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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    [...] the description clearly states "NOT ORIGINAL"
    Thank you Olaf! I don't have a valid source for these documents.



    Is this quote correct?
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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    Atlas, I checked out that Shangri-la sentence. It's cited many times. Nearly impossible to tell if it's internet copypasta, or a legitamate quote. The truth is no one knows. But that's why I started this thread, to see what evidence there is out there.

    Olaf, thanks for debunking that passport. I checked and das Neue Berline does seem more common. The fact that the passport is fraudulent does not necessarily invalidate the existence of New Berlin, which has long been rumored. We are in tricky territory here. There will be layers and layers of misinformation.

    Studying now, so not much time to talk about every post, but everyone has made some interesting points.

    This is a very deep subject, in every sense of the word.

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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    Well, there is this point in understanding:

    If I was somehow to be able to go there myself, maybe 3-4-5-6 people on this forum and maybe a few of my family members would truly begin to believe me. I would know if if it was true or not, and the few people would have to stretch their credulity in one direction or another.

    The rest of the world would dismiss it wholesale, for the very vast part.

    The burden or proof is extreme, at best, especially with world changing, or life changing topics. That line about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence. Extreme, 'in your face' and in your life type of proof. The the alien must land on the Whitehouse lawn, with all TV channels on it, that kind of proofing. The kind of proof that sits on your chest, screams in your face like a drill sergeant,grabs your ears and gently bangs your head repeatedly on the floor, and never gives way, until your mind slowly shifts to the new paradigm. All with much pain, fear, wild thinking, and teeth gnashing. Literally, the truth in some way, either gently over time or quickly, must break you. The cup must be emptied or shattered so a new filler or cup can take it's place. Psychological breakdown is the minimum.

    Anything else... will simply fail in the face of what you currently are and exist as, vying silently in the backdrop of who you are....remaining in control and maintaining your world view.

    Getting into the minds of people, in how they exist today... is the critical part. The rest.. is just window dressing.

    What I'm trying to say is the veracity of this document vs some other has little to do with truth or change, the real component at and in play... is always the people, the reader.

    As for the document:

    Quote The company Hercules Incorporated developed the first alkaline sizing in the 1950s that made acid-free paper possible.
    But that was due to 1930's acidic paper which was in decay in libraries. How the Germans handled and printed their documents is a matter of question. The vast majority of documents and books from that time period were printed on wood pulp based paper which was invariably acidic and prone to degradation.

    One way to test the document is to do a spectral scan with an electron microscope for the elemental ingredients and levels - of the paper. This will show it's manufacturing techniques which can be identified in a given timeline and technology aspect.
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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    I think it is said that Donitz made that comment during the Nuremburg trials. If that is true it should be documented somewhere.

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    I am posting this private mail to Daozen here as calling someone out publicly and then apologising privately is not the done thing. Daozen has edited his post's but there was no need for him to do that. I deserved what he said. I'm not going to edit mine, I'd rather leave them up so as to serve as a reminder of what an a**hole I can be.

    Quote OK Daozen,

    I'd like to offer you an apology for my conduct last night, it was out of order and uncalled for. I should not have logged-on being in the frame of mind that I was, but there you go.

    Pompous........? Hmmmmm, maybe. Arrogant........? Yeah I could agree with that. I'd like to call it frustration because that is how I am right now, frustrated, but understand that that is my problem to deal with and nobody else's


    Regards.

    No drama. It's all good. Sorry to take it off-topic for a second.




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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    I'd love for this story to be true.

    For years I've heard about this, but so far nothing tangible has been brought forth, so all we are left with is stories. With regards to these secret orders, the first thing that hit me was the condition they are in. Unless they were hermetically sealed, they seem to be in as good as condition as the day they were printed. This in itself is not proof of authenticity or not, but an interesting observation.

    The thing that remains at the back of my head though, is that there have been myriad governmental operations that had they not have come to light from official sources, security classification expired, FOI request, etc, etc, they would have remained secret for eternity.

    Secrets, by their very nature, are secret, so the possibility that this story is true remains.


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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    Exactely Olaf, on top it's written BASE. the german word would be Basis. Back in 1933 Base was a sinonym for Aunt.

    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    That German ID card of "neue Berlin" is fake.

