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    Default Gene Odening and Johan Oldenkamp - Self Education (Trivium)



    YT-description: Broadcast of May 21, 2014: The Seven Liberating Arts

    The special guest for this broadcast of Pateo Radio is Robert Eugene Odening, commonly named Gene. Gene is a well-known disseminator of the Trivium, which is the trinity of Grammar, Logic, and Rhetoric. Mastering these three basic arts enable us to get basic understanding of reality. On top of that, there is the Quadrivium of Arithmetic, Geometry, Harmonics, and Cosmology. Mastering these four advanced arts enable us to get advanced understanding of reality. The Trivium and the Quadrivium form together the Seven Liberating Arts (link). They were practiced in Ancient Greece, and later, during the Renaissance, they were re-discovered. In this episode of the Pateo Radio talk show, Gene and host Johan Oldenkamp will talk in-depth about these seven liberating arts.

    In addition Gene talks about home schooling, reality and un-reality, logic, sentences as thoughts, consciousness as identification and existence as identity.
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    Default Re: Gene Odening and Johan Oldenkamp - Self Education (Trivium)

    Here are two more in depth talks about the trivium and quadrivium (the seven liberal arts) with Gene Odening:

    The Trivium Method



    The Quadrivium

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    Default Re: Gene Odening and Johan Oldenkamp - Self Education (Trivium)

    From Jon Rappoport fighting a similar battle:

    Three substitutes for logic

    by Jon Rappoport Jun 28, 2016

    Since logic is no longer taught as a required subject in schools, the door is open to all sorts of bizarre reactions to the presence of information.

    Here are three favorites:

    One: grab the headline or the title of an article, make up your mind about how you “feel,” and ignore everything else.

    Two: Actually read the article until you find a piece of information that appeals to you for any reason; latch on to it, and run with it in any direction. In all cases, the direction will have nothing to do with the intent of the article.

    Three: From the moment you begin to read the headline of the article, be in a state of “free association.” Take any word or sentence and connect it to an arbitrary thought or feeling, associate that thought with yet another arbitrary thought…and keep going until you become tired or bored.

    You might be surprised at how many people use these three “methods of analysis.”

    The very idea that the author of the article is making a central point doesn’t really register. And certainly, the notion that the author is providing evidence for the central point and reasoning his way from A to B to C is alien.

    A college liberal education? These days it could be imparted in a matter of weeks, simply by hammering a small set of values into students’ skulls—along with requisite guilt and fear at the prospect of wandering off the reservation.

    Logic as a subject is viewed with grave suspicion, as if it might involuntarily take a person down the wrong track and dump him in a politically incorrect ditch—a fate to be avoided at all costs.

    Therefore, the practice of rational debate is on the way out. Too risky. Besides, the preferred method of dealing with opponents is screaming at them, shoving them off stage, and whining about “being triggered.”

    If you think obtaining what’s called a liberal college education is vastly overrated (and absurdly expensive), you’re right. Learning logic, instead, would be a good start down a different road.

    And an analysis of the principle of “greatest good for the greatest number” would be very, very useful—since it underpins so much of values-centered education these days.

    What does greatest good mean, specifically? How would it be achieved? Who would implement it? How would the implementation affect individual freedom?

    Wrestling with these questions would open up whole new territories of insight.

    As I’ve mentioned in past articles, when I taught a few basics of logic to middle-school students, the clutter in their minds receded. They found the ability to follow a line of thought—for the first time, they recognized there was such a thing as a connected flow of reasoning from A to B to C to D. The lights went on.

    The world may be sinking into deeper levels of know-nothing non-rationality, but that’s not a good excuse for trailing along down into the swamp. It should be a wake-up call to go the other way.

    No matter what anyone says, it’s not a crime to be smarter than other people.

    Jon Rappoport
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    Default Re: Gene Odening and Johan Oldenkamp - Self Education (Trivium)

    The correct order of the Seven Liberal Arts are:

    GRAMMAR - LOGIC - RHETORIC - ARITHMETIC - GEOMETRY - MUSIC - ASTRONOMY

    It`s being said that when Masons (or occultists) touches upon this subject in the public domain they consciously mix up the order (in the Trivium) for reasons of confusion.

    Here`s an example given from the 1826 book «The True Masonic Chart, or Hieroglyphic Monitor; containing all the emblems explained in the degrees of Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, Master Mason, Mark Master, Past Master, Most Excellent Master, Royal Arch, Royal Master, and Select Master: Designed and duly arranged agreeably to the lectures, by R. W. Jeremy L. Cross, G. L.» where the author lists the Seven Liberal Arts and Sciences in the following (wrong) order (p. 30):

    GRAMMAR - RHETORIC - LOGIC - ARITHMETIC - GEOMETRY - MUSIC - ASTRONOMY

    By using the order of the Trivium recommended in «The True Masonic Chart» one may risk explaining (RHETORIC) something to someone without (or before) having the correct understanding (LOGIC) of it. And so further confusion arises.

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    Default Re: Gene Odening and Johan Oldenkamp - Self Education (Trivium)

    The Qabalah


    YT-description: In tonight's show we continue our discussion on the Trivium and Quadrivium and go for a full-blown as we complete this series with the Qabalah and the mystery schools with Gene Odening. Here we continue to learn about learning, logic, critical thinking, Hegelian dialectics, Plato, the Trivium, the Quadrivium, the 7 liberal arts, and freeing your mind from the box that's been built around it.

    This episode will free your mind. But before you continue listening, please be sure that you've heard the prerequisite episodes: #49 and #50 (see post #2 above).




    Gene Odening:

    -Mercy (sphere 4) and Judgement (sphere 5) are opposites. Normally judgment without mercy is tyranny. And mercy without judgement is weakness, or other undicipline. The goal is to be in balance -which the centre pillar of equilibrium stands for.

    -If we place Earth (sphere 10) over Daat and put our hand where the Earth used to be we will see a symmetrical pattern which is the Tree of Knowledge about Good and Evil.

    -The Tree is an expression of the fall of man (fall; fallare (lat.) = to deceive) -a symbolic history on a diagram.

    -The word sacred is derived from sacrum which is the most stable position.

    -Some esoteric meanings of the feminine and masculine aspect;

    Earth -female, intuition, the holy spirit, mountain goddess, nurture, breasts...

    Heaven -male, thought, air, fly, hight, inspirasjon, birds / eagle / hawk, wings,
    winged disc...


    Sun -male, light giver, Ra-Jesus-Horus, sun disc...

    Moon -female, intuition, inner knowledge, spirit, cycles, push / pull, medicine,
    renewal, healing, tides, water / ocean, emotion...


    -Horus` left eye; feminine emotional right brain thinking.

    -Horus` right eye; masculine knowledge-logic left brain thinking.

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    Default Re: Gene Odening and Johan Oldenkamp - Self Education (Trivium)

    Rather than being my usual thread-killing self, I thought I would actually be a potential thread-resurrector for a change and post the following video. After all it's about the trivium and not wanting to add to Avalon's already burgeoning list of threads, I figured I'd post it here.
    In it, pagan author, artist and magician, Thomas Sheridan, makes the case for the Trivium not being the be-all-and-end-all of reason and learning and that it is, in stark contrast, the root of the witch-burning mentality which he claims has been prevalent since Christianity took over from Rome's pagan world view.......at least I think that's what he's saying??! Anyway, make up your own mind: certainly food for thought:

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