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    Default Re: Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura BP Gulf Coast Oil Spill

    you know it really is too bad that Wikileaks didn't send a copy to Jesse...

    nothing like a Navy Seal on a mission...
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    I haven't seen this posted but I apologize in advance if it has.


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    I'm still waiting for the episode where he gets together with his old SEAL buddies and they start dispensing some real justice. Words and laws alone aren't enough to take these people down; they use them as shields.

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    trustno1 I couldn't agree more!!

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    Default Re: Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura BP Gulf Coast Oil Spill

    ya gotta love jesse ventura

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    Quote Posted by trustno1 (here)
    I'm still waiting for the episode where he gets together with his old SEAL buddies and they start dispensing some real justice. Words and laws alone aren't enough to take these people down; they use them as shields.
    What's the betting that if the PTB fail in their agenda, that, they hand America over? to ..........Jesse Ventura!....President Ventura...sounds sweet.
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    Bit like World Championship Conspiracy Wrestling.

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    PirateBay INSTANTLY shuts down my browser these days!?
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    Default Re: Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura BP Gulf Coast Oil Spill

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    PirateBay INSTANTLY shuts down my browser these days!?
    Use VUZE:

    http://vuze.com

    ... works perfectly.

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    Default Re: Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura BP Gulf Coast Oil Spill

    Thanks for the VUZE tip, Bill.

    Let's dispel the BS about what Corexit contains.

    At 23:50 into his show, Jesse Ventura states that Corexit (used to clean up the spill) "contains arsenic, cadmium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, nickel, zinc, cyanide, chlorinated hydrocarbons." The video even displays this as a list on screen.

    This list of nasties finds its way into other articles too:
    Quote (Crude) Oil is toxic at 11 parts per million (ppm) while Corexit 9500 at only 2.61 ppm, and Corexit 9527 even less, the EPA calling it an acute health hazard. Corexit also contains arsenic, cadmium, chromium, mercury, cyanide, and other heavy metals. Dispersing oil with it increases toxicity 11-fold, suggesting a calamitous looming public health disaster.

    http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/072710Lendman.shtml
    But hey! Corexit is a petroleum-based dispersant, totally organic, so why should it contain any of the above, except possibly the last two? Arsenic to zinc are metals, admittedly toxic; cadmium, copper, lead and mercury are additionally classed as "heavy" metals because of their increased atomic weight. You don't need metals to disperse oil. So where did the metals come from?

    As we see from the Baltimore Chronicle article, there were two kinds of Corexit used.

    Quote According to Nalco's Material Safety Data Sheet for COREXIT® EC9500A , the Corexit 9500 A dispersant which is being sprayed by the millions of liters from Hercules Transport planes flying over the Deepwater Horizon spill consists of 10 - 30 % light, hydrotreated petroleum distillates; 10 - 30% of a trade secret organic sulfonic acid salt; and 1 - 5% of propylene glycol.

    The underwater dispersant, COREXIT® EC9527A , contains 30 - 60% 2-Butoxyethanol (2-BE) instead of the petroleum distillates, along with the same two ingredients found in the Corexit 9500 A.

    2-Butoxyethanol (2-BE) is used mainly in paints and surface coatings (predominantly water based decorative and industrial products), followed by cleaning products (especially degreasing or multi-purpose products) and inks, and as a solvent in hair dyes. The 2-BE in these products is basically all released to the environment, by evaporation in the case of surface coatings and to wastewater streams in most other cases. The OECD estimates that 200,000 to 500,000 tons of 2-BE is produced annually.

    The chemical does not bioaccumulate and biodegrades rapidly in sewage treatment plants, and therefore can be commonly found in cleaners advertised as "green". However, there is documented occurrences of groundwater contamination occurring when 2-BE is disposed of in landfills, where it cannot biodegrade as effectively.

    Propylene glycol is used mainly in resins (26%) and antifreeze or de-icing fluids (22%), but the US EPA estimates that 18% of the PG used in the US goes into food, drug, and cosmetic uses. Other uses include liquid detergents (11%), pet food (3%), and tobacco (5%). Production in the US and Europe alone exceeds 920,000 tons.

