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    Sir John Chilcot's Iraq War inquiry report published after seven years

    UK went to war "before peaceful options for disarmament exhausted" - military action was "not last resort", it finds
    Invasion in 2003 was based on “flawed intelligence and assessments” that went unchallenged

    Threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were "presented with certainty that was not justified"

    Ex-PM Tony Blair says decision for action made "in good faith" and he will take "full responsibility for any mistakes"

    Families of Britons killed during Iraq War say conflict was "a fiasco" and do not rule out legal action
    PM David Cameron tells MPs sacrifice of war dead will never be forgotten

    Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says war was act of aggression launched on false pretence

    Iraq Inquiry says invasion 'not last resort'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-36714717

    The entire report runs over 3 million words, maybe one day some group will analysis the entire report and then maybe we will know at least some of the story as to why so many people on all sides died. It makes me wonder what the hell was going on behind closed doors in the US military and government

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    Isn't it amazing they spent all these years studying this issue, probably spent millions upon millions.....to ultimately reach a conclusion that I could have told you BEFORE the actual invasion of Iraq??!
    You wanna know what was going on behind closed doors in the US? I can tell you. They wanted a war "on terror" and had to come up with any way possible to get it. What do you suppose 9/11 was all about?
    I'd like to know what was going on behind closed doors in Britain. You should have known the 2000 election that Bush "won" was a total rigged fraud. You knew he represented the neo Con faction of the republican party and his family is one of the most brutal crime families in our history. You knew 9/11 was an inside job meant to start a planetary religious war and to remove liberties in all corners of the world. You knew the evidence for WMD in Iraq was total bull****. And yet STILL Britain followed these criminals into an illegal war.

    Lots of blame to go around my friend. Lots of people turned the other way and let their leaders do this crazy crap.

    I at least applaud someone for having the guts to stand up and say it was all illegal. I keep waiting for more dominoes to fall.

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    I think that it might turn out to be significant that an official investigation concludes that this was a war of choice and not of necessity.

    We all want change. To make an end to the lies, the corruption and the greed.
    Is it realistic to expect it to happen over night?

    I think this is important and especially in a time that there is this "exit" movement going on.


    here's Ron Paul's analyses of the Chilcot report from the Ron Paul's institute for peace and prosperity:

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    Flawed intelligence?

    I wonder how that sits with Dr. David Kelly's family?

    B-Liar was hypnotised by Bill Clinton (literally) and passed over to Bush jr, thereon in he was a lackey, at best, to do as Clinton/Bush so desired. Once B-Liar entered the world of private jets, mega-yachts, billionaires and power he sold his soul and traded the souls of millions of innocent men, women and children for his 'in' to the higher levels of the Club.

    He was akin to the wimpy kid at school that hangs around with the local bully, giving him his lunch money. B-Liar had a hand-shake like a wet fish (maybe this was coached out of him), always a good measure of a person I have thought.

    B-Liar does a lot of 'work' for the Clinton Foundation to this very day.

    @Matt.

    There were over a million people marched on Downing St to protest the illegal Iraq war, don't forget that. It was the biggest organised demonstration in World history (with all the other protestors from other cities around the World the estimates were between 10-15 million people).

    http://world.time.com/2013/02/15/vie...story-ignored/

    In the end it stood for the square root of f**k all. That's how democracy works in a free, democratic society.


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    Default Re: Iraq Invasion not the last resort

    Thx for the post bogeyman

    Quote There were over a million people marched on Downing St to protest the illegal Iraq war, don't forget that. It was the biggest organised demonstration in World history (with all the other protestors from other cities around the World the estimates were between 10-15 million people).

    http://world.time.com/2013/02/15/vie...story-ignored/

    In the end it stood for the square root of f**k all. That's how democracy works in a free, democratic society.


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    Hi Citizen No2 yes there was big efforts to say no to the B-Liar and the War-Scam
    Quote In the end it stood for the square root of f**k all.
    you could look at it as you have said but the actions of those demonstrations where not a totally 'square root of f**k all', they will keep coming back and haunting B-Liar and those rotten days!
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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    I think that it might turn out to be significant that an official investigation concludes that this was a war of choice and not of necessity.