    There are several errors in it:
    • In German the name would be either "Neu-Berlin" or "das neue Berlin". "Neue Berlin" is orthographically incorrect.
    • At German maps of Antarctica the name of one location is "Neu-Berlin", not "Neue Berlin". (see this map of Asgard)
    • The German name for Antarctica is "Antarktis".
    • There are typographical errors too. Wrong quotes are used. In Germany we prefer 99 ... 66 („…“) whereas American people use 66 ... 99 (“ ... ”). But here is written "Neue Berlin“, which is completely wrong. Perhaps the used Truetype font did not have proper quotation marks, or the person who created that document simply did know about typography.
    • Somebody is selling that document at delcampe net. Even there the description clearly states "NOT ORIGINAL"

    So - it is a joke.



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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    I do agree with you Ultima Thule. The entire thing is written in the old german writing which my Granny teached me. and the numbers down on the left side with the graph are modern writings and numbers.
    What could be possible, is that these graphs where added later on to visualize better the instructions given above. just an Idea.


    Quote Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
    The document strikes me as the photoshop-product of someone with a bit of extra time. One would have to compare the typography of the document with actual ones from the 40s, but my instinct is - especially regarding the distance-marks(500 km etc.) - that the font used is slightly off, possibly too modern, mostly it looks too computer made(punctual with the distances between the letters seemingly of software-origin).
    Well, first instinct is that.

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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    On a German platform of the extreme-right / neo - Nazi movement the map was discussed and in one of the comments it was suggested that in the Third Reich the submarine commanders were never called 'Kapitaen' (captain, master, skipper), but always 'Kommandant' (commander).

    Though there was a rank called 'Kapitaenleutnant' (captain second lieutenant) which was the third-lowest officer's rank (as well as other lower ranks called . . - kapitaen) - whatever their personal rank was, they were called "Kommandant".

    So "Nur fuer Kapitaene von U-Booten der A-Klasse . . " on the top left might also be an indication of this special map being a fake.

    http://www.ubootarchiv.de/ubootwiki/...hp/Dienstgrade (German)


    edit: on the other hand The Fuehrer himself referred to the submarine commanders as 'Kapitaene' in a Christmas speech . . but in an official document . . ?
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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    My guess is the real part is the guy's photo on the id. The quotation marks are clearly incorrect, most of the lettering is too new, and I can probably buy stamps and seals like that at the surplus store down the street.

    Without any translating, what immediately threw me off was, in contrast to the very precise diving instructions, the location to submerge is simply 64 S 1 E. No minutes/seconds, which are fairly huge on the global scale.

    Although these documents appear to be modern replicas, the subject they concern may still be valid. Didn't Admiral Byrd think so?

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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    Here is a video with someone presenting the Map. (with German subtitles, duration 14:20)


    Original source video without subtitles, duration 24:20

    "Neuschwabenland - Russland gibt geheime KGB-Archive frei.srt" - deutsche Untertitel
    Transcript of German subtitles:
    Quote 1
    00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:00,011
    (time stamps matching original American frame rate of that video 29.97 fps.)

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    kramola.info

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    00:00:08,575 --> 00:00:14,681
    Hier sind einige Dokumente. Uns ist es gelungen, sie zur privaten Aufbewahrung abzuholen, nachdem das Projekt beendet wurde.

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    00:00:15,949 --> 00:00:21,688
    Mappen mit Überschrift:
    KGB UdSSR, das Forschungsinstitut, streng geheim ...

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    00:00:23,123 --> 00:00:30,096
    Hier ist die berühmte Karte, über die im Internet sehr viel gesprochen wird. Wir werden sie jetzt erstmals zeigen.

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    Das ist jene berühmte Lotsenanweisung, mit deren Hilfe die deutschen U-Boot-Seeleute angeblich unter die Eis-Gebiete der Antarktis gelangt sein sollen.

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    00:00:39,139 --> 00:00:45,145
    wo sie nach Anweisung Hitlers mit dem Bau des sogenannten "Neuschwabenland" begonnen haben sollen.

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    00:00:51,317 --> 00:00:58,291
    Sehr oft wird dieses Dokument im Internet in Verbindung gebracht mit dem so genannten Konzept der Hohlerde, auch "Asgard" genannt.

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    00:00:59,225 --> 00:01:06,232
    Das ist aber eine andere Frage, weil ich als Journalist in erster Linie daran interessiert bin, dieses Dokument nach seiner Echtheit/Autenzität zu analysieren.