    Propylene glycol is so non-toxic that you could eat at least 2 to 13 grams per kg of body weight per day with no observable effects. ( Author's note: a reader has asked us to point out that Ethylene Glycol is also often used in antifreeze products. Ethylene Glycol is poisonous, possibly deadly. )

    Organic Sulfonic Acid Salt
    The real problem with knowing how hazardous Corexit products might be lies in the confidentiality protection granted to the manufacturers of chemical products. The main active ingredient of the Corexit is given only by its generic chemical name.

    Sulfonic acid salts are widely used by the detergents industry. Alkylbenzene sulfonic acids are the most common members of this chemical family, beloved for their low cost, detergent performance, and biodegradability. Here we are talking about truly huge quantities of chemicals produced, used and disposed of annually. For example, over 1 million tons of linear alkylbenzene sulfonic acids (LAS) are produced annually. 78 - 97% of that goes straight into the environment via the wash cycle.

    These chemicals are regarded as being of low concern, because they biodegrade very rapidly, especially in wastewater treatment plants. This facade of eco-friendliness masks a more significant issue: many organic sulfonic acid salts are fairly toxic to the aquatic environment, and can be especially disturbing to cell membranes of single-cell and other simple creatures. A 2005 study of dispersant use (German, pdf) for promoting biodegradation in marine oil spills found that the toxic effects of the dispersants may deter the very organisms that are trying to eat up all that nasty spilled oil.

    Unfortunately, the US system allows EPA to gain 90% of its funding from oil giants so it will protect them and their associates rather than the people suffering illnesses, having miscarriages and dying from slow-kill toxins in increasing numbers due to aerial spraying of poisons, burning toxic oil and the still gushing oil.

    James C Fox, the filmmaker in Louisiana recently interviewed on Intel Hub Radio, released footage evidencing the toxicity. The footage, now on Youtube (below), includes his team collecting water samples on Gulf oil explosion Day 70, before the police state crackdown in the area. Fox's tested samples reveal that just Propylene Glycol from Corexit dispersant in the water is approximately 150 times the toxic level for fish.

    The individual who analyzed the samples under anonymity stated, "The level of Corexit in the water is about 150 higher than toxic level for fish... and that's just the Propylene Glycol.

    "You do not need to see the oil to be poisoned with Corexit because the Corexit is in the water, not just the oil."

    Likewise, you do not need to smell it for it to be poisoning you, as Dr. Mark Sircus urges people to understand.


    The water sample tester stated, "People breathing this are going to have problems, "which is why Corexit is banned in other countries.

    "It reminds me of after 911 when the EPA told the people at Ground Zero that there was no asbestos in the air when there was."

    http://www.waterfiltercanada.com/corexit.htm
    You won't find any mention of metals, heavy or otherwise, cyanide or chlorinated hydrocarbons in Nalco's Material Safety Data Sheet for Corexit 9500. In fact, Nalco issued this statement:

    Quote Corexit Ingredients
    COREXIT 9500 is the sole product we have been making for Gulf responders since the spill began. Limited quantities of COREXIT 9527 may have been drawn from existing dispersant stockpiles from around the world. COREXIT 9500 does not include the ingredient 2-butoxy ethanol, an ingredient in COREXIT 9527.

    Both COREXIT dispersants have been approved by the EPA as part of the National Contingency Plan for treating oil spills.

    http://www.nalco.com/news-and-events/4297.htm
    So where did Jesse get this info on heavy metals, cyanide and chlorinated hydrocarbons?

    From the NCP PRODUCT SCHEDULE NOTEBOOK

    The URL for this document comes to you by courtesy of the Prince William Sound Regional Citizens' Advisory Council. (Remember Exxon Valdez? Once bitten, twice shy.)

