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    Default Re: Denying Global Warming - there is no 'pause'

    One massive contributor to manmade CO2 production is Portland cement, for which CaCo3 is decomposed into CaO and CO2, in a kiln, also requiring heat, i.e. an energy source itself likely producing CO2. Cement and concrete as they age recover their CO2 over a period of something like 30,000 years. This means that not only does cement production increase CO2 emissions, it also increases the size of the CO2 sink, albeit with this very long time delay, and it is not a zero-sum operation.

    The alternative to cement is often wood, which is a natural CO2 sink from the outset. You absorb the stuff in order to grow trees, and the longer you preserve the timber, the longer it stays out of circulation. Oyster and mussel farms would have a similar effect, but there are limits to the amounts of seafood that people can consume.

    Another idea, instead of recycling paper, which is counter-intuitively not the thing to be doing if you are looking for carbon sinks, would be to make more things out of paper.
    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    We should be using high-quality paper-based dishes and light a fire instead of washing up. When you think that the ancient Chinese wore paper armour, it being lightweight and rustproof, you realize just how much we could be doing with all kinds of quality paper products. Hotel linen would be one really useful application. And we might even end up with paper aeroplanes
    Traditional libraries of hard copy books would make excellent carbon sinks. If the AGW people were really serious, they would be recommending building thousands more rather than closing the ones we have. The problem being of course that people might start reading them and learning things, and that would never do.


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    Can't figure out the latter idea regarding paper. Surely recycling paper is similar to preserving wood, if you recycle you are not cutting down more trees to produce fresh paper. If recycling is not carbon friendly it still results in continued deforesting to produce many new paper products.

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    we live on a planet full of carbon based life forms as far as i know

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    Quote Posted by bluestflame (here)
    we live on a planet full of carbon based life forms as far as i know
    Yes. But it might be a little more complicated than that!

    Even though a great deal of your body chemistry features carbon and oxygen, if you lock yourself in your garage with your car's engine running, the CO2 and CO might not do you all that much good.
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    Nature provides a balance.

    Humans have for over a century reached a stage of development where what we do can effect that balance and potentially significantly.

    Humans also distort the truth to achieve various agendas important to a few at the expense of the rest and this is the problem some have with so called "man made global warming."

    It would be nice if those who could perform a true, honest, detailed and thorough analysis of the the potential existence of and ramifications of man made climate changes would be able to do so. Unfortunately the structure of the western world (and perhaps global) scientific community undermines the validity of the findings of too many otherwise qualified scientists. THAT, to me, is the bigger problem.
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    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
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    It would be nice if those who could perform a true, honest, detailed and thorough analysis of the the potential existence of and ramifications of man made climate changes would be able to do so.
    [...]
    A repost from here:
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    [...]

    From another thread:

    what wasn't done nor attempted:

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

    What was definitely NOT used:

    [...]
    Groningen, zondag 6 februari 2011

    Veteran weather modification expert Ben Livingston is a former Navy Physicist who briefed President Lyndon B. Johnson on the effectiveness of weather control back in the 1960's during the Vietnam era, when he was involved in cloud seeding programs that worked to slow down the advance of Vietnamese and Korean troops. Livingston asserts that hurricane control was a national priority of the government more than 40 years ago and that the technology was fully operational to control the weather at the time.


    In this exclusive interview, Livingston explains how for decades the US government has had the power to both lessen and increase the severity of adverse weather for their own purposes.

    Dr. Livingston was assigned in 1966 from the Naval weapons research Laboratory to a marine fighter squadron in Vietnam. Instead of guns, the aircraft under Livingston's control were fitted with cloud seeding equipment. "My mission was to find clouds and seed them for maximum precipitation value" he stated.

    Dr. Livingston presents evidence from the Stanford research Institute, who were brought into Project Storm Fury (a weather control program) in the late sixties as a third party, which stated conclusively that knowledge of how to stop hurricanes had been uncovered and that they would be directly liable should a hurricane hit and cause extensive damage and loss of life. Four decades later and Livingston exposes how the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina could have been greatly minimized but was allowed to fully impact Gulf states for political reasons.

    Having personally flown on 265 missions into the eyes of hurricanes, Livingston remarks that he was "disgusted" by the failure to lessen the impact of Katrina. Livingston's revelations that weather control has been a decades long program in which the US government has been deeply involved are particularly alarming given the abundant modern-day evidence of how chemtrails are being used to warp our environment in a secret geoengineering plot that threatens a myriad of unknown human health and ecological consequences.

