Bob Dean Authenticity

[greybeard]

I think that its healthy that there are people on the forum who speak their mind and thanks to DNA fro that.
I don't believe100% of what Bob Dean says--but its a feeling rather than any opposing evidence.
DNA and I have crossed paths but I think we have both benefited from honest, respectful exchange, both of us open to logic and suggested alternative ways of perceiving.

Chris

[regnak]

Bill Ryan well Max Spiers is sadly not with us anymore while his death is not in question much question are asked how he died and why he died . Well as for his information i say let him rest in peace .

Max Spiers: Why was conspiracy theorist's computer wiped?

http://www.theweek.co.uk/77649/max-s...d-by-satanists

Bill: I was just thinking that. So far, I've been waiting for other members to speak up. Some skepticism is called for (in some cases, total skepticism!) re whistleblowers in general, but OMG, they have the wrong target here. There's a long list of others who deserve scrutiny before Bob does.

For example (this is an interesting exercise): Corey Goode, Simon Parkes, Steven Greer, Andy Basiago, Laura Eisenhower, Randy Kramer, Bill Tompkins (even him: his resumé checks out, but his information is unbelievable), Alex Collier (who I’ve met and was very impressed by, but I don't believe all his info either), M T Keshe, Bill Cooper, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Leo Zagami, Lou Baldin, Max Spiers, and even Jordan Maxwell (who does have some of his etymological analysis quite wrong).

And, importantly for us all now, maybe Tom DeLonge, who might be unwittingly part of a large military-intel opportunistic psyop that was handed to them on a silver platter.

There’ll be many more, too. Bob Dean is about 250th low down in priority (or lower!) on that “should be scrutinized” list.

[DNA]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
DNA... At times, the candor is too hot for me. You and a few others on the forum, remind me of why some in my life are no longer a part of it. The communication style that felt like winner-takes-all was a drain.

I can't remember the last time the messenger was the discussion more than the message.

I Remember the title of this thread as "Bob Dean Authenticity".
If I had known this thread was really titled "Is DNA an a$$hole" I would have started off with a gentler post.
If you folks will review, before I was attacked I was completely on topic 100%, the only problem was I was not a Bob Dean cheerleader, I was giving my honest view on the topic which is "Bob Dean's Authenticity".
Then Daozen attacked me personally. And rather than a mod showing up and stating "hey this is a personal attack, we need to keep this on topic", which was a fairly simple matter, instead the personal attacks were allowed and seemingly encouraged.
Daozen was then seemingly emboldened by what he viewed as a green light.

Now here is a question. When someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, does that then make the mods no longer apply the rules of the forum, and as such allow sanctioned hits on a individual by regular forum members?
Apparently I didn't know questioning the Santa Claus like status of Bob Dean on this forum would get me this kind of treatment.


I think this is a serious question for the mods to talk about with Bill Ryan.
If someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, should that person still be protected by the forum's rules?
I'm not kidding here.

[neutronstar]

=Bill Ryan;
Are people who talk about such things liars? Very unlikely.

I would have to disagree with you on that one Bill, well sort of. Liars, maybe not. Recalling something that actually happened, probably not.

I have listened to a lot of people who do past life regression and they say they never get people who were famous in past lives. But a lot of people get a feeling they were someone famous, but when they go into regression it turns out they weren't. The Ego always wants to be important and it plays tricks on us all.

When you do the numbers there are very few famous people compared to the rest of the population, it would seem the odds don't add up that there are so many people that were famous in past lives.

I don't remember my past lives but if I did I would be happy to share them, but I would also say that how could I be sure it was a real memory, or just something my ego wants to be true. I don't believe I was anyone famous either.

[Spellbound]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Spellbound (here)

By saying he was a friend of Jesus in a past life, he instantly lost credibility with me.

Well, that may be a simplistic view.

I'd say that someone who's willing to publicly disclose their own intensely personal, subjective, past life experiences is showing maybe quite some courage. (Anyone else here willing to do that? )

I know one Avalon member very well who has clear recall of being the wife of Joseph of Arimathea, and I know another person (not a member, but a very experienced past life therapist) who has recall of being one of Jesus' younger brothers. Neither of them have ever said anything publicly about this, make no claims, and don't see it as any big deal.

