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    Default The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    BLOCKBUSTER! NEW WEB BROWSER TRASHES GOOGLE!

    This made me [Jim Stone] happy:

    CREATOR OF FIREFOX WEB BROWSER BRENDAN EICH WAS KICKED OUT OF HIS OWN ORGANIZATION FOR NOT SUPPORTING SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND NOT EVER BACKING DOWN. THEY THEN TURNED FIREFOX INTO A DOGPILE. HE THEN WROTE A NEW WEB BROWSER AND HAS RELEASED IT AS THE "BRAVE" BROWSER. RUMOR ON THE STREET IS THAT IT IS GREAT, CHECK IT OUT, DOWNLOAD HERE

    UPDATE: HA HA HA, HE'S PISSED WITH GOOGLE INTENTIONALLY SABOTAGING FIREFOX AND HAS PROGRAMMED THE NEW BROWSER TO BLOW GOOGLE AWAY!

    YEP. To make Chrome look better (when really it was not) Google sabotaged Firefox by causing Firefox to re-load ads multiple times, which slowed it down badly. Google did this by checking which browser was accessing a web site, and if it saw Firefox, Google would intentionally trip it up with the analytics scripts and ad scripts that loaded multiple times under instruction from Google. There was nothing Firefox could do to fix it because it was external sabotage. So what did Brendan do to get even? He ripped Google's own Chrome to pieces, took out the crapware parts of it, and had it intentionally screw over the GOOGLE tampering.

    HA HA HA, BLOCKBUSTER: THE BRAVE BROWSER WILL TAKE GOOGLE ADS (IF YOU TELL IT TO) AND REPLACE THEM WITH ADS THAT ARE SERVED BY THE BRAVE BROWSER'S OWN AD SERVICE. BRAVE THEN GIVES A KICKBACK TO THE WEB SITES WHO HAD THEIR ADS SWITCHED AWAY FROM GOOGLE. TALK ABOUT REVENGE! THAT IS WORTH MORE THAN A LAUGH!

    Way to go. Way to get even!

    GOOGLE IS LYING ABOUT CHROME'S POPULARITY ANYWAY:



    BOTTOM LINE? IF BRENDAN EICH CAN MAKE A WEB BROWSER SO GREAT IT CAN SCORE THIS WELL AFTER TAKING SUCH A BEATING, YOU REALLY OUGHT TO CHECK OUT HIS NEW ONE


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    The above is from Jim stone's blog: http://82.221.129.208/basepageg8.html
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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    Woohoo! (Don't know about the issue with same sex, I get a bit sick of those who wish to micro control what goes on in someone else's bedroom, but heck... )

    Downloading! Thanks Hervé!

    (It downloads in less than five seconds on my iPhone. Now that is a tightly written app.)

    Shove it Google!

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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    Thanks for the heads up - noticed Firefox is acting up more.. I only use it for some games, and today it crashed constantly.

    However, I won't use the new browser. I support gay marriage. Besides that I understand 'getting back' somehow - but this way seems rather low, for me though..


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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    This looks really exciting! Unfortunately, their provided "packaged" installers for Linux are only for AMD 64 processors and mine is an Intel.
    Anyhow - I wrote to their support and I am looking forward to their reply.
    Anyone of you who installed "Brave" and was able to gather some experiences?
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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    I installed it painlessly in 3 minutes. Used it to log into Avalon right now. Thanks to Brendan Eich, the man who built the language of the web. I didn't like Javascript when I first saw it, but I grew to love it this Summer, after I discovered www.codepen.io

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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    In case somebody is still using Firefox. Yesterday it was reported that Firefox makes extensive use of your Harddrive. That means that your SSD will have a way shorter Lifespan.

