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    Default Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    To use an analogy, if you are hiking up a
    mountain, the person at the top of the mountain has a
    better understanding of the mountain and a better view
    and can see more than the person still at the base of
    the mountain. Just because you think you know the
    entire mountain from standing at the bottom and
    looking up doesn’t mean that you know the mountain.
    The person standing at the top of the mountain will
    know more about the mountain because they have the
    experience of climbing it and being at the top of it. It
    doesn’t mean they are better, smarter, more intelligent,
    or more spiritual because they are at the top of the
    mountain, it means they have a different and greater
    perspective than they had before they climbed the
    mountain. It also means they have a greater
    understanding of the mountain and a better view than
    the person still standing in the foothills that has never
    climbed the mountain.

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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    Bill must have a real great perspective with its countless hours of climbing lollllllllllllll

    OK' MrsEndalBeall, to me this quote does not seem very advance, you must have some other perspectives to share as well, no??

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    Yes, but first I wanted to see other people perspective of it as it is. What are your thoughts on it. Why do you feel it doesn't seem to be very advanced?

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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

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    Teaching on what?
    Enlightenment---Self Realization--Non-duality.
    There are no advance teaching on these that Im aware of.
    For me spirituality is finding the answer to the question "Who am I"
    It may well be different for you.
    Looking forward to your response Mrs
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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    Quote It also means they have a greater
    understanding of the mountain and a better view than
    the person still standing in the foothills that has never
    climbed the mountain.
    I would like to change 'greater' and 'better' into 'different'.
    That would be, in my view, an advancement of the anology.
    Comparisons are a slippery slope, because even I myself have never climbed the same mountain twice.

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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    The path of growth is like a walk in the park. There is no point bragging 'I got to the band stand, you are still at the duck pond'...

    If one thinks one is further along that pathway than another, that should not trigger any feelings of superiority. It may be wrong anyway. To be in service does not mean to teach or rescue. Perhaps giving perspectives if asked.

    Once one's presence on the path is recognised, one is drawn to those further along, naturally.

    it is the path of life.
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    I see no advanced teachings in the o.p., the person on top of the mountain only knows the mountain as to the path He has chosen to get to the top; the person below will choose his own path.

    If there is one thing the person on top has over the person below is the view of the land below! He has a different perspective on that as he can see far in all directions. so maybe as he climbes down again he will have a better understanding of where or what he really is. Self knowledge is the highest form of knowledge.
    "Dodecahedron; 12 faces 20 points 30 edges 6480 degrees"

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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    Quote that I *love* ~

    "Dont **** on the people on the way up - you could meet them on the way down"

    Also ~

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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    The title of the thread is: Excerpt - Quote from Advanced Teachings by Mrs. Endall Beall

    My understanding is that “Advanced Teachings” is the title of the book. The mountain analogy is one topic of discussion in the OP.

    *************

    From one perspective, in this moment as I write….and note, it’s always subject to change…like every spot on the mountain, it brings an enriched experience.

    From the base, the specialist goes round and round and round, slowly making the way, picking up nuances of mountain experience.

    The generalist scales it with fortitude and temperament of a different kind. Up and down, up and down. Numerous mountains of experience.

    Different methods matter not. It’s life. Not a race of comparison nor judgment. Each learns lessons custom fit for themselves.

    An open mind, an open posture fills and empties with each step. There is no high nor low nor girth.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    MrsEndallBeall

    Teaching on what?
    Enlightenment---Self Realization--Non-duality.
    There are no advance teaching on these that Im aware of.
    For me spirituality is finding the answer to the question "Who am I"
    It may well be different for you.
    Looking forward to your response Mrs
    Ch
    Precisely, this is what I saw too

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    MrsEndallBeall

    Teaching on what?
    Enlightenment---Self Realization--Non-duality.
    There are no advance teaching on these that Im aware of.
    For me spirituality is finding the answer to the question "Who am I"
    It may well be different for you.
    Looking forward to your response Mrs
    Ch
    Precisely, this is what I saw too, like Greybeard

    A mountain is a mountain, that you climb through different path, change your point of view depending on the spot you are on, sweat to get on top, climb it twice and realised this is always different anyhow, exercise mind and body while going through it, a mountain is a mountain and will remain for a while for itself and for all.

    Seeing the wisdom in this is seeing the wisdom in life anyhow,

    So I do not see why it would be an advance teaching.... I would say it is a teaching, one amongst numerous ones, no more, no less. The "advance teachings" are within oneself, whatever there is.