I wasn't around in the Holy Land at that time (as best I know), but I do have clear memories of being a large, affable, bearded, Jewish-French priest (with very large hands, I particularly remember), who received Mary Magdalene near Narbonne in 37 AD, and escorted her to safety, for a number of years, with a small group in Rennes-les-Bains (not Rennes-le-Château, interestingly).

I too make no claims for that, and it's just curious, unprovable stuff. (Rather like data received in a remote viewing session: it needs to be cross-correlated, if possible, with other 'hard' information, and may not be all that valuable on its own.)

Dolores Cannon wrote a little book called Jesus and the Essenes (PDF here), about her own experience regressing a client who (to their astonishment!) recalled being a young student -- with the young Jesus -- in an Essene community. It's well worth the read.

Are people who talk about such things liars? Very unlikely. Is it interesting? Yes. Is it real? Impossible to know. Does it somehow discredit anything else they say? Absolutely not.

Hi Bill,

Apologies if that ruffled a few feathers....but that's how I feel in regards to Bob Dean. Bob Dean talked for years about UFO related stuff and then later on he brings up knowing Jesus?? Why did he not bring that up earlier (or did he suddenly come to this realization)?? As I said previously, I do believe much of Bob Dean has said through the years....but that Jesus bit was a bit over the top, for me anyways. As simplistic as that may be....that's how I feel. When someone says they were once friends with the so called son of God....I tune out.

Dave - Toronto

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Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
DNA... At times, the candor is too hot for me. You and a few others on the forum, remind me of why some in my life are no longer a part of it. The communication style that felt like winner-takes-all was a drain.

I can't remember the last time the messenger was the discussion more than the message.

I Remember the title of this thread as "Bob Dean Authenticity".
If I had known this thread was really titled "Is DNA an a$$hole" I would have started off with a gentler post.
If you folks will review, before I was attacked I was completely on topic 100%, the only problem was I was not a Bob Dean cheerleader, I was giving my honest view on the topic which is "Bob Dean's Authenticity".
Then Daozen attacked me personally. And rather than a mod showing up and stating "hey this is a personal attack, we need to keep this on topic", which was a fairly simple matter, instead the personal attacks were allowed and seemingly encouraged.
Daozen was then seemingly emboldened by what he viewed as a green light.

Now here is a question. When someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, does that then make the mods no longer apply the rules of the forum, and as such allow sanctioned hits on a individual by regular forum members?
Apparently I didn't know questioning the Santa Claus like status of Bob Dean on this forum would get me this kind of treatment.


I think this is a serious question for the mods to talk about with Bill Ryan.
If someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, should that person still be protected by the forum's rules?
I'm not kidding here.

I don't know your style of posting very well, but I don't really care how people come across. This is a message board and words alone are a very bad form of communication. Not everyone has a talent of getting their point across in writing. Because of this I try not to judge people to harshly on message boards.

I have to say in this thread I have to side with you. I don't see what you said is all that bad. It is your view, I can respect that.

Bob Dean is a nice guy and some of the people on this forum know him personally, so that is going to cause backlash. People have a hard time taking emotion out of a debate. I try not to let my emotions get in the way of critical thinking. So you and I wont have any problems for future reference.

[Sierra]

Posted by DNA (here)
Now here is a question. When someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, does that then make the mods no longer apply the rules of the forum, and as such allow sanctioned hits on a individual by regular forum members?
Apparently I didn't know questioning the Santa Claus like status of Bob Dean on this forum would get me this kind of treatment.


I think this is a serious question for the mods to talk about with Bill Ryan.
If someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, should that person still be protected by the forum's rules?
I'm not kidding here.

It's not so much what you say, it's how you say it. Seems to be a cycle with you DNA. When you first came back to the forum recently, I thought your posts were reasoned, intelligent, stuck to the topic, not rude or contemptuous. I was impressed. But you've been getting increasingly nasty and impatient, a result of frustration, I suspect.

