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    Frightening, fascinating and curious. Excellent visuals in this video.

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    I saw an article a few days ago about one in the China sea....








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    Most informative....thank you so much!

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    Causes Bettye ?
    If one examines carefully, [imo] Most of these 'sinkhole-related' are due largely to mankinds stupindess in construction [methods, locations, ground stability etc...]
    To illustrate this, some of the better-known 'pavement or road' collapses, show how much the land had been built-up... couple this to ridiculous mountain-hugging roads, buildings, it's no wonder they are susceptible to collapse...

    HOWEVER.........
    Since tptb are not currently targetting any High-rise [9-11's], with Directed Energy Beams, I reckon the whizz-kids are having fun world-wide...

    My logic ? To me it seems that the zones have been carefully chosen for most amusing effect, or, in the case of the one in a huge recreational park, exactly at the intersection of pathways, other times, just in the intervening spaces between properties... PLUS, conviently with GPR [ Ground Penetrating Radar ], or even Sub-Surface Laser use, the destruction teams, KNOW where the underground rivers are, so it is confusing the issue - - the '' geologists ''might then be led into blaming the 'Tundra', or the rivers themselves...

    Watch out for one in your area next ! AND look closely at the perfectly roundness, or { in the case of the one which followed a parking lot, for its ENTIRE length } , some planning to the Mayhem ! !

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    The extraction of petroleum, and natural gas, building of dams, mining,and the like is the primary cause ... the earth is made like swis cheese, slowly she collapses in on herself ... ( summary of explanations by semjase the plejaren ET) ...
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    DUMBS


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    What we think as solid isn't as solid as we think.

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    The ground under our feet is not all the same density/composition and so changes.
    The way we build in flood plains/dry river/stream beds etc is disaster waiting to happen and causes ground to sink, wash away from under.
    The way we build over streams hiding them under roads and buildings, all for a good profit of land that should not be used for building on,
    We have old and poor condition drains and water pipes that leak, washing away the soil from under the surface.

    Then we have Black-project underground Tunneling going off all around the country/world under our feet, how many of them go wrong?
    Then the Black-project DUMBS, how many of then collapse?

    BTW don't forget the world is hollow with lost of caverns which suddenly fill up from surface soils

    Always an interesting and quite creepy subject.
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    I saw an article a few days ago about one in the China sea....
    Not to compare, but this video reminded me of an elderly couple that lives one town over, who rarely left their home. This one day they stepped out for groceries. The couple returned to a mob of neighbors, rescue services, and the curious. Their home had collapsed on itself. With the help of generous folks, they now live in a brand new one.
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    A few of my own views on the subject:

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    From my perspective, it's another one of these catchy doom & gloom things but that's best explained by human bad plumbing/sewer/rainstorm drain systems beside water table fluctuations due to pumping out aquifers like in Florida:

    Why Sinkholes Are Eating Florida

    Marc Lallanilla, Assistant Editor
    Date: 05 March 2013 Time: 05:32 PM ET



    Florida is known as the Sunshine State, but living there has a dark side, as the family of Jeff Bush discovered when the 36-year-old man was killed after a sinkhole opened beneath his house last week.

    Authorities are now reporting the development of a second sinkhole in Seffner, Fla., just 2 miles (3 kilometers) from the sinkhole that destroyed the Bush home, according to NBC News.

    Sinkholes are an increasingly deadly risk in Florida, due primarily to the region's geology. The state is largely underlain by porous limestone, which can hold immense amounts of water in underground aquifers. As groundwater slowly flows through the limestone, it forms a landscape called karst, known for features like caves, springs and sinkholes.

    The water in aquifers also exerts pressure on the limestone and helps to stabilize the overlying surface layer, usually clay, silt and sand in Florida. Sinkholes form when that layer of surface material caves in.

    The collapse can be triggered by a heavy overload, often caused by a downpour or flooding, or when water gets pumped out of the ground. When water leaves the cavities within the limestone, the pressure that supported the surface material also goes. Depending on various factors, that overlying layer can give way abruptly, as it recently did in Florida, or gradually, said Ann Tihansky, a hydrologist with the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) in Florida. [See Amazing Photos of Sinkholes]

    And Florida's groundwater has been disappearing rapidly as the state's population grows at breakneck speed: By 2015, Florida is expected to hit 20 million residents, making it the third-largest U.S. state, according to BusinessWeek.

