Polish president likely killed in plane crash

[Lucrum]

(CNN) -- Polish President Lech Kaczynski was likely killed early Saturday when the plane he was traveling in with his wife crashed at a western Russian airport, a spokesman for Poland's Foreign Ministry told CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu...ex.html?hpt=T1

Could someone have interest getting rid of this guy?

I guess the obvious question about events like these is wether it was an accident or not...

[steve_a]

Hi Lucrum,

Check my thread out. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=4833#post4833

Could be a coincidence but sent a chill up my spine....

Best regards,

Steve

Posted by Lucrum (here)
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu...ex.html?hpt=T1

Could someone have interest getting rid of this guy?

I guess the obvious question about events like these is wether it was an accident or not...

[Lucrum]

You're right Steve, that was quite something indeed...

According to the norwegian newspaper I first saw this article in, the plane had touched the tree tops just before the runway then crashing to the ground and caught fire.

Sort of just the opposite of what your dream told you.

Can imagine it is a bit chilling seeing a dream sort of come true.

[Wood]

Posted by Lucrum (here)
Could someone have interest getting rid of this guy?

I think Poland was the only country of any importance that rejected buying the H1N1 vaccines or allowing them to be sold in the country until they were properly tested. I think it was related to the immunity the pharma industry wanted, and that Poland ruled unconstitutional. If I remember it right Sweden did not buy the vaccines for its NHS but at least they allowed them to be sold on pharmacies.

I might not be 100% accurate, it is just what I remember.

[K626]

Posted by Wood (here)
I think Poland was the only country of any importance that rejected buying the H1N1 vaccines or allowing them to be sold in the country until they were properly tested. I think it was related to the immunity the pharma industry wanted, and that Poland ruled unconstitutional. If I remember it right Sweden did not buy the vaccines for its NHS but at least they them to be sold on pharmacies.

I might not be 100% accurate, it is just what I remember.

Saturday, November 7, 2009
Poland Govt. Will Not Get Vaccines for people 11/7/09 1:17pm est
The Polish Government said they will NOT get vaccines for the people in Poland, as the makers of the vaccines do not want to be responsible for side effects. So they do NOT WANT THEM! **Good for the government there*

But of the article there is one admission I find the MOST Interesting - it is regarding Ukraine.

From Article:

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Friday that his government won't buy vaccines for swine flu that have not been properly tested or from producers who won't take responsibility for possible side effects.

Tusk told reporters that vaccine producers were pressuring governments to buy, but were also demanding that all responsibility and compensation for possible negative side effects fall upon government shoulders.

"Today we are dealing with great pressure from pharmaceutical firms ... we are dealing with expectations that hundreds of millions of zlotys (dollars) will be spent on vaccine while no one wants to guarantee that it has no side effects," he said.

[MorningSong]

Here on the Italian news, they are saying (translating literally) that the plane crash has "decapitated the Polish "elite" ."

Here are some links that mention who was on the plane:

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report...russia_1369674

Polish president Lech Kaczynski was killed when a plane carrying 132 people crashed in thick fog on its approach to a Russian airport on Saturday, killing everyone on board, officials said.

Central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek and several senior government officials were also among those on board the Tupolev Tu-154 plane, which came down as it neared Smolensk airport in western Russia.

***

Kaczynski's wife Maria was also on board, along with several high-ranking government officials. They included the chief of Poland's military Franciszek Gagor and deputy foreign minister Andrzej Kremer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/wo.../11poland.html

A plane carrying the Polish president, Lech Kaczynski, his wife and other high-ranking officials crashed in a heavy fog in western Russia on Saturday morning, killing all aboard, Polish officials said.

Former president Lech Walesa, who presided over Poland’s transition from communism, cast the crash in similar historic terms. “This is the second disaster after Katyn,” he told the news channel TVN-24. “They wanted to cut off our head there, and here the flower of our nation has also perished. Regardless of the differences, the intellectual class of those on the plane was truly great.”