Okay, your serious question: A good example is Onawah, on the topic of Simon Parkes, where Onawah clearly, and for multiple threads, vehemently disagreed with Bill Ryan's views. But she was consistently polite, so her multiple (at least five, if not more) threads went on for weeks. I was exhausted myself BUT, in the last thread, with the assistance of Araucaria, the focus of the conversation shifted to an analysis of mantid and reptilian aspects of hybrid humanity. It died shortly thereafter, but it still exists as an excellent topic to jump start a future conversation.

Just my mod .02.

[Sunny-side-up]

There are multiple stories within multiple stories being played out at the moment.
What and or who is true?
You/we have to be multiple readers coming at these stories from many angles. Which ever resonates with you go for it.

I don't believe 100% of what anyone says in this game/play especially within in the paranormal. Especially if they have had contact with military and secrete positions. Who can say what is real these days and who can say they are clean of interference of hidden programming upon them?

Not picking fights here, just want to know your opinions:
just adding this:

Sociopaths, Psychopaths aren't the evil monsters people think they are. They can be, but they can also be the nicest people you ever meet. They are great at manipulating people.
Jesus fits many aspects ha!

If you believe we are all connected, we are one consciousness and that time and space are all here and now, past lives etc. Well we have all met Jesus and or the entity known as Jesus, we have all played these parts or been part of that play. We can all experience the 'Christ - Consciousness'



http://www.eceti.org/Jhames Gill

DNA, Spellbound, others what do you think of James Gilliland?

[7alon]

While DNA makes interesting points about these coincidences, there is no doubt in my mind that these coincidences occur all the time for many of us. I believe a lot of these coincidences happen for reasons we don't fully comprehend.

While I won't go into any detail for now, I am connected by coincidence to a few significant people myself. People which have aided me in my path to finding an answer for this feeling like I have something important to do; something which has been nagging at me since my earliest memories. I'll give you one example: A friend of mine that I've grown up with is an IT engineer who is a really really great friend/person. He works for Lockheed Martin on stuff contracted to the Government. For sometime when he first started, he lived up in Alice Springs doing this work he couldn't and still doesn't talk about.

He currently works 2 weeks on and off doing the same job for the same people and flies over from South Australia to Western Australia to do the work. One time I joked around and said something like "I bet you get to see all the cool aliens and spaceships". We normally joke around a lot, but this time he just didn't even respond. There were a handful of us just talking at the time and he just blended back into somebody else's discussion as if I had never said anything. I've never seen him act that way before, and didn't pursue it.

The fact that I am connected to people like this and have unique abilities myself is quite a coincidence, but I've known this guy since school and his family didn't work for the Government either, so it wasn't set up or anything. Unreal stuff truly can 'just happen', and many people don't to talk about it, they are scared.. myself included. For God's sake I just found out less than a week ago that I can heal ailments with my hands. I was in such shock I really didn't even want to share it with even this community, but I did because people here have done the same, and I can't just sit and watch a world full of suffering. I want people to know there is hope and there are truly amazing things that exist in this world that aren't being publicly acknowledged.... even if it is just my word, I know it still means something to the people here.

I believe People like Bob Dean feel the same way, and I believe I felt and saw that in his sadness. I can tell you now that with this empathic ability I have, I have felt thoughts and feelings of Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, Pete Peterson, David Wilcock, Corey Goode, Bob Dean and Leo Kagami (edit forgot 'Henry Deacon'). They are the only people I can feel so far in relation to Project Camelot interviews and its not all happy sunshine stuff either. I will elaborate privately if people wish to know that badly.

I will say for everybody to see that Bill and Kerry are very kind people with no intent of deceit. Kerry may be driven by anger to pursue the truth, but the anger is only because she cares so deeply. She is, like many of us, upset that things are being unfairly kept from us and in turn, in her eyes, causing a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering.

[greybeard]

As far as past life goes, through hypnosis not just your past life but others can be accessed --who is to verify that the past life you find is yours?
Look at Dolores work--other "people" came through her subject
If you want to go deeply into spiritual you could say there is only consciousness and that being shared, many things can be found particularly through hypnosis, sleep or lucid dreaming.
So Bob Dean may truthfully have come up with past life experiences that he can declare is his, but it may be shared experience.
Hope that does not muddy the water.