    To slake a thirsty state's population, Florida has been aggressively pumping out groundwater, destabilizing its limestone bedrock and contributing to the growing number of sinkholes, according to a USGS report.

    Nowhere is this more true than in "Sinkhole Alley," the rapidly growing region of west-central Florida surrounding Tampa Bay, CNN.com reports. Sinkholes can also occur naturally, but from 2006 to 2010, the number of sinkhole claims to Florida insurance companies tripled, according to BusinessWeek.

    Sinkholes are even more common in Florida during the winter months. "There's a high occurrence specifically in January or February," Tihansky told LiveScience. "And that's related to freezes, when farmers pump groundwater onto crops, strawberries and oranges, to protect them from freezing."

    The other peak in sinkholes in Florida occurs in May and June, which are typically dry months with the year's lowest groundwater levels, Tihansky said.

    These factors, combined with unstable rainfall patterns — the Tampa Bay region has had less than one-third its usual rainfall this year, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune — make sinkholes an ever-increasing threat to Floridians.
    Up and down fluctuations would also make for bending the upper layers one way then the other and ensuing cracks.

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Depleted groundwater is causing Beijing to sink

    by Justin Salhani Jun 26, 2016 11:40 am


    CREDIT: AP Photo/Andy Wong A woman carrying an umbrella to shield from the sun as she walks past a mural on display near a construction site at the Central Business District of Beijing, Thursday, June 16, 2016.

    China’s capital of Beijing is literally sinking into the ground, a recent study found. “An international study led by Beijing-based researchers has discovered that the city is dropping by as much as 11 centimeters (4 inches) in some districts per year,” CNN reported Sunday.

    The sinking is happening because of the city’s depleted groundwater, with central districts the most severely affected. The city regulates the instillation of wells but inconsistently applies it, the Guardian reported.

    China requires around 3.5 billion liters of water each year. Water management has been a struggle for the world’s most populous country, with droughts causing billions of dollars in damage and leaving many citizens and animals without drinking water in southern China a few years ago.

    “We are currently carrying out a detailed analysis of the impacts of subsidence on critical infrastructure (eg high-speed railways) in the Beijing plain,” three of the seven academics involved in the study told the Guardian. “Hopefully a paper summarising our findings will come out later this year.”

    The draining of water could deeply affect the integrity of the city’s infrastructure — especially buildings and the rail system. Problems could also get much worse, especially with sparse enforcement of well-digging regulations

    “There are some rules but the enforcement is doubtful,” Ma Jun, director of the Institute of Public and Environmental Affairs in Beijing, told the Guardian.

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    A similar thing is also occurring in Florida and California... via the pumping of aquifers to water lawns...
    So, aquifers depletion can account for an increase in these plumbing catastrophes in recent times.

    Now, let's factor in the "Electric Universe":

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    I have been looking at the reported changes happening around this planet and wondering what's really happening for an increase in the number of powerful earthquakes, storms and hurricanes as well as the considerable increase of plumbing system mishaps called "sink holes."

    Weather storms seem to indicate an increase in the spinning power of their vortex... water damage turning into sinkholes could also indicate an increase in the vortex power of circulating water... but I couldn't fit earthquakes into that model until realizing where these powerful earthquakes are mostly happening: subduction zones.

    What's the engine for subductions and oceanic crusts motion: convection cells in the mantle acting as conveyor belts (like some hydraulic gear shifts work)... VORTEX!

    There is an increase in the strength of vortex spins affecting anything having some "fluidity."

    That's an increase in the difference of potential between something and something else which is usually translated in terms of electromagnetism.

    Where could such an increase in potential be coming from...

    ... enters the "Electric Universe"!

    ... and our solar system postulated as a binary system. That's our sun and its postulated dwarf twin acting as the two poles of a charged capacitor.

    When the two poles get closer, the potential difference increases due to the shortening of the distance... up to a maximum when at closest to each other (hopefully not a shorting of the circuit where the system is reset at equipotential for both poles with a big spark).

