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    I came across this article just now. I'd not heard of this particular encounter (a very close sighting or a large hairy hominid by three reliable witnesses), and this is very close to the area of the hike I went on with Mara the and two friends a few months ago... read about that here, with some good photos to show the habitat.

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    I was aware that a solo hiker back in the late 1980s had been physically attacked by two large hairy ape-like creatures (read below), which were not bears (the bears in the Andes are small, rare and timid, and look like this), but survived the incident and was hospitalized with heavy cuts and scratches on his arms. But I didn't know about this 2013 report:

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    Another ‘monster’ sighting in the Cajas Mountains; British hikers and guide debating whether to release photos


    He is called Wawa Grande by the indigenous people living in the Cajas Mountains west of Cuenca. He was called the Monstruo de las Cajas in a 1997 German magazine article.



    He can also be called the monster that won’t go away, despite the best efforts of Ecuador’s national park service and a number of scientists.

    A Quito television station reported three weeks ago that two British hikers and their tour guide spotted the elusive creature in Cajas National Park during a three-day trek. The trio claimed to have observed the over-sized humanoid animal for several minutes in a remote area of the park in early April.

    “I have no idea what it was other than to say it was quite large, with light colored fur and had human characteristics. It was able to stand on two legs but also came down on all fours,”
    said Sean Worthington, one of the hikers. He added: “I am a scientist by training and not prone to make fanciful claims, but I cannot deny seeing the thing.”

    Worthington and his companion, Roger Chrisma, and the guide, reported that they watched the creature for several minutes from a distance of about 100 meters. Worthington said they took pictures but don’t know whether they will release them to the media.

    It is the first publicly reported Wawa Grande sighting since 2008 and 2009, when there was a rash of them. Tour guides then said that the sightings were concentrated in a small area, in the higher elevations of the park.

    Wawa Grande, which takes its name from the Quechuan word for 'baby' and the Spanish word for 'big', reportedly stands upright on two legs and has thick, light gray or reddish hair. The Wawa legend dates back at least 200 years in Ecuador’s southern Andes but several reported sightings since the 1980s sparked international interest.

    Wawa made headlines in July, 1988 when a Scottish hiker claims he was attacked by a pair of the creatures. Robert Burns, who sought shelter in a cave from a late afternoon snow storm, says he was mauled by the Wawas and tossed from the cave. Burns was treated for a broken arm, deep lacerations and bite wounds at a Cuenca hospital. His story was reported on Cuenca television as well as in newspapers in Great Britain.

    In 2009, two Swedish hikers say they saw the creature and reported that it stood between seven and eight feet in height and weighed 300 to 400 pounds. Their story, along with a picture that they claimed to have taken, appeared in a Stockholm newspaper in July of that year.

    Quito-based guide Carlos Castro, who says he took video of the creature during a 1997 hike with three German tourists, claims to have seen Wawa on two occasions.

    According to Castro, many Cajas guides are aware of Wawa, either from personal contact or through reports from hikers. “Some people don’t like to talk about it because their friends will think they’re crazy,” he says. “Even if they haven’t seen Wawa, almost everyone who has spent much time in the mountains has seen the footprints and other evidence.”

    Castro says he has seen plaster castings of Wawa footprints, some measuring almost two feet in length. “These are kept at the University of Cuenca, as well as pictures and other items, but it is impossible to gain access,” he adds, “In fact, it is official policy to deny that they even exist.”

    A retired national park service biologist, who worked in the Cajas Park when it was established in 1996, agrees that there is an official policy of denial and that park employees are told not to talk about the alleged monster. “It does not exist. That is what we told anyone who asked about it.” He also says that the science department at the University of Cuenca has some “objects” and photos connected to Wawa, but these are off limits to the public.

    While he worked at the park, the biologist, who asked not to be identified, said that the park office routinely turned down media requests for information and assistance regarding Wawa. “There was a U.S. television show called Monster Quest that kept asking for help, but we refused. We told them there was nothing up there and no reason to do a TV show.”

