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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Please be a little more intelligent, and diligent, before posting idiocy like this. (I changed the thread title to clearly show the hoax the story actually is.)
    Are you serious Bill?
    Believing in aliens is not idiotic?

    I like to debunk aliens and Stonehenge alike.
    Both ain't real in my view.
    Well, your view may need a little enhanced magnification.

    I'll say this straight, if I may: from what you have posted and shared, you're not a very good (or maybe not a very experienced) researcher.

    That's not a hanging offense (as we say in English, as an idiom) ... but at least, please TRY. Casually copying a YouTube video you may have stumbled across is not 'research'.

    Many members' responses here will give you valuable clues and tips on how to check fact from fiction. It'd be smart (and wise) not to cling to and defend provisional personal opinion, but to take the opportunity of being a member here as one to learn a very great deal about a whole bunch of things, maybe literally every day. This absolutely is one of the very best places on the net to do that.

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    Before it's News is not the best site. Lots of easily disproven stuff on there.

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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

    Quote Posted by sweety (here)
    I like to debunk aliens and Stonehenge alike.
    Both ain't real in my view
    ??????!!! The last time I went past it on the motorway ...its still there! & aliens DO exist.

    Edit from Bill: sometimes you drive past aliens on the motorway, too.
    (Not so commonly in Wiltshire, but definitely in Nevada)


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    People think that the generation now is the most advanced , when thousands of years ago very high technology was present on earth... global as well as cosmic wars destroyed everything , i refer to one example , the destruction of Atlantis somewhere around 40,000 years ago ...The great pyramids of Egypt, one of the many huge stone structures found around the globe that has science still baffled... They debate how did they do it ??? Obviously the past civilizations were much smarter and more advanced , note in the past 100 years no one has built a stone pyramid in the mountains or on sand in the middle of nowhere with no resources nearby ... muchless align structures with the movement of stars ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    Am of the opinion that since the Industrial Revolution we have devolved in so many ways.


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    Am of the opinion that since the Industrial Revolution we have devolved in so many ways.

    Regards.
    I'd strongly agree.

    In fact, maybe we've all degenerated quite a lot since the Ancient Greeks over 2,000 years ago -- who were gifted, wise and often brilliant people. If Archimedes hadn't been killed by a Roman soldier who had no idea who he was, he'd almost certainly have perfected a workable steam engine... and then the Industrial Revolution might have happened round about the time of Christ. Following that, someone could have landed on the moon around 200 AD. That's how quick it can all move. Interesting stuff.

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    (Hi. We unsubscribed sweety, for poor research skills.)

    (wherever it's going )

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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

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    Side note, but we'll keep the thread open... it's interesting to talk about Archimedes ^^, one of mankind's very greatest geniuses.

    sweety has now been unsubscribed. Not my decision (the mods work as a consensus), but based on his posts in recent hours, I do actually fully support that. We wish him no ill at all -- we never wish ill on anyone -- but the mods concluded that he did not properly belong in this particular community.
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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

    Hi Sweety I always try not to be rude when disagreeing with other members and colleagues
    in work and friends and family. But you are a little off the mark with some of your claims.
    ( I like enthusiasm ) . Its fine not to agree with others but you may like to ' look before
    you leap ' into some of these threads. I like a good theory and even the odd 'crack pot'
    or two , but there is a difference from sensationalism and asking a question imo.

    Stonehenge was built over several phases over thousands of years and some of the
    Stones may well have been used on other monuments ? or brought straight to the site.
    I have watched many mainstream documentaries on the subject, and yes some
    alternate researchers speculate it could be older ? and question who may of built it.
    But not any I can recall think its a recent hoax , it is definitely thousands of years old .

    That does not mean you have to believe it or not but I would suggest trying to
    find more corroborative evidence , research or theory before posting if possible.

    There is still plenty of speculation of who ? , why ? and when? it was built.
    But it is definitely genuine and a real historic monument to something ?

    So there are plenty of questions to ask......I'l post links to a few if you want
    to look or not.....




    ====================================================
    BBC Operation Stonehenge What Lies Beneath 1of2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B54SP0Q2NlM

    ====================================================

    Stonehenge Documentary | Stonehenge facts and mystery english subtitles

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Sddbz_cac

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    Stonehenge rediscovered.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slTrDp08pLc

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    BBC - Stonehenge: A Timewatch Guide (2016)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upUBtSiq6DE
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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

    Quote (Hi. We unsubscribed sweety, for poor research skills.)

