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    The prediction 24 hours ago was over 120 degrees F in the shade. Very hot for this early in the season..
    Holy cow, I feel for you. At least you've got A/C I suppose. 120F here would literally destroy the whole country and everything (and everyone) in it.
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    Seems all sorts going on with the increasing hot weather world wide...what's causing this... rumours abound re Nibiru..Solar storm.. personally I haven't got a clue but one of the best summer's here in UK

    Greece is in the grip of deadly wildfires as soaring temperatures continue across much of Europe

    In Sweden at least one person has been killed and dozens more injured by forest fires. Hot weather and persistent drought have seen wildfires raging as far north as the Arctic Circle

    Neighbouring Norway experienced its hottest May temperatures on record and has also suffered forest fires

    Parts of the UK are also experiencing a prolonged heatwave and the government has issued a "heat-health watch" alert in the east and south-east of England

    Cities across eastern Canada suffered a deadly heatwave in early July, with at least 70 deaths in Quebec province alone

    A heatwave in Southern California saw record-breaking temperatures in some areas including a sweltering 48.9C (120F) in Chino, outside Los Angeles

    Reports from Algeria say that Africa's hottest ever recorded temperature was registered in the northern city of Ouargla on 5 July - 51.3C (124.3F)

    Japan's weather agency has declared a heatwave sweeping the country a natural disaster, with at least 65 deaths recorded in the past week.

    An agency spokesman warned that "unprecedented levels of heat" were being seen in some areas.

    More than 22,000 people have been admitted to hospital with heat stroke, nearly half of them elderly, emergency officials say.

    The heatwave shows no sign of abating, forecasters say.

    On Monday, the city of Kumagaya reported a temperature of 41.1C (106F), the highest ever recorded in Japan.

    In central Tokyo, temperatures over 40C were also registered for the first time.

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/05/globa...wave-7685120/#

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    Not hot where I am sorry. a brisk 12 deg C. Beanie, thermals and and puffer jackets

    This article in today's Guardian might answer your question. Doesn't mention Niburu

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hats-the-cause

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    I've grown a Bougainvillea for the first time ever up here in Merseyside - outdoors and now in full bloom - Gorgeous !
    No complaints with the weather from me - takes me back to '76

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    Default Re: Weird, wild weather: floods, freak storms, giant hail, record lows, all over the world

    It’s called Summer. And it’s not even very hot. There were much warmer temperatures pre-industrial revolution.

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    While most people still worry about global warming, I am more concerned about the next Ice Age. A glaciation would present a serious problem for survival of our present civilization, akin to a nuclear winter that many worried about 30 years ago.

    Nuclear winter is all fantasy, of course; but ice ages are for real.

    Natural warming of the Earth reached a peak 65 million years ago. The climate has been generally cooling ever since. Antarctic ice sheets started growing 25 million years ago. In the last 2.5 million years, the Earth entered the period of Ice Ages [the geological name is The Pleistocene] and has been experiencing periodic glaciations where much of the land was covered by miles-thick ice sheets.

    There have been about 17 glaciations, each lasting approx. 100,000 years, separated by short inter-glacials lasting about 10,000 years.

    We are approaching the likely end of the present warm inter-glacial, called The Holocene. It’s time to prepare for the next glaciation to see how we can overcome it – or at least postpone its onset.

    Although we don’t fully understand the gradual onset and sudden termination of each glaciation, their timing is determined by astronomical factors – the inclination and precession of the Earth’s spin axis. They control the amount of sunshine [solar energy] reaching northern latitudes. The mathematics was worked out by the Serbian astronomer Milankovitch, but the physics is not yet certain.


    It is currently believed that a glaciation gets underway when a northern snow field [at latitude of about 65 degree N] survives during the summer and then gradually grows into an ice sheet.

    The survived snow field acts as a “trigger” for commencing a glaciation. Its growth into an icesheet is conditioned by the “feedback” as it reflects solar radiation and thus resists being melted by solar energy in the following summers.