    Quote The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) Office of Emergency Management Regulatory and Policy Division compiled the National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan (NCP) Product Schedule, as required by the Clean Water Act, the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (OPA 90), and the NCP. This NCP Product Schedule Notebook contains a compilation of product bulletins summarizing technical information and test results for those
    products listed on EPA’s NCP Product Schedule.


    TECHNICAL PRODUCT BULLETIN #D-1
    USEPA, OIL PROGRAM CENTER
    ORIGINAL LISTING DATE: MARCH 10, 1978
    REVISED LISTING DATE: DECEMBER 18, 1995
    “COREXIT® EC9527A”
    (formerly COREXIT 9527)

    It lists special handling and worker precautions, etc., and right at the end states:

    Quote X. ANALYSIS FOR HEAVY METALS, CYANIDE, AND CHLORINATED
    HYDROCARBONS
    Compound Concentration (ppm)
    Arsenic <0.005
    Cadmium <0.01
    Chromium 1.0
    Copper <0.2
    Lead <0.1
    Mercury <0.003
    Nickel <0.1
    Zinc 0.1
    Cyanide <0.01
    Chlorinated Hydrocarbons <0.01
    As you can see, these quantities are quite low by comparison, and are listed in exactly the same order as in Jesse's show. So now we know where he got them.

    Another fact: the heavier the crude oil, the more contaminant heavy metals it is likely to contain.

    Quote Heavy oil is asphaltic and contains asphaltenes and resins. It is "heavy" (dense and viscous) due to the high ratio of aromatics and naphthenes to paraffins (linear alkanes) and high amounts of NSO's (nitrogen, sulfur, oxygen and heavy metals).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_crude_oil
    Although Corexit certainly doesn't come out of all this smelling like a rose, I venture to suggest that the crude oil itself leaking out into the Bay of Mexico and along its shores may be a bigger source of heavy metal contamination than the dispersants used to control it.

    All this is probably a bit too subtle for Jesse and his intended audience.
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    Last night, I watch the short report made by Jesse Ventura's team about the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

    The most important points are:

    - The oil spill might have been deliberately caused.
    - There is an actual government plan to depopulate a vast area in the Gulf of Mexico (40 billions dollars).
    - Corexit is more dangerous for the environment than the oil itself.
    - Governmental authority have warned BP not to use Corexit anymore, but the spreading apparently keep going during night time.
    - There is a "business" connection between Corexit and BP.
    - 11 days before the oil spill, Halliburton bought one of the largest ocean cleaner company "Boots and Coots". (This one is quite hard to swallow as a coincidence )
    - Halliburton made billions of profit in this scenario.
    - Formal members of BP were placed at governmental seats by Obama before the oil spill.
    - The US army moved in the area serving BP.
    - There might be a plan to depopulate the entire area to turn it into the largest privately own oil production sector in the world.



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    Default Re: Jesse Ventura "BP Oil Spill"

    The second series of Jesse Ventura's presentations have been far more powerful than the first. Much more angry and finger pointing. It looks like they have been warned off making a third series.

    The Boots & Coots thing is screaming obvious. Jesse also raised the point that with all the right businesses under the one header group there is likely to be more shareholder value in a 'disaster' than there is in a properly run oil pumping operation.

    However, even though it stacks up like a corporate heist I'm still suspicious that there was more to it than profit. The explosion event itself hasn't been explained to my satisfaction yet. I suspect "exotic" technology was involved in the explosion. I still can't understand why the testimony of workers on the rig at the time say that the lights all brightened up until they popped. That's unbelievably odd. The reason given was that the engine driven generators revved up as they sucked in gas from the bubble that surfaced from the sea bed. That may well be true but it still doesn't explain why the lights brightened up and popped. The electrical circuits would certainly have had current sink regulators. Other than a slight boost of current up to a point where the regulator fully dumped the excess there should not have been a runnaway current surge to that destructive extent ( the headlights on a car doing 100mph are no brighter than the headlights on a car doing 30mph ).

    So, I feel we have been lied to ( yet again ) and if that's the case, what's really going on?
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