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    Quote Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
    Wonderful report, thanks a lot for these great pictures and this breath a fresh air in the middle of so many crazy international tensions
    Yes. (Again!) So true. I have a vast amount of everyday attention on matters of great global seriousness. So this fun adventure here (in search of the Wawa Grande) is for me most definitely a breath of fresh air -- lots of it! -- and also the chance to entertain some of the members reading this who'd love to be part of such a thing if they were here on the ground with me.

    So, continuing the blog, here's another thinking-aloud update. The weather here at the moment is gorgeous (exceptionally so! ), and I'm planning the next trip. That's likely to be in the next few days.

    I outlined that in my post #67 above, following a long ridge line to another high peak, where there should be spectacular views. I noted that of course, the Wawa Grande wouldn't be anywhere up there... he'll surely be down among the lakes, huge boulders, and patchy but dense forest cover.

    (And, separately, because he could see Mara and myself coming from miles away, the best chance of bumping into him would actually be in bad weather, when he's often been encountered before. But, that's not for just now: the weather doesn't break here till mid-January.)

    So my plan now, emboldened by both feeling in quite good shape and also doing a number of short, vigorous daily hikes with a 28 lb pack (kind of like lifting weights in the gym), is to set out before dawn and do a really long counter-clockwise circuit that might look like this (the red dots to the peak, and then the yellow arrows to complete the loop):



    This is ambitious, and it'd be a long day. Those of you familiar with topo maps can see that there's also a second climb, to cross the high ridge to get over to the valley where the cairn is. But it'd venture into new country, even more remote, and also give a chance to check out the cairn, one more time, on the return leg.

    I have no idea how easy it might be, as there's no way to tell from the map if there are hidden cliffs in the way -- or hidden anything, for that matter. I considered doing an overnight trip, but then that means a full, twice-as-heavy pack including tent, sleeping bag, extra food for me (and Mara!), and so on.

    Best to keep it all fast-and-light and travel quickly and easily... if possible. I've mentioned once or twice before (we do need a specialist off-topic backpacking thread, maybe) that I always prefer to travel absolutely as lightweight as I can all the time. My day pack weighs 13-14 lbs, and that's fine to carry all day.

    If there's an emergency, I have a survival blanket, a super-light fleece sleeping bag liner, and a light foam mat... ...and then, I'd take my chances among the large sheltered boulders where the Wawa Grandes are probably already hanging out.

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    Default Re: Another vicarious adventure, and another Avalon Cairn (for the Wawa Grande, this time)

    Saw this a few days ago and thought of you up there on your lonesome.



    (I believe the artist is Igor Tovstogan, the image was freely viewable on Deviant Art)

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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    Saw this a few days ago and thought of you up there on your lonesome.


    Made me laugh. This does look a little like the Altar Lake. (The 'Altar' and the Cairn are in the distance, just a fraction left of dead center in this photo)


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    Hi Bill,
    Can people camp out there? In another experiment that Sasquatch Ontario did was to be in a place and let the Sas come to him. If Mike of Sas Ontario is authentic which I think so, is it possible you might be able apply that technique somehow? A stationary spot perhaps different than the gift site but where you visit that still allows the SAS to approach behind some cover like the patchy shrubs and trees. It may sound crazy to have cover but in Mike's videos SAS seems to utilize any cover when moving near...


    Quick reply from Bill: Yes, one can camp anywhere out there at all. The only hassle, of course, is carrying the extra weight. But see my update in the next post below... if Warren Light (wnlight) is correct about the accurate location, then an overnight trip would very probably be needed even to get there.

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    Hello, All -- quite a major update here, in several parts. I went out again last week on really quite a long hike, but all the excitement and the drama of the US election rather took my attention away from posting all this.

    First, the cairn and gifts are still totally unvisited and undisturbed. The thought occurred to me to consult Avalon member wnlight (Warren Light), who is a very able dowser. (Extremely able, in fact! See this thread here, where he announced -- to his own surprise, on 28 October-- that his dowsing had told him that Trump would win the US election.)

    That quite impressed me, and so I asked Warren to dowse the map for where the Wawa Grandes really are. I was meeting him for coffee locally, and his immediate reaction was that I'd been in the wrong place.

    I then sent him a map, and here are his results.


    http://projectavalon.net/Cajas_Wawa_..._new_areas.gif

    The yellow square marked '1' is the area I've been exploring, all described in this thread. The yellow square marked '2' shows where I went earlier this year in my thread The Impermanence of All Things.

    The main area Warren said the Wawa Grandes are hanging out (about 50 of them, he dowsed), is the central red-colored square to the east of the second largest lake in the park. He also pinpointed for me the exact location of the cave where Scottish hiker Robert Burns was attacked by several Wawa Grandes (the Goldilocks factor! ) back in 1988, and escaped with severe injuries. That rather dramatic story is reported here.
    Quote Wawa made headlines in July, 1988 when a Scottish hiker claims he was attacked by a pair of the creatures. Robert Burns, who sought shelter in a cave from a late afternoon snow storm, says he was mauled by the Wawas and tossed from the cave. Burns was treated for a broken arm, deep lacerations and bite wounds at a Cuenca hospital. His story was reported on Cuenca television as well as in newspapers in Great Britain.
    And there's a secondary area, he said, to the SE of the park, where he said there are also a few living there.