    10
    00:01:06,766 --> 00:01:13,807
    In unserem Zeitalter der modernen Technologien ist es im Prinzip nicht so schwer, so eine Akte inklusive "altem" Papier zu fälschen bzw. zu produzieren.

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    00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:20,046
    Aber ein jedes Dokument weist bestimmte kleine Details auf, die es erlauben, das Dokument mit bestimmter Wahrscheinlichkeit auf Echtheit zu prüfen.

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    Karte für das Passieren der Meerestiefen
    Anweisung zum Passieren von Räumen und Korridoren zur Fahrt nach Agartha

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    Das Allererste, was mich an der Echtheit dieses Dokuments zweifeln ließ, war natürlich diese komische Zahl hier - 400 Meter Tauchtiefe.

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    Das heißt, damit man in die Untereis-Gebiete der Antarktis gelangen kann, müsste ein deutsches U-Boot auf etwa 400 Meter Tiefe untertauchen.

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    Wenn wir aber uns die technischen Daten der deutschen U-Boote aus dem Zweiten Weltkrieg betrachten, sehen wir, dass sie höchstens auf 250-300 Meter Tiefe tauchen konnten.

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    Das heißt, in 400 Meter Tiefe müsste ein deutsches U-Boot vom Wasserdruck zerdrückt werden, das Wasser müsste in das Innere des U-Bootes eindringen und so weiter.

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    Es gibt aber einige Details, die man noch analysieren muss.
    Technische Spezialisten aus dem Bereich des militärischen Seewesens haben uns bestätigt, dass so etwas möglich ist.

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    Nämlich, es war möglich, auf 400 Meter Tiefe unterzutauchen.
    Damals wurde eine spezielle U-Boot-Klasse für das Sonderkonvoi des Führers gebaut. Diese U-Boote wurden etwas vulgär, wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, als "die Kühe" bezeichnet.

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    Weil das wirklich sehr große U-Boote waren, die für Materialversorgung als Versorgungsschiffe bestimmt waren.
    Und diese U-Boote hatten wie auch moderne U-Boote einen doppelwandigen Körper.

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    Und wir haben die Information in diesen Dokumenten gefunden, dass der Raum zwischen zwei Außenwänden des U-Boots mit Ethanol/reinem Alkohol gefüllt wurde.

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    Ich weiß nicht, wie diese technische Seite mit dem Ethanol genau funktionieren sollte, daran arbeiten wir noch.

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    Jedenfalls sollte es möglich sein, mit dieser Hydro-Isolierung mithilfe Ethanols zwischen den Außenwänden die Festigkeit des U-Bootes zu erhöhen.

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    Warum ausgerechnet Ethanol dafür genommen wurde, das müssen wir auch noch herausfinden.

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    Es gibt hier noch ein blaues Heft und einige andere Dokumente, wo geschrieben steht, dass man in der Gegend um Berlin und in anderen Gebieten die ganze Kartoffelernte beschlagnahmen soll, um daraus Ethanol zu
    produzieren,

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    um diese großen U-Boote ausreichend mit Ethanol zu versorgen.

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    Im Dokument selbst wird die ganze Methodik beschrieben, wie man mit dem U-Boot unter den Eisschild der Antarktis gelangt, also alle Längsneigungen und Längswinkel auf jedem Wegabschnitt, die man braucht um da
    durch zu kommen.

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    Im Dokument selbst wird die ganze Methodik beschrieben.
    Ein interessanter Zufall, den wir bei der Analyse der Karte entdeckt haben: nach bestimmter Anzahl der zurückgelegten Kilometer unter dem Eis gelangt das U-Boot in einen Hohlraum, wo es auftauchen kann.

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    00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:50,563
    Dieser Hohlraum unter dem Eis ist relativ groß, und er ähnelt in seiner Struktur und Größe dem heute bekannten Wostoksee (4 km unter dem Eispanzer).

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    00:03:50,697 --> 00:04:04,711
    In den letzten 10 Jahren wird immer wieder versucht, bis zu dem Wostoksee durch den Eispanzer zu bohren, um an die Oberfläche des Sees zu gelangen. Das hat natürlich rein wissenschaftliche Zwecke.

    30
    00:04:06,279 --> 00:04:28,601
    Dabei wird immer wieder vermieden, die Frage der geomagnetischen Anomalie zu klären, die sich am äußersten Rand des Wostoksees befindet. Es wird diese Anomalie nur erwähnt, aber nicht weiter erklärt.