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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    Mrs I dont think you have done yourself any favors with the way you presented the excerpt in your OP

    A little explanation where it came from will help--ie is it from a book you wrote?
    Many who frequent the spiritual section here are well read on spiritual matters so you may be preaching to the Choir so to speak.

    Anyway, dont be put off--im sure you have something worth while to contribute.

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    Quote Posted by MrsEndallBeall (here)
    To use an analogy, if you are hiking up a
    mountain, the person at the top of the mountain has a
    better understanding of the mountain and a better view
    and can see more than the person still at the base of
    the mountain. Just because you think you know the
    entire mountain from standing at the bottom and
    looking up doesn’t mean that you know the mountain.
    The person standing at the top of the mountain will
    know more about the mountain because they have the
    experience of climbing it and being at the top of it. It
    doesn’t mean they are better, smarter, more intelligent,
    or more spiritual because they are at the top of the
    mountain, it means they have a different and greater
    perspective than they had before they climbed the
    mountain. It also means they have a greater
    understanding of the mountain and a better view than
    the person still standing in the foothills that has never
    climbed the mountain.
    But they have further to fall if they've climbed the wrong mountain.
    The quantum field responds not to what we want; but to who we are being. Dr. Joe Dispenza

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    Quote Posted by MrsEndallBeall (here)
    To use an analogy, if you are hiking up a
    mountain, the person at the top of the mountain has a
    better understanding of the mountain and a better view
    and can see more than the person still at the base of
    the mountain. Just because you think you know the
    entire mountain from standing at the bottom and
    looking up doesn’t mean that you know the mountain.
    The person standing at the top of the mountain will
    know more about the mountain because they have the
    experience of climbing it and being at the top of it. It
    doesn’t mean they are better, smarter, more intelligent,
    or more spiritual because they are at the top of the
    mountain, it means they have a different and greater
    perspective than they had before they climbed the
    mountain. It also means they have a greater
    understanding of the mountain and a better view than
    the person still standing in the foothills that has never
    climbed the mountain.
    Oh, apologies if "I am late to this thread" but having just read it for the first time I was immediately reminded of something similar and perhaps in the same vein as the OP :

    Dismount your donkey at the summit

    Some places in this world are very hard to climb, and people
    use animals. Each person can only ride one, and each animal
    might have a different name. The riders go up the trail in dif-
    ferent orders, and they discuss their varying opinions about
    their experiences. They may even have conflicting opinions:
    One traveler may think the trip thrilling, another may find it
    terrifying, and a third may find it banal.

    At the summit all the travelers stand in the same place. Each
    of them has the same chance to view the same vistas. The
    donkeys are put to rest and graze; they are not needed any-
    more.

    We all travel the path of Tao. The donkeys are the various
    doctrines that each of us embraces. What does it matter which
    doctrine we embrace as long as it leads us to the summit? Your
    donkey might be a Zen donkey, mine might be a Tao donkey.
    There are Christian, Islamic, Jewish, and even Agnostic don-
    keys. All lead to the same place. Why poke fun at others over
    the name of their donkey? Aren't you riding one yourself?

    We should put aside both the donkeys and our interim ex-
    periences once we arrive at the summit. Whether we climbed
    in suffering or joy is immaterial; we are there. All religions
    have different names for the ways of getting to the holy sum-
    mit. Once we reach the summit, we no longer need names,
    and we can experience all things directly.

    Deng Ming-Dao

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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    Posted by Clearlight.....
    Your
    donkey might be a Zen donkey, mine might be a Tao donkey.

    My donkey refused to climb further...full stop on the side of the mountain....did my donkey just make an azz out of himself ?
    No, seriously now...when one stops the climb I perceive one has to reflect and work through a stop gap, clear it first to move onward or upwards.

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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    I felt like sharing the quote because it was an insight I had a long time ago that inspires me every day. I felt the push to post it here because someone else might find inspiration in it as well. This quote is about perceptions and how people tend to make snap judgment and form perceptions without knowing the rest of the story, as illustrated in most of the comments. I realize that not everyone is going to find inspiration in it, but someone somewhere probably will. I didn't put more out there because I'm not trying to push my book and I really didn't have any intention of posting more because the quote in an of itself stands alone. I will say though, please remember that there are many people at this site, and although you personally don't find this advanced someone else might, so give them the opportunity to make that choice for themselves.