    It is at this point where we can beneficially interfere. The effort involves two simple steps:

    Step 1. Locate any snow field that survives the summer, which can be done most readily by reviewing available satellite data.

    Step 2. Spread soot onto the snow field to reduce its albedo [reflectivity] and let the sun melt it during the following summer.


    Note that this proposal has low cost and little environmental risk – unlike schemes of geo-engineering to “fight” global warming.

    This is a serious matter. The most recent glaciation which ended only 12,000 years ago covered Canada and the northern United States, as well as much of Europe. It left us the Great Lakes and also many small lakes in Minnesota. The total human population at that time is estimated about 100,000 Neanderthalers and eventually also Homo Sapiens.


    The present population explosion started with the growth of agriculture about 8,000 years ago. Harvest of crops continues to sustain such expansion, but may become impossible during a glaciation.

    We don’t know if the human population will shrink to the “carrying capacity” of the Earth. The Neanderthalers were hunters; when they ran out of animals, they starved. But with likely supplies of unlimited energy and some human ingenuity, we may surmount this limit.


    S. Fred Singer is professor emeritus at the University of Virginia and a founding director and now chairman emeritus of the Science & Environmental Policy Project. In 2014, after 25 years, he stepped down as president of SEPP. His specialty is atmospheric and space physics. An expert in remote sensing and satellites, he served as the founding director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service, now part of NOAA. More recently, he served as vice chair of the U.S. National Advisory Committee on Oceans & Atmosphere. He is an elected fellow of several scientific societies, including APS, AGU, AAAS, AIAA, Sigma Xi, and Tau Beta Pi, and a senior fellow of the Heartland Institute and the Independent Institute. He co-authored the N.Y. Times bestseller Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years. In 2007, he founded and has chaired the NIPCC (Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change), which has released several scientific reports (see NIPCCreport.org). For recent writings, see http://www.americanthinker.com/s_fred_singer and also Google Scholar.U
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    ... but one of the best summer's here in UK
    Mate, you've got to be kidding. If I hear one more superlative attached to this heatwave I'll tear out my hair!

    Even the damn forecasters are doing it, last night it was 'tomorrow will be another beautiful day'. I don't call 90F and extreme humidity beautiful. No one I know thinks so either -- not after 5 bloody weeks of this without a break. We do not have A/C in our homes in the UK, on the contrary, we have insulation designed to trap heat!! I've hardly had one decent night's sleep in over a month. And I'm not alone! I'd much rather have 5 weeks of rain, or snow than this. At least then I could get some damn sleep at the end of a day's work. /rant
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    It's been one of the hottest summers here in Finland in years. Last year we didn't even have a proper summer as it was so cold and rainy! Now I do like warmth and sun a lot, certainly way more than cold. It's just that when you don't have a proper air conditioner, the hot 30 C air inside the apartment doesn't feel very nice either. It's rare to have wildfires here in Scandinavia and yet we've been having many! The leaves on the trees have been turning yellow and orange because they've dried so much, that's something that I don't remember seeing before! Hot times for sure.
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    Much sympathy to you U.K.ers!! Has Piers Corbyn spoken out about it?

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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Quote Posted by viking (here)
    ... but one of the best summer's here in UK
    Mate, you've got to be kidding. If I hear one more superlative attached to this heatwave I'll tear out my hair!

    Even the damn forecasters are doing it, last night it was 'tomorrow will be another beautiful day'. I don't call 90F and extreme humidity beautiful. No one I know thinks so either -- not after 5 bloody weeks of this without a break. We do not have A/C in our homes in the UK, on the contrary, we have insulation designed to trap heat!! I've hardly had one decent night's sleep in over a month. And I'm not alone! I'd much rather have 5 weeks of rain, or snow than this. At least then I could get some damn sleep at the end of a day's work. /rant
    No AC here, 100% humidity and 90+ for a solid 4 months... I think it's beautiful



    What your experiencing is a larger than normal differential, that's understandable.. but doesn't mean 90f+ can't be awesome

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    What your experiencing is a larger than normal differential, that's understandable.. but doesn't mean 90f+ can't be awesome
    I must be too hot-blooded, or something...