    The biologist says he as seen the creature personally. “I am a very skeptical person but I am very sure that I saw something. It was very big, with light colored fur, but looked like a little like a human being.”

    He adds: “Something that is important to say, however, is that the area where I saw this thing and where other people have too, is very high. It is above 4,200 meters and is often foggy and sometimes snowy. It could be easy to imagine something up there.” On the other hand, he says it is ideal terrain for avoiding contact with the outside world. “It is very isolated with caves and hot springs, so something could survive there without being seen.”

    Worthington and Chrisma, both from London, say that they are not sure what they will do with the pictures. “Only us, our guide, and another hiker we met in Cuenca have seen them. We may end up simply keeping them to ourselves. We’re not looking for publicity, and, in fact, would prefer to avoid it.”
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    Default Re: Bigfoot in my back yard in Ecuador (well, pretty close)

    These Bigfoot sightings are interesting and their origins maybe complex. It is not just a process of an entity existing in remote locations, it be more than just this simple explanation.

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    Another article, this time from last year (2015)

    http://cuencahighlife.com/monster-of-the-cajas-wont-go-away-despite-the-best-efforts-of-scientists

    ‘Monster of the Cajas’ won’t go away despite denials by scientists

    Despite the best efforts of Cajas National Park and University of Cuenca officials and scientists, the so-called Monstruo de las Cajas, or Monster of the Cajas, won’t go away.

    A three-man television crew from the U.S. was in town in early September, interviewing witnesses and filming high-altitude areas of the Cajas National Park where the monster has reportedly been sighted. The crew was accompanied by Quito tour guide Carlos Castro, who claims to have taken video of the creature in 1997.

    “We talked to two retired park employees, one whom has seen the monster, as well as local people who know about it,” said Castro, who assisted the Los Angeles-based crew. “We asked to see the evidence kept at the University of Cuenca but they continue to deny that it exists but we were able to talk to a former employee who took pictures of plaster casts of the footprints and who has prints of some of the pictures they keep locked in their files.”

    A University of Cuenca biology professor who asked not to be identified, said he does not believe the monster exists. “I am not saying that the witnesses are lying or that they didn’t see something up there, but I think most of the evidence has been fabricated,” he said. “I have seen one the videos and two pictures but these could have been altered.” He says the box of evidence that Castro claims the university is keeping from the public doesn’t exist.

    “I explained this to the television people from (the television program) Monster Quest in 2009 but they seemed to think I was lying,” the professor said. “I also told them that the area where people say they saw this thing is often foggy and that the high elevation can affect your judgement.”

    A supervisor at Cajas National Park refused to discuss the monster. “This is something we do not talk about. Wawa does not exist,” he said, referring to the name Wawa Grande, used by people who live in the Cajas to describe the monster.

    The most recent “sighting” was in April 2013, when two British hikers and a Cuenca guide claimed to have spotted the creature during a three-day trek. The three said that they watched the over-sized humanoid for several minutes in a remote area of the park.

    “I have no idea what it was other than to say it was quite large, with light colored fur and had some human characteristics. It was able to stand on two legs but also came down on all fours,” said Sean Worthington, one of the hikers. He added: “I am a scientist by training and not prone to make fanciful claims, so I cannot deny seeing the thing.”

    Worthington and his companion, Roger Chrisma and the guide, reported that they watched the creature for several minutes from a distance of about 100 meters. The sighting was reported by a Quito television station and one of the pictures that Worthington said he took appeared in a London newspaper in October 2013.

    According to Worthington and Chrisma and their guide, who asked not to be named, the creature had thick, light gray or reddish gray fur.

    The monster first made headlines in July, 1988 when a Scottish hiker claims he was attacked by a pair of the creatures. Robert Burns, who sought shelter in a cave from a late afternoon snow storm, says he was mauled by the Wawas and tossed from the cave. Burns was treated for a broken arm, deep lacerations and bite wounds at a Cuenca hospital. His story was reported on television as well as in a newspaper in Edinburgh.

    In 2009, two Swedish hikers say they saw the creature and reported that it stood between seven and eight feet in height and weighed 300 to 400 pounds. Their story, along with a picture that they claimed to have taken, appeared in a Stockholm newspaper in July of that year.