    Thank you for the comments.

    "The only measuring tool that anyone needs to use to measure their own advancing cognition and perceptions is their own levels of perception and cognition on their own
    path.

    Others we have encountered perceive we are arrogant because of what we share, but that is not the case. We know the viewpoint they hold, not necessarily from their personal perspective, but from the perspective of someone that has already been there where these spiritual beliefs are concerned, done that, embraced it, and grew beyond it. I can say this because early on my path, I did the same thing. As I tore down my belief box and opened myself up to higher cognition and experiences, my perspectives changed because I allowed myself to experience higher awareness by not being so stringent in embracing a belief system or in the idea of what I think I know. I’ve always said that true wisdom is knowing that no matter how much you know, there is always more to learn, and my path has proven that to be true every day.

    To use an analogy, if you are hiking up a mountain, the person at the top of the mountain has a better understanding of the mountain and a better view and can see more than the person still at the base of the mountain. Just because you think you know the entire mountain from standing at the bottom and looking up doesn’t mean that you know the mountain. The person standing at the top of the mountain will know more about the mountain because they have the experience of climbing it and being at the top of it. It doesn’t mean they are better, smarter, more intelligent, or more spiritual because they are at the top of the mountain, it means they have a different and greater
    perspective than they had before they climbed the mountain. It also means they have a greater understanding of the mountain and a better view than the person still standing in the foothills that has never climbed the mountain. If the person on top of the mountain climbs the mountain again in a year, they will have a different and greater perspective once they reach the top than they had the first time they climbed it.

    The way that the ego operates is pretty typical in most people. Although there is a variety of ways the ego will present itself in each person, the ego reactions are typical enough that they are highly predictable. I have shared the above analogy many times in talking to other people and only about 1% of the people agreed with the analogy, the other 99% got pissed off at me, calling me names and accusing me of being an “arrogant b*tch” because I dare think that I am more “enlightened than them”. What is so ironic and tragically funny about their reaction is that this gold nugget of truth (and it is a truth) came to me at a time on my path that I was standing on an ant hill thinking I
    was on a mountain. It came to me as I was in the throes of spiritual frustration over concepts that I couldn’t grasp and watching others around me having the understanding that I just couldn’t find. When it came to me I was standing at the foothills too scared to climb the mountain. Egos are always emotionally reactive. When people are talking to each other, egos will always try to place themselves in a certain position of the information presented. The analogy I used above is just an analogy, but it is an analogy where the ego will apply an equation factor. The equation unknown is the person X at the top of the mountain and person Y in the foothills. A spiritual person, not operating from a point of ego is going to understand the analogy at face value and not try to insert itself into any part of the equation or they will insert themselves into both X and
    Y as an indicator of their own path. Egos on the other hand inevitably will try to insert themselves and the other person into the equation as an assumed perspective of the other person. I’ve never had one person that got pissed at the analogy put themselves in the X spot. The egos always make the assumption that by me sharing this analogy I am inserting myself in the equation at position X and them into the equation as position Y. Yet it is their own egos perception that puts them in the foothills and not on the mountaintop. The ego will jump to this erroneous conclusion more often than not, especially if it is presented by another person and not just through reading the analogy.

    Operating in spirit mode, there isn’t a need for me to tell someone at what point on my path I was at in correlation to the mountain when this insight came into my perceptual awareness, because the truth of it far surpasses any level of perceptual awareness that I have personally experienced. In other words, even though I don’t hold many things as an absolute truth, this one gold nugget has passed the test and has held up as a truth throughout many different levels of perceptual awareness.

    The mountain is just an analogy and, truth be told, on the mountain of anyone’s spirit journey, there is no mountaintop it is a continual ascent into perceptual awareness and cognitive advancement."

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    Default Re: Excerpt - Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall

    Quote Posted by MrsEndallBeall (here)
    I felt like sharing the quote because it was an insight I had a long time ago that inspires me every day. I felt the push to post it here because someone else might find inspiration in it as well. This quote is about perceptions and how people tend to make snap judgment and form perceptions without knowing the rest of the story, as illustrated in most of the comments. I realize that not everyone is going to find inspiration in it, but someone somewhere probably will. I didn't put more out there because I'm not trying to push my book and I really didn't have any intention of posting more because the quote in an of itself stands alone. I will say though, please remember that there are many people at this site, and although you personally don't find this advanced someone else might, so give them the opportunity to make that choice for themselves.


