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    Oh, here's an interesting article posted at ZeroHedge today by 'chindit13' ...

    Quote What I find most surprising today is that the insiders and the elite have no idea what is percolating just beneath the surface. Okay, maybe their arrogance actually produces its own fog, so it should not come as a surprise that they are blinded. They do not look at the calendar, which, if one really looks, says "1788" on it. Something is close. Very close. Society is near the breaking point.

    My own experience is that Hillary’s so-called Deplorables are actually the most reserved, most polite, and most honest demographic in the country. They are more informed, more self-reliant, and among other things, better armed. Regarding their arms, they are incredibly responsible, and not the source of the violence for which the implement, and not the person, is too often blamed. The Deplorables have the longest fuse. It is, however, a fuse.

    Alt Left, on the other hand, are the Neo Fascists and Neo Neocons. It is Alt Left that thinks Free Speech means THEIR speech only. It is Alt Left that needs 'safe spaces' and wants to enforce thought crime.

    It is Alt Left, and its media lapdog sites, that is heavily into censorship of ideas that diverge from their approved ideology. It is Alt Left that champions regime change and ratcheting up the rhetoric against Russia. It is Alt Left that believes it has an inherent right, even an obligation, to lie and obfuscate if it serves their greater purpose.

    Perhaps most significant is that it is Alt Left who so quickly resorts to violence and vandalism when confronted with people and ideas with which it takes exception. Never has that been as clear as in this election cycle.

    The Deplorables, however, are not possessed of infinite patience. Like a capacitor, there is a charge building, and at some point it will be released into the circuitry of society.

    The media and other insiders believe themselves to be immune. That thought no doubt results from being immersed inside a cocoon where dissonant voices are not allowed. When the levee breaks, or the capacitor releases its charge, they are going to be gob smacked.

    Precious few of them are anywhere near as immune as they believe themselves to be. Additionally, what they might think, or hope, is their support, their security, their safe space, doesn't really exist.

    Most of society's guardians, whether they are law enforcement or military, are card-carrying members of the Deplorables.

    France was similarly constructed in the late 1780s. The elite were isolated only in thought, not in reality. Their protection was of a Potemkin Village nature: not actually there, but merely a facade that gave them false comfort.

    They paid dearly for their arrogance and ignorance.

    History may not repeat, but it does rhyme. The calendar really does seem to say 1788, so 1789---and 1792--are not as far off as some would like to believe.

    This is not a call to arms, but it is a call to reality. Ignore it at your own peril.

    Some may see these words as a threat. They are not. They are, however, a warning, and a warning from someone who is a student of history.

    Every society eventually reaches a breaking point. Ours is nearly there. Some of those who might feel threatened, the so-called elite and insiders, think that they can buy protection as easily as they can buy a Gulfstream. How naďve! Who are the private security contractors? Who are the various SOGs? Like law enforcement and the rest of the military, they are the Deplorables. The Deplorables will take your money, but you will not take their lives. Better said, they won’t give up their lives for you or your family. The security you believe you have purchased is an illusion. Make that delusion. Best to get that out front here and now.

    Some who feel threatened, or nervous, might fall back on the tired adage of ‘We gave them (the Deplorables) everything; what do they think they will do without us?’ Well, the use of ‘we’ is arrogant, because those who have actually produced something of value are few and far between. Industrialists, for lack of a better term, are those who produced for society things of lasting value. There are few true industrialists today, and many who still remain have shipped their production overseas, jacking up the compensation of bonus-based execs, but contributing to the hollowing out of America. The true industrialists did produce the cars, trucks, machine tools, generators, servers and even computers. They produced lifesaving medicines and treatments. They made steel plants and built railroads.

    They produced jobs. They even produced the guns that the Deplorables have by the hundreds of millions. The Deplorables recognize that entire contribution.

    Mark Zuckerberg, however, is not Henry Ford. Jack Dorsey is not Andrew Carnegie. Mark Benioff is not John Rockefeller. Lloyd Blankfein is not John Pierpont Morgan. (Elon Musk might turn out to be someone of significance, if he is allowed to fail and is forgiven for it. Time will tell.) The old Robber Barons, despite their faults, did produce things of lasting value.

    What did these new ‘titans of industry’ give us? Facebook? Snapchat?

