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    Other than 9/11, I'd think the JFK assassination would be the grand daddy of conspiracy theories. There's an entire cottage industry out there for it, yet no sub forum here at Avalon??

    I watched this video last night....and rate it one of the better ones of late.



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    The Magical Mystery Tour Beattles video used to be on You Tube but is no longer. I had hoped to provide a link to it. In that video there is a segment where the Fab 4 don magician's robes, pointy hats and wands and goof around. The reason I wanted to link that, is because it symbolizes what's happening. The magicians are tricking people into believing things that aren't true. If you really want to know what happened in the JFK assassination, you're going to have to do some homework.
    1. Hume's testimony to the Warren Commission.http://aarclibrary.org/publib/contents/wc/contents_wh2.htm[/URL]http://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/html/WC_Vol2_0178a.htm
    2. Parkland doctors testimonies.
    Dr. Carricohttp://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc...Vol6_0006a.htm
    Dr.Perryhttp://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc...Vol6_0009a.htm
    Dr. Clarkhttp://http://aarclibrary.org/publib...Vol6_0014b.htm
    Here's the contents page for Volume 2 of Warren Commission testimony and you can read the rest.http://aarclibrary.org/publib/conten...ntents_wh6.htm
    For the Parkland doctors testimony Arlen Specter traveled down to Dallas testimony and took each doctor's testimony individually. Later only Dr. Carrico (first doctor to see JFK and inserted the ET tube) and Dr. Perry (the doctor who performed the tracheotomy) traveled to Washington DC to give their testimony.
    First is the fact that the Parkland doctors inserted chest tubes bilaterally and connected to underwater drainage. This meant both tubes had to have been inserted into the chest.
    The doctors also did 3 cutdowns for IVs. One in each ankle and one in left antecubital space (inside elbow). The cut down that was done by an oral surgeon in an ankle infiltrated. Infiltrated means the fluid started going into the tissue and swelled. Another cutdown was not done because the other 2 IVs were flowing so well. JFK received 2 units O negative blood and IV fluid.
    The body that was autopsied by Humes did not have holes where tubes were inserted into the body. The body he autopsied only had superficial lacerations and no swollen areas from an IV infiltration.
    The body Hume's autopsied only had superficial wounds where chest tubes and IVs would have been inserted. The body he autopsied did not have the holes or medical wounds that the real JFK had received.
    The constantly repeated story of Humes burning his notes is just a distraction. It distracts from the fact that Humes, Boswell, Finck and John Stringer (photographer) all saw a bullet hole 2.5 cm from midline at the occipital protuberance. The problem with this hole is that it would have been impossible in the real JFK body. If the bullet had hit there it would have gone through his jaw. It's not me saying this. It's the Clark panel and the HSCA saying a hole at the occipital protuberance 2.5cm right of midline was not possible, but the Clark Panel nor the HSCA ever thought the body was not JFK. Humes, Boswell, Finck and Stringer never waivered from their position that the body they autopsied had a hole at the occipital protuberance, 2.5 cm right of midline. The Clark Panel and HSCA of course never got to look at the body. They only had autopsy photos and x-rays. The story about the pictures and x-rays is a whole other topic.
    When Dr. Hume's testified before the Warren Commission, he wasn't allowed to look at the autopsy photos, only 2 pictures from the Zapruder film were allowed to be seen. You'll read Dr. Hume's very detailed description of the brain. Dr. Hume was no dummy
    This is a link to Dr. Hume's testimony to the HSCAhttps://www.maryferrell.org/pages/HS...nterviews.html
    There is a recording and transcript.
    What impressed me was how supportive Dr. Hume's was to all his staff. He spoke always supportive of everyone. The critics have taken advantage of him. If the critics would simply look at what he did find, they would find proof the body he autopsied was not JFK's.
    If some of these links don't work google AARC Warren Commission testimony.
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    We know JFK was killed by the Elite, Cabal, Illuminati, KM (Khazarian Mafia)... whatever name you want to use, all those are the same subhumans entities that have been controlling the world for many centuries. The Bush family is only one of some bloodlines involved.

