Should you pay for spiritual services?

[ZooLife]

[Ivanhoe]

I don't ever remember hearing or reading of Jesus or Budda, or any true teacher of the One ever charging for their teachings or healings.
They were serving God (insert your favorite label here).
Does God charge us for his love or his lessons of living this life? I think not, except in the idea that as we receive so shall we give, or do onto others as you would have them do unto you.
Mankind seems to be the only creature that puts a monetary price on everything.

[ghostrider]

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks... if they are talking money ovr spirit, it tells you all you need to know...

[LindyLou22]

If you receive any services, spiritual or otherwise, from a human being living in the physical world, DON'T LOOK FOR REASONS TO STIFF THEM.

Am I shouting? I most certainly am.

I've worked in 2 areas where people expect services for free. First, I was a classical singer. Can't tell you how many people would pay top dollar for their wedding photographer yet propose that I sing their event for free "for the exposure." Politicians were big for that, too. Ironically, the churches always managed to pay a decent wage for my service.

Now I'm a licensed massage therapist whose work relies heavily on having an open heart and using Reiki and ho'oponopono. I consider these far more healing than the actual massage. Luckily, I can charge for the massage, because the real work is something some clients don't even believe in.

In the meantime, Wells Fargo doesn't care how open my heart is, they want their mortgage payment in full and on time. Same for property taxes, monthly office rent, and trips to the grocery store, doctor, and dentist.

Again, don't look for reasons to stiff anyone who does spiritual work on your behalf.

[LindyLou22]

I don't ever remember hearing or reading of Jesus or Budda, or any true teacher of the One ever charging for their teachings or healings.
They were serving God (insert your favorite label here).
Does God charge us for his love or his lessons of living this life? I think not, except in the idea that as we receive so shall we give, or do onto others as you would have them do unto you.
Mankind seems to be the only creature that puts a monetary price on everything.

Absurd. Does God need to charge anyone? When was the last time God received a $5000 property tax bill for his below-median home? As far as Jesus or Buddha, presuming they had no money is equally absurd. Somebody paid for that last supper and all the suppers before it. Unless, of course, they were all miracles.

[ZooLife]

Commerce and Spirit, like oil and vinegar. Shake vigorously and it sure seems they are mixed but when the shaking stops....

[Bluegreen]

Last I heard David Miscavige is living pretty large


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Enough with the jokes already: Yes
And no joke: Caveat Emptor

[Ivanhoe]

So this is what I mean,... I don't say that we shouldn't give in return, but if money is the expected reward then most of us would be excluded from receiving any knowledge whatsoever.
It's clear I touched a nerve, dear, so I will withdraw any more comments from this thread. No reason to be rude or create conflict over this.
Have a nice day.:zip lips:

[Alpha141]

Great topic and contribution all.

For myself. It is about Energy Exchange. I don't wait for someone to set a value on what they do. I value them first and foremost. Proactively. I have found for healings etc when i came to this perspective. My healings were very very effective for example. As, i contribute via my intent powerfully to my own resolution.

I value the effort someone has gone through in a committed way in the creation of who they are. This is a part for me living a ceremonial life. I see my energy as an investment in them for their wisdom, talent, dedication and what great work they may do for the collective after i move on etc. Not just for me. But, for all they may contribute in a positive way after my involvement. On every level. It might actually be MY effort with this intent energetically attached to my offering that actually contributes to their continued effort from that point. I might be the energy that empowers their will to keep going. When, they are looking to find a reason themselves to keep going.

Being a facilitator is not easy. It is courageous in this reality. When the greater portion of the society are dominated by ego (not preaching to the majority here guys) and have enormous Shadow Self resolution potential resulting in a reluctance to be proactive on Conscious Exploring. Resulting in those who do facilitate getting beaten up a fair bit. For instance. The 'fear' of being ripped off etc can usually be traced to the Egoic defense wanting to not resolve an issue. Potentially that healer being contemplated with some money investment justifies the individual to shut down exploring to keep that issue locked into to you. So, recognising this can be a confirmation etc. Some aren't right for you also. Experience is the key to Wisdom. The key is to develop the 'muscles' to recognise it. The money they may ask is to aid in their own repair to be able to maintain the level to operate as a facilitator also. Obviously there are many levels and more i haven't gone into.

When i choose to input that vibrational intent in valuing everyone for what and who they are. On a deeper level it is only a reflection of my own value of myself. It this affords a fast track for those like motivated, frequency, Service to Other beings out there to find me. I offer them a vibration to find me. By being the change. I am proactive on this to be generous for the combined effort therefore of individuals relative to the resources i have to offer. Thus what i feel committed to aiding in contributing to the shift for the betterment of humanity for us all.