    Twitter? They gave us banality and pabulum. Some embraced it, despite its triteness, perhaps because all other meaning had already been lost, like America’s exported jobs. These new titans, Neo Titans, did little more than help dumb down society. They made America less productive, less curious, more pedestrian. Maybe they think they gave us the internet, but credit for that goes to DARPA, which is to say the military, which is to say the Deplorables. The Neo Titans gave America nothing, at least nothing positive. Social networking? Gaming? Selfies?

    The Deplorables can live without the silly oxymoron called social networking, which, as anyone who looks at it objectively knows, is anything but social. We don’t care what two thousand of our fake friends had for breakfast, or what Andrew Ross Sorkin thinks of the latest Presidential debate. He probably thinks we do. After all, he has ‘Twitter Followers’, whom he assumes live and die by his every Tweet. We can live without that. I wonder if his ego can? He, and those of his ilk, are merely Kim Kardashians without knowing it. They are the talentless dishing out white bread to the emotionally and spiritually starved.

    Some might think this is all Trump’s fault. Again, that shows a degree of ignorance and naďveté which characterizes the elite. Trump is a symptom, not a cause. He might even be a slave, as the changes he could bring might defuse some of the current anger.

    On the other hand, Hillary is a lit match in a room of dynamite. She, like many of the self-important, thinks her very existence is a favor to the rest of us. She epitomizes the absolute worst of what America has become. Above the law, wealthy not through accomplishment, but through influence peddling only, and a bull in a china shop in terms of her effect on both the country and the world---and I apologize to bulls for that analogy. The world is more unstable because of her.

    America is less safe because of her. Russia and the US---the two largest nuclear powers---are more at odds because of her. With her in power, we will reach the breaking point at home and internationally, perhaps leading to ‘accidental’ nuclear war, as the heightened rhetoric [potentially] impacts clear thinking. Society is more stratified because of her. Race relations have deteriorated because of her (and Obama).

    There are few current ills in society and in geopolitics that cannot be laid at her feet, at least to some extent. The Great Deceiver to many, who exhibits an astonishing aversion to truth telling, is enough to make even an agnostic wonder if the anti-Christ hasn’t finally arrived for its three and a half years of rule.

    A recently hacked email of John Podesta finds him saying “she (Hillary) has begun to hate everyday Americans”. No doubt the same feelings were voiced by Nicolas Ceaucescu. It turned out the feeling was mutual.

    Elect Hillary, and continue with business as usual, and it is likely this warning will become an epitaph for the America we know. Society may collapse regardless, because the rot is already very great, but she will hasten the day of reckoning.

    The Deplorables have already considered what is coming. They are as prepared as they can be. Years of decline have enabled many to build their survival skills, to make do with less, to build real communities where one man can trust another, to discover what is truly important and what can and should be salvaged from this society.

    Outside of that demographic, however, people are stark naked. They are vulnerable in ways they simply cannot imagine. They are unprepared and unskilled for what will matter most. They are cannon fodder living on borrowed time.

    History is full of examples of this sort of collapse. We humans have always rolled along a sine wave of progress and decline, of civility and social unrest. We think we have outgrown the sort of mayhem with which the history books are full, but that thought stems from recency bias. Most of history---the vast majority---is not peaceful.

    Societies are not, on average, stable and safe. Thomas Hobbes knew that quite well, as evidenced in his most famous quote. Humanity is likely on the verge of returning to the mean, and the mean is exactly that: mean. In case some have forgotten their Hobbes: solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.

    Have a nice day.
    Note : Added Coloured Non-Black Emphasis Mine !!!

    Oh, from someone who lives "across the pond" I am amazed by what seems to be happening with "US Politics" ... such a "carry on" [1] just would NOT be tolerated here, I feel, by the vast majority of my fellow Countrymen / women ... I mean what kind of a 'choice' is it to have to have for those who are supposedly Contenders for the "top job" in Politics eh ?

    . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : .

    [1] : What I'm getting at is that aren't both the Politicians (Donald and Hillary), as 'Persons of Integrity' (?), already "Compromised" or "Damaged beyond repair" ?
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    Default Re: The Elite "Have No Idea" - Society Is Near The Breaking Point

    Take it easy.

    Every country is a self reflection mirror looking at its leadership and political system (Israel is not different in any respect).

    Our society is is based on: Greed/scarcity, competition and exploitation.
    We are awakening to reflection on our collective values and system.