    ************************************************************

    ... and so was Sandy allowed to strike at the maximum cranked up power that could be mustered to re-instill some trust into the "medias"... "When we tell you to evacuate: just do it!"

    The following statement:

    Quote Project Storm Fury [...] stated conclusively that knowledge of how to stop hurricanes had been uncovered and that they would be directly liable should a hurricane hit and cause extensive damage and loss of life.
    ... carries with it the terrible corollary that, by the same token, they also know what starts or amplifies a storm into a hurricane... just pure, practical logic!

    Couple that with the report that military planes were flying around at the time [hurricane] Sandy hit the coast... along with the fact that storms are Navy's and Air Force's allies in demoralizing the "enemy" in any wars since Vietnam... who's the enemy now?
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    Interesting thread, forensically: what happened to the OP? Comes on, kicks off about this Aussie TV debate Climate Change: Prof Brian Cox (scientist) takes on Senator Malcolm Roberts (politician) Finds nobody much agrees with him. Disappears. Hmm...

    Anyway, since it's not been mentioned in this thread, I thought I'd recommend Ben Davidson's Suspicious Observers to anyone who is unaware of their excellent work. Like Piers Corbyn, they observe the sun closely, but extrapolate to predict earthquakes and extreme weather events. Unlike Piers, they believe that climate change is real, but they have a clear perspective on the debate and no agenda other than truth. They have a great YouTube channel and, on this subject, I recommend, Top 6 Climate Change Problems which discusses how both sides of the argument have manipulated the data and geo-engineering has further complicated the situation and Why "Global Warming" Failed & Why Climate Change is Real which is an update based around a speech Ben gave two years ago.

    Having digested this, if still interested, check out Ben Davidson's video, The #1 Risk To Earth which I found very compelling (but then, I am no scientist). What he says is that solar events dictate earth's climate and the magnetosphere cushions us from their impact, but the magnetosphere has weakened so that, even though the sun has been relatively calm, extreme weather events are increasing. The #1 risk is being smacked by a massive CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) that would cause the 'Charington effect' on Earth, taking out electricity grids across the planet. Whoah! Reset!

    One aspect of SO's research is pole shift (and possible impending flip). It's no secret that the north pole has shifted, bringing the arctic ice cap more directly in line with the sun. This, I infer, is why the arctic is melting while antarctic sea ice is spreading and thickening.

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    Thanks ninorc

    That is why I posted the link in Post 43 of this thread recommending Ben Davidson's article on Top 6 Climate Change Problems.

    As an archaeologist I am interested in the big picture like this graph of Ice Core temperature from Greenland going back 48,000 years.



    Not this one that Climate Scientists are more likely to use.



    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/metad...core-2475.html

    If anybody would like to read where this 97% of Scientists Myth comes from I suggest you read the article by Joseph Bast and Roy Spencer in The Wall Street Journal dated 26th May 1914, titled "The Myth of Climate Change "97%"".
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...78462813553136
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    Default Re: Denying Global Warming - there is no 'pause'

    my point with the carbon based lifeforms thing is that as far as i've seen it's never been adequately addressed

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    Quote Posted by bluestflame (here)
    my point with the carbon based lifeforms thing is that as far as i've seen it's never been adequately addressed
    My answer was just to note that the benefit of CO2 very much depends on whether you're a mammal or a tree.


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    Quote Posted by ninorc (here)
    Interesting thread, forensically: what happened to the OP?
    One aspect of SO's research is pole shift (and possible impending flip). It's no secret that the north pole has shifted, bringing the arctic ice cap more directly in line with the sun. This, I infer, is why the arctic is melting while antarctic sea ice is spreading and thickening.
    great post.... btw.

    OP has had the boot for being rude....

    its just the magnetic poles that shift... the geographic pole ( earth axis ) stays the same... therefore the arctic ice hasnt moved towards more sun exposure...

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    Quote Posted by meat suit (here)

    its just the magnetic poles that shift... the geographic pole ( earth axis ) stays the same... therefore the arctic ice hasnt moved towards more sun exposure...
    Yes, that's correct. The magnetic pole shift (which is definitely in progress, and is being carefully tracked) isn't a physical movement of the planet. It's just the magnetic field which is changing.

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    Quote Posted by ks4ever (here)
    [...]