Chris

PsI had not seen Sunnyside post before writing this---coincidence Lol

Ch

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Posted by greybeard (here)
As far as past life goes, through hypnosis not just your past life but others can be accessed --who is to verify that the past life you find is yours?
Look at Dolores work--other "people" came through her subject
If you want to go deeply into spiritual you could say there is only consciousness and that being shared, many things can be found particularly through hypnosis, sleep or lucid dreaming.
So Bob Dean may truthfully have come up with past life experiences that he can declare is his, but it may be shared experience.
Hope that does not muddy the water.

Chris

Yes, you muddied the waters. I will muddy them even further by saying we all one, so all our lives are really the same.

[Verdilac]

Posted by DNA (here)

Now here is a question. When someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, does that then make the mods no longer apply the rules of the forum, and as such allow sanctioned hits on a individual by regular forum members?
Apparently I didn't know questioning the Santa Claus like status of Bob Dean on this forum would get me this kind of treatment.


I think this is a serious question for the mods to talk about with Bill Ryan.
If someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, should that person still be protected by the forum's rules?
I'm not kidding here.

Others have roughly mentioned in this thread what I'm about to say.

I'm glad DNA has mentioned this btw as it shows how open the forum can be.

When you interview and have in depth conversations with someone, namely Bob Dean as mentioned in this thread, you get a feel for the person .

Its hard for some to explain but others would call it an energetical interaction/ exchange, I would trust this above everything personally but having said that, you do have to be careful.

I had an interaction will Bill many years ago when I was young, before secondary school tried to brainwash me.

I trust what my younger self felt that day even though I did not fully understand it or what was really happening at the time.

As I result I trust what Bill is trying to achieve with his life and works, and whilst I may not agree with everything that happens on the forum and the decisions taken I do trust things are heading in a positive direction most of the time.

So I would trust His view of Bob Dean for the record and would love to see some of the outtakes from the interviews that were conducted with him as he seemed to have a lot more to share than time permitted.

[RunningDeer]

Deleted. I understand the question asked was rhetorical.

[onawah]

On the subject of past life regression, as I understand it, certain very significant lifetimes of individuals have been available to others for "auditing" in between incarnations.
For example, perhaps before Bob Dean incarnated as Bob Dean in this lifetime, when he was out of body and deciding on what he wanted to do in his coming lifetime, he decided it would be useful to monitor the life of one of Jesus's disciples, so that he (Bob Dean) could get a better idea of what Jesus was really all about, for whatever reason.
He could elect to experience part or all of one of Jesus's disciple's life subjectively, as though he were actually experiencing it.
Such a monitoring could cover years of the disciple's life, and yet be experienced in that out of body state by the one monitoring it in a very brief amount of linear time, but the essence of that experiencing could still be captured for the purpose of learning.
Which explains why many people claim to have past life memories of the lifetimes of such souls as the disciples of Jesus, and genuinely believe it.
I am not saying that I think Bob Dean was not actually the person he says he was, who was well acquainted with Jesus--in fact, I would not be surprised if his claim is accurate.
In my view, Jesus was a real person and a revolutionary, as were his disciples, and I would expect those souls today would be doing such work such as Bob Dean has been doing in this life, which is both revolutionary and of global importance.
As for his timing with that revelation, it's quite common for people to wait until they are near death to reveal things about their lives that they never wanted to reveal before.
And as for sociopaths being difficult to read, that may be so, but other people can be difficult to read as well, for reasons of their own.
I used to go to the Berkeley Psychic Institute for readings and classes, and it was not uncommon for even very experienced and talented psychics to be unable to read certain individuals, not because they were sociopaths or psychopaths, but simply because those individuals wanted certain things to remain private.
But when the time was right, and they were ready to have something looked at, the barriers would go down, and they would get a reading.

[DNA]

Posted by Sierra (here)
It's not so much what you say, it's how you say it. Seems to be a cycle with you DNA. When you first came back to the forum recently, I thought your posts were reasoned, intelligent, stuck to the topic, not rude or contemptuous. I was impressed. But you've been getting increasingly nasty and impatient, a result of frustration, I suspect.

