted for” I think we can all unite around the current situation as being the stuff of no one's dreams in June 2016: not even their nightmares, in fact.

    Given the choice between crashing out of the European Union with Theresa May, or staying in under virtually anyone else, very few would take the first option, either in the Cabinet, the Commons or outside it. We are coming, perhaps to a conclusion that there really is no such thing as a “soft Brexit”, because all the drawbacks associated with the May deal, the Norway and the Canadian option leave the UK worse off – less sovereign and poorer – than if we stayed in the EU and retained our votes and decision making powers.

    There’s a case for hard Brexit – but only if it is supported by a huge amount of preparation and policy-making to mitigate the ill-effects and to capitalise on possible benefits.

    Anyway, in the end, whatever the commons comes up with and agrees with the EU – and it will take time to re-start and fix Brexit – the final decision should not be for MPs to take. In 2016 the nation, quite absentmindedly, ended the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty and substituted it with the sovereignty of the people.

    That was what Ms May was driving at, clumsily, in her “I’m on your side” intervention last week. It is true, too – which is why we need a final say referendum to give public approval to the terms of Brexit, whatever they turn out to be and whenever they get decided. We could still leave on May’s deal; we could leave under other UK-EU agreed “soft Brexit” terms; or on “hard” WTO terms; or we could remain in the EU. Those are all realistic options to put to the voters. It is the people who should be making their choices now.
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    The Government Has Responded To The Stop Brexit Petition And It's Not Going To Please Signatories
    HuffPost UK Chris York,HuffPost UK

    The government has responded to the hugely popular Revoke Article 50 petition by shooting it down even as it approaches six million signatures.

    A statement from the Department for Exiting the European Union, said stopping Brexit would “break the promises made by government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy”.

    It added:

    This government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.

    But it was also announced the petition will be debated by MPs on 1 April in the Commons’ secondary chamber, Westminster Hall, and will be streamed live on Parliament TV.

    The Commons Petitions Committee said the petition – which passed 5.75 million signatures on Tuesday evening – was “the most signed petition ever received on the House of Commons and government petitions site”.
    The petition as it stood on Tuesday evening.

    MPs will also debate petitions calling for a second EU referendum, which has received more than 120,000 signatures, and another – signed by more than 140,000 – demanding that the UK leave with or without a deal on March 29, the Press Association reports.

    The announcement comes as it was revealed senior Tory backbenchers will demand that Theresa May sets a timetable for her resignation tomorrow as their price for backing her Brexit deal.

    The prime minister will address the Conservative 1922 Committee on Wednesday, with party sources confirming that there is a “clear expectation” that she will signal fresh details of her departure.

    Committee chairman Sir Graham Brady has communicated to the PM that more “clarity” on her future would be welcomed by backbenchers, one insider told HuffPost UK.
    Read more on that story here...

    May Facing Resignation Date Demand At Tory MP Showdown

    The government response in full:

    It remains the government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

    Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in government.

    The government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK government.

    British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 general election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.

    This government stands by this commitment.

    Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.

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    EU cannot betray ‘increasing majority’ who want UK to remain, says Tusk
    The Guardian Daniel Boffey in Brussels,The Guardian


    Donald Tusk issued a rallying call to the “increasing majority” of British people who want to cancel Brexit and stay in the EU, hours before MPs were given the chance to back a second referendum.

    In a stirring intervention on Wednesday, the European council president praised those who marched on the streets of London and the millions who are petitioning the government to revoke article 50.

    Speaking to the European parliament, Tusk reprimanded those who voiced concerns about a potential lengthy extension to article 50 in the event of the Commons rejecting the withdrawal agreement again this week.

    Tusk said: “Let me make one personal remark to the members of this parliament. Before the European council, I said that we should be open to a long extension if the UK wishes to rethink its Brexit strategy, which would of course mean the UK’s participation in the European parliament elections. And then there were voices saying that this would be harmful or inconvenient to some of you.

    Related: Brexit extension could be until 31 March 2020, EU documents reveal

    “Let me be clear: such thinking is unacceptable. You cannot betray the 6 million people who signed the petition to revoke article 50, the 1 million people who marched for a people’s vote, or the increasing majority of people who want to remain in the European Union.”

    To heckling from Ukip MEPs, Tusk went on: “They may feel that they are not sufficiently represented by the UK parliament, but they must feel that they are represented by you in this chamber. Because they are Europeans.”

    In London, MPs voted to seize control of the parliamentary timetable on Monday to allow the House of Commons to explore over the coming days whether there could be support for alternatives to Theresa May’s twice-defeated Brexit deal, including a possible second public vote.

    That proposal, put forward by the former Labour cabinet minister Margaret Beckett, lost by 27 votes on Wednesday evening, the second smallest loss among the eight solutions to the Brexit impasse, offering some hope to campaigners in future votes to come. But EU sources said they were concerned that the UK parliament was still unable to coalesce around a solution, saying: “Our interlocutor remains the British government.”

    The Guardian revealed on Wednesday morning that the EU has pencilled in April Fools’ Day 2020 as a first day for the UK outside the bloc since 1973 if May fails to ratify her deal but seeks a long extension of article 50 on the basis that a new plan has emerged.

    The former Ukip leader Nigel Farage responded to Tusk by describing him as “deluded” and claiming that a second referendum would deliver a larger majority for leave.