    We all want change. To make an end to the lies, the corruption and the greed.
    Is it realistic to expect it to happen over night?

    I think this is important and especially in a time that there is this "exit" movement going on.

    The report is getting things rolling it seems.

    Former vice premier John Presscott (1997-2007) calls Iraq invasion illegal in hindsight and offers his apologies to all who died.

    I still think that this might be the beginning of a huge turning point.

    Quote John Prescott reveals his guilt at the 'illegal' Iraq War will haunt him for the rest of his life




    On Wednesday we finally saw the Chilcot Report .

    It was a damning indictment of how the Blair Government handled the war – and I take my fair share of blame.

    As the Deputy Prime Minister in that Government I must express my fullest apology, especially to the families of the 179 men and women who gave their lives in the Iraq War.

    Chilcot went into great detail as to what went wrong. But I want to identify certain lessons we must learn to prevent this tragedy being repeated.

    My first concern was the way Tony Blair ran Cabinet. We were given too little paper documentation to make decisions.

    I raised this matter with Lord Butler, the Cabinet Secretary. I asked him whether Blair had consulted him on the proper rules and practices of a Cabinet Government.

    He said that he had, and that Tony was not going to run it that way.

    In fact Tony ran it like a Shadow Cabinet, where the least amount of information was made available to avoid any possible leak of papers.

    These leaks had plagued Harold Wilson’s Labour Government and Tony didn’t want a repeat.

    This attitude can be seen in the criticism of the regular intelligence reports.

    These reports were based on discussions at receptions and prejudiced sources.

    As I told the Iraq Inquiry, the ­intelligence seemed to be tittle-tattle, not hard evidence.

    We now learn from Chilcot that even the intelligence agencies warned of the inadequacies or reliability of such intelligence sources.

    But these concerns were never referred to in any of the intelligence documents given to the Cabinet.

    A similar example was the failure to provide the Cabinet with the reasoning of the Attorney General’s judgment that it was legal to act militarily against Iraq.

    The Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith , came to the Cabinet, verbally announced it was legal, but provided no documentation to justify it.

    The timing of the decision was clearly designed to endorse an almost immediate action for us to go to war.

    In my evidence to Chilcot, I said the Attorney General in the weeks before the decision was an “unhappy bunny” as he continued to find a justification to invade Iraq.

    But the overwhelming matter of grave concern was our “special relationship” with the US and President George W Bush .

    In earlier discussions with Blair I expressed concern, to which he replied that every Prime Minister has to decide early on whether or not they are to become a special friend to the US.

    Tony’s choice was clearly to be that special friend.

    After the attacks on the Twin Towers and our justified intervention in Afghanistan, Tony’s special friend turned his attention to Saddam.

    My concern about Iraq was that any intervention had to have the support of the UN Security Council, like the US and UK secured after Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990.

    On top of that, any actions needed the endorsement of our Parliament and that to go to war with the prime purpose of regime change was illegal.

    Tony agreed to this.

    In the days after 9/11 , Blair suggested I visit America to satisfy my concerns.

    It was arranged for me to meet Vice President Dick Cheney in the White House. He appeared via video link from a secret location.

    I then spoke to US Senators and military personnel which left me with the overall impression that the Americans were going into Iraq – with or without us.

    A senior US senator told me, ­referring to the failure to topple Saddam after the Kuwait invasion: “John, this is unfinished business.”

    I informed Tony of this but still he expressed the view that his policy and purpose was a UN resolution, not regime change.

    And Tony’s note to Bush with that devastating quote “I am with you, whatever” was all the Americans needed to go in, without UN support.

    They wanted it over and done with quickly to avoid the heat of a summer military intervention.

    I am pleased Jeremy Corbyn has apologised on behalf of the Labour Party to the relatives of those who died and suffered injury.

    A day doesn’t go by when I don’t think of the decision we made to go to war. Of the British troops who gave their lives or suffered injuries for their country.

    Of the 175,000 civilians who died from the Pandora’s Box we opened by removing Saddam Hussein.
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