I have posted alot of a good mate Andrew Bartzis's stuff. I did a Money one about a Earth based sentience created in the Money System back in April 2013 from all the Oligarchical Sex Trade money stored in Cypress at the time. All money does is encapsulate human life force. Hence what i suggested relative to Energy Exchange. Mother Earth birthed a life form that which will take over the Energy Exchange for Value system when this present debt based system falls. You won't hear this in the media. It is the reason for the BRICS being created to isolate it in an effort to contain it. Earth knows everything you do. The 'hits' i take from operating in a proactive way are know by her. Known by Mother Earth. I therefore know operating this way empowers her creation. It empowers it's growth.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wSvrSv20c_U

I hope these concepts offer something. Might be a bit challenging to explore for sure. There are rewards for it. The people who find there way to you for me make it worth it. Randomness...Synchronicity etc. Good luck all.

[Agape]

Posted by LindyLou22 (here)
If you receive any services, spiritual or otherwise, from a human being living in the physical world, DON'T LOOK FOR REASONS TO STIFF THEM.

Am I shouting? I most certainly am.

I've worked in 2 areas where people expect services for free. First, I was a classical singer. Can't tell you how many people would pay top dollar for their wedding photographer yet propose that I sing their event for free "for the exposure." Politicians were big for that, too. Ironically, the churches always managed to pay a decent wage for my service.

Now I'm a licensed massage therapist whose work relies heavily on having an open heart and using Reiki and ho'oponopono. I consider these far more healing than the actual massage. Luckily, I can charge for the massage, because the real work is something some clients don't even believe in.

In the meantime, Wells Fargo doesn't care how open my heart is, they want their mortgage payment in full and on time. Same for property taxes, monthly office rent, and trips to the grocery store, doctor, and dentist.

Again, don't look for reasons to stiff anyone who does spiritual work on your behalf.

Hi LindyLou, I think I completely do understand your point of view but 'spirit' and 'spirituality' really is not a 'method' .
It's not about the time and sweat . It's not about expecting rewards . Not about seeking rewards or winning the competition.
Spirituality is one of the least understood and defined things at all times because it's about character and power or will to do good, be good, be compassionate in critical circumstances , for the others.

If your 'spirituality' [ to put it the other way around ] can be switched on n off and payed for , it's not real spirituality .
Yes even among some of the well known 'gurus' many are probably double faced and that ruins peoples ideas about 'spirituality' .
People do think it's something you do in gym ( or church ) twice a week . Something you can 'do' ..

no you can't .

It's about who you are and no one gets payed a lot for who they are ( or very few ) and the rest you have to do anyway or try ,
if you're spiritual you 'bless the pudding' . It's proof enough ...



so no matter what you do , please stay spiritual

[Iloveyou]

Posted by Ivanhoe (here)
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don't withdraw, please


Should I pay for spiritual services? Yes and No.

Yes on the every day level. There's such a wide range of psychics, facilitators, counselors, healers etc., it's a business with usually for the most part clearly defined conditions. Why not pay, I know what I can expect and soon I'll see if it's worth the money.

No, because for true spiritual service there is no price (price!). It cannot be commercialised, it is always for free, it is beyond service/service in return. It can happen in a therapy session, during an encounter with a stranger, in an online community . . cannot be measured in money, in my experience. It is a gift. And it always depends on wether I'm ready to receive it or not.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

For me, it would come down to whether the practitioner sees it as work or not.

[ZooLife]

Posted by Iloveyou (here)

Posted by Ivanhoe (here)
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don't withdraw, please


Should I pay for spiritual services? Yes and No.

Yes on the every day level. There's such a wide range of psychics, facilitators, counselors, healers etc., it's a business with usually for the most part clearly defined conditions. Why not pay, I know what I can expect and soon I'll see if it's worth the money.

No, because for true spiritual service there is no price (price!). It cannot be commercialised, it is always for free, it is beyond service/service in return. It can happen in a therapy session, during an encounter with a stranger, in an online community . . cannot be measured in money, in my experience. It is a gift. And it always depends on wether I'm ready to receive it or not.

Spiritual exchange, that is what is happening. When that exchange is co-oped, the effective exchange is lost.

It's like when a musician sells out to a record label for fame and fortune and forgets why they began playing music in the first place.

I get it though, payment for spiritual service as a person seeks a balance between the spiritual and material, it's a precarious position. There is the allure towards the material side of that balance where the authentic spiritual exchange is lost, only to be replace by a shadow of itself.

There is nothing more disappointing, spiritually speaking, then shadow spirituality.