    (wherever it's going )

    That's typical ...LOL I need not bothered with post above. Though it might be
    interesting to somebody....

    Good luck Sweety on your journey......

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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

    I find it funny when people grossly underestimate the collective research ability and general intelligence of many members of this forum. I am glad to say we have an excellent ratio of critical thinkers and incredible researchers, that cover broadly almost any and all topics / specialties.

    Avalon is not a forum for "conspiracy theorists" - it is a forum for people who have eyes to see when things don't add up and when they do; to critically evaluate scenarios utilizing a large talent base; we are researchers and fact finders, but also speculators where speculations have the potential to bear fruit; we are spiritual warriors and lovers of life. It just so happens that these types of people have the skills to be able to examine and unfold the destructive conspiracies that plague our times that we should be aware of as a species, and debunk those that have no relevance (distractions), or those that are specifically crafted to deceive the "conspiracy theorists", as well as provide guidance to the confused. Avalon is not just another "conspiracy theory site" -- those relying on or believing so will be left disappointed.
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    It's not nice to be pleased for someone elses misfortune, I understand, but this timely departure has avoided the near certaintly of me being quite rude to him in the future.

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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

    Ewan wrote:

    Quote It's not nice to be pleased for someone elses misfortune, I understand, but this timely departure has avoided the near certaintly of me being quite rude to him in the future.
    Yep. I've never understood the people that thank mods on the Record of Forum Actions thread when they ban people. Comes across as a little sycophantic to me, in fact, I find it quite disturbing.......


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    Lets settle the argument on Stonehenge, I built it in my back yard, along with faking the Crop Circles and all the UFO reports in the world. Hence problem solved.

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    Ewan wrote:

    Quote It's not nice to be pleased for someone elses misfortune, I understand, but this timely departure has avoided the near certaintly of me being quite rude to him in the future.
    Yep. I've never understood the people that thank mods on the Record of Forum Actions thread when they ban people. Comes across as a little sycophantic to me, in fact, I find it quite disturbing.......

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    Well, it may just be rather like someone thanking the action taken when it's the right one, to benefit the community as a whole -- as it sometimes can be.

    One has to consider what we also do behind the scenes, literally every day: screen out membership applications which never make it here, because the fit would not be a good one, or potentially sometimes even damaging.

    When we consider the new applications, of course it's an imperfect process, as we cannot know all the information about an applicant member. Sometimes, that only comes to light soon after they've joined, as in this particular case. But it works pretty well maybe 95% of the time.

    Here, it may be more helpful to think of it as correcting a bad decision we made ourselves. We're not trying to punish anyone here, and we are not saying sweety was a bad person, because we're sure he is not. We do, genuinely, wish him well.

    But this was not the right online community for him, and it's our job to make that judgment, as best we can. If he'd replied saying: "Hey Guys, sorry I got this all wrong, I'm new around here, and I'll do a little better next time"... then it might have all been different. He, like all of us, are on a journey that is always changing.
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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

    Quote Comes across as a little sycophantic to me, in fact, I find it quite disturbing.......
    Where as I acknowledge your view , you have reminded me of the ' Thank You ' button
    I have said this before , it means different things to different members.....

    For me I use it to say thanks for the info or interesting article/post. On my own
    threads its an acknowledgement that people have posted and have looked in
    usually.Or it might be I read a post and acknowledge it whether I agree with it or
    not.So for me it has multi functions .....

    I deleted pics myself , a little OTT on reflection....
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    Quote Well, it may just be rather like someone thanking the action taken when it's the right one, to benefit the community as a whole -- as it sometimes can be.

    One has to consider what we also do behind the scenes, literally every day: screen out membership applications which never make it here, because the fit would not be a good one, or potentially sometimes even damaging.

    When we consider the new applications, of course it's an imperfect process, as we cannot know all the information about an applicant member. Sometimes, that only comes to light soon after they've joined, as in this particular case. But it works pretty well maybe 95% of the time.

    Here, it may be more helpful to think of it as correcting a bad decision we made ourselves. We're not trying to punish anyone here, and we are not saying sweety was a bad person, because we're sure he is not. We do, genuinely, wish him well.

