Denying Global Warming - there is no 'pause'

[Kapyong]

Gday all,

We just had Prof Brian Cox on Australian TV, taking on a minority Senator (who only scored 77 real votes - don't ask) about Global Warming and the alleged 'pause' in the recent two decades or so.

It was highly amusing - Senator Malcolm Roberts claimed NASA had 'corrupted' and 'manipulated' the climate data, that increasing CO2 was CAUSED by Global Warming, that only 0.3% of climate scientists agree with GW, and that the 1930s were just about as hot as our recent hot period.

The crowd - mostly young smart persons LOLed out loud

The panel were all too polite to strike a killing blow however.

Here you can see a short video of Dr Cox vs Senator Roberts :
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ge-on-qa-video

I also prepared an info-graphic showing the facts behind this nonsense about Global Warming in a 'pause', or even stopped :


Readers are entirely free, and even encouraged, to copy, use, and spread this graphic.

The original is here :
http://kapyong.5gbfree.com/images/DenyingGW.png


Kapyong

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:

"How deniers lie about global warming by cherry picking date"

I thought this sentence was unusual to say the least???

If anyone is fudging the truth it is "global warming, climate change etc. crowd.
How on the planet earth can "MAN" be causing all the warmth by CO2 emissions?
WHY should "MAN" and mostly the west pay for all the CO2?
Cap and trade doesn't work and this is the model that ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES have decided to use since it's sooooooo lucrative!

Maybe everyone that's going to read this forgot Piers Corbyn and his understanding of the data and messed up models being used today to figure out "climate change, global warming and any other name given to the data to try to make a case of cashing in on cap and trade.

We in Alberta are going through this very thing right now.....
Cap and trade is being introduced here January 1, 2017.
Of course the government says it will only cost $350 dollars per family per year??????? Where in the hell did they get this figure????
They forgot that we are land locked. Everything imported into Alberta comes by train, plane, ship, automobile.
The new standard is to raise gas 17 cents per litre which translates to 76.5 cents per imperial gallon. Of course this won't effect anyone. Of course not?!?!?!?
I guess the government has a different pencil than the working class. Nothing will go up in price. Not anything!

Yes the deniers are lying BUT the "climate change, global warming crowd" is as honest as white is definitely black!

Folks this is all about Billions and Billions in cash dollars! Possibly even Trillions of dollars of revenue and nothing will have changed as far as the planets climate, warming or anything else except governments get Billions and we as people pay again!

So much for deniers.....WE ARE NOT CHARGING ANYONE FOR LIVING ON PLANET EARTH.

Try to say this about "climate change, global warming crowd".

PS If you want to hear some truth just go to you tube or even in the archives here and listen to Piers Corbyn.
It will be very enlightening and probably inspiring.

chancy

[KiwiElf]

I've found that one way to stop the "global warming crowd" in their tracks is to point out to them that the entire solar system is experiencing, hmmm "wayward climate change" and I'd theorise, based on the evidence presented, it is largely caused by the Sun (and perhaps whatever area of space our solar system happens to be in).

How do the global warmers explain humankind being responsible for those changes on other planets, and exactly what will be achieved with a carbon tax, and where are the $$ going?? It's just another blatant "tax" rip off to fill govt coffers.

I would also theorise a good deal of it (on Earth, anyway) - is being deliberately manipulated by geoengineering & that if all forms of pollution were stopped tomorrow, it would not make much difference.

[transiten]

KiwiElf, David Wilcock has wrote extensively on this theory on Divine Cosmos and in his first book "Thre Source Field Investigations".

[Andre]

Taxing carbon dioxide has to be the single biggest scam ever conceived.

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Andre (here)
Taxing carbon dioxide has to be the single biggest scam ever conceived.

And I fail to see how it will "fix" anything

[Hervé]

... missing quite a few "Big Pictures"... below, we are not talking 10th of Celsius degrees but tens of them Celsius degrees:


Colder right now than throughout almost all of history

By Robert August 11, 2016


And yet, our leaders keep on harping about global warming

Graph from “Climate and the Carboniferous Period” http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Ca...s_climate.html

And CO2 levels were higher than today throughout almost all of history.

When you look at the above chart, you will see almost no correlation between atmospheric CO2 levels and temperature.

“The Late Carboniferous to Early Permian (315 mya — 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).

“Compared to former geologic times,our present atmosphere,like the Late Carboniferous atmosphere, is CO2- impoverished!”