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    ... recovering my jaw from the floor...

    "Something" unprecedented did occur ~ 10,000 BCE/ 12,000 years ago... which stabilized the global temperature fluctuations... Waowww!

    Thanks ks4ever.

    PS: Any link to the original research/paper?
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)

    Thanks ks4ever.

    PS: Any link to the original research/paper?
    I believe (without checking, as I write this) that this has been cited quite a few times in recent presentations by Graham Hancock. But in turn, he'd have found it somewhere else, of course. Important and interesting stuff.

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    Quote Posted by ninorc (here)
    Interesting thread, forensically: what happened to the OP? Comes on, kicks off about this Aussie TV debate Climate Change: Prof Brian Cox (scientist) takes on Senator Malcolm Roberts (politician) Finds nobody much agrees with him. Disappears. Hmm...

    Anyway, since it's not been mentioned in this thread, I thought I'd recommend Ben Davidson's Suspicious Observers to anyone who is unaware of their excellent work. Like Piers Corbyn, they observe the sun closely, but extrapolate to predict earthquakes and extreme weather events. Unlike Piers, they believe that climate change is real, but they have a clear perspective on the debate and no agenda other than truth. They have a great YouTube channel and, on this subject, I recommend, Top 6 Climate Change Problems which discusses how both sides of the argument have manipulated the data and geo-engineering has further complicated the situation and Why "Global Warming" Failed & Why Climate Change is Real which is an update based around a speech Ben gave two years ago.

    Having digested this, if still interested, check out Ben Davidson's video, The #1 Risk To Earth which I found very compelling (but then, I am no scientist). What he says is that solar events dictate earth's climate and the magnetosphere cushions us from their impact, but the magnetosphere has weakened so that, even though the sun has been relatively calm, extreme weather events are increasing. The #1 risk is being smacked by a massive CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) that would cause the 'Charington effect' on Earth, taking out electricity grids across the planet. Whoah! Reset!

    One aspect of SO's research is pole shift (and possible impending flip). It's no secret that the north pole has shifted, bringing the arctic ice cap more directly in line with the sun. This, I infer, is why the arctic is melting while antarctic sea ice is spreading and thickening.

    Very interesting and seemingly balanced videos ninorc, thank you for that.

    On the same page as one of those links I also ended up watching this documentary.



    Quote Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation.

    This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles. In contrast to the global cooling conjecture, the current scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth has not durably cooled, but undergone global warming throughout the twentieth century.

    Concerns about nuclear winter arose in the early 1980s from several reports. Similar speculations have appeared over effects due to catastrophes such as asteroid impacts and massive volcanic eruptions. A prediction that massive oil well fires in Kuwait would cause significant effects on climate was quite incorrect.

    The idea of a global cooling as the result of global warming was already proposed in the 1990s. In 2003, the Office of Net Assessment at the United States Department of Defense was commissioned to produce a study on the likely and potential effects of a modern climate change, especially of a shutdown of thermohaline circulation. The study, conducted under ONA head Andrew Marshall, modelled its prospective climate change on the 8.2 kiloyear event, precisely because it was the middle alternative between the Younger Dryas and the Little Ice Age. The study caused controversy in the media when it was made public in 2004. However, scientists acknowledge that "abrupt climate change initiated by Greenland ice sheet melting is not a realistic scenario for the 21st century".

    Currently, the concern that cooler temperatures would continue, and perhaps at a faster rate, has been observed to be incorrect by the IPCC. More has to be learned about climate, but the growing records have shown that the cooling concerns of 1975 have not been borne out.

    As for the prospects of the end of the current interglacial (again, valid only in the absence of human perturbations): it isn't true that interglacials have previously only lasted about 10,000 years; and Milankovitch-type calculations indicate that the present interglacial would probably continue for tens of thousands of years naturally. Other estimates (Loutre and Berger, based on orbital calculations) put the unperturbed length of the present interglacial at 50,000 years. Berger (EGU 2005 presentation) believes that the present CO2 perturbation will last long enough to suppress the next glacial cycle entirely.