    The polarities are now to the extreme, we see only the ugly and painful (that is how our system works). The grace and compassion are hidden/silenced but they exist if you look for them...
    It is like the baby labour pains, when delivery time approach there is mess, screaming and blood. With great joy and relief.

    Only few weeks to go...
    Something different is coming, for the better or worse. We make it being.

    BTW, the cabal have prepared plans. The current economic demolition is well planned for years (research: problem reaction solution pattern).
    I have strong belief their plan will not work...

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    Default Re: The Elite "Have No Idea" - Society Is Near The Breaking Point

    This zero edge article skims rhe surface only on some aspects (social networking for example) while being completely off tracks on other topics, starting with the title of this thread. The elite have a very clear idea of where we are heading, much more than any of us. They may just dislike some of the potential alternatives and try to bend reality their way. The deplorables have considered what is coming- i do not think so!! They do not have the information to be able to know

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Ah, this is an interesting quote Onawah, but isn't Everyone's Life (including yours and mine) in some way, shape or form, whether knowingly or not, "Affected" by Politics ?

    And as such, the "outside" is related to the "inside" to some degree eh ?
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    Certainly, we all are affected. However, that does not excuse us from blaming everything we suffer from on the system and not doing anything to bring about change within and without.
    Quote Posted by Clear Light (here)
    What I'm getting at is that aren't both the Politicians (Donald and Hillary), as 'Persons of Integrity' (?), already "Compromised" or "Damaged beyond repair" ?
    Yes, they certainly are. The fact that so many are unable to even get to the point where they can admit that and start looking at alternatives is another clear indication of what a sad state of affairs this is.
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    Things You Probably Did Not Know, or Thought You Knew, but Really Didn’t.
    . . .
    [] Creator endowed rights are not synonymous with government granted human rights.
    [] Republican form of government is not a democracy (direct or indirect).
    Few know its definition and source. (No, it’s not a constitutional republic. It existed BEFORE the constitution.) See: Declaration of Independence.
    [] American socialism (Social Security) is 100% voluntary. (No law compels participation nor punishes non-participants)
    [] No government instituted to secure rights can tax, regulate or infringe rights - except by consent of the governed.
    [] Congress has no power to create money, nor can it give that power to anyone else. If it did have the power to create money, why would it need the power to borrow money?
    [] Usury (interest) is an abomination, condemned for “only” 3500 years, proscribed by all religions, yet embraced by billions.
    [] Legal tender is not synonymous with lawful money.
    [] Under the republican form, where the people are sovereigns without subjects, slavery cannot exist. Only under constitutional governments can slavery exist, as a taxable privilege.
    [] Land, absolutely owned is private property. Land, held with qualified ownership is estate. The former is an endowed right, constitutionally protected. The latter is a privilege, subject to ad valorem taxation and restriction.

    RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES, POWERS, IMMUNITIES

    . . . Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, Americans have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure.
    . . . Under the republican form of government, Americans are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves.
    . . . By your consent to be governed, you may aspire to public service and govern / rule others who also consented to be governed. But in exchange for the privilege, you waive your endowments and accept mandatory civic duties.
    = = = = <<>> = = = =
    ● In America, if you have endowed rights, you’re under the republican form of government.
    ● If instead of endowed rights, you have "constitutional rights" (privileges), and mandatory civic duties, you’re under the constitutionally limited indirect democracy that serves the people in the republican form of government - by your consent.
    ● If you have socialist obligations, you’ve volunteered into the socialist democratic form, via FICA - again, by your consent.


    If ever sufficient number of Americans withdrew consent, 'the system' would implode. Government servants would resign, en masse, and emigrate to countries that don't extradite to the USA. Billionaires would become zero-aires, as the dollar bill ceases to be fungible. Ironically, doing nothing will also result in a collapse of the system.
    The secret of life is that there is no secret of life.