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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    Thanks Herve for your detailed post. I could care less about someones sexual preference but I do care about browsers.
    and their ability to work without subterfuge. I am putting BRAVE on my computer right now. I have had so many issues with IE so went to Firefox.
    FF used to work fairly well but I get many setbacks that cause me to try another browser. None seemed ok
    I am dreaming of a BRAVE new world working well...haha. Thanks again.
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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    Thanks for that....tried to download it but couldn’t!
    Run a Linux based system witch is 64bit, but an old version and it cannot integrate!

    I'm just an old and stubborn git........lol

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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    I worked with Brendan Eich, when he first got of college, some 30 years ago. He's perhaps the smartest person I've had the pleasure of working with, ever ... smart on several levels at once.

    I just noticed and tried Brave for the first time today.

    On the negative side, It's still young. It's missing some features I find important, even essential, for my main browser, including finer control over tab layout (as in Tab Mix Plus) and support for Lastpass and/or KeypassX password managers. It doesn't appear to handle add-ons (extensions) yet at all (Correction - see below). I managed to get it to hang once, trying to import my bazillion Firefox bookmarks.

    On the plus side, It's lickety split fast. I tried to see if how well it was multi-threading, but couldn't load new tabs fast enough to really test that. In the fraction of a second it took me to switch to the next tab and ask for a reload, it had already finished the previous reload. It's led by Brendan, perhaps the best in the business at such strategic guidance. It's planned business model for handling web ads is very interesting, and a likely winner, for everyone involved, in my book. It's being developed rapidly.

    I am starting to imagine that Brave could become the basis for another funding source for Project Avalon (we could use it.)

    This would enable users who so choose to budget some modest amount each month, to be split up amongst the various sites that they choose to support, which might include Avalon. Brave is setting it up so that user's can easily purchase bitcoins using their credit card, for say $10 or $20 per month, or whatever makes sense for them, and the micropayment portion of their monthly donation would transfer, as Bitcoins, anonymously, to the monthly collections of each site. The owners of any website that accumulates over $10 gets an invitation from Brave to demonstrate (with a requested modification to the sites DNS A record) that they control the website, and then gets to collect that monthly total donations. Brave user's who elect to accept ads from Brave's own ad channel will receive a portion of the revenue that Brave earns from those ads that it was paid to run, and those Bitcoins can then in turn be donated by the user to whatever sites they value (or those Bitcoins can be used wherever else the user wants.)

    So far as I can tell (still haven't actually tried it) if a user, today, asked Brave to include Avalon as one of the sites they donate to, and if that user funded their donations with some Bitcoins (perhaps purchased on the spot, using their credit card), then Bill, as the registered Avalon site owner, would receive (once the donations reached $10) an invitation to prove he owns Avalon, and then be in a position to collect those funds. Bill would have no way of knowing who donated or how much each donor donated.

    I look forward to the day when Brave becomes my main browser.

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    P.S. - Correction: I don't see a general Add-on facility yet, but I did find a Preferences -> Security -> Passwords and Forms option to select my choice of password manager between 1Password, Lastpass, Dashlane, Brave's built-in, or none.
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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    Well, I logged into ProjectAvalon in the Brave browser, using Lastpass to provide the password for this Avalon account, "Paul", but there's a glitch. Lastpass couldn't automatically fill in the password field; I had to copy and past the password in from what Lastpass had saved for this site. Someone else has posted a similar bug against Brave for the other password manager I would consider using, KeepassX, whose auto-typing feature was also not working in Brave.
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    Browser funding is revolutionary, and could develop into a multi-billion dollar industry within 2-15 years. It solves some major problems associated with fairly monetizing content. Brave would need to accept Paypal directly for it to really work. Right now going through Coinbase will cut out some casual, impatient users, like me. But maybe Brave want to move the net economy away from Paypal onto Bitcoin. I can see that.