Thanks to Guy (Terra Hertz) for this link

“There’s simply no way for AGW and this chart to both be true,” says Guy. “Anyone who says they can’t see the fundamental incompatibility is either lying or retarded.”

[Baby Steps]

See below. Geological Timescales as per Herve's graph above may be misleading as our ecology and geology has been different (including eras of huge volcano out-gassing that have not happened recently).
There is a very close link between CO2 levels and Climate:

[ozmirage]

KARBONITE DAY
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The celebration of the anniversary when AGCC/ AGW alarmists, carbon counters, "consensus" science followists, and others were finally proven to be part of a giant conspiracy to steal billions under bogus “CO2 exchanges” and increase tax revenues by “taxing the air.”
. . .
FRAUD?
It was pretty obvious when any and every oddity was chalked up to CLIMATE CHANGE, with the unspoken inference that it was driven by HUMAN BEINGS and their EVIL greenhouse gases.
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DATA - - - - -
Earth max : (134.33 F)
Space station max : (250 F)
Lunar surface max : ( 242.33 F)

Zero atmosphere = higher temperature than with atmosphere. Ergo, there is no "heating up" or trapping of heat by the atmosphere when it is COOLING the planet. And since there is no conduction nor convection of heat in a vacuum, that leaves RADIATION. The atmosphere is radiating / reflecting back energy, that COOLS the planet.

Facts in support - - -
Earth Albedo : 0.3
Moon Albedo : 0.11

Coincidentally, the greenhouse gases have a higher emissivity that means they COOL the planet even more. And the #1 greenhouse gas is water vapor, which has a far greater effect than trace gases like CO2 or methane.. . .
Remember, even the experts admit that we can do nothing to STOP change, but merely slow it down. Which begs the question, how does sequestering CO2 prevent the alleged disasters?
If “the money” really believed that oceans would rise, they’d be selling off beachfront property or surrounding it with levees and dikes. Mountain retreats would be selling like hotcakes. Governments would be shifting subsidy from the automobile / petroleum / highway hegemony, to electric traction rail - the most efficient form of land transport. All housing would be built with superinsulation, thus minimizing the consumption of resources to maintain comfort. And to minimize the cost from natural disasters, construct disaster resistant resilient structures and homes, as a rule, not an exception.
. . .
Instead, we're told we need to TAX CO2... (D'Oh!)

[Baby Steps]

The problem that the science presents us - in the form of Ice Core samples is that the Co2 increases consistently happen between 200 to 1,000 years AFTER the climate warming. I found the following graph that approximates to a straight line decrease in Oceanic CO2 solubility between 0 and 20c:

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[Hervé]

Posted by Baby Steps (here)
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... our ecology and geology has been different (including eras of huge volcano out-gassing that have not happened recently).
[...]

That maybe so, however, any attempt at correlating CO2 and temperature over earth history is an epic fail

Moreover, the data are not "denials" but demonstrations that so-called "greenhouse gases" and their actual influence are politicians' imagination figments to justify a money making scam.

[Baby Steps]

From the skeptical science site:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/hum...-emissions.htm

Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions
“The oceans contain 37,400 billion tons (GT) of suspended carbon, land biomass has 2000-3000 GT. The atpmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this balance. The oceans, land and atpmosphere exchange CO2 continuously so the additional load by humans is incredibly small. A small shift in the balance between oceans and air would cause a CO2 much more severe rise than anything we could produce.” (Jeff Id)

Note: the above is a statement that they then rebutt. The point I am making is if you look at the previously posted graph you see that the Ocean contains the huge majority of the CO2 sink, and CO2 solubility in the Ocean decreases in a near straight line by 2.8% per degree of increased temperature between zero and 20Centigrade.

So let's say the seas heat by 3 centigrade. That is 8.4% of 37,400 gigatonnes=3100 gigatonnes of co2 potentially being released into the atmosphere from the ocean.

[Baby Steps]

Now look at the following graph. Cumulative Human emissions are approximately 400 billion tonnes by now, compared to let's say 1,047 billion tonnes from a theoretical 1 centigrade increase in Ocean temperature.