Among those on board the plane were Mr. Kaczynski; his wife, Maria; former Polish president-in-exile Ryszard Kaczorowski; the deputy speaker of Poland’s parliament, Jerzy Szmajdzin’ski; the head of the president’s chancellery, Wladyslaw Stasiak; and the head of the National Security Bureau, Aleksander Szczygo.

While the death toll included much of the government, several of Warsaw’s paramount leaders were not on board — notably Prime Minister Donald Tusk, Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski and Mr. Komorowski, the head of the lower house of parliament.

The Italian version of Adnkronos ( http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/Es...233913954.html ) lists these:

Tra le vittime figurano anche varie altre personalità di spicco della Polonia. Tanto che l'ex presidente nonché storico leader di Solidarnosc Lech Walesa ha dichiarato: "è morta l'elite del paese", mentre l'europarlamentare Wojciech Olejniczas parla di tragedia "di dimensioni inimmaginabili". Tra le personalità perite nella sciagura c'è l'ex presidente Ryszard Kaczorowski, il governatore della banca centrale di Varsavia Slawomir Skrzypek, il viceministro degli Esteri Andrzej Kremer, il capo di Stato maggiore Franciszek Gagor, il vicepresidente del Parlamento, Jerzy Smajdinski, il vicecancelliere sempre del Parlamento Wladyslaw Stasiak.

PS: In the Google Search list I did ("plane crash in Russia"), the NYTimes article has the date of April 11, 2012 (tomorrow) as on the article page itself, there is a picture of the Polish President with a link to a tribute which states he died April 11, 2012...just a typo or what????

[irishspirit]

not to forget the fact that their PM would not allow them to join the EURO ZONE until 2015.

http://www.wbj.pl/article-47913-pola...o-in-2015.html

Also, this guy has been having major problems with russia. So, we shall see. However, lets hope that the polish people stay calm and give themselves time before going of on a path of no return.

What I also find funny is the fact that there are Elections due to occur in Poland also very soon, and by some miracle, they can now bring them forward.

Be Safe


Irishspirit

[irishspirit]

Opps, forgot, and on the Russian front, we got this also:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Po...ement_999.html

[Swami]

PS: In the Google Search list I did ("plane crash in Russia"), the NYTimes article has the date of April 11, 2012 (tomorrow) as on the article page itself, there is a picture of the Polish President with a link to a tribute which states he died April 11, 2012...just a typo or what????

Cant find that "mistake". Could you copy and paste that please...

How curious, I watched this tube yesterday.....

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O933XLuvGbU

Question is, did they make that "2012-mistake" or are they trying to tell us something.......?
More and more I get the feeling its already 2012

[MorningSong]

Here it is Swami:

President of Poland Killed in Plane Crash in Russia - NYTimes.com
11 Apr 2010 ... A plane carrying the Polish president, Lech Kaczynski, and many of the country's leaders crashed as it landed in a heavy fog.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/wo.../11poland.html - 9 minutes ago

WOW! They have already changed the whole page around!!

The link to a tribute biography to the Pres was under his picture and said something like "...who died 11 April, 2010"

Anyway...Links to related articles on that page:

Related

*
Kaczynski Often a Source of Tension Within E.U. (April 11, 2010)
*
Germany’s Merkel ‘Deeply Upset’ by Death (April 11, 2010)

Note the date!

Now there is also a longer list of who was on the plane:

Among those on board, according to the Web site of the newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza, were Mr. Kaczynski; his wife, Maria; former Polish president-in-exile Ryszard Kaczorowski; the deputy speaker of Poland’s parliament, Jerzy Szmajdzinski; the head of the president’s chancellery, Wladyslaw Stasiak; the head of the National Security Bureau, Aleksander Szczyglo; the deputy minister of foreign affairs, Andrzej Kremer; the chief of the general staff of the Polish army, Franciszek Gagor; the president of Poland’s national bank, Slawomir Skrzypek; the commissioner for civil rights protection, Janusz Kochanowski; the heads of all of Poland’s armed forces; and dozens of members of parliament.