    But this was not the right online community for him, and it's our job to make that judgment, as best we can. If he'd replied saying: "Hey Guys, sorry I got this all wrong, I'm new around here, and I'll do a little better next time"... then it might have all been different. He, like all of us, are on a journey that is always changing.
    I get it Bill and understand that these actions have to be taken, and also understand that I'm not privy to information behind the scenes. When someone is banned, rightly or wrongly, and you get loads of members 'thanking', it always leaves me with the image of a high-fenced, ringed village, with the now ex-member walking away, with the Mods (gatekeepers) shutting the gate. Then loads of members rushing up to the Mods and thanking them. I think my use of the word, 'sycophantic' was probably wrong.

    That's just the image I get. Am not saying I'm right, am not saying I'm wrong. I don't think there is any 'right' or 'wrong' in that situation.

    It also makes me wonder of how we would handle this in a 'Real-World' situation. If the sh*t does hit the fan and we have to band together in small groups to survive...... how will people who's views do not fit the consensus be handled?

    Getting a mod to un-subscribe them won't cut it. And what do we learn of tolerance, of how to deal with people who do not conform to the group consensus? What of that?


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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

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    Quote Well, it may just be rather like someone thanking the action taken when it's the right one, to benefit the community as a whole -- as it sometimes can be.

    One has to consider what we also do behind the scenes, literally every day: screen out membership applications which never make it here, because the fit would not be a good one, or potentially sometimes even damaging.

    When we consider the new applications, of course it's an imperfect process, as we cannot know all the information about an applicant member. Sometimes, that only comes to light soon after they've joined, as in this particular case. But it works pretty well maybe 95% of the time.

    Here, it may be more helpful to think of it as correcting a bad decision we made ourselves. We're not trying to punish anyone here, and we are not saying sweety was a bad person, because we're sure he is not. We do, genuinely, wish him well.

    But this was not the right online community for him, and it's our job to make that judgment, as best we can. If he'd replied saying: "Hey Guys, sorry I got this all wrong, I'm new around here, and I'll do a little better next time"... then it might have all been different. He, like all of us, are on a journey that is always changing.
    I get it Bill and understand that these actions have to be taken, and also understand that I'm not privy to information behind the scenes. When someone is banned, rightly or wrongly, and you get loads of members 'thanking', it always leaves me with the image of a high-fenced, ringed village, with the now ex-member walking away, with the Mods (gatekeepers) shutting the gate. Then loads of members rushing up to the Mods and thanking them. I think my use of the word, 'sycophantic' was probably wrong.

    That's just the image I get. Am not saying I'm right, am not saying I'm wrong. I don't think there is any 'right' or 'wrong' in that situation.

    It also makes me wonder of how we would handle this in a 'Real-World' situation. If the sh*t does hit the fan and we have to band together in small groups to survive...... how will people who's views do not fit the consensus be handled?

    Getting a mod to un-subscribe them won't cut it. And what do we learn of tolerance, of how to deal with people who do not conform to the group consensus? What of that?


    Regards.
    At least in my case, and I can't speak for others, I often thank the mods for the banning note as an expression of
    "At last! What took them so long?"
    Because sometimes I actually find them a bit too democratic, too patient.

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    I like the feather-rufflers. I like to see the group dynamic challenged. I think it's important for growth.

    If it comes to out-and-out personal attacks, then I agree, something has to be done as there are ways to disagree without resorting to nastiness. As someone posted in this thread, when someone first has the blinkers taken off, everything can be seen as a conspiracy of some sort, and the temptation to 'run around screaming' can be quite high.

    As some clever person once said, "if you find you are the cleverest person in the room, you need to go to a different room".............. Or words to that effect.


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    Default Re: 'Stonehenge was built in 1954' (No, it wasn't. HOAX)

    Quote Posted by Citizen No2 (here)

    It also makes me wonder of how we would handle this in a 'Real-World' situation. If the sh*t does hit the fan and we have to band together in small groups to survive...... how will people who's views do not fit the consensus be handled?

    Getting a mod to un-subscribe them won't cut it. And what do we learn of tolerance, of how to deal with people who do not conform to the group consensus? What of that?
    I fully understand, I really do. All the mods do. It's a paradox. We really do need to take care of our neighbors in a crisis, even if we may not like them very much. Ask anyone who's been a real-world war zone.

    But (and this is a rhetorical question to illustrate the dilemma) -- do we remove the membership application process, and allow anyone at all out there to jump in and say anything they want?

    It'd then be just like Godlike Productions (or the comments on Infowars.com ). The whole forum would be destroyed within a week... like allowing a bunch of rioters with Molotov cocktails in a quiet library.
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