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    >@ozmirage, I have attempted to withdraw my consent with written forms and filing documents in the past. I signed the Declaration of Independence with a group I had high hopes for, all for naught. I have read quite a number of your posts and have some inkling of that which speak. At this point I withdraw consent in prayer only which is the best I have to presently give.
    You seem to have an understanding of these topics so I ask you. What do I as an individual do to withdraw my consent and make a change in this reality? charles
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    Quote Posted by watermunky (here)
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    >@ozmirage, I have attempted to withdraw my consent with written forms and filing documents in the past. I signed the Declaration of Independence with a group I had high hopes for, all for naught. I have read quite a number of your posts and have some inkling of that which speak. At this point I withdraw consent in prayer only which is the best I have to presently give.
    You seem to have an understanding of these topics so I ask you. What do I as an individual do to withdraw my consent and make a change in this reality? charles
    There is no "magic boilerplate" document that one files, nor declarations that need to be signed.

    Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, government has two jobs:
    1. Secure rights, and
    2. Govern those who consent.
    Caveat: Consent waives job #1.

    To restore your status and rights under the promised republican form of government, your remedy is to withdraw consent.

    What to do:

    [] 1st step is education... and check local laws to verify the status of American nationals / free inhabitants domiciled upon private property. Also verify natural and personal liberty are still protected.

    [] 2nd step is to acquire a domicile (private property - not real estate) so one has a domain upon which to exercise natural liberty.

    [] 3rd step is to cease exercising any privilege associated with FICA, usury, socialism, submission, etc.

    [] 4th step is to correct the public record, where needed. For example, Form SS-5, application for a SocSec account and number is limited to U.S. citizens / U.S. residents. In contrast, American nationals / inhabitants are ineligible to participate - nor would they wish to.

    [] 5th step is to live free as our forefathers endowed us, with servant government sworn to secure our rights, and nothing more.

    ................................

    Sovereignty and property are inseparable. If you want to be a "king" you have to have a "domain". If you wish to remain a serf on the socialist plantation, you can kick back and slide.

    ................................

    If "They" didn't make slavery easy, how would "They" have ensnared millions of Americans?

    And if sovereignty, freedom and independence weren't hard, why would it require the sacrifice of the founding generation and the diligence of subsequent generations?

    ................................

    Examples of evidence to support the status of those who withdraw consent:

    " No inhabitant of this state shall be molested in person or property ... on account of religious opinions..."
    - - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.1, Paragraph 4

    "... private property shall not be taken or damaged for public purposes without just and adequate compensation being first paid.'
    - - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.3, Paragraph 1
    . . . .

    Pennsylvania Constitution,
    Article 1, Section 1,
    Inherent Rights of Mankind

    All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.

    Section 10.
    ...nor shall private property be taken or applied to public use, without authority of law and without just compensation being first made or secured.
    . . . .

    The law that is in harmony with the REPUBLICAN FORM is still on the books. The sovereign American, free inhabitant, domiciled upon private property within the boundaries of these united States of America retains his endowment of rights (inalienable and natural) and liberties (natural and personal), and oath bound government is his servant, not his master.

    I have not read all law, but I have yet to find a law that trespasses upon the natural and personal liberty of the American national / free inhabitant domiciled upon private property within the boundaries of the united States of America.

    However, there ARE voluminous rules, regulations, taxes, and penalties imposed on U.S. citizens / residents, duly enumerated (via FICA), engaged in usury, who reside at residences, registered as real estate, and are obligated to get permission (license) and / or pay taxes to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry, and / or own a dog.

    In short, if one has not given consent, all that servant government can do is secure rights, as in prosecute those who deliberately injure the person and property of another. But once consent is given, all bets are off.


    More details:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...of-Sovereignty

    P.S. - It is not a wasted effort to investigate local law (and state constitution), nor to accumulate reference material that spells out exactly what "Creator endowed rights" include. Most Americans have been indoctrinated to be ignorant of their birthright. However, all facts are in the public record, available at any county courthouse law library. You must make some effort to educate yourself to what you surrendered by consent, and decide if it is worth it to withdraw consent.
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    watermunky--

    Being a registered voter is proof that you are a citizen of the United States.
    If you're a citizen of the United States, you are subject to that corporation's
    rules. Although it's only Step One, it's important to de-register if you don't
    wish to be a subject.

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    Thank you Oz and genevieve.

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    Dear Osmigard: I have read somewhere on line that a prime part of being a Sovreign is owning private property, which simultaneously means LAND GRANTED PROPERTY, if you can find it. If true, how do you go about finding it? Also, if you succeed and relinquish everything else which cannot be held under the Sovreign System, the bastards can still take the land from you and offer you peanuts for it. Would you answer the part about Land Granted Property and say whether that is correct?