Somewhere, I don't remember now exactly where, the acting Chief wants elections in 2 weeks... a bit hurried in my opinion... as, supposedly, the Conservative candidate was also on that plane... according to Italian news.

[Wood]

Posted by Swami (here)
How curious, I watched this tube yesterday.....

I am not sure how that video is related to the death of the polish president. I've just watched it. It looks very amateur to me, and the basic message is "Man MUST obey the Lord or else be punished. Spend your time researching this because the end of the world is nigh!". I see just disinfo and fear-mongering there...

[Swanny]

A plane carrying the Polish president, Lech Kaczynski, his wife and other high-ranking officials crashed in a heavy fog in western Russia

Since when does a president and other high-ranking officials fly in the same plane????
If this isn't an assassination then I don't know what is

[MargueriteBee]

My first thought was, why were so many government officials all in one plane? That seems stupid to me.

[Swami]

Thx MS,

I have copied and saved this material.
This is or plain stupid arrogance or somebody on the inside (journalist..?) is trying to send out a message.
Other options...?

[Swami]

Posted by Wood (here)
I am not sure how that video is related to the death of the polish president. I've just watched it. It looks very amateur to me, and the basic message is "Man MUST obey the Lord or else be punished. Spend your time researching this because the end of the world is nigh!". I see just disinfo and fear-mongering there...

The timeline Wood..... not the religious aspect...

[Swami]

Posted by Swanny (here)
Since when does a president and other high-ranking officials fly in the same plane????
If this isn't an assassination then I don't know what is

Very well spoken Admiral....

[MorningSong]

oops....Swami et al... Please forgive me!

I just saw the error I made on my post about the April 11 thing.....It is weird how it is ahead one day... but I am the one who made the biggest typo...2012 for 2010... I am doing that a LOT recently....maybe it IS ALREADY 2012 like you suggest!!! I never did figure out if the Mayan Calendar was on line with our modern calendar since even Jesus wasn't probably born in year 1 AD.

I am very sorry for all those people who died on that plane and I hope (but doubt) that the truth will be exposed. (Maybe they've gone underground!)

On Italian news, StudioAperto, ItaliaUno, they keep saying that the fog was so bad, the pilots were ordered to go land at Minsk but the pilot did not.... tried to land 4 times...the fourth try resulted in the crash.

[Swami]

Posted by MorningSong (here)
oops....Swami et al... Please forgive me!

I just saw the error I made on my post about the April 11 thing.....It is weird how it is ahead one day... but I am the one who made the biggest typo...2012 for 2010... I am doing that a LOT recently....maybe it IS ALREADY 2012 like you suggest!!! I never did figure out if the Mayan Calendar was on line with our modern calendar since even Jesus wasn't probably born in year 1 AD.

I am very sorry for all those people who died on that plane and I hope (but doubt) that the truth will be exposed. (Maybe they've gone underground!)

On Italian news, StudioAperto, ItaliaUno, they keep saying that the fog was so bad, the pilots were ordered to go land at Minsk but the pilot did not.... tried to land 4 times...the fourth try resulted in the crash.

No problem my friend but I searched my ass off for that 2012.......
(I have the same problem btw, sometimes I have to look in what year we are....)

[Thodin303]

Posted by MorningSong (here)
I hope (but doubt) that the truth will be exposed. (Maybe they've gone underground!)

I doubt the truth will come any time soon. An article I read said, "Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin personally assumed charge of the investigation."

[seismorg]

Posted by MargueriteBee (here)
My first thought was, why were so many government officials all in one plane? That seems stupid to me.

I remember the same thing happened here ( NI ) some years ago, just before we go " the peace process " every top ranking police,MI5,MI6, intel rep were wiped out when their Chinook which just happened to have come back from the states crashed into a hill top in Scotland.
If we do not learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.
Another sad day for the world.