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    For instance, Kirchner explained, police in Branford, Connecticut, are “instructed to request DNA from people they merely observe acting inexplicably or strangely.”

    But because no legislation or legal precedent protects people from this frighteningly invasive practice, nothing would stop police departments in other cities and states from collecting genetic evidence without just cause.


    “In Florida law, basically, if we can ask consent, and they give it, we can obtain it,” Commander Heath Sanders, head of investigations for the Melbourne Police Department, told ProPublica. “We’re not going to be walking down the street and asking a five-year-old to stick out his tongue. That’s just not reasonable. But let’s say a kid’s 15, 16 years old, we can ask for consent without the parents.”

    While Fourth Amendment precedents mandate reasonable suspicion of an actual crime be present before requiring a search and seizure — in this context, for a person to fork over their DNA — asking someone to consent to voluntarily swab the inside of their cheek has yet to be thoroughly tested in court.

    Departments in the four states mentioned boast collecting DNA consensually has assisted in solving crime at an unprecedented rate — but with nothing governing how, when, or who police can ask for consent, thousands of otherwise innocent people now have their genetic information on file.

    Frederick Harran, Director of Public Safety for Bensalem Township, Pennsylvania — where even the thin excuse of someone ‘acting suspiciously’ could cause an officer to request DNA — told Kirchner in just four years, consensual collection cut burglaries by 42 percent. Bensalem partners with private lab Bode Cellmark Forensics, which the township funds using equally controversial drug asset forfeiture profits.

    “This has probably been the greatest innovation in local law enforcement since the bulletproof vest. It stops crime in its tracks,” Harran asserted. “So why everyone’s not doing it, I don’t know.”

    Although Harran believes these private databases ‘should establish their own best practices,’ without firm rules delineating DNA collection, police departments and cities could easily overstep privacy and rights boundaries.

    “There’s no laws, there’s nothing,” he continued. “We’re in uncharted territory. There’s nothing governing what we’re doing.”

    Consensual DNA collection, in essence, has become the wild west of the police state’s ever-expanding presence in our lives.

    Constitutional rights advocates and attorneys are understandably quite concerned about the collection of DNA on a voluntary basis when no suspicion of the commission of a crime exists, particularly in the case of juveniles, which, as University of Arizona law professor Jason Kreag warned, could create “a coercive environment.”

    “The laws and legislatures just haven’t caught up with this type of policing yet,” Kreag told ProPublica.

    Worse, guidelines for database samples differ widely between those used by the FBI and the private labs currently amassing consensually-obtained DNA.

    As Kirchner explains, the FBI-run national DNA database known as CODIS — the Combined DNA Index System — maintains exacting standards concerning how and when samples can be submitted and uploaded. But local police departments have begun partnering with “private labs that offer such fast, cheap testing that police can afford to amass DNA even to investigate minor crimes, from burglary to vandalism.”

    Michael Garvey, head of the Philadelphia Police Department’s office of forensic science, told ProPublica those lesser standards could ‘lead to meaningless or coincidental matches’ — a rather alarming thought considering how often people consent to hand over DNA.

    “No one knows what the rules are about what they’re going to upload into these private DNA databases or not,” Garvey cautioned. “Mixtures, partials — what’s their criteria? It varies.”

    And despite these local departments regularly partnering with private labs, as FBI agent Ann Todd told Kirchner, DNA profiles stored there would never be eligible for inclusion in CODIS as “those profiles do not meet the strict eligibility, quality, and privacy standards set forth in the federal law.”

    Most of the local police departments requesting samples of DNA require officers to get consent in writing — but even that isn’t necessarily standard procedure.

    When West Melbourne, Florida, police can’t obtain a sample from someone voluntarily, they’ve collected “abandoned DNA” from discarded cigarette butts and chewing gum, and Fairfax County, Virginia, police admit they don’t always have consent forms on hand.

    That could present serious issues when the subject is a minor.

    In an anecdotal example, Kirchner spoke with a father who was shocked to learn his 15-year-old son, Adam, had voluntarily given DNA to police in Melbourne, Florida, despite not having committed any crime.

    Officer Justin Valutsky approached Adam and his friends in an SUV parked outside a home in a gated community in March 2015. Advising the teens there had been a string of burglaries in the area, he asked which of them was going to give a DNA sample.

    Adam, believing the request indicated Valutsky wouldn’t allow them to leave unless someone agreed, volunteered.

    “I thought it meant we had to,” he said afterward.

    As soon as he discovered what had taken place, Adam’s father, a physician whose name Kirchner withheld to protect privacy, hired attorney Jason Hicks in hopes of having the sample destroyed. As a physician, he understood the potential ramifications of Adam’s DNA being stored in a database for no reason. Hicks had never encountered consensual DNA collection by police before — and because legislation has yet to catch up, the battle to destroy the sample took a full year and a half.

    “If this is okay,” Hicks told ProPublica, “what’s to stop police from walking up to children on a playground or a basketball court and sticking Q-tips in their mouths? As a parent, I get concerned about the erosion of the Fourth Amendment over time.”

    Indeed, while minors need parental consent for nearly everything, Big Government doesn’t (yet?) require a parent agree to allow the police state to collect and store their DNA for an untold period of time.

    “For me, the crux of it is, can they ask for an underage kid to consent to something like that without a parent?” Adam’s father asked. “According to the police department, that seems to be their policy. But to the general public, I think that would be news to them.”

    As invasive and Orwellian as voluntary DNA databases might seem, the FBI already catalogs millions of innocent people using facial recognition and other biometrics technology. Artificial intelligence already assists police departments across the country in predicting when a crime will be committed — and by whom. At least $1 trillion has been spent bolstering the U.S. police state — just since the attacks of 9/11.

    Considering the inability of police and FBI to prevent such mass shootings as occurred in Orlando, much less foil any legitimate terrorist plot, perhaps we should be asking who, exactly, does the government consider its enemy?

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    Default Re: Forget “Stop And Frisk” — Cops Across US Collecting DNA Of Innocent People In “Stop And Swabs”

    This is an unconstitutional stop and search under the US Consitution and state constitutions. But, if one consents to the act without duress in giving the consent, one waives his or her constitutionally protected natural right to be free from unwarranted search and seizure. Do not give consent.

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    This is an unconstitutional stop and search under the US Consitution and state constitutions. But, if one consents to the act without duress in giving the consent, one waives his or her constitutionally protected natural right to be free from unwarranted search and seizure. Do not give consent.
    Yup, too bad that only a few sheep know their rights.

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    Default Re: Forget “Stop And Frisk” — Cops Across US Collecting DNA Of Innocent People In “Stop And Swabs”

    Guess all these greedy people need organs and this a the quickest way to cross match for the corporations. Chavez stopped the illegals seizing of organs in Venezuela for the elites, via the homeless boys and left them on the side of the roads to face serious pain after the surgery without pain meds. Chaves was among those children who lost many organs. He stopped them and they gave him cancer at the UN. I'm just saying they are trying to make the immoral legal and stealing organs from unsuspecting citizens will follow. Or accidental deaths and forced organ donation upon death. This is getting hectic, and the elites don't realize they've pushed people to the edge. The plan to wipe out whole nations in war, if they can't vaccinate you and slow kill you mentally or physically. I think that if they could silence everything in the body other than the organs, they wold. Perhaps the "dumming down" is farther in scale than we know. Like a economic cancer to all citizens like a plague. Sure feels that way sometimes listening to the "tip-toe" hideaway media.

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