    Thank you for the comments.

    "The only measuring tool that anyone needs to use to measure their own advancing cognition and perceptions is their own levels of perception and cognition on their own
    path.

    Others we have encountered perceive we are arrogant because of what we share, but that is not the case. We know the viewpoint they hold, not necessarily from their personal perspective, but from the perspective of someone that has already been there where these spiritual beliefs are concerned, done that, embraced it, and grew beyond it. I can say this because early on my path, I did the same thing. As I tore down my belief box and opened myself up to higher cognition and experiences, my perspectives changed because I allowed myself to experience higher awareness by not being so stringent in embracing a belief system or in the idea of what I think I know. I’ve always said that true wisdom is knowing that no matter how much you know, there is always more to learn, and my path has proven that to be true every day.

    To use an analogy, if you are hiking up a mountain, the person at the top of the mountain has a better understanding of the mountain and a better view and can see more than the person still at the base of the mountain. Just because you think you know the entire mountain from standing at the bottom and looking up doesn’t mean that you know the mountain. The person standing at the top of the mountain will know more about the mountain because they have the experience of climbing it and being at the top of it. It doesn’t mean they are better, smarter, more intelligent, or more spiritual because they are at the top of the mountain, it means they have a different and greater
    perspective than they had before they climbed the mountain. It also means they have a greater understanding of the mountain and a better view than the person still standing in the foothills that has never climbed the mountain. If the person on top of the mountain climbs the mountain again in a year, they will have a different and greater perspective once they reach the top than they had the first time they climbed it.

    The way that the ego operates is pretty typical in most people. Although there is a variety of ways the ego will present itself in each person, the ego reactions are typical enough that they are highly predictable. I have shared the above analogy many times in talking to other people and only about 1% of the people agreed with the analogy, the other 99% got pissed off at me, calling me names and accusing me of being an “arrogant b*tch” because I dare think that I am more “enlightened than them”. What is so ironic and tragically funny about their reaction is that this gold nugget of truth (and it is a truth) came to me at a time on my path that I was standing on an ant hill thinking I
    was on a mountain. It came to me as I was in the throes of spiritual frustration over concepts that I couldn’t grasp and watching others around me having the understanding that I just couldn’t find. When it came to me I was standing at the foothills too scared to climb the mountain. Egos are always emotionally reactive. When people are talking to each other, egos will always try to place themselves in a certain position of the information presented. The analogy I used above is just an analogy, but it is an analogy where the ego will apply an equation factor. The equation unknown is the person X at the top of the mountain and person Y in the foothills. A spiritual person, not operating from a point of ego is going to understand the analogy at face value and not try to insert itself into any part of the equation or they will insert themselves into both X and
    Y as an indicator of their own path. Egos on the other hand inevitably will try to insert themselves and the other person into the equation as an assumed perspective of the other person. I’ve never had one person that got pissed at the analogy put themselves in the X spot. The egos always make the assumption that by me sharing this analogy I am inserting myself in the equation at position X and them into the equation as position Y. Yet it is their own egos perception that puts them in the foothills and not on the mountaintop. The ego will jump to this erroneous conclusion more often than not, especially if it is presented by another person and not just through reading the analogy.

    Operating in spirit mode, there isn’t a need for me to tell someone at what point on my path I was at in correlation to the mountain when this insight came into my perceptual awareness, because the truth of it far surpasses any level of perceptual awareness that I have personally experienced. In other words, even though I don’t hold many things as an absolute truth, this one gold nugget has passed the test and has held up as a truth throughout many different levels of perceptual awareness.

    The mountain is just an analogy and, truth be told, on the mountain of anyone’s spirit journey, there is no mountaintop it is a continual ascent into perceptual awareness and cognitive advancement."
    Good explanations and even good conclusion on the tricks the ego will play, putting you at the top just for giving the analogy, and putting oneself at the bottom of the mountain. Probably true for most.

    Therefore, my question here is the following: despite the fact that some could find some help into this mountain analogy, why did you start the thread with it, knowing very well what the ego of most will probably do? Was your intent to have egos show up and maybe create discontent? Was your intent to show us how egos work and see throught ourselves? What was your primary intent with that first post of yours?

    You see I believe that intent drives the truth or falsehood (from the heart/light or from the ego).

    Because even if the analogy can help some, I still do not see it as advance teaching.