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    Wenn wir annehmen, dass dieses Dokument authentisch und echt ist, ich unterstreiche, wenn es echt sein soll, dann können wir annehmen,

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    dass unsere Regierungen, unsere Geheimdienste sehr wahrscheinlich den Versuch unternommen haben, in diesen Hohlraum gemäß dieser Karte hinein zu gelangen.

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    Vielleicht ist dieser Versuch auch fehlgeschlagen. Es ist möglich, dass diese Lotsenkarte nicht ganz korrekt ist, oder zu dem Zeitpunkt, als wir technisch schon in der Lage waren, in diesen Hohlraum mit einem
    U-Boot zu fahren,

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    muss man sich auch vergegenwartigen, dass wir es hier mit der Antarktis, mit dem Eis zu tun haben - die Eismasse verändert sich ständig, wir haben die Klimaerwärmung, das Eis schmilzt,

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    das heißt, es ist möglich, dass selbst 10 Jahre nach Erstellung dieser Lotsenkarte die Daten in der Karte nicht mehr aktuell sein könnten, weil das Eisprofil des Durchganges sich verändert haben könnte.

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    00:05:17,384 --> 00:05:23,356
    Der Durchgang könnte durch warme Wasserströmungen verändert worden sein, oder mit Eis verstaut, das Durchgangsprofil änderte sich.

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    Also als Lösung des Problems könnte unsere Regierung sich entscheiden, von oben durch eine Bohrung in diesen Hohlraum einzudringen. Das nur als eine Annahme von mir.

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    00:05:30,663 --> 00:05:38,705
    Erinnern wir uns daran, was die sowjetische Marine direkt nach dem Sieg im Zweiten Weltkrieg gemacht hat - die UdSSR hat das Gebiet in der Antarktis besetzt, das heute russische Basis "Nowolasarewskaja-Station"
    heißt.

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    Und genau an diesem Ort befand sich zwischen 1941 und 1945 die deutsche Basis bzw. Station, die für die Gründung des sogenannten "Neuschwabenland" zuständig war.

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    Was unsere Leute dort gefunden haben, ist nicht genau bekannt.

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    Auf berühmten Auktionen der Welt, wie z.B. auf Sothebys in London, werden jene Fahnen versteigert, die die deutschen Piloten damals über der Antarktis verteilt haben.

    42
    00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:20,000
    Es wurden damals etwa 1000 Fahnen über Neuschwabenland aus der Luft verteilt, und eine Fahne wird jetzt auf Sothebys für den Kaufpreis ab einer Million Dollar verteigert.
    Man kann diese Auktions-Versteigerungen im Internet finden.

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    Der zweite Teil der Karte ist auch sehr umstritten und interessant, die Hinweise darauf finden sich bei den antiken Philosophen und Historikern und allgemein in der Mythologie auf der ganzen Welt.

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    Ein sehr umstrittener Teil - wir haben lange darüber nachgedacht, und sind zu keiner eindeutigen Antwort gelangt.

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    Hier sind zwei Hemisphären dargestellt, die nicht irgend etwas frei erfundenes sein sollen, sondern angeblich eine Kartierung jenes Teils der hohlen Erde, wohin die Deutschen mit ihren U-Booten gelangt sein
    sollen.

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    Hier sind sogar die deutschen Basen in einer unterirdischen Hemisphäre abgebildet, die es den Deutschen angeblich damals gelang zu gründen.

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    Ob das wirklich so sein soll oder nicht, das kann man nicht sagen. Aber, dieser Karte ist ein blaues Heft beigefügt, dazu sage ich was später.

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    Wenn man hier den unteren Teil der Karte liest, ist hier zu sehen, dass davon 1500 Exemplare gedruckt worden waren, im KZ Dachau, gedruckt im Jahre 1944.
    Wahrscheinlich wurden alle an dem Projekt beteiligten Personen vernichtet.

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    Dazu noch sehen wir hier interessante Markierungen.
    Wir haben lange gerätselt, was sie zu bedeuten haben, bis uns der bekannte Ozeanologe Angtoli Tawritscheski die Augen geöffnet hat.

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    Zuerst haben wir vermutet, dass diese Zahlenangaben die Datumsangaben darstellen, wann es zum Schmelzen des Eises in Sommerzeiten kommt.