    Now, this is pretty interesting. Notes to self:
    • The large lake (called Laguna Osohuayco) has several trails near it -- although they're not often used: this is not like Yellowstone or Yosemite! -- but none in the area where Warren said the Wawas were. (Warren did NOT know where the trails were when he dowsed the map.)
    • Laguna Osohuayco is a full 5 hour hike from the road. To visit there and return in one day would be quite an undertaking. It'd almost certainly mean an overnight trip.
    • I did go quite near that area in February of this year (2016) -- see this thread. (That was a two-day trip, too.) But that was in a different valley, to the north-east of the lake... I never even saw it.
    Here's a picture of the lake (not mine). The high viewpoint appears to be the top of the mountain I've marked on the map below, with the red arrow pointing to the lake.





    The locations of the Wawas were indicated by Warren here (not visible on the photo itself… they’re all off to the right of the viewpoint). The Inca ruins that I visited earlier this year are also marked.



    So, that's all pretty interesting. The very next thing to do, of course, is to visit that area and see if there really is a cave there.
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    In the meantime, here (in purple) is the hike I went on last week -- quite a long and exiting day. (The red route was my previous one.)



    I have so many high quality photos, I really can't show them all. If you've been following this thread, you'll already have a good idea what this all looks like... really quite stunningly barren and beautiful.

    This may be my favorite from the day:


    http://projectavalon.net/Mara_lake_panorama_lg.jpg

    I encountered wild llamas again, way up high...


    http://projectavalon.net/more_llamas.jpg

    ... and so did Mara.


    http://projectavalon.net/Mara_and_the_llamas.jpg

    And, marked by the purple-and-yellow star on the map above ^^, after a bit of careful exploration, I found a safe way up this tricky, rocky peak (larger than it looks).


    http://projectavalon.net/un-named_14000_ft_mountain.jpg


    http://projectavalon.net/Bill_on_un-...t_mountain.jpg
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    Much as we are excited by your discoveries, there is great trepidation, as these 'ancient folk' have no awareness of your honest and caring observances, they are desperate for their survival, so your intrusion may cause harm to you.
    Please let them live in peace, without any publicity, thanks.
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    Quote Posted by avid (here)
    Much as we are excited by your discoveries, there is great trepidation, as these 'ancient folk' have no awareness of your honest and caring observances, they are desperate for their survival, so your intrusion may cause harm to you.
    Please let them live in peace, without any publicity, thanks.
    Thank you -- I really get that!

    Meanwhile, I'm capable of causing harm to myself, all on my own, if I'm not too careful.

    On the return leg, at the end of the day, after I'd made the long haul over a high ridge and then down the other side to the lake where the Altar and the Cairn were, I hit a problem.

    I made a bad call, because by then I was a little tired. I was picking my way round the edge of the lake, but there was no trail of any kind, and the ground all around me was steep. I could have climbed up 200 ft to avoid the steep banks, but I thought I could get away without that extra effort. My mistake.

    I got myself into a tricky place where, after I was committed, I saw that I could go no further. The only way out was to climb up a very steep vegetated gully, full of loose rocks, loose plants, and insecure everything. I was facing a 150 ft fall straight into the lake (and so was Mara).

    It was an exciting 20 minutes... I had to fight quite hard to get out of it, and thought a couple of times it'd have been nice if I'd had a partner there with a climbing rope. (Mara had it a little easier... she had no heavy pack on her back, and has four legs, claws, and a lower center of gravity.)

    Of course, all was well (or I'd not be writing this now!) -- but it did give me pause for thought about the risks I was taking simply being out in this very remote place on my own. I didn't take any photos (sadly!)... I was rather preoccupied.

    So, that was my day, the biggest mountain day I'd had for some 10-12 years. All good. (But next time, I think I really will take a rope with me, even though it adds weight and there's no-one else around: with even a short length of good rope, there are ways I can make things safe for myself if I get myself into a tight spot.)

    ***

    I posted earlier on the thread about the Wawa Grande's possible habitat. I was describing the thick patches of forest that are sporadic everywhere, even up high -- and large, house-sized boulders, too, with plenty of sheltered room-sized hollows all around for anything large to make a comfortable home in. I took a few photos of these areas: interesting food for thought.


    http://projectavalon.net/Wawa_Grande_forest_1.jpg


    http://projectavalon.net/Wawa_Grande_forest_2.jpg


    http://projectavalon.net/Wawa_Grande_forest_3.jpg

    Finally, I've ordered the trail cam -- and my thanks to all of you who chipped in to make this possible. I should have it at the end of the month, when a good friend comes to visit here from the US. (And we'll be heading out there to camp overnight -- for sure.)