    I noticed you worked with Brendan Eich a couple of weeks ago, Paul. Any non-sensitive anecdotes are interesting. I watched a few of his videos last week as I was studying Javascript, and I noticed he was ridiculously clever. Once he gets on a roll the ideas and knowledge come out fast.
    I'll write things I notice as UX feedback, and send them to Brave. I liked the speed, but didn't like the flashing CSS as I moved between sites. It seems unnecessary. There's no easy way to change the color or browser skin, and getting to the monetizing content section takes two mouseclicks. I think it should be easier to charge an account. I'd like to see a charge icon in the top right, next to the Lion icon. But maybe they chose to keep the monetizing aspect hidden, as a design choice.

    I know Mozilla foundation are good at listening to feedback, so I hope Brave will be the same.
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    Quote Posted by Daozen (here)
    I noticed you worked with Brendan Eich a couple of weeks ago, Paul. Any non-sensitive anecdotes are interesting. I watched a few of his videos last week as I was studying Javascript, and I noticed he was ridiculously clever. Once he gets on a roll the ideas and knowledge come out fast.
    Sometimes I'd stop by his office, just down the hall from mine, with some minor item to talk about for a minute or two.

    He'd be coding his part of the project, and while he was continuing to rapdily type production quality code, on the first draft, he'd carry on a coherent conversation with me on some unrelated topic. I've seen very few who could code that well, that quickly, and I've seen no one else who could engage in idle chatter on some unrelated topic ... at the same time!

    This was in the software tools group within Silicon Graphics, back in the late 1980's, where we developed tools for bug tracking, software versioning, and software packaging and installation.

    Brendan didn't last long at that job ... his talents were worthy of more challenging tasks.

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    It is allways a good idea to use different browsers for different purposes - especially when you are interested in your privacy.

    Google ads and other ads from advertising networks track your identity across many websites, including project avalon (due to the Google translate module).

    Currently I am using:

    Firefox
    - for all sites that are allowed to know and track my identity
    - currently (2016) not all sites function in firefox

    Otter Browser (a remake of Opera 12.x)
    - has the best security police, but has currently some minor bugs and should be faster
    - you can block advertisings
    - at any time you can restrict any cookies, their live time depending from their origin - individually for each site you visit
    - you can switch on/off plugins at any time, also indiviually for each site
    - you can restrict Java, Java script in general or individually for each site
    - I am using this for all sites where I want to protect my privacy

    Vivaldi Browser - another remake of Opera 12.x, developed by the inventor of Opera and some of his stuff
    - extremely fast
    - allows also most of the detailed security adjustments that Opera 12.x had, but the interface is not as intuitive (in my view)

    Brave
    - blocks Google ads

    Opera starting at 2016-09
    - has'nt all of the security adjustments, that former versions of opera had
    - can block ads
    - can establish a VPN connection to allow access to sites that are blocked in your country

    Google Chrome
    - you should use this one only for one single purpose: to use the special function of Google that cannot be accessed by other browsers (such as: advanced image search)
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    Default Re: The "Brave" Browser Created by Firefox Web Browser Creator Brendan Eich

    An other interesting browser Adblock browser (1 year old) :
    https://adblockbrowser.org/




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    Quote Posted by Daozen (here)
    Browser funding is revolutionary, and could develop into a multi-billion dollar industry within 2-15 years. It solves some major problems associated with fairly monetizing content. Brave would need to accept Paypal directly for it to really work. Right now going through Coinbase will cut out some casual, impatient users, like me. But maybe Brave want to move the net economy away from Paypal onto Bitcoin. I can see that.
    It seems to me that Brendan Eich is very serious about respecting the privacy of browser users, including which sites they donate to and how much.

    Perhaps in part because Brendan himself lost his job as CEO of Mozilla, on account of a controversy that arose when it became public that he had donated $1000 to some political cause years earlier, he seems quite aware of the importance of such privacy.

    Using a crypto-currency such as Bitcoin as the key transfer mechanism, which works anonymously, across all national and political borders, is a key element in providing this privacy (at least from all but the most powerful.)