    Although I did once get badly sunburnt (in Mexico), and couldn't sit, stand, walk, move, for days without great pain. That probably had a negative effect on the psyche. I'm sensitive to sunlight too. If it's bright outside, I can't go anywhere without sunglasses.

    I guess I'm an oddity - in more ways than one - but whenever it gets hot, I just wanna hide myself away [like in southern Spain, where I spent many summers in my youth, I basically lived in bars full-time, air-conditioned bars, and never once went to the beach even though I was living next to one!].
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    We Brits, are more used to trench foot, than heat stroke I must admit I'm enjoying this spate of hot weather. It wasn't uncommon to get high temps like this back in the day. I hope it isn't a prelude to a bad winter.
    Am I one of many or am I many of one ? interesting .

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    "Sea level UK(I must move)....made me laugh out loud!!

    Star Mariner....I can't be in the sun either; must be my English-Dutch genes coming into play!

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    This is a weird one. A large area of Siberia went dark as night for about 3 hours in the middle of the day.


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    Reminds me of a Haboob - where it can get pitch black inside.. (saw these in the mid-east and outside of Flagstaff AZ)..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haboob

    Induced by storm system.. In the video I didn't hear of any storm in the area.. Seems that may be a good bit of research to look at weather conditions for a potential direction for explanation..

    Quote During thunderstorm formation, winds move in a direction opposite to the storm's travel, and they move from all directions into the thunderstorm. When the storm collapses, and begins to release precipitation, wind directions reverse, gusting outward from the storm and generally gusting the strongest in the direction of the storm's travel. Haboobs can also form when a strong thunderstorm weakens rapidly, and releases a microburst.

    When this downdraft of cold air, or downburst, reaches the ground, it blows dry, loose silt and clay (collectively, dust) up from the desert, creating a wall of sediment that precedes the storm cloud. This wall of dust can be up to 100 km (62 mi) wide and several kilometers in elevation.

    At their strongest, haboob winds often travel at 35–100 km/h (22–62 mph), and they may approach with little or no warning. Often rain does not appear at ground level as it evaporates in the hot, dry air (a phenomenon known as virga).

    The evaporation cools the rushing air even further and accelerates it. Occasionally, when the rain does persist, it can contain a considerable quantity of dust. Severe cases are called mud storms. Eye and respiratory system protection is advisable for anyone who must be outside during a haboob.
    WeatherChannel reports https://weather.com/news/weather/vid...iberia-on-fire there are EXTREME fires happening in Siberia at this time, so it is quite possible that a firestorm induced "haboob" was possible with the extreme updrafts and potential cooling/concentration of smoke and dust. Carbon soot from burnt forest and grasslands could be part of the particulates involved.

    (UPDATE - the weatherchannel video shown talks about the fires in 2016. Currently there ARE fires in the areas and there is smoke and soot present so thick and dense and massive that it is traveling all the way into CANADA). See next post and my later posts for the NASA data.
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    More on the sun disappearing in Siberia - (see Norman's post above)
    According to the regional news site Yakutia 24, the Eveno-Bytantaysky and Zhigansky districts of Yakutia inexplicably plunged into 3 hours of mysterious darkness between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. local time on Friday. Photos provided by bewildered locals show little more than the black shadows of trees and buildings cast against a reddish haze of sky. Adding to the ominous atmosphere, the air seemed to be thick with a grimy haze of black dust.

    "It was impossible to be in the street," witnesses of the bizarre event told the news site Sakha Daily. Other locals reported that it was suddenly pitch-black in their homes, that the mysterious smog turned barrels of water into barrels of mud and that nearby lakes emerged from the eclipse covered in a filthy, black layer of pollution.
    So the "black dust" was appearing turning water barrels into mud.. That then seems like the soot from the firestorms, and the "haboob" like effect, from a stormfront concentrating the soot..