    Except for the fur color, most descriptions of the creature are similar to those of the alleged Bigfoot, or Sasquatch, in the U.S. Northwest.

    According to Castro, many Cajas guides are aware of Wawa, either from personal contact or through reports from hikers. “Most people don’t like to talk about it because their friends will think they’re crazy,” he says. “Even if they haven’t seen Wawa, almost everyone who has spent much time in the mountains has seen the footprints.”

    A retired national park service biologist, who worked in the Cajas Park when it was established in 1996, agrees that there is an official policy of denial and that park employees are told not to talk about the alleged monster. “It does not exist. That is what we told anyone who asked about it.” He also says that the science department at the University of Cuenca has some “objects” and photos connected to Wawa, but these are off limits to the public.

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    Well, this has my [strong!] interest now.

    I have a friend who knows a local mountain guide, and (maybe significantly) his biologist wife. I'll ask to meet them. They'll surely know all the details. (I've never sought out or spoken with any local guides before, because I have quite a lot of experience in this kind of terrain and never considered I needed them.)

    The interesting thing for me is the exact area where these creatures have been encountered. If it's consistently above 4,200m (13,750 ft), then that really narrows it down quite a lot. There are a number of peaks that high, and I've been to a few of them, but most of the valleys and lakes, where there's also some fairly thick forest, are a bit lower than that.

    I do have an idea where this may be, though, and it'd be pretty remote, requiring a 2-3 day hike to get in there. It's certainly do-able. With my fearless dog, I'd surely be fine.




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    Just a heads up Bill. These creatures can have a predisposition of not liking humans at all. They've been screwed over too many times by them. Go with your (and your dog's) gut when u go exploring. An open pure intentioned heart may help. Good luck!.

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    I would not go there with out some protection Bill, take dogs and friends and at least a .22. It's better than nothing.

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    Well, this has my [strong!] interest now.

    I have a friend who knows a local mountain guide, and (maybe significantly) his biologist wife. I'll ask to meet them. They'll surely know all the details. (I've never sought out or spoken with any local guides before, because I have quite a lot of experience in this kind of terrain and never considered I needed them.)

    The interesting thing for me is the exact area where these creatures have been encountered. If it's consistently above 4,200m (13,750 ft), then that really narrows it down quite a lot. There are a number of peaks that high, and I've been to a few of them, but most of the valleys and lakes, where there's also some fairly thick forest, are a bit lower than that.

    I do have an idea where this may be, though, and it'd be pretty remote, requiring a 2-3 day hike to get in there. It's certainly do-able. With my fearless dog, I'd surely be fine.




    Well Bill that very interesting the thing is what will do if you encounter so named Bigfoot? Maybe there is a reason why these creatures avoid people and are located in specific regions? Habit, food supply, water, or something else perhaps?

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    For those who've not seen this little home movie yet, here's the kind of terrain we're talking about. The most representative shots are actually towards the end of the video. There's a lot of open ground, but frequent patches of thick little forest, and plenty of places for even a large creature to hide.

    There are very few humans in this area... it's not like Yosemite or Yellowstone! You can be out there all day and rarely see another person, and never see another person if you're not on a trail. (It's pretty easy to explore anywhere you want to go if one's in reasonably good shape.)

    Enjoy (the music, especially )


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    There has to be a connection to all the sightings of this mysterious creature throughout the world, have they ever been drawn out to lower levels in search of food, water or just curiosity, they seem as conscious as we are, but are there levels of consciousness from lower to higher levels? Is there a social structure, is there a ruler, is there some unknown language, is there families of them? Are they tribalistic? Do they fight amongst themselves? Are they as interested in us as we are in them? Do they some form of technology or tools? Do they learn to adapt to the ever changing environment?