    Now ... if one could more easily exchange between a crypto-currency such as Bitcoins and your choice of the major currencies, that would be a major improvement (hence an improvement that I'm doubtful will happen.)

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    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    It is allways a good idea to use different browsers for different purposes - especially when you are interested in your privacy.

    Google ads and other ads from advertising networks track your identity across many websites, including project avalon (due to the Google translate module).

    Currently I am using:
    ...

    Google Chrome
    - you should use this one only for one single purpose: to use the special function of Google that cannot be accessed by other browsers (such as: advanced image search)
    That seems to me like a good idea to spread one's usage over multiple browsers, to limit tracking.

    Avalon's use of Google translate, which causes hits on Google servers everytime anyone loads most any page of the Avalon forum, bothers me ... but I haven't done anything to see if this can be avoided, outside of asking Ilie about it once, a year or two ago, and he didn't think it would be easy to avoid hitting the Google servers on each Avalon page load, short of removing what some users might find to be a useful facility.

    Olaf - can you say more about what motivates you to avoid Google's Chrome wherever possible?

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    I have had to run chrome for months now with java disabled and certain websites listed as an exception, as Google ads were redirecting me constantly every time I tried to read an article anywhere that had ads embedded in the pages. I am trying out the brave mobile, it works well so far but the bubble thing is kinda weird and will take some getting used to.

    The mobile version doesn't word wrap like chrome does, so far, which honestly is the only reason why I have kept chrome going at all, for the readability of forums.

    Nevermind, when you increase text zoom over 100%, it starts a wrapping! I hereby declare brave a keeper!
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Sometimes I'd stop by his office, just down the hall from mine, with some minor item to talk about for a minute or two.

    He'd be coding his part of the project, and while he was continuing to rapdily type production quality code, on the first draft, he'd carry on a coherent conversation with me on some unrelated topic. I've seen very few who could code that well, that quickly, and I've seen no one else who could engage in idle chatter on some unrelated topic ... at the same time!
    Ha. I can imagine that scene perfectly. When I watch his videos, they start off normal speed, but by the end there's a lightning fast stream of ideas and strategies. He seems to have a balance of vision, strategy, technical ability and media know-how necessary to lead a project to success. I hope I develop similar skills over the next decade.

    Building the language of the net, and then going on to create a revolutionary internet finance model are two massive contributions to the 21st century.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFGDhWobELc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPxQ9kEaF8c

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    Thanks very much for bringing this to attention, I have been using Chrome for ages, but it uses up a lot of resources - I always have at least 20 tabs going being an online worker - I am going to take a look. I strive to not take the Internet for granted because it is the best development of humanity since the printing press, and a lot more powerful!

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    I just tried this 'browser' and my opinion is it nothing that I am happy with. Until I see a way to completely uninstall all traces of "Brave" I will consider us being duped to having installed a program which has some serious issues with, like a betatest software. What was seen (and I will get into this in later posts) was that the files are LOCKED even when you are system administrator. Machine OWNER cannot uninstall.

    At first I used the standard "remove program" from the windows control panel after installing and found out, there are a lot of folders, and programs still left, in non-standard program locations on the windows machine. And one can not just delete these. They are in some way "elevated" to a permission level that the user/system adminstrator just doesn't have. That is not right in my opinion, and such actions are what a virus or a trojan can do, thereby creating suspicions as to what is going on.

    The installer apparently creates an account on your machine, which doesn't allow system or administrator access to delete this hidden/elevated account (the account does not show up as an authorized 'user'), thereby not allowing one to change permissions to delete the files which are permanently kept on your machine by this 'program'.

    There are many fantastic reviews on the web telling people to try this. I wonder how many people who tried this experienced what I did? To me it seems like I at least suffered from "social engineering syndrome", or being a sheeple and just "installing" cause of all the raves.. (oops)

    Any suggestions on how to remove it? Like how to actually get access to the permissions for the hidden user account that is created??
    Last edited by Bob; 3rd October 2016 at 06:19.

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