    As the NAS report indicates, scientific knowledge regarding climate change was more uncertain than it is today. At the time that Rasool and Schneider wrote their 1971 paper, climatologists had not yet recognized the significance of greenhouse gases other than water vapor and carbon dioxide, such as methane, nitrous oxide, and chlorofluorocarbons. Early in that decade, carbon dioxide was the only widely studied human-influenced greenhouse gas. The attention drawn to atmospheric gases in the 1970s stimulated many discoveries in future decades. As the temperature pattern changed, global cooling was of waning interest by 1979.
    Certainly after todays watching/learning one can only conclude that the consesus opinion must be bought and paid for. If geo-engineering is already underway, and a lot of the evidence seems to suggest it is, then they are apparently bringing the cooling period closer by adding more cloud cover. Yet it would be their demise too, for their underground facilities surely do not come with 50,000+ year guarantees of survivability. Off-planet escape routes?

    Is that why there are reportedly so many visiting observers interested and watching this planet right now. For it must be a rare opportunity to study the demise of a species. (Sigh).

    Edit: Just wanted to add that docu this was made before the concept of 'Global Warming' became so mainstream, it was offering potential solution to a very real scenario of a cold period coming up by re-mineralising the soils of the planet with rock dust. Which is what ultimately happens with glacial action. The timing of the GW scare could almost be considered propaganda to counter real scientific information if one were particularly cynical.
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    #12 - August snow survey 2015

    At long last I have the complete figures in from the August 2015 snow survey that was conducted on the 21st and 22nd of that month. There were a couple of discrepancies up until recently, but I have now ironed these out.

    The total number of patches counted across Scotland was 678 (see table below). This is way more than double the amount for 2014, and hundreds more than any year since the survey was started in 2008.
    Totals since 2008
    2008 - 34
    2009 - 35
    2010 - 34
    2011 - 36
    2012 - 72
    2013 - 81
    2014 - 281
    2015 - 678
    We caution that this total, though very impressive, is likely to be too low. Given the amount of snow that was present all over the hills it’s almost certain that some were missed. However, the patches listed here are confirmed ones, and that’s what we have to go with.

    Thanks are due to a lot of people who assisted in this. Everyone who went out did so at their own expense of time and cost. Without these folk the survey would have been impossible.

    A small percentage of these patches will survive until winter (typically about 8% of the August total survives). Whether 8% of the August total will survive (~54 patches) is debatable. We will have to keep watching.


    A cold summer in Scotland has led to this incredible natural phenomena with remaining ice and snow forming a network of icy tunnels and caves clinging to the edge of mountains

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    Then... this year:

    'Astonishing' snow depth on North Face of Ben Nevis

    9 August 2016 From the section Highlands & Islands



    A climber in a red jacket is just visible in this photograph of the snow on Ben Nevis Climbers have encountered deep snow on Britain's highest mountain while assisting in a scientific project on the peak. Image copyright Highland Mountain Company

    It is not unusual for Ben Nevis to have coverings of snow all year.

    However, snow expert Iain Cameron has described the depth of the white stuff on the mountain's North Face as "astonishing".

    Photographs of the snow, which could be more than 15m deep in places, were taken by Highland Mountain Company.

    The images were taken on Monday.


    A climber and the snow on the North Face The firm is assisting scientists who have reached the final week of a three-year programme to survey geology and also fauna and flora on the North Face of the Munro near Fort William. Image copyright Highland Mountain Company

    On Twitter, Mr Cameron tweeted the Highland Mountain Company's photographs with the message:
    Quote "Spot the climber!

    "Utterly astonishing depth of snow yesterday on Ben Nevis. Possibly 15m+"
    Mr Cameron, who studies, photographs and writes about snow, has previously investigated evidence of an avalanche thought to have occurred during the summer last year in a remote mountain range in the Highlands.

    He also counts patches of snow that survive from one winter into the next.


    Iain Cameron's tweet about the snow on The North Face of Ben Nevis Last year, Mr Cameron recorded 73 patches - the most for 21 years. He said the snow survived because of a cool spring and frequent snow showers until June. Image copyright Iain Cameron/Twitter

    The scientific team surveying the North Face on Ben Nevis have encountered snowy conditions before.

    In 2014, they came across hazards common in arctic and alpine areas but described as "extremely unusual" in the UK during the summer.

    While negotiating snowfields, they found compacted, dense, ice hard snow call neve.

    Neve is the first stage in the formation of glaciers, the team said.

    The team has also encountered sheets of snow weighing hundreds of tonnes and tunnels and fissures known as bergschrunds.

    The large, deep cracks in the ice are found at the top of glaciers.

