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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e350fb07c16b

    On a warming Earth, seas inevitably rise, as ice on land melts and makes its way to the ocean. And not only that — the ocean itself swells, because warm water expands. We already know this is happening — according to NASA, seas are currently rising at a rate of 3.5 millimeters per year, which converts to about 1.4 inches per decade.

    However, scientists have long expected that the story should be even worse than this. Predictions suggest that seas should not only rise, but that the rise should accelerate, meaning that the annual rate of rise should itself increase over time. That’s because the great ice sheets, Greenland and Antarctica, should lose more and more mass, and the heat in the ocean should also increase.

    The problem, or even mystery, is that scientists haven’t seen an unambiguous acceleration of sea level rise in a data record that’s considered the best for observing the problem — the one produced by the TOPEX/Poseidon satellite, which launched in late 1992 and carries an instrument, called a radar altimeter, that gives a very precise measurement of sea level around the globe.

    This record actually shows a decrease in the rate of sea level rise from the first decade measured by the satellite (1993 to 2002) to the second one (2003 to 2012). “We’ve been looking at the altimeter records and scratching our heads, and saying, ‘why aren’t we seeing an acceleration in the satellite record?’ We should be,” said John Fasullo, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.

    In a new study in the open-access journal Scientific Reports, however, Fasullo and two colleagues say they have now resolved this problem. It turns out, they say, that sea level rise was artificially masked in the satellite record by the fact that one year before the satellite launched, the Earth experienced a major cooling pulse.

    The cause? The 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines, which filled the planet’s stratosphere with aerosols that reflected sunlight away from the Earth and actually led to a slight sea level fall in ensuing years as the ocean temporarily cooled.

    “What we’ve shown is that sea level acceleration is real, and it continues to be going on, it’s ongoing, and we understand why you don’t see it in the short satellite record,” said Fasullo, who conducted the research along with scientists from the University of Colorado in Bolder and Old Dominion University.

    The study was performed using a suite of 40 climate change models to determine how the Pinatubo eruption affected seas and the global distribution of water. The scientists estimate as a result that sea level not only fell between 5 and 7 millimeters due to a major ocean cooling event in the eruption’s wake, but then experienced a rebound, or bounce back, of the same magnitude once the influence of the eruption had passed.

    This had a major effect on what the satellite record of sea level looks like, because the bounce-back occurred earlier in the record and made the sea level rise then appear extra fast. So the researchers conclude that while no official acceleration trend can be seen in the satellite record now, that’s an artificial consequence of Pinatubo and should be gone over time — barring another Pinatubo-like event.

    “Our initial impression of sea level rise was not only influenced by climate change and the rate of change, but the response and the recovery from the eruption itself,” says Fasullo. “Those effects largely have ebbed by now, and once we get a few more years into the altimeter record, we should see a clear acceleration. That’s really the punchline of the article.”

    In fact, the researchers also removed the sea level effect of Pinatubo, and found that when they did so they could see sea level rise acceleration happening already.

    Another study last year, using a different record of sea level rise — global tide gauges — in addition to satellite data, also found that sea level rise has accelerated in the last 15 years.

    One sea level rise expert who was not involved in the new study, Robert Kopp of Rutgers University, praised the work in response to a query from the Post.

    The study, Kopp explained by email, found that the Pinatubo eruption would have caused seas to fall “just before the start of the altimetry record, the recovery from which was spread out of the remainder of the 1990s and therefore masked some of the acceleration that would otherwise have been seen in the tide-gauge record between the 1990s and the 2000s. This makes strong physical sense.”

    It also aligns better with actual observations from Greenland and Antarctica. Scientists have shown that both of the Earth’s major ice sheets have seen an accelerating rate of ice loss in recent years, which ought to help drive an accelerating rate of sea level as well.

    The key question then becomes just how fast the annual rate of sea level rise can actually increase. In one thought experiment recently, former NASA climate scientist James Hansen calculated the consequences if the “doubling time” for ice loss is as fast as 10 years — finding dramatic sea level increases as a result.

    “Doubling times of 10, 20 or 40 years yield sea level rise of several meters in 50, 100 or 200 years,” Hansen’s study concluded. However, it is far from clear at this point that ice loss is actually increasing this rapidly.

    So far, the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change officially estimates that the high-end sea-level rise projection for 2100 is lower than some of these scenarios, closer to about 1 meter (3.3 feet) by that year. But that has recently been challenged by new work estimating that Antarctica alone could add this much to global sea levels by 2100 if high levels of human greenhouse gas emissions continue.

    Fasullo says that debate — over precisely how fast acceleration happens, or where that leaves us in 2100 — remains unresolved. For now, he says, at least it’s pretty clear that the acceleration is actually happening as expected.