    This is an aerosol map of the area, showing the highest concentrations of smoke/dust. BTW these Siberian fires' smoke is being reported as reaching Canada.

    NASA's Earth Observatory states, it's wildfire season in Siberia, and hundreds of fires have already burned tens of thousands of acres of forest since May. While most of these fires are hundreds of miles away from the dust-eclipsed towns in question, smoke and aerosols released by some of these fires have been tracked halfway around the world.

    One cluster of fires sparked on July 3 produced a smoke plume so massive that it traveled more than 5,000 miles (8,000 kilometers) in the span of 11 days, passing across northeastern Russia, through Alaska and into central Canada before beginning to weaken.

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    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    WeatherChannel reports https://weather.com/news/weather/vid...iberia-on-fire there are EXTREME fires happening in Siberia at this time, so it is quite possible that a firestorm induced "haboob" was possible with the extreme updrafts and potential cooling/concentration of smoke and dust. Carbon soot from burnt forest and grasslands could be part of the particulates involved.
    That weather report is from summer 2016. Also, the latest reports from this unexplained darkening refute the presence of dust. "There was no dust. Many were coming outside, so many witnesses can confirm that there was no dust.." It might be a plume from a wildfire, but seems kind of far-fetched - the affected area was the size of Italy. That's bloody huge.

    https://siberiantimes.com/other/othe...ay-into-night/
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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
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    WeatherChannel reports https://weather.com/news/weather/vid...iberia-on-fire there are EXTREME fires happening in Siberia at this time, so it is quite possible that a firestorm induced "haboob" was possible with the extreme updrafts and potential cooling/concentration of smoke and dust. Carbon soot from burnt forest and grasslands could be part of the particulates involved.
    That weather report is from summer 2016. Also, the latest reports from this unexplained darkening refute the presence of dust. "There was no dust. Many were coming outside, so many witnesses can confirm that there was no dust.." It might be a plume from a wildfire, but seems kind of far-fetched - the affected area was the size of Italy. That's bloody huge.

    https://siberiantimes.com/other/othe...ay-into-night/
    Sorry for using an earlier image link from WeatherChannel, so sorry it confused you - it doesn't matter the stock footage from weather channel showed an earlier representation if a point is being made about fires in Siberia generating black soot. It shows the effects of ongoing issues in Siberia from fires. People at the site described a "cold" was present and then the soot appeared and contaminated the ground. That is obvious then what is happening.

    NASA currently does show the soot from the existing fires. There ARE extreme fires happening in Siberia. That is the point and remains the point behind what could be causing "blackness" and something resembling a haboob.

    SOOT that has been coalesced (condensed and lumped due to extreme heat) can look like dust if white ash has been mixed in - it can even start to form hail-like particles in size. AND the Siberian report reports the black SOOT. That means fires.

    The Siberian area of Russia is experiencing a huge wave of wildfires in their taiga forests. Hot, dry weather complicates the outlook for getting these fires under control. Estimates of the amount of land burning at present have been as high as ten million hectares since the beginning of 2018 which is 38,610 square miles. Fires are dangerous, of course, and do significant damage to the area where they are burning, however, smoke is dangerous as well and can spread so much more quickly than fire as evidenced by this satellite image showing the smoke from the Siberian fires reaching Canada.

    The smoke released by any type of fire (forest, brush, crop, structure, tires, waste or wood burning) is a mixture of particles and chemicals produced by incomplete burning of carbon-containing materials. All smoke contains carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and particulate matter or soot and is hazardous to breathe. Recently though, a study was published in Nature Geoscience in May 2017 which discovered that particle pollution from wildfires, long known for containing soot and other fine particles known to be dangerous to human health, is much worse than previously thought. Naturally burning timber and brush from wildfires release dangerous particles into the air at a rate three times as high as levels known by the EPA, researchers at Georgia Tech found. The study also found wildfires spew methanol, benzene, ozone and other noxious chemicals. Residents that smell smoke or see haze in the air should take precautions against breathing too much of it and stay tuned to local air quality information.