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    I already see Mara,the fearless dog,growing wings the moment she smells this creature

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    I recall two people who have actually seen Bigfoots climbing down out of a UFO. One was a lady in WA state, & one a man in S. America. He kept quiet about it for years as he didn't want to be ridiculed. I'm assuming I learned of this on either Avalon, or Camelot, ECETI Ranch has had quite a few sightings as well. One man had a younger Bigfoot run up to him, stop & then take off again! They seem to warn people off from their territory. I also recall some island in the S. Pacific where beings actually moved a huge piece of equipment during the night. The DO seem to be all over the world!

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    hi All-

    all one needs to do is research the findings of geneticist Dr. Melba Ketchum or read anthrpologist Lloyd Pye's book "Everything You Know is Wrong"- these creatures definitely exist- WHY SHOULD'T THEY?-

    as Pye pointed out in his book: it took western huminity over 2OOO yrs. to finaly (not until 1920's) to accept the fact the Panda bear actually exists; WHY?- because the habitat of the Panda bear exists in a very remote, mountainous area that is normally not easily accessiblble to humans- because one had not personally seen it (except for a few Chinese who braved the terrain) it was labled Chinese "mythology" (Panda was only previously known on paintings)-

    we're going through the same 'schtick' now (nothing changes): people flatly refuse to believe these creatures could possibly exit because one has not successfuly been captured (they live in dense brush/mountainous areas that we humans simply cannot physically negotiate because of their incredible physical strength- and they tend to avoid us- probably they know we will kill them)

    all I can say is read Pye's book; and the testament in the book of the Swedish-born lumberjack in Canada and his testament of how he was abducted by a family of Sasquatch-

    now take it a step farther: read law-enforcement officer David Paulides's dual-volumn "Missing411" books about the unexplained disappearances in the N. American wilderness- I'll leave you on a tangent-

    enough for now-

    please be well all-

    Larry







    the same goes for these Hominoids; they exist (habitat) an area that we humans (the weakest of the bi-peds) cannot negotiate

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    You could always attach a dash cam to Mara,s collar while u explore ,you never know what she might find

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    Default Re: Bigfoot in my back yard in Ecuador (well, pretty close)

    I would bet some serious money that there is an underground facility with Grays and Bigfoot nearby in those mountains. I am not the only one who has had contact with Bigfoot vis a vis alien spacecraft and Grays (and in my case it would also include Mantids).

    From my own experience and that of others Bigfoot beings usually perform the function of what we would call "bodyguards".
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    Bill if you go to try see and or meet them:

    They the true Humanoid creature of this planet, the old ones.

    We pushed them back into the places that we find hard to live in.

    Hike through fast setting up motion cameras as you go,
    DON'T try creeping up on them (This is what pain bringers/hunters do)(Not that you could creep up on them anyways ha),
    make nice noise as you travel,
    leave gifts of fruit/veg/food but not meat, also some pretty things

    Add to that photos of your self, maria and company, let them know you bring gifts and not pain, let them study you/photos!

    Even add your names, who knows what they really know of us!

    Don't go into any sort of hidden caves you might find, they are probable theirs, camera and gifts

    Remember they are probably nocturnal so take night vision with you. because they are nocturnal cover over any camera flashing/blinking lights

    I'm sure you have watched this Lloyd Pye vid but it is totally appropriate for your post


    Bit long but covers Hominids and even Hybrids between them and us.
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    Default Re: Bigfoot in my back yard in Ecuador (well, pretty close)

    Google Earth says it all, quite some area there

    2 degrees 46'16.85"s 79 degrees 11'39.99" w elev 4058m keep climbing

    Height, forest and water.

    Have fun
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    It wasn't you Bill dressed up in a monkey suit for a lark was it? I can't say that there's enough topics on Avalon to discuss hey?

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    Default Re: Bigfoot in my back yard in Ecuador (well, pretty close)

    just as an addendum to my lst posting: according to Lloyd Pye the smalest of these Hominoids (if I reall the name correctly) are Agogwes and they exist in the jungles of Africa; so why shouldn't they exist in the jungles of S. America?-

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    Common factors in the various locations in which Big foot is sighted maybe important, environment, ancient sites, usually occurrences, are there any connections between the sightings throughout the world, what are the patterns?

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