    “Accelerated sea level rise is real, and it’s ongoing, and it’s not something we should doubt based on the altimeter record,” said Fasullo.

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    Question Re: Seas aren’t just rising, the rise is accelerating [Debunked]

    Don't have remind anyone that lives along the U.S. coastal waters ...

    Via - Stephan A. Schwartz - Trends That Will Affect Your Future

    In Norfolk, climate change means dealing with rising water.
    The Dutch are there to help.


    Also ...

    What it might take to protect the world's biggest
    naval base from rising seas

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    I thought Obama was supposed to stop the sea level from rising. What happened?

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    I think people were confusing him with that Canute fella.

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    I thought Obama was supposed to stop the sea level from rising. What happened?
    Obama Promises The World

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    Ice age coming, now seas are rising, global warming is a real, global warming is a hoax, which one is it then?

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    Not buying this one....i have lived on the water for a few years Pacific west coast and have been around it in general for many years......no change

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    Quote Posted by Althena (here)
    Ice age coming, now seas are rising, global warming is a real, global warming is a hoax, which one is it then?
    global warming is a hoax, the earth is going through its normal cyclic patterns and we are headed into a 35 year (best guess) "cooling" period due to the solar minimum that we are currently transitioning into.


    I live on a tiny island in the ocean, we would INSTANTLY notice a difference on our beaches......

    there's been no difference.
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    the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change officially estimates that the high-end sea-level rise projection for 2100 is lower than some of these scenarios, closer to about 1 meter (3.3 feet) by that year. But that has recently been challenged by new work estimating that Antarctica alone could add this much to global sea levels by 2100 if high levels of human greenhouse gas emissions continue.

    Fasullo says that debate — over precisely how fast acceleration happens, or where that leaves us in 2100 — remains unresolved.
    Current and projected future landmass of the Tangier Islands, based on the Army Corps of Engineers’ mid-range sea level rise scenario of approximately three feet by 2113:


    Source: Climate Change and the Evolution and Fate of the Tangier Islands of Chesapeake Bay, USA
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    what if , it's the ocean floor that is rising ....

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    Quote Posted by Althena (here)
    Ice age coming, now seas are rising, global warming is a real, global warming is a hoax, which one is it then?
    Sounds to me that human minds don't fully grasp Universal Alchemy.

    Void of agendas and equipped with Universal Mind attunement, maybe a broader perspective could be apprehended.

    Maybe we could help co-create something ideal and purposeful with our expanded/awakened awareness.

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    Quote Posted by bluestflame (here)
    what if , it's the ocean floor that is rising ....
    Love your picture, bluestflame!

    I found more info on: https://theearthexpanded.wordpress.com

    Interesting...
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    There is some kind of acceleration taking place now, I can strongly feel it. Lately I've had a very strong de ja vu type experience which I really think was pre-life agreed upon and set in my destiny, I feel like I am speeding up towards my final destiny and fractions of my lost memory are bit by bit coming back. I think we are in for some kind of pretty overwhelming change, some kind of accelerating energy/frequency upgrade that is starting to become more and more noticable. Something is going on. Lately I have had several visualization and meditation procedures crystallizing into manifestation in a much more accelerated way, meaning that it now can take only 1 week between visualization/meditation/praying and manifestation, I'm not used to that. Usually it took half a year or so. I think we will soon discover life beyond our earth, I think that is part of it and then the consciousness will start to rise really quickly... I think something very beautiful is coming around the corner!

    The value of oil has dropped by -70% during the last 8.5 years, we are moving into a new era of energy. Once the Oil and all of its links collapse, there is going to be enough room for some substantial amounts of positive change. Maybe the banks will collapse on a global scale, how about that. (high octane speculation of course)
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    I thought Obama was supposed to stop the sea level from rising. What happened?

    This really made me laugh!
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    Not buying this one....i have lived on the water for a few years Pacific west coast and have been around it in general for many years......no change

    I was about to write the same thing eagle0027. I live about 200 feet from the Pacific coast in Washington state and have yet to see any changes here.

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    Colder right now than throughout almost all of history

    By Robert August 11, 2016


    And yet, our leaders keep on harping about global warming


    Graph from “Climate and the Carboniferous Period” http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Ca...s_climate.html

    And CO2 levels were higher than today throughout almost all of history.

    When you look at the above chart, you will see almost no correlation between atmospheric CO2 levels and temperature.

    Quote “The Late Carboniferous to Early Permian (315 mya — 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).

    “Compared to former geologic times,our present atmosphere,like the Late Carboniferous atmosphere, is CO2- impoverished!”
    Thanks to Guy (Terra Hertz) for this link

    “There’s simply no way for AGW and this chart to both be true,” says Guy. “Anyone who says they can’t see the fundamental incompatibility is either lying or retarded.”