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    The definitive video to watch is the 9 part series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy". Each part is roughly one hour long. If you don't have that kind of time, do watch parts 7, 8 and 9. A&E broadcast the first 7 episodes and then the elites stepped forward and prevented the airing of parts 8 and 9. Part 8 is the best one with part 9 the conclusion. Best video out there. A British company made it. The most damning evidence was the get together at Clint Murchison's (rich Dallas oil man) home the night before the murder. The British team tracked down the caterers and servers that worked the party and interviewed them. Quite a gathering.

    Also let us remember that JFK was hit by 3 bullets from 3 different angles. Gov. Connally was hit by a fourth bullet from yet another different angle. A pedestrian was struck by a piece of granite from a bullet that hit a curb section, which broke off a piece that ricochted off his chin drawing blood. That's 5 shots accounted for.

    I second the idea for a JFK sub forum.

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    How do you know that JFK was hit by 3 different bullets from 3 different angles?

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    The Men Who Killed Kennedy is a fantastic series (especially the banned final 3 episodes).

    As for the number of shooters and bullets fired, I think there were many (certainly more than 3 bullets). I think Kennedy was being hunted.

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    there was a good video on YouTube for a while. Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination. Gone now. George Bush Sr. was a major player, that is undeniable.
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    That's what the remote viewers confirmed too... And also J. Edgar Hoover was part of it.
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    How do you know that JFK was hit by 3 different bullets from 3 different angles?
    Robert J. Groden has written several books & produced videos extensively about the case & conspiracy, the "elite" tried very hard to shut him down. He was also consultant on the movie, JFK, which reignited public interest in the case.

    After DA Jim Garrison passed away, shortly after the movie was released (the primary investigator and consultant to the movie), DA Harry Connick Snr (yep, Dad of the famous singer/composer) took over the case. 4 of the 5 filing cabinets on the case had gone "missing."

    Quote Robert J. Groden (born November 22, 1945) is an American author who has written extensively about conspiracy theories regarding the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. His books include The Killing of a President: The Complete Photographic Record of the JFK Assassination, the Conspiracy, and the Cover-up; The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald: A Comprehensive Photographic Record; and JFK: The Case for Conspiracy (shorter version than his 1975 co-authored book).[1] Groden is a photo-optics technician who served as a photographic consultant for the House Select Committee on Assassinations.[2]

    A harsh critic of the Warren Commission, he also testified at the 1975 United States President's Commission on CIA activities within the United States (sometimes referred to as the Rockefeller Commission).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Groden

    The slowed & enhanced version of the Zapbruder footage below has had the bottom & right hand side cropped (how convenient!) - it's actually clearer before they did this (almost impossible to find that original version - but it features on the documentary, THE KILLING OF AMERICA)

    Other threads show irrefutable proof that the public copies of the Zapbruder footage & these enhanced versions have been tampered with.

    In 1989, according to the late Milton William (Bill) Cooper, (ex Navy Intelligence and whistleblower, & author of Behold A Pale Horse - 1991), the unedited true version of the Zapbruder footage is kept from public view, and that all of the public versions have been "altered" (including the one below). Cooper swore under oath, that the fatal shot was fired by Kennedy's driver, Agent William Greer (Greer falsified his testimony to the Warren Commision, stating that he looked over his right shoulder after the fatal shot, which even in this video can be seen as untrue.) Cooper's claim has been debunked (but then, hasn't every conspiracy theory? )

    After making these and other conspiracy claims (including correctly predicting 9/11), Cooper himself was gunned down and killed in his driveway after an "altercation" with police in November, 2001.

    https://www.google.co.nz/#q=bill+cooper


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwy6Q9_cUwc

    This is an adapted walkthrough of the Zapbruder footage extracted from Robert J. Groden's book, The Killing of a President:

    First shot: Fired from behind and misses, striking the pavement (just before the limo goes behind the sign) but Kennedy reacts: he stops waving to the crowd

    2nd & 3rd Shots: which was fired from the front, struck Kennedy in the throat (above), with the most logical point of origin being the grassy knoll. The third shot, fired a split second from behind, strikes Connally through the right armpit and chest (as the car emerges from the sign - Kennedy is grasping his throat).

    4th shot: came from behind, striking Kennedy in the back, instantly pushing him downward and forward. (This was the path of the remarkable ‘magic bullet’ which supposedly travelled through Kennedy’s body, exiting his throat and striking Connally).