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    Und er meinte zu uns, dass das einfach die Gezeiten-Werte sind, die täglichen Flut- und Ebbe-Werte.

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    Das heißt, diese Werte sind für die U-Boote wahrscheinlich wichtig wegen Unterwasser-Stömungen oder dem Wasserdruck oder anderen physikalischen Faktoren.

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    Es ist anzunehmen, dass jedes U-Boot gleich mehrere Exemplare von diesen Karten an Bord hatte, weil hier die Daten für jeden Monat angegeben sind, nicht nach Jahreszeiten.

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    Das heißt, man hat jeden Monat die Zeitwerte für Ebben und Fluten an dem Ort gemessen.

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    Das heißt, wenn man all diese Werte nicht kennt, kann man dorthin kaum gelangen. Ehrlich gesagt, ich verstehe gar nicht, wie die Deutschen diesen Tunnel unter dem Eis passieren konnten, falls sie es tatsächlich
    taten.

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    Interessant ist auch, dass dieses ganze Thema mit der Antarktis, mit Neuschwabenland und der Hohlerde bei den Deutschen ziemlich spontan und plötzlich 1939 auftauchte,

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    direkt nach der berühmten Expedition von Ernst Schäfer nach Tibet - "Ahnenerbe" wollte Tibet erforschen, um dort die Spuren der Arier zu finden.

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    Ich habe bei mir diesen Film von der Expedition mit 2,5 Stunden Filmmaterial, wo sie die Schädel der Tibeter vermessen und verschiedene ethnographische Untersuchungen durchführen.

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    Also ausgerechnet nach Rückkehr der Expedition nach Deutschland und nachdem Ernst Schäfer zum Sturmbannführer SS und zu einem der Leiter von "Ahnenerbe" ernannt wurde,

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    waren die Deutschen plötzlich an der Erforschung der Antarktis brennend interessiert. Es ist unklar, was die Deutschen im Tibet gefunden haben, in 1941-42 hatten sie schon die genauen Informationen, was sich
    unter der Erde befindet.

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    Diese Informationen über die Hohlerde sind natürlich absolut absurd und nicht haltbar aus Sicht der modernen Geologie und Physik und Vorstellungen über den inneren Aufbau des Planeten.

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    Zusammen mit dieser Karte gelang es uns, dieses Heftlein, sagen wir mal so, zur längerfristigen Aufbewahrung mitzunehmen. Das Heft stammt von einem Oberst ... ich kann leider kein Deutsch und kann das hier nicht
    lesen,

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    Er heißt Wilhelm Wolf und hat irgend einen höheren Dienstgrad. Das Heft ist mit 10. März 1940 datiert.

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    Im Heft werden die Empfehlungen und Befehle des
    Führers beschrieben. Hier sehe ich den Befehl Nr. 8 vom 10. Januar 1940 ...

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    Die Empfehlungen betreffen das Thema, wie man das Personal für U-Boote und das Personal für geplante Arbeiten auf der Basis unter dem Eis in der Antarktis auswählen soll.

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    Interessante Beschreibungen ... und hier wird anscheinend der zweite Teil der Maßnahmen beschrieben, weil der erste Teil oder erste Versuch wahrscheinlich fehlgeschlagen ist, weil

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    weil hier steht, dass man von der bereits vorhandenen Erfahrung ausgehend dieses Mal von der Anwerbung die Leute ausschließen soll, die die Familien haben, und dass man die Aufklärungsarbeit durchführen soll und
    den Bewerbern erklären, dass ...

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    dass man höchstwahrscheinlich für immer abreist und nicht zurück kommt - alles im Namen des Reiches und des Aufbaus eines neuen Staates u.s.w.

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    Dieses Heft wurde zusammen mit zwei Fotos von unseren tapferen Kämpfern vom militärischen Abschirmdienst SMERSCH in Deutschland in Besitz genommen.

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    Zwei interessante Fotos - auf der Rückseite eines der beiden Fotos sind alle Namen der abgebildeten Personen aufgeschrieben, sodass man anhand dieser Namen nähere Informationen über diese Personen gewinnen kann.

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    Hier in der Mitte ist "Genosse" Wolf zu sehen, dem dieses Heft und die Notizen darin gehören ... hier sind die Personen mit Zeichen markiert, wer wo steht ...