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    I'd just like to address the OP's opinion on social media being a meaningless, useless waste of time. I think this is completely incorrect. Social media can be an amazing, enlightening, useful tool when used in the right way. It connects the world.

    For example, when an event is happening in the world, you can watch it on Twitter, seeing real people's opinions, photos, videos, reactions to the event. First hand. From people on the ground. Rather than only having the mainstream media's take on it. It also has wonderful uses for spreading awareness and bringing people together in order to help a cause, promote new ideas, spread information, oust corruption etc etc. The benefits are endless.

    I just wanted to add this brief aside, as it's a powerful tool and not to be rubbished off like that, in my opinion.
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    Words are cheap---but talking about, even though it is not actually doing anything, is like a drip of water--eventually it makes an impression, a change in real terms occurs.
    Understanding about spirituality, leads to the conclusion that everything happen in the un-manifest (formless) first--them becomes reality (form)

    I am optimistic about the future--evolution is on going.

    Troubled times, but would you really like to live in the same situation that most people experienced only 100 years ago.
    We complain from our warm houses with our full tummies--true some do not have that luxury but in the West on the whole we are not badly done by.

    You want change?
    Be the change you want to see.
    Its your responsibility no one else's
    However change is inevitable--even if you/me are not part of bringing it about.
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    Reminded me of an article I saw yesterday , and what other researchers have
    touched upon some of them have been ' bunkering down' for some time. Then
    you get into the hidden underground bases and mini cities ec.....

    If they want to bury themselves , let them as far as I'm concerned. If things
    get that bad its time to get back to the astral plane...... if not :


    Billionaires Flee to Panic Mansion Safe Spaces

    By David on 15 October 2016 GMT



    Published on 29 Sep 2016

    Welcome to New World Next Week — the video series from Corbett Report
    and Media Monarchy that covers some of the most important developments
    in open source intelligence news. In this week’s episode:




    http://mirrorspectrum.com/spectrum/d...for-the-elite#
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    Ive seen the elite flee to safe places headlines quite a few times.
    One of these days i might well be true.

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    Quote Posted by amor (here)
    Dear Osmigard: I have read somewhere on line that a prime part of being a Sovreign is owning private property, which simultaneously means LAND GRANTED PROPERTY, [NO] if you can find it. If true, how do you go about finding it? Also, if you succeed and relinquish everything else which cannot be held under the Sovreign System, the bastards can still take the land from you and offer you peanuts for it. Would you answer the part about Land Granted Property and say whether that is correct?
    The short answer: private property, as defined, is that which is absolutely owned by an individual. Under the republican form of government, promised by the USCON, it is part of the Creator endowed rights. And all constitutions explicitly protect it.

    Qualified ownership of land is known as estate (i.e., "real estate") and NOT a protected right, but a revenue taxable privilege.

    Restating, absent consent, one has the endowed right to absolutely own, and if one has alienated title with lawful money and no superior claim exists, one has sufficient facts to defend title to private property.

    Since 1933, the absence of lawful money makes that process a bit more complicated, but one can still buy silver dollars (21 minimum) to establish that lawful money was used to alienate title on the bill of sale (not deed).

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    Quote Posted by genevieve (here)
    watermunky--

    Being a registered voter is proof that you are a citizen of the United States.
    If you're a citizen of the United States, you are subject to that corporation's
    rules. Although it's only Step One, it's important to de-register if you don't
    wish to be a subject.

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    It is true that a citizen is a subject, but don't be misled to assume that there's something wrong with the U.S. government being a corporation. All American governments are corporations, by compact.

    Any exercise of privileges limited to citizens is grounds for their presumption that you are their subject.

    Furthermore, signing up with FICA / Socialist InSecurity is limited to "U.S. citizens / residents" (Form SS-5). American nationals / free inhabitants are ineligible to participate, nor would they wish to.

    And no instrumentality of the Federal Reserve banking system (credit unions included) will open an interest bearing personal account for unnumbered Americans - bless their hearts. (Usury IS an abomination, proscribed for "only" 3500 years)

    You should investigate exactly what constitutes natural rights, natural and personal liberties are (in your state laws), so you will realize what ever remains are civil liberties / privileges subject to and object of the power of government.
    If it needs a license, permission, registration, or a tax, most likely it is NOT an endowed right.
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