    5th and fatal shot: came from the front, striking Kennedy squarely in the front right temple, causing massive fracturing, and forcing his head and upper torso violently rearward. The projectile exited from the rear of the head, leaving a wound the size of a fist. Also note the relative angle and position of Kennedy’s head at the point of impact (the damage from this shot could not have been caused by the weapon(s) firing the other shots - it took almost half of the top of Kennedy'd head off - the other shots left neat bullet holes. As the "other shots" came from two different directions, logically, there had to be at least two other shooters in addition to the fatal shot)

    6th Shot: A half second after the fatal shot to Kennedy’s head, a sixth bullet struck Connally in the right wrist, fired from behind. Seconds after this, Jackie Kennedy attempts to exit the car over the rear boot. (Why would she be trying to get out of the car?)

    6 shots, at least 3 assassins, all in different locations (and unlikely any of them were Lee Harvey Oswald)

    I'm not about to theorise who fired the fatal 5th shot - which came from in front of Kennedy, as all of the various theories on that have been debunked at some stage, which doesn't necessarily make them all untrue (so what's new? , ie, suspects include but not limited to: the Driver William Greer, Jackie, the Agent behind the Limo (impossible), Oswald (impossible), Shooter on the Grassy Knoll, etc ).
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    One shooter in the school book depository (lower than the supposed Oswald perch)....one shooter on/around/inside the Daltex building across the street....one (possibly 2) shooter on the grassy knoll. That's my guess. Could have been more shooters (storm drain, etc). Agreed that none were Oswald. Jackie wasn't trying to exit the car, she was trying to retrieve her husband's brains out the back of the vehicle.

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    Hi there, and my apologies for the rather late reply to the question to the mods.

    Yes, there certainly could be a JFK section, agreed. It's always tricky to decide what new sections to add, though. There could easily be another 20-30, if one brainstorms a little. Even in Ufology or Conspiracy Research alone! Let alone Spirituality, the NWO, Politics, and more...

    It's very much like the folder and subfolder structure on your computer: if it's too complex, then things start getting a little tangled, and harder to find or search for stuff. But I'm not disagreeing that there could be more... the question is what to feature, and what not to.

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    One shooter in the school book depository (lower than the supposed Oswald perch)....one shooter on/around/inside the Daltex building across the street....one (possibly 2) shooter on the grassy knoll. That's my guess. Could have been more shooters (storm drain, etc). Agreed that none were Oswald. Jackie wasn't trying to exit the car, she was trying to retrieve her husband's brains out the back of the vehicle.

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    Final (fatal) shooter: storm drain where the vehicle slowed down.... 7 or 8 "real" shooters in total, 1 fall guy.
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    Final (fatal) shooter: storm drain where the vehicle slowed down.... 7 or 8 "real" shooters in total, 1 fall guy.
    Storm Drain, yes. (The shooter was Johnny Roselli.)

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    Final (fatal) shooter: storm drain where the vehicle slowed down.... 7 or 8 "real" shooters in total, 1 fall guy.
    I started to watch a video in which they said that we now know there were 8 shooters, and we know their names. I didnt get to watch the rest of the video though. Where is this coming from? Has new evidence come out?

    I've always thought the drain shooter theory was said to be unlikely because they would have no field of vision. The shooter would only be able to see the car when it pulled right in front of him. He would have been at an awkward angle, and I believe I've seen, maybe even in The Men Who Killed Kennedy, someone looking into the sewer and showing how small it was and how difficult it would have been for someone to wait in there for the duration of the parade and to get into a decent shooting position.

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    someone looking into the sewer and showing how small it was and how difficult it would have been for someone to wait in there for the duration of the parade and to get into a decent shooting position.
    The car slowed to a stop at the drain location.. it would have been a shot from 10 or so feet away; the storm drain in 1963 was narrower and at least twice as tall as the drain is today (roads get repaved etc etc) so that attempt at "debunking" was actually rather comical.

    This is, by far, the BEST video on the topic I have ever seen. It leaves no stone unturned and will comprehensively answer any and all questions concerning the JFK incident.


    Quote The who, how & why of the JFK assassination. Taken from an historical perspective starting around world war 1 leading to present day. We hope after watching this video you will know more about what happened in the past and how the world is run today.