    ====================================================

    As for "sea level," see this post here: Rising Sea Level and the Coming Coastal Crisis 2015 where, depending on one's choice for a reference frame, one could as well scream this kind of Doom-&-Gloom sort of headlines:

    "Holy sh**! WHERE did all the Water GO!?"


    © Vasiliki Mouslopoulou, GFZ Scientists look for remnants of paleo shorelines on western Crete. Red and blue arrows indicate paleo shorelines formed during the last 2,000 years and are today elevated up to 8 meters (26 feet).

    ... because land masses do subside or crop up mostly due to geotectonics but also from man-made interferences: Sinking Grounds... Not Rising Waters.

    I might as well repost this:

    =========================================

    Hervé 29th November 2015 21:33 Link to Post #16

    Re: Rising Sea Level and the Coming Coastal Crisis 2015
    Quote Posted by ks4ever (here)
    [...]
    ... don't believe a lot of claims that have been stated in the public domain. "Ocean Levels are not Constant and never have been."
    ... especially CEOs of companies selling consulting services, e.g.:

    Quote As the Founder of the Rising Seas Group, he works with businesses, government agencies, and communities helping them understand the financial risks of sea level rise.
    The one thing these scaremongers omit to specify is the "subsidence" phenomenon.

    Sea level is sea level and if some grounds show subsidence whereas others show uplifts for the same period... time to scratch one's head!

    If there actually were sea level rises, it would be uniform across the globe. So, how come I don't see the same amount of sea rise on the coast I live nearby?

    Simple: sea level is sea level and therefore, the islands used as text-book case for sea level rise are actually sinking! The similarity of the end results is what is played on to confuse people on the "global warming" political agenda.

    In that same vein, there is also a confusion that's being kept alive for political and "intelligence" reasons and that's the use of the term "climate change" instead of the more accurate term of "weather change"... see? Because "weather" is very controllable whereas "climate" leaves one with the impression one cannot do anything about it because it's too "big" and "natural."
    ======================================================

    Finally, there is a problem I see with extricating millimetres/year sea level rise out of an outrageous number of averages:
    • Wave amplitudes - storm or dead calm?
    • Atmospheric pressure -high or low pressure above the ocean area measured?
    • Tides - low or high?
    • Earth rotation speed - constant? Accelerating? Slowing down? ? Fluctuating?
    • Satellite altitude with respect to what reference point? Quasar calibrated? Subsiding/uplifting continental landmark?
    • Orbit fluctuations from asteroid fly-bys?
    • Etc...
    ... because if they can invoke a volcanic eruption for an apparent deceleration, why not invoke meteorite showers for their computed acceleration rate?

    Anyway, hopefully one gets the idea...
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    Not buying this one....i have lived on the water for a few years Pacific west coast and have been around it in general for many years......no change

    I was about to write the same thing eagle0027. I live about 200 feet from the Pacific coast in Washington state and have yet to see any changes here.
    one of the bars I frequent is about 10 feet from the ocean... I'm there probably 3+ days a week (it's where my tours start from for my company).



    as you can see there's not much beach to loose & even a little bit of ocean level change would be noticed very quickly as we have many endangered turtle nesting areas (the beaches) which are studied full time by marine biologists at the local college.
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    My feeling about this has been one of simple logic; if the "sea" were rising, surely we would notice a consistent rise globally. But we're not.

    One small group of Pacific Islands is even attempting to blame (& sue) Australia and New Zealand for "global warming" & the fact that the sea is rising (on them - "verified & substantiated") and they will soon have to relocate. I would theorise that perhaps it's their islands that are sinking??

    (And yeah, I live at a coastal city - it hasn't changed (rising sea level) since I can remember, nor has Auckland (where I used to live).

    Why would it be rising in some places and not others when it's all connected (one ocean?)

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-change

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ring.html?_r=0

    http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/cli...rising-anxiety

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/is...R=T#kiribati-1
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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    My feeling about this has been one of simple logic; if the "sea" were rising, surely we would notice a consistent rise globally. But we're not.

    One small group of Pacific Islands is even attempting to blame (& sue) Australia and New Zealand for "global warming" & the fact that the sea is rising (on them - "verified & substantiated") and they will soon have to relocate. I would theorise that perhaps it's their island that is sinking??

    (And yeah, I live at a coastal city - it hasn't changed (rising sea level) since I can remember, nor has Auckland (where I used to live).

    Why would it be rising in some places and not others when it's all connected (one ocean?)
    Hi Kiwi... thanks for a concise summary of my (TL;DR)* post # 16...

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