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[Baby Steps]

Again from skeptical science:

before the industrial revolution, the CO2 content in the air remained quite steady for thousands of years. Natural CO2 is not static, however. It is generated by natural processes, and absorbed by others.
As you can see in Figure 1, natural land and ocean carbon remains roughly in balance and have done so for a long time – and we know this because we can measure historic levels of CO2 in the atmosphere both directly (in ice cores) and indirectly (through proxies).
Figure 1: Global carbon cycle. Numbers represent flux of carbon dioxide in gigatons (Source: Figure 7.3, IPCC AR4).
But consider what happens when more CO2 is released from outside of the natural carbon cycle – by burning fossil fuels. Although our output of 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year, it adds up because the land and ocean cannot absorb all of the extra CO2. About 40% of this additional CO2 is absorbed. The rest remains in the atmosphere, and as a consequence, atmospheric CO2 is at its highest level in 15 to 20 million years (Tripati 2009). (A natural change of 100ppm normally takes 5,000 to 20,000 years. The recent increase of 100ppm has taken just 120 years).
Human CO2 emissions upset the natural balance of the carbon cycle. Man-made CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by a third since the pre-industrial era, creating an artificial forcing of global temperatures which is warming the planet. While fossil-fuel derived CO2 is a very small component of the global carbon cycle, the extra CO2 is cumulative because the natural carbon exchange cannot absorb all the additional CO2.
The level of atmospheric CO2 is building up, the additional CO2 is being produced by burning fossil fuels, and that build up is accelerating.
Basic rebuttal written by GPWayne

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
When I was young the government and the "save the world" gang was pushing "Ice age coming soon"! The only problem was they couldn't link to the "CASH"
Well after 30-40 years of trying it's been linked..."CAP and TRADE".

Since there are so many people that believe this nonsense I have a was to solve the problem once and for all.

The people who don't believe humans are responsible for CO2 pay nothing.

The people who believe the reteric about humans responsible for everything PAY IT ALL!

With is formula no one has to admit tampering with the evidence. No one has to keep lying and everyone gets what they want without ever admitting "SCAM"!

This would be much more effective than spending BIllions if not Trillions of dollars of cash for governments and less cash for the people.

chancy

[Baby Steps]

I looked this stuff up because I wanted to understand why there was a lag between warming in the past and CO2 increases, yet the establishment still is convinced that CO2 is driving our warming.

From what I have seen so far I am still skeptical about the idea that our CO2 emissions are driving the warming. When you have a vast heat sink like the Ocean, and a tiny amount of greenhouse gas, it does not ring true to me.

However we are now liberating a lot of CO2, and the amounts potentially to be released from melting tundra, and the drainage of rainforests that sit on top of huge peaty deposits, PLUS potential release from a warming ocean, mean that we are probably unable to control it.

The conventional model is that solar heating sets off oceanic release, that feeds back to warming, and the feedback loop by liberating more carbon sinks, activates a greenhouse effect may well be right. I am not sure what it can tell us about our current situation, but this may prove academic because we are just getting into a potential 'BIG FLIP' feedback loop, including methane from the ocean bed. I wonder if Kevin Costner, sitting in his boat in the film 'Waterworld' would have had any concern as to whether there was no land any more because of man or a natural process...

[Hervé]

Repost from here:

Posted by Hervé (here)
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Ice age it is:

Irregular heartbeat of the Sun driven by double dynamo

Published on Thursday, 09 July 2015 08:17
Last Updated on Thursday, 09 July 2015 12:41

Date: July 9, 2015Source: Royal Astronomical Society (RAS)Summary:
A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the 'mini ice age' that began in 1645.

Montage of images of solar activity between August 1991 and September 2001. Credit: Yohkoh/ISAS/Lockheed-Martin/NAOJ/U. Tokyo/NASA. Click for a full-size image

A new model of the Sun’s solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun’s 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the ‘mini ice age’ that began in 1645. Results will be presented today by Prof Valentina Zharkova at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno.

It is 172 years since a scientist first spotted that the Sun’s activity varies over a cycle lasting around 10 to 12 years. But every cycle is a little different and none of the models of causes to date have fully explained fluctuations. Many solar physicists have put the cause of the solar cycle down to a dynamo caused by convecting fluid deep within the Sun. Now, Zharkova and her colleagues have found that adding a second dynamo, close to the surface, completes the picture with surprising accuracy.

“We found magnetic wave components appearing in pairs, originating in two different layers in the Sun’s interior. They both have a frequency of approximately 11 years, although this frequency is slightly different, and they are offset in time. Over the cycle, the waves fluctuate between the northern and southern hemispheres of the Sun. Combining both waves together and comparing to real data for the current solar cycle, we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97%,” said Zharkova.

Zharkova and her colleagues derived their model using a technique called ‘principal component analysis’ of the magnetic field observations from the Wilcox Solar Observatory in California. They examined three solar cycles-worth of magnetic field activity, covering the period from 1976-2008. In addition, they compared their predictions to average sunspot numbers, another strong marker of solar activity. All the predictions and observations were closely matched.