    FYI
    The below video will start at the portion that explains the shooter in the storm drain (1:49:00 into the 3+ hour film... your welcome haha )



    This is one of the best documentaries I've ever seen, if you have not watched it; you OWE it to your self... I've watched it 3 times.
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    Rich Man's Trick is a VERY good documentary for JFK. Though for 9/11, I prefer The New Pearl Harbor doc. Both are outstanding. I've never been to Dealy Plaza, though from what I've heard from people who have been there, it's a lot smaller than one would think having only seen it in videos or pictures.

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    Final (fatal) shooter: storm drain where the vehicle slowed down.... 7 or 8 "real" shooters in total, 1 fall guy.
    I started to watch a video in which they said that we now know there were 8 shooters, and we know their names. I didnt get to watch the rest of the video though. Where is this coming from? Has new evidence come out?

    I've always thought the drain shooter theory was said to be unlikely because they would have no field of vision. The shooter would only be able to see the car when it pulled right in front of him. He would have been at an awkward angle, and I believe I've seen, maybe even in The Men Who Killed Kennedy, someone looking into the sewer and showing how small it was and how difficult it would have been for someone to wait in there for the duration of the parade and to get into a decent shooting position.
    JFK was being hunted, from city to city, imo. They were going to get him in Chicago, and then in Miami, and finally they nailed him in Dallas.

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    When you think about the storm drain theory...I think it would take someone with nerves of steel to do it from there and stay huddled down there for hours afterwards, hoping that someone doesn't clue in - hey, what about down there??!!....thereby leaving oneself exposed to be caught. The other shooters were long gone within seconds. In fact, I'd bet that entire area would have been under surveillance for days. I really don't know what to think of the storm drain theory.

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    Quote Posted by Spellbound (here)
    When you think about the storm drain theory...I think it would take someone with nerves of steel to do it from there and stay huddled down there for hours afterwards, hoping that someone doesn't clue in - hey, what about down there??!!....thereby leaving oneself exposed to be caught. The other shooters were long gone within seconds. In fact, I'd bet that entire area would have been under surveillance for days. I really don't know what to think of the storm drain theory.

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    I think you should watch the video again... I know human kinds memory retention is weak (and as I've said, I've watched it over 3 times now)

    Here is your answer (the video will start at the right time to explain @ 1:52.27):


    a STORM drain isn't just a concrete box in the ground, it's connected by drainage tunnels... the shot was taken and the shooter crawled (crouched?) back through the 400 foot tunnel to an exit...

    IMO, this is CIA to the T... a well planned assassination with MULTIPLE contingencies built in.
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    This is, by far, the BEST video on the topic I have ever seen. It leaves no stone unturned and will comprehensively answer any and all questions concerning the JFK incident.
    Thanks. This is the video I was asking about and had started to watch.

    I think this guy is nuts tho. Who is he for starters? He's presenting highly controversial material as if it is proven fact, especially regarding JFK. I thought maybe there was some new research out there that I had missed, but apparently, this is his own research and his own opinions.

    The guy in front of the Book Depository doesnt look like George Bush. I like how he uses analysis from a YouTube video by a guy who he assumes is a police officer.

    It's funny how this video is making its way around the internet conspiracy world. Over three million views for some nobody? I wouldnt be surprised if this was intelligence propaganda. He uses a lot of facts but connects the dots in a reckless fashion.

    The American elites are not Nazis. I keep hearing this. They used the Nazis. They arent gangsters either. They are opportunists.

    The J.D. Tippitt theory is nutty. They stole a policeman's body to replace JFK's? Sounds like it would greatly increase the degree of difficulty of the operation.

    I guess I'm just not buying it.

    Thanks though. This is the video I was referring to and trying to find.

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    Default Re: JFK: the Assassination of John Kennedy

    I wonder if we'll ever really know? There was another copy/version of the Zapbruder footage floating around a while back, non-enhanced - (I think from Russia?) I downloaded it at the time.

    I'm not entirely convinced Jackie is trying to get pieces of JFK's brain off the trunk lid either; (I know that's what she testified) - her body actions would say otherwise - she's forced back into the car by one of the agents running behind the car. It looked to me as if she would have kept going otherwise, ie exiting the car.

    I also can't really see how the 5th fatal shot could have been fired from a drain either? The angles are all wrong? The shooter would have had to be standing or kneeling at the same height as Kennedy's head and firing from in front of the car (the shot would have to go between the two agents driving, & the Connally's and through the windscreen to hit JFK. That's one hell of a shot! Sorry, I don't buy it!
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