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    Also, wenn ich das richtig verstehe, die Personen, die auf dem Foto abgebildet sind, waren mit der Vorbereitung der Errichtung der Basis in der Antarktis beschäftigt bzw. beauftragt.

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    (Der Flugzeugträger "Schwabenland" katapultiert eines der beiden 10-t-Dornier-Wale zum Erkundungs- und Vermessungsflug in die Antarktis.)

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    Das Heft zeichnet sich durch typisch deutsche Bürokratie/Pedantismus aus. Am Ende des Heftes ist die Gesamtzahl der Seiten angegeben,

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    mit Reichsmarke gestempelt, und das Heft wurde dann wahrscheinlich zur Aufbewahrung ins Archiv übergeben.
    Es gelang aber im Endergebnis in unsere Hände.

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    Das sind alles Dokumente, die aus der so genannten Mappe "Merkulow" stammen, deren Inhalt jetzt ziemlich aktiv im Internet verbreitet wird.

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    In den letzten 4 Jahren haben wir aus dieser Mappe, schätze ich, etwa 20-30% des Inhalts veröffentlicht.
    Der Rest der Dokumente ist nicht nur umstritten, sondern gerät ziemlich heftig in Widerspruch mit der modernen Geschichtsschreibung,

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    Und ich glaube, man sollte zuerst die Dokumente selber geistig bearbeiten, nachvollziehen und mit Kommentaren versehen, bevor diese Informationen einfach so unkommentiert veröffentlicht werden können.

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    Das sowjetische Dokument des militärischen Abwehrdienstes "SMERSCH", das der KGB-Mappe mit deutschen Dokumenten beigefügt ist, ist echt.
    Die Karte und das Heft wurden wirklich 1945 gefunden.
    Das heißt, falls die deutschen Dokumente eine Fälschung sein sollten, dann mussten sie von den Nazis noch vor 1945 gefertigt worden sein, z.B. als Täuschungsmanöver, um den Feind (Russen und/oder Amis) in die
    Irre zu leiten, damit der Feind seine Kräfte in der Antarktis verschwendet.

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    Es folgt jetzt die wortgenaue Übersetzung des sowjetischen Dokuments vom militärischen Abwehrdienst "SMERSCH" vom 12. September 1945 aus diesem Video

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    Es folgt jetzt die wortgenaue Übersetzung des sowjetischen Dokuments vo dem militärischen Abwehrdienst "SMERSCH" vom 12. September 1945 aus diesem Video

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    Abwehrdienst "SMERSCH" 12. September 1945, Nr Moskau

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    (An) Volkskommissariat (= Ministerium) der Staatssicherheit der UdSSR dem Genossen W. N. Merkulow (Minister der Staatssicherheit der UdSSR von 1943-46)

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    (Text) Anbei ist ein geheimes Heft, mit den Texten der aufgeschriebenen Befehle des Oberbefehlshabers der Streitkräfte Deutschlands Adolf Hitler und des Reichsführers "SS", über die Rekrutierung der Kandidaten
    unter den Militärangehörigen der Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine und Truppen "SS" für die Entsendung in die Antarktis.

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    (Text Fortsetzung) Das Heft mit aufgeschriebenen Befehlen gehört dem Oberst der Wehrmacht Wilhelm Wolf, der zu diesem Zeitpunkt von den Organen des Abwehrdienstes "SMERSCH" gesucht wird.
    Das Heft wurde in den Archiven des Oberkommandos der Wehrmacht in der Stadt Pirna bei Dresden gefunden.

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    (Text Fortsetzung)
    Beigefügt: das Heft mit 12 Seiten, ein Paket mit Fotos und der Text mit der Übersetzung auf 7 Seiten.
    (Unterschrift) Abakumow
    (W. S. Abakumow, Chef des sowjetischen Abwehrdienstes SMERSCH)

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    (Siegel)
    14. September 1945
    1. Abteilung des Sekretariats des Volkskommissariats (= Ministerium) der Staatssicherheit der UdSSR
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    About the original post: It does not sound like proper German and some of the words don't make sense or wouldn't be used in that way. Looks fake to me.
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    I have to be sparing with my time here, or it'll cut into my study and work. I hope this thread will unfold over weeks. Many aspects have been brought up which need to be dealt with separately.