Looking ahead to the next solar cycles, the model predicts that the pair of waves become increasingly offset during Cycle 25, which peaks in 2022. During Cycle 26, which covers the decade from 2030-2040, the two waves will become exactly out of synch and this will cause a significant reduction in solar activity.

“In cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other – peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun. Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other. We predict that this will lead to the properties of a ‘Maunder minimum’,” said Zharkova. “Effectively, when the waves are approximately in phase, they can show strong interaction, or resonance, and we have strong solar activity. When they are out of phase, we have solar minimums. When there is full phase separation, we have the conditions last seen during the Maunder minimum, 370 years ago.”

https://www.ras.org.uk/news-and-pres...-double-dynamo


See also this post (<---)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7sh_nlz43Pc

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This point from above cannot be overemphasized:

... the waves fluctuate between the northern and southern hemispheres of the Sun. Combining both waves together and comparing to real data for the current solar cycle, we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97%,” said Zharkova.

That's real science!

Because their theoretical model, derived from facts, can predict other data - not yet observed - with a 97% accuracy... mind blowing!

[LivioRazlo]

Posted by Andre (here)
Taxing carbon dioxide has to be the single biggest scam ever conceived.

I think the only scam which trumps that is the fact that our entire history is based on lies.

For example, my heart/soul tells me as a Christian that the true day of worship for the Lord is on Saturday. The Papacy/pagans changed this to Sunday (Day of the Sun), hence duping many into worshipping a false idol.

It may not feel true to others, but, to me, it is now the sole factor in my quest for the truth.

[Kapyong]

Gday KiwiElf and all

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
I've found that one way to stop the "global warming crowd" in their tracks is to point out to them that the entire solar system is experiencing, hmmm "wayward climate change" and I'd theorise, based on the evidence presented, it is largely caused by the Sun (and perhaps whatever area of space our solar system happens to be in).

Sorry, that is not correct at all.
The solar system is NOT all experiencing "wayward climate change".
The reality is that a FEW bodies MAY be warming up - out of dozens which are NOT.

Here are some alleged claims of planets warming explained :

• Mars: the notion that Mars is warming came from an unfortunate conflation of weather and climate. Based on two pictures taken 22 years apart, assumptions were made that have not proved to be reliable. There is currently no evidence to support claims that Mars is warming at all.

• Jupiter: the notion that Jupiter is warming is actually based on predictions, since no warming has actually been observed. Climate models predict temperature increases along the equator and cooling at the poles. It is believed these changes will be catalysed by storms that merge into one super-storm, inhibiting the planet’s ability to mix heat. Sceptical arguments have ignored the fact this is not a phenomenon we have observed, and that the modelled forcing is storm and dust movements, not changes in solar radiation.

• Neptune: observations of changes in luminosity on the surface of both Neptune and its largest moon, Triton, have been taken to indicate warming caused by increased solar activity. In fact, the brightening is due to the planet’s seasons changing, but very slowly. Summer is coming to Neptune’s southern hemisphere, bringing more sunlight, as it does every 164 years.

• Pluto: the warming exhibited by Pluto is not really understood. Pluto’s seasons are the least understood of all: its existence has only been known for a third of its 248 -year orbit, and it has never been visited by a space probe. The ‘evidence’ for climate change consists of just two observations made in 1988 and 2002. That’s equivalent to observing the Earth’s weather for just three weeks out of the year. Various theories suggest its highly elliptical orbit may play a part, as could the large angle of its rotational axis. One recent paper suggests the length of Pluto’s orbit is a key factor, as with Neptune. Sunlight at Pluto is 900 times weaker than it is at the Earth.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
and I'd theorise, based on the evidence presented, it is largely caused by the Sun

YOU would 'theorise' that ?
Why ?
Here is the actual evidence on radiation from the sun :


It is DECREASING lately.

In short -
the claim that the entire solar system is experiencing global warming is demonstrably false.

Readers are encouraged to check the facts before making claims like that


Kapyong

[Kapyong]

Gday chancy and all

Posted by chancy (here)
Hello Everyone:
When I was young the government and the "save the world" gang was pushing "Ice age coming soon"!

No, they weren't - I was there.

What actually happened was that a FEW maverick 'scientists' CLAIMED an Ice Age was coming. Most scientists just laughed at the idea.

But some people latched on to that claim, and now remember it as a big thing. Especially those who deny GW.


Kapyong