    And... you came to the same conclusion as mine in your post above, that:

    Quote A mountain is a mountain, that you climb through different path, change your point of view depending on the spot you are on, sweat to get on top, climb it twice and realised this is always different anyhow, exercise mind and body while going through it, a mountain is a mountain and will remain for a while for itself and for all.

    Seeing the wisdom in this is seeing the wisdom in life anyhow,

    So I do not see why it would be an advance teaching.... I would say it is a teaching, one amongst numerous ones, no more, no less. The "advance teachings" are within oneself, whatever there is.
    I do think that your first mountain analogy coupled with the thread title are misleading and ego provoking - not higher spiritual wisdom working, as the intent you seem to say you had (but please correct me if I am wrong). But I would rather ask you, what was your primary intent and why?
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    As I stated in my reply with the reason I felt compelled to present it "As I stated I felt like sharing the quote because it was an insight I had a long time ago that inspires me every day. I felt the push to post it here because someone else might find inspiration in it as well."

    The last time I posted it in a different forum I didn't get the reactions that were presented in here, most people took it at face value and found merit in it. Since this forum presents itself with others that claim to be advance spiritually speaking I figured it would be a safe bet that it would be well received like it had the last time I presented., I honestly didnt think I'd get the comments that it got, so I chose to use it as an opportunity to share the rest of it I've learned from the parts I had in my book. I posted it out there without asking anyone to comment and the quote itself isn't inflammatory in any way. Once the first food critic opinion showed up, I figure I might as well share the whole post. After I saw the rest, definitely.

    The book is called Advanced Teachings and it a name that others that read it suggested for the title and I've had more than enough feedback supporting the content has been aptly named. The title doesn't mean that every word in there is advanced, but don't judge a 350 page book on one paragraph as you and others have done. I did't ask anyone to comment and I certianly didn't tell them what to comment, they did that on their own and you see that my observations in the rest were met. That is on them, not me. But it is a prime example of what I talk about in the rest of my book that people make snap decision and form perceptions in the blink of an eye about something. So seeing this in their behavior will show them where to make corrections.

    Thanks for responding, but it has been made very clear, this isn't the place for me. The other forum has much more open minded people that have learned to not make snap judgments without knowing more of the information. in other words, they are more advanced than you guys. But thank you for providing me with more example to share when I share this with others.

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    As I stated in my reply with the reason I felt compelled to present it "As I stated I felt like sharing the quote because it was an insight I had a long time ago that inspires me every day. I felt the push to post it here because someone else might find inspiration in it as well."

    The last time I posted it in a different forum I didn't get the reactions that were presented in here, most people took it at face value and found merit in it. Since this forum presents itself with others that claim to be advance spiritually speaking I figured it would be a safe bet that it would be well received like it had the last time I presented., I honestly didnt think I'd get the comments that it got, so I chose to use it as an opportunity to share the rest of it I've learned from the parts I had in my book. I posted it out there without asking anyone to comment and the quote itself isn't inflammatory in any way. Once the first food critic opinion showed up, I figure I might as well share the whole post. After I saw the rest, definitely.

    The book is called Advanced Teachings and it a name that others that read it suggested for the title and I've had more than enough feedback supporting the content has been aptly named. The title doesn't mean that every word in there is advanced, but don't judge a 350 page book on one paragraph as you and others have done. I did't ask anyone to comment and I certianly didn't tell them what to comment, they did that on their own and you see that my observations in the rest were met. That is on them, not me. But it is a prime example of what I talk about in the rest of my book that people make snap decision and form perceptions in the blink of an eye about something. So seeing this in their behavior will show them where to make corrections.

    Thanks for responding, but it has been made very clear, this isn't the place for me. The other forum has much more open minded people that have learned to not make snap judgments without knowing more of the information. in other words, they are more advanced than you guys. But thank you for providing me with more example to share when I share this with others.
    Your last sentence seems to me to show quite advance spiritual ego, the last and most difficult thing to go through before some enlightment (since enlightnment goes step by step, in a progressive fashion).

    How can you, for heaven sake, judge people as being "less advance" than on another forum, accusing us of snap judgment, when in fact your are making those snap judgments based on a few posts from some members.

    Humility and detachment is one of the trademark of englightment, isn't it?

    And then telling us you will use our posts to our detriment when talking to others.

    Really....... !!!???

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    don't give up on us, if we are less advanced, we need you more. ....
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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