    In a pantomime moment, Farage turned to those sat behind him to ask whether they really wanted him to return as an MEP. He ended his speech to the parliament by appealing to the EU’s leaders to “get the British out”.

    Later in the debate, Tusk hit back, saying: “Mr Farage, you have presented passionate arguments against a second referendum. But the truth is that the second referendum took place in 2016 because the first one took place in 1975. And then a vast majority of the British public decided that the place of the UK was in the European Economic Community.

    “No, it was you who thought three years ago that it was possible to organise a referendum to invalidate the previous one. Then please be consistent also today.”

    Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, also spoke, saying: “No one is trying to steal Brexit from you, no one is trying to undo the vote of the British people” but, he said, the UK would have to bear the consequences of its decisions.

    He said the EU’s leaders last week had allowed an extension of article 50 until 12 April to “open the possibility to the UK to shoulder its responsibility – it is now over to this country to shoulder that responsibility”.

    Tusk’s comments came as the British government emailed the 5.8 million people who have signed a UK parliament petition seeking the revocation of article 50. The email informed signatories that “this government will not revoke article 50”.

    The European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, speaking after Tusk on the subject of Tuesday’s summit, told MEPs he awaited the Commons decision with interest.

    “The debate on China was far less complicated than the debate on the UK and I was saying to some of you that if I was to compare Great Britain to a sphinx, the sphinx would be an open book by comparison,” Juncker said. “Let’s see how that book speaks over the next week or so.”

    Barnier warned the British government that the Irish backstop, under which Northern Ireland would stay in the single market and the customs union, would continue to form the basis of the EU’s policy to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland even in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
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    Groan.... it’s beginning to resemble a plot from a ‘Carry on’ film, with Theresa May shouting “infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in for me!”
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    Quote Posted by avid (here)
    Groan.... it’s beginning to resemble a plot from a ‘Carry on’ film, with Theresa May shouting “infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in for me!”
    Agreed --now where is Sid James?
    They are all comedians--Boris for president---I mean PM--oh no.
    I only have so much laughter in me.
    However the most captivating soap on TV at the moment.

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    Yipee - "Brexit Day" !

    Don't need comedy politicians to "confirm" it - THE PEOPLE have already done that - sod the lot of them.

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    With Brexit , err sorry, British humour ...

    Rowan Atkinson aka Mr Bean singing the Ode to Joy for Germans ( wicked and far sighted as usually)



    July 9, 2018, Mr Bean appointed as new Brexit secretary:

    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/201...xit-secretary/

    can’t compete with ...






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    Brexit thrown into chaos as Theresa May's deal defeated for the third time
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    Theresa May‘s Brexit deal has been rejected by MPs for a third time on a dramatic day in the House of Commons.

    Parliament voted down the Withdrawal Agreement by a majority of 58 – a smaller margin than when they rejected it for a second time in February by 149.

    The result is a devastating blow for the Prime Minister, who has tied her personal leadership to the success of this Brexit deal – but it is now dead in the water.

    It means the UK could leave the EU with no deal on 12 April – in just 14 days’ time. It is more likely, however, that the UK will seek a much longer extension as it seeks to extract itself from the EU.

    For this to happen, the UK will have to present a new plan to Brussels by 10 April, which the EU would have to accept for Brexit to be pushed back any further.

    But the European Commission has reacted to the vote by stating the UK is now “likely” to crash our without any agreement in place. It said in a statement: “”A “no-deal” scenario on 12 April is now a likely scenario. The EU has been preparing for this since December 2017 and is now fully prepared for a “no-deal” scenario at midnight on 12 April.”
    Prime Minister Theresa May made a last-gasp appeal to MPs to support her deal. PA

    The defeat comes despite numerous high-profile Brexiteer Tories, including Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg, stating they would back it to avoid the possibility of Brexit being cancelled altogether.

    However, Mrs May was unable to convince the DUP to support her deal and nor was she able to persuade enough Labour rebels to get behind her.

    Under the terms of an agreement with Brussels, a positive vote would have qualified the UK for an automatic delay to May 22 – the formal date of Brexit.

    Read more:
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    Brexiteers gets up at 6am to replace EU flags

    Instead, the defeat means the UK now has until April 12 to ask Brussels for a further extension to Brexit negotiations – which would require it to take part in May’s elections to the European Parliament – or leave the EU without a deal.
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    What a game of betrayal and treason unfolding in front of our eyes. What do we expect when the Tory party voted a remainer to lead. She was always going to try to keep the UK closely tied to the EU, she never even took up the EU offer to have a free trade agreement.

    Interestingly Jacob Rees-Mogg commented that Oliver Letwin and his cabal supporters have been trying to stop the UK from leaving the UK. I suspect most politicians have been bribed to remain by the cabal.

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    It's all a big fake crisis.

    To stun us, into submission. Really, we should remain as calm as we were the day we voted.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    The political system here has been ongoing for many years more than the American one so our lot have had more practice at being economical with the truth Paul.
    I've always found this way of thinking fascinating. So when John Smith, George Percy, Edward Wingfield, etc., arrived in Jamestown in 1607, I suppose the idea is that their familiarity with English politics was reset to zero as soon as they stepped foot onto the continent, and something completely new began from nothing.

    It's similar to when people say that German is an older language than English, simply because modern English and modern German descend from a common ancient root. It doesn't really make any sense.

    In a way it boils down to saying something equivalent to "my ancestors are older than your ancestors," when they all go back to the same place.

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