    That's where I am at, at the moment and it's subject to revision at any time new data show up
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
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    This guy's got a good grip on the subject except he is missing why our sun is traveling in an elliptical spiral in a similar fashion as planets do around it... i.e. that the sun is "orbiting" around a twin in a binary system:

    [...]
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    The extraction of petroleum, and natural gas, building of dams, mining,and the like is the primary cause ... the earth is made like swis cheese, slowly she collapses in on herself ... ( summary of explanations by semjase the plejaren ET) ...
    Porous rock is where oil and gas are extracted from. There are not vast caverns left when these resources are taken.

    But mining for coal and minerals does create voids leading to subsidence, as anyone living in a mining are will know about - I do!

    So perhaps describing the earth as becoming a Swiss Cheese is a bit of an exaggeration. The earth is very big, and our mining, although locally very intense, with local effects, probably won't amount to much when you consider the total percentage of the earth's crust that has been extracted. (I expect there's a figure for that somewhere.)

    It's also worth remembering that all manner of weird events appear to be increasing in frequency. Nothing to do with 24/7 news channels and the fairly recent ubiquity of video cameras I'm sure...

    Interesting theory about solar activity and the speed of the earth's rotation. Should be easy to confirm as the sun has an approximately 11 year activity cycle and just compare this to sink hole activity.
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    Published on Aug 2, 2016
    A sinkhole filled with water appeared in the backyard of a house in Australia on Tuesday. House owners Lynn and Ray McKay woke up to find the small hole after being informed by a neighbour of its existence in the Queensland state town of Ipswich. The sinkhole with swirling water got wider gradually, swallowing part of the yard, and increasing to about eight metres (26.2 feet). An old mine shaft could have been the cause of the sinkhole.

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    That may be regarding to construction sites on certain land. However how do you explain sinkholes in the middle of nowhere on terrain uninhabited?
    Also, during that 1994 Earthquake in Northridge CA, we were there. It was a beaut. But just as a side note, one of our patients was the supervising geoengineer for the collapsed buildings, one of which was a parking structure for the Marriott. He told us that 8 feet down in Northridge is jello. Yet, there is commerce for you. Building Warner Center with high rises right on it. The areas on old Indian bedrock in the Simi Valley areas never moved.
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    Why has no one here mentioned Fracking?

    Take gas that's trapped in the ground out. It creates empty cavities, ones that were once filled with pressurized natural gasses. After a while they will start to give way due to the weight that's put on them (buildings. the earth above that's no longer held up by pressurized gas) then a chain reaction would follow.

    My theory anyway.

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    It seems that all the problems are in the so called "crust" of the Earth (35 Km/ 21 mil deep), where everything happens: eartquakes, volcanoes, sinkholes, mining and fracking in search for peroleum and other (diamonds, carbon, water), and don´t forget the drills for underground bases and underground railroads. The deepest we have drilled is 12 kilometers deep, they say. The thing is... this is the only place we, as humans, can live. With all those problems the Earth crust have, I wonder even if it is possible as some say, there are some "entities" living down there.

    Check out how the heart is from the crust inside down.

    http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...ace-of-the-sun
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    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    Porous rock is where oil and gas are extracted from. There are not vast caverns left when these resources are taken.

    But mining for coal and minerals does create voids leading to subsidence, as anyone living in a mining are will know about - I do!

    So perhaps describing the earth as becoming a Swiss Cheese is a bit of an exaggeration. The earth is very big, and our mining, although locally very intense, with local effects, probably won't amount to much when you consider the total percentage of the earth's crust that has been extracted. (I expect there's a figure for that somewhere.)
    I don't know if the oil matters, I recall a big leak a few years back and being mind boggled how long it took to close. A quick google search indicates Aug. 2, 2010, more than 172 gallons - sounds about right.

    That ought to have some repercussions, I would imagine. Hopefully no sinkhole though :/

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    Satellite weapons have to be fine tuned and tested etc.
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    Quote Posted by TigaHawk (here)
    Why has no one here mentioned Fracking?

    Take gas that's trapped in the ground out. It creates empty cavities, ones that were once filled with pressurized natural gasses. After a while they will start to give way due to the weight that's put on them (buildings. the earth above that's no longer held up by pressurized gas) then a chain reaction would follow.

    My theory anyway.
    Do you mean natural gas exists (pressurised) in some sort of massive void?

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