    Image copyright Iain Cameron Image caption Iain Cameron in a snow tunnel in a large patch of snow last year


    Iain Cameron in a snow tunnel in a large patch of snow last year

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    this adds some valuable info'



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    We’re living in a brief window of time where our planet isn’t frozen underneath a giant layer of glaciers. How much longer will the moderate climate that we’ve come to know as “normal” continue? What causes these dramatic shifts in temperature that thaw our planet and then throw it back into a state of deep freeze? This episode looks at how the changes in our planet’s orbit and rotation impacts our climate.

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    In the 90s the media scared the bejeebers out of many including me with all the doom and gloom of the coming global warming...

    An' what do you know, in the new century it becomes "climate change" - that covers all bases so we can scare everyone whether it gets warmer, colder, rainier or drier - be scared, be very scared!!! You can be sure if it continues to get colder, the media will forget climate change and it will only be talk of the next ice age. Whatever is happening is used to steer the masses.

    For me, the biggest issue here is that it's stopped being science and become belief. We should never forget the University of East Anglia Emails scandal,etc, etc., books like "The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert"

    A nurse where my wife works didn't come to work recently and after 2 days of her absense people went to her flat and found her dead on the floor - a supposedly fit 30 year old. Just saying....

    G'nite and don't forget to stay scared always!

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    Ice age it is:

    Irregular heartbeat of the Sun driven by double dynamo

    Published on Thursday, 09 July 2015 08:17
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    Date: July 9, 2015Source: Royal Astronomical Society (RAS)Summary:
    A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the 'mini ice age' that began in 1645.


    Montage of images of solar activity between August 1991 and September 2001. Credit: Yohkoh/ISAS/Lockheed-Martin/NAOJ/U. Tokyo/NASA. Click for a full-size image

    A new model of the Sun’s solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun’s 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the ‘mini ice age’ that began in 1645. Results will be presented today by Prof Valentina Zharkova at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno.

    It is 172 years since a scientist first spotted that the Sun’s activity varies over a cycle lasting around 10 to 12 years. But every cycle is a little different and none of the models of causes to date have fully explained fluctuations. Many solar physicists have put the cause of the solar cycle down to a dynamo caused by convecting fluid deep within the Sun. Now, Zharkova and her colleagues have found that adding a second dynamo, close to the surface, completes the picture with surprising accuracy.

    “We found magnetic wave components appearing in pairs, originating in two different layers in the Sun’s interior. They both have a frequency of approximately 11 years, although this frequency is slightly different, and they are offset in time. Over the cycle, the waves fluctuate between the northern and southern hemispheres of the Sun. Combining both waves together and comparing to real data for the current solar cycle, we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97%,” said Zharkova.

    Zharkova and her colleagues derived their model using a technique called ‘principal component analysis’ of the magnetic field observations from the Wilcox Solar Observatory in California. They examined three solar cycles-worth of magnetic field activity, covering the period from 1976-2008. In addition, they compared their predictions to average sunspot numbers, another strong marker of solar activity. All the predictions and observations were closely matched.

    Looking ahead to the next solar cycles, the model predicts that the pair of waves become increasingly offset during Cycle 25, which peaks in 2022. During Cycle 26, which covers the decade from 2030-2040, the two waves will become exactly out of synch and this will cause a significant reduction in solar activity.

    “In cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other – peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun. Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other. We predict that this will lead to the properties of a ‘Maunder minimum’,” said Zharkova. “Effectively, when the waves are approximately in phase, they can show strong interaction, or resonance, and we have strong solar activity. When they are out of phase, we have solar minimums. When there is full phase separation, we have the conditions last seen during the Maunder minimum, 370 years ago.”

    https://www.ras.org.uk/news-and-pres...-double-dynamo


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    This point from above cannot be overemphasized:

    Quote ... the waves fluctuate between the northern and southern hemispheres of the Sun. Combining both waves together and comparing to real data for the current solar cycle, we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97%,” said Zharkova.
    That's real science!

    Because their theoretical model, derived from facts, can predict other data - not yet observed - with a 97% accuracy... mind blowing!

    So it sounds like the IPCC has asked for this publication to be removed. It was brought up in a discussion between Suspicious Observers and Dave from adapt 2020 on Aug. 20th. Zharkova has contacted each scientist that wishes it removed but not one will respond to her. She wishes to present her side and wants to know why it is to be removed. It sounds like they are putting a lot of pressure on the journal to remove it. And it sounds like they may succeed.

    http://www.nature.com/articles/srep15689

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