    This satellite image was captured on July 23, 2018. Actively burning areas (hot spots) are outlined in red. Each hot spot is an area where the thermal detectors recognized temperatures higher than background. When accompanied by plumes of smoke, as in this image, such hot spots are diagnostic for fire. NASA image courtesy of the NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Earth Science Data and Information System (ESDIS) project. Caption by Lynn Jenner with information from Georgia Tech study (Journal reference: https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2960)

    Last Updated: July 24, 2018
    ABOVE IS the latest report, 24 July, 2018 and that seems clear to me.

    Reiterating, from my post above, this AEROSOL (meaning soot/smoke/particles (which can be dust too) map shows the locations and the spread all the way across Alaska and into Canada.


    From the Siberian Times - https://siberiantimes.com/other/othe...rctic-siberia/

    report: " that morning was cooler than usual. "

    meaning it could be that a cold front as described in the haboob formation was present which was sucking up the dust/particles/soot/ash from the fires.

    This is what a sand "Dust" storm looks like in Western Siberia (source Siberian Times):


    Do wildfires create their own weather - most definitely - (sorry it is from an article dated June 21, 2017 but the DATA is quite correct).

    Could the fires in Siberia be creating their own weather? Most likely - see from this report in New Mexico USA what happens in a massive wildfire:

    How a wildfire kicked up a 45,000-foot column of flames

    Quote This one (IN NEW MEXICO) was racing downslope, at night, directly at Winkel. Worried, he scrambled uphill for a better view. Near the top, a hot wind struck his chest, and he watched to the northwest as the blaze’s front rolled like barrels in 35-foot-high flames.

    He had never seen this effect before—few people have. Winkel was witnessing a blowup, an intense and sudden force, second in power to a nuclear explosion, able to boil stream water, melt dirt, and crack boulders.

    This one would spawn a horrific 45,000-foot furnace of smoke and soot, spin up 400-foot-high fire tornadoes, generate powerful updrafting and downdrafting winds, create lightning high in the plume...
    Extreme wildfires, in turn, create their own weather. As intense heat lofts smoke into the air, it forges a convective column that generates powerful updrafts. It carries fuel-rich hydrocarbons, a ­byproduct of burning vegetation, that can ignite like gasoline ­vapor.

    The heat also propels moisture that condenses into ­pyrocumulus clouds.

    These anvil-shaped thunderheads perch atop smoke columns and spawn extreme turbulence, downdrafting winds, and even hail that, rather than cooling flames, stokes them by churning out even more erratic winds.
    Do I believe the fires and their weather were sucking up dust, soot, particles - absolutely. As I said the effect reminded me of a haboob - the mideast ones' I have experienced personally as well as the massive haboob dust-storms of Arizona.
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    Montreal, Québec,

    It has been over 30C often hitting the 40's since june 15th. Had maybe 4-5 days of rain and lowest was close to 25C for 2-3 days since then.

    Never seen these temps so hot for so long. I have been living in the area 80km square round MTL all my life and I'm 43.

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    Montreal, Québec,

    It has been over 30C often hitting the 40's since june 15th. Had maybe 4-5 days of rain and lowest was close to 25C for 2-3 days since then.

    Never seen these temps so hot for so long. I have been living in the area 80km square round MTL all my life and I'm 43.
    Allo mon ami, j'espère que tu vas bien.

    What Capt'nNemo says is entirely true. i have more years here and I have never seen that. Us Canadians from way back (almost 500 years of French ancestry here in my case + the Natives blood) are used to cooler weather. It really take a toll on our moral, patience, etc.

    We also had one of the harshest winter ever last winter.

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    For Siberia, there are extremely vast lake of methane frozen in the permafrost there. If the weather gets too hot, this methane is released and is highly flammable.

    If that happens, we are in for a very hot planet, methane being also worst than CO2 for greenhouse effect.

    I wonder how the planet will defend itself.
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