    On the font style, paper quality, preservation of the document, type of paper used;... The Nazis had V2 rockets, a modern airfleet, advanced science, and U-boats. With this range of technologies at their disposal, it's not unthinkable to guess they may have had "slightly advanced typography", and "better than average paper preservation techniques."

    Preserving a document for longer than 70 years is not rocket science. I have documents sitting in my room that were printed circa the 1930s. Take moisture and air out of the equation, and you can keep paper for a few decades.

    OTOH, all close investigations into the style of the paper and typeface are useful, as this is how hoaxes are uncovered.

    CNo2, I'll write back to your email when I get some free time, you raised some interesting points on other subjects. Olaf, thanks for your transcription and translation, I know that takes a lot of work. The English version will be worth looking at.
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    Quote Posted by Builder (here)
    About the original post: It does not sound like proper German and some of the words don't make sense or wouldn't be used in that way. Looks fake to me.
    In my view it is proper German. The only word I did not knew was "Zuglastigkeit".
    But a Google search shows that this word is used in engineering.

    Regarding the paper quality (acid-free paper): Some years ago I have seen some magazines that ware printed in NAZI germany, where the paper showed no signs of destruction. It was a nudist magazine with high quality foto printing.
    Also in my familiy we had some Bibles that were printed about 1910, which were in absolutely perfekt condition.
    From time to time fashion magazines from that time are sold at ebay that seem to be in good conditions.

    Mixing of old style fonts and "modern" latin fonts was also very common. For instance in advertisings in newspapers from that time you find all kinds of "old" and modern fonts.

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    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    The only word I did not knew was "Zuglastigkeit".
    I don't understand the frequent use of the word Schräglage. Why would the sail all the time with Schräglage? The text would make sense if Schräglage meant something like a navigation course, but I have never heard it used in German that way. It means banked over, lopsided, heel.

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    Quote Posted by Builder (here)
    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    The only word I did not knew was "Zuglastigkeit".
    I don't understand the frequent use of the word Schräglage. Why would the sail all the time with Schräglage? The text would make sense if Schräglage meant something like a navigation course, but I have never heard it used in German that way. It means banked over, lopsided, heel.
    it would be the 'pitch' or 'angle' of the submarine ..

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    May I make a general observation about language translation?

    Specific subjects often require specialist translators. For example, I came across a military translation from Latvian or Lithuanian (I think) into English that stated the number of 'destroyers' possessed by some military power. Military specialists looked at the translation in disbelief considering it an unexpectedly large number of destroyers.

    Of course in military terms in English destroyer clearly means large warship. But in the original language in meant bomber aircraft. The non-military translator did not know this. A specialist military translator would not have made this mistake.

    That's a fairly straightforward nuts-and-bolts sort of error. Nuance can also be mistranslated, giving an important statement much more or much less gravitas than was intended in the original language.

    There are also cultural differences to consider. In some cultures apology as understood in the West is not a clear concept - the nearest being an expression of 'regret'. Which may sound uncompromising to us, but in the original language it amounts to an apology.

    So next time you see a translation, please bear all this in mind. Has not only the factual content but also the emotional content been accurately translated?
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    Quote from Daozen: "Preserving a document for longer than 70 years is not rocket science. I have documents sitting in my room that were printed circa the 1930s. Take moisture and air out of the equation, and you can keep paper for a few decades."

    I have my passport from 1962; which interestingly was issued to me to allow me to travel to Germany. (My father was in the USAF.) It looks as good today as it did the day it was issued to me. No fading. No discoloration. No nothing. My passport was kept by my mother in a manila envelope in a desk and has been moved from place-to-place many times since 1962. She came across it last year while doing some cleaning and gave it to me. Official documents like passports, certificates of title, stock and bonds, and other negotiable instruments, are typically prepared from the best materials available at the time and with great care.

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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Well, there is this point in understanding:

    If I was somehow to be able to go there myself, maybe 3-4-5-6 people on this forum and maybe a few of my family members would truly begin to believe me. I would know if if it was true or not, and the few people would have to stretch their credulity in one direction or another.

    The rest of the world would dismiss it wholesale, for the very vast part.

    The burden or proof is extreme, at best, especially with world changing, or life changing topics. That line about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence. Extreme, 'in your face' and in your life type of proof. The the alien must land on the Whitehouse lawn, with all TV channels on it, that kind of proofing. The kind of proof that sits on your chest, screams in your face like a drill sergeant,grabs your ears and gently bangs your head repeatedly on the floor, and never gives way, until your mind slowly shifts to the new paradigm. All with much pain, fear, wild thinking, and teeth gnashing. Literally, the truth in some way, either gently over time or quickly, must break you. The cup must be emptied or shattered so a new filler or cup can take it's place. Psychological breakdown is the minimum.