    What I think I'm going to do is to go back up to the Altar -- now a fairly quick half day in-and-out, as Mara and I know the way very well now -- to retrieve the Avatars under the cairn, and also the untouched gifts. I can then relocate it all somewhere near where Warren dowsed the cave to be. (A different area: see my post #85 above for all the details.) Do stay tuned for more... maybe in a few weeks' time, when my friend and I have the trail cam in hand.

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    So glad you were able to get out & refresh your soul a bit! We all need that! Personally, I truly appreciate all the photos you have posted which give us a sense of the beauty; allowing us to breathe a little as well!! Your life's work has been truly amazing, so please don't get bogged down in the details! You have given of yourself to so many people & we DO appreciate all you have done!

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    Next time, I can't stop worrying, but you are on your mission, and just hope desperately you will get back well.
    OK, wawa grande is there, just please let it be, put yourself in its position, place your trail cam, but don't betray.....
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    Really happy to hear the cam is on it's way. The more I see those beautiful photos the more the realization that Wawas will probably be moving in periods of darkness in areas of mostly open terrain. The trail cam will be a great asset at those times of low light conditions favorable for movement and stealth. You should be able to dial in the settings on the cam to work in darkness conditions and narrow down best methods. It's neat that your open to other ways of searching such as dowsing. Though please don't give up on your known alter site and knowledge of the terrain you have already gained by visiting. If it's closer to you than the other recommended spot it still might be worthwhile checking especially getting in and out fast. Thanks for taking us with you. I know if you got the video proof you would totally respect the wawas privacy and keep it secret from others. That was how Mike Patterson of Sasquatch Ontario kept his location safe too....

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    Yeay!

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    Beautiful pictures!
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    Hi Bill,
    The recent thread of the alien mummy found in South America and showing the body in xray is a huge discovery and hope the mainstream reports it. There is that rich history of ET probably where you live and made me think again to ask you something? Have you heard of anything by the locals? Anyway once you have completed your exploration of WaWa Grande location will you be able to set up the trail cam where you live? Maybe there's is a nice secluded spot by you? I think you showed us a picture of your home a while ago and it looked woodsy.

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    The trail cam has now arrived with me here:



    I went up to the area I've been exploring again a few days ago, this time with Avalon member Iristar, an old friend who came to visit for a week. We didn't visit the Altar and Cairn -- we went to the next valley over, camping out for two days -- but again, there was no sign of any Wawa activity. (We did see llamas again, way up high, and also some puma scat.)

    When camping, Mara sensed something in the darkness, and went frantic with barking that had quite a touch of fear about it. But it could have been a puma (or a llama, or anything else!).

    The next thing I'll do, maybe sometime next week, is to make a fast-and-light trip up to the Cairn to retrieve the gifts (and the Avalon Avatars) -- assuming everything's still all undisturbed. Then, on a separate trip, I'll head into the area Warren (wnlight) defined through dowsing (see this interesting post) to set up a new Cairn there, complete with trail cam. That'll require an overnight trip, I think, as it's quite a way from the road.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The next thing I'll do, maybe sometime next week, is to make a fast-and-light trip up to the Cairn to retrieve the gifts (and the Avalon Avatars) -- assuming everything's still all undisturbed. Then, on a separate trip, I'll head into the area Warren (wnlight) defined through dowsing (see this interesting post) to set up a new Cairn there, complete with trail cam. That'll require an overnight trip, I think, as it's quite a way from the road.
    Well, that first part is complete. Mara and I went up to The Altar yesterday with new Avalon member DebJoy (Deb) and her husband Michael, both recently arrived Ecuador residents, and found everything still totally untouched after nearly 11 weeks.


    http://projectavalon.net/Deb_and_Michael.jpg


    http://projectavalon.net/Bill_and_Mara.jpg

    I retrieved all the gifts and avatars, and here's everything (and everyone ) on the coffee table back home in my old farmhouse.


    http://projectavalon.net/Wawa_Grande...nd_avatars.jpg

    As mentioned in my post #96 above, the next step in the project is to embark on the long (overnight) hike into the center of the park, to the area that wnlight (Warren Light) identified, and also set up the trail cam there.

    Who knows what that might capture if I left it in place a couple months. Yesterday, I found this: pretty sure it's a puma print. It wasn't Mara, who was exploring elsewhere when I spotted it. I've seen puma scat before, but this is the first pawprint I've seen...


    http://projectavalon.net/cat_track.jpg
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    Nice to see DebJoy & Michael....and a REAL puma print....awesome!

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    awesome Bill....love what your doing and sharing.

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    An update for anyone following this fascinating story, who may be wondering what progress is being made.

    The rainy season here started last month, and clear breaks in the weather aren't that frequent. For a long trip into the Wawa Grande possible habitat (see my post #85 above), two good back-to-back days are needed.

    Michael (see post #97 above: he's now joined the forum, with username boolacalaca) and I are planning to head out there to set up the trail cam maybe in mid-March — weather always permitting. We went on quite a strenuous one-day training hike a few days ago... here he is at 13,500 ft, the highest he's yet been, and close to as high as it gets in these mountains. Our trip into the very heart of the area will be quite demanding, carrying overnight packs into quite rough terrain.


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