    Anything else... will simply fail in the face of what you currently are and exist as, vying silently in the backdrop of who you are....remaining in control and maintaining your world view.

    Getting into the minds of people, in how they exist today... is the critical part. The rest.. is just window dressing.

    What I'm trying to say is the veracity of this document vs some other has little to do with truth or change, the real component at and in play... is always the people, the reader.

    As for the document:

    Quote The company Hercules Incorporated developed the first alkaline sizing in the 1950s that made acid-free paper possible.
    But that was due to 1930's acidic paper which was in decay in libraries. How the Germans handled and printed their documents is a matter of question. The vast majority of documents and books from that time period were printed on wood pulp based paper which was invariably acidic and prone to degradation.

    One way to test the document is to do a spectral scan with an electron microscope for the elemental ingredients and levels - of the paper. This will show it's manufacturing techniques which can be identified in a given timeline and technology aspect.
    here are a collection of very well preserved nazi papers found in Poland
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

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    Default Re: German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

    Not sure this is 100% relevant here but this seems to be the most recent thread that looks at Antarctica and the Nazi's...

    This is a short video (14min) that looks at some of the more mysterious visits to Antarctica. Includes some video footage of an interview with Admiral Byrd. (The title does not seem to reflect what is in the video itself.)

    Obama's Secret Antarctica Trip: A Planned WW3 Escape Route? (Operation Highjump Russia + U.S.)


    Quote This documentary short is a complex presentation of recent U.S. and Russian visits to Antarctica, the Nazis, and Hollow Earth, including its importance in Nazi Germany before and during WW2, and Antarctica's possible escape route off of the Earth for many Nazi's who mysteriously disappeared after the war without a trace. Few know the truth about Antarctica, as it is an expanse of land that has gone unnoticed for centuries. But not by the Nazis...They knew the truth...

    The Nazis believed there might have been a civilization inside the Earth. This was the belief of Helena Blavatsky, who profoundly influenced the Nazi's philosophy and esotericism. There is an abundance of evidence to suggest that a theory now considered dumb to most people, the hollow Earth, had an unusual cult following in Nazi Germany. German pop figures and writers also supported this idea, including one writer named Karl Neupert. The Earth was not a solid rock, but was shaped more like a human eyeball, having two portals of entry at the North and South poles and was hollow in the center. An empire was alleged to exist inside the Earth called Agartha. This is where the master race dwells.

    Why was this? The Nazis did not create the hollow Earth concept. The idea preceded them. Even illuminati members Edgar Allen Poe and Jules Verne alluded in their poetry and prose to such a place, deep underneath the crust. Call it conspiracy, but the Nazi's led three expeditions to Antarctica, and Admiral Richard Byrd, who led Operation Highjump, suggests that "bases" were established in Antarctica by the Nazis. They were doing something down there. Was the continent an escape for them?

    Now, Obama visited Antarctica in March, and he was preceded by Patriarch Kirill of Russia. Simultaneous to Obama's visit to the South Pole, his director of CIA, James Clapper, made a secret trip to Australia, another country with heavy interest in Antarctica. Kirill offered a strange blessing of Antarctica, calling the barren land an "ideal for human kind" because there were no weapons down there or any type of science experiments. Except, we know that is not true at all: there are multiple scientific expeditions that have gone to Antarctica: this was confirmed in an interview with Richard Byrd, who said that the region would become the center of scientific inquiry directly after WW2. What did he mean by this?

    All of the work in this documentary is, to the best of my ability, as accurate as possible. Some have questioned the authenticity of Richard Byrd's secret diary. Despite this, I have found no reason to doubt it authenticity, considering that many of the claims made in the book are highly detailed about his experiences.

    Please note: this video is not an attempt to offer a commentary on globe vs. flat earth. This video is meant to say that the Nazis were operating in Antarctica, and possibly made a quick escape through Antarctica when they had to flee. My commentary on hollow earth is meant to reflect what the Nazis believed in Europe at the time, influenced by Theosophist Helena Blavatsky, who believed the master race lived inside the Earth.

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