Is the jury going to come forward one by one to issue their verdict?
If you folks seriously had a problem with my posting shouldn't you folks have pm'd me, or let me know that the posts in question was unacceptable?
The only post that comes to mind in the last few months was a post I made addressing Cartomancer for what I felt was an amazingly insulting post. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1108402
My review of that post leads me to believe I was perfectly within bounds.
Unless you site instances of my incredible rudeness I'm left without really being able to defend myself.
I'm also kind of left with the idea that the moderation team is presently grasping at straws in an attempt to validate their irrational defense of a whistleblower who is not a member of this forum, of whom I should have the freedom to express my appreciation of or lack there of.

Posted by Sierra (here)
Okay, your serious question: A good example is Onawah, on the topic of Simon Parkes, where Onawah clearly, and for multiple threads, vehemently disagreed with Bill Ryan's views. But she was consistently polite, so her multiple (at least five, if not more) threads went on for weeks. I was exhausted myself BUT, in the last thread, with the assistance of Araucaria, the focus of the conversation shifted to an analysis of mantid and reptilian aspects of hybrid humanity. It died shortly thereafter, but it still exists as an excellent topic to jump a future conversation.
Just my mod .02.

Wow, funny you should mention Simon Parks, Bill and I had dissenting opinions on Simon, 7 months before Avalon made a public declaration of not supporting Simon, I told Bill privately about my concerns in regards to Simon Parks and I told him that to let Simon continue on this forum was tantement to endorsing Simon. Bill defended Simon Parks on the grounds that he had "not been convicted by a court of law" and as such should be allowed to continue.
This forum was so pro-simon at the time, I had to leave the forum to go to another forum where victims of Simon and those with dissenting opinions were allowed to discuss Simon Parks and criticize him and his ways.
This happened on your watch Sierra, this happened on your watch Paul, and what did you guys do? You guys sat on your hands and did nothing.


This forum needs folks who have the balls to voice a dissenting opinion from time to time.
The mods certainly do not, and understandably the mods are here to make sure the forum is run according to how Bill wants it run.
But that is why this forum needs folks who speak their mind regardless of who is being offended.
I'm certainly not the gunslinger around these parts you guys are making me out to be, but for you guys to act as if I"M a problem with how few waves I make, then maybe you should stop and ponder what forums look like with "no waves" being made.

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Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
DNA, Spellbound, others what do you think of James Gilliland?

I've listened to quite a bit of James via Giovanni's threads.
I think James comes across as genuine as they come.

[Sierra]

Wow, funny you should mention Simon Parks, Bill and I had dissenting opinions on Simon, 7 months before Avalon made a public declaration of not supporting Simon, I told Bill privately about my concerns in regards to Simon Parks and I told him that to let Simon continue on this forum was tantement to endorsing Simon. Bill defended Simon Parks on the grounds that he had "not been convicted by a court of law" and as such should be allowed to continue.
This forum was so pro-simon at the time, I had to leave the forum to go to another forum where victims of Simon and those with dissenting opinions were allowed to discuss Simon Parks and criticize him and his ways.
This happened on your watch Sierra, this happened on your watch Paul, and what did you guys do? You guys sat on your hands and did nothing.

Hey, calm down sweetie. I said nothing about Simon Parkes until the sexual improprieties came to light, because I didn't read the SP material. Ignored it, unless a member made a report. Busy with other issues.

I see you find it upsetting when people do not grasp certain understandings at the same time and place you grasp certain understandings.

Sorry 'bout that....

Balls are fine, which is the point I (thought I) was making re the Onawah/SP example.

[Justplain]

Jon Peniel claims that Jesus was the last incarnation of Thoth, the grand master of the Atlantean Children of the Law of One. The children of the law of one claimed to have copies of the original new testament which was largely written by Jesus, they say, whether these were the gnostic texts i dont know. Obviously Jesus was enlightened because his one commandment is in line with the teachings of the law of one. Even the 'redacted/altered' version of the new testament is replete with stories about Jesus' compassion, humility and being a true spiritual teacher.

Whether Bob Dean's claim to have known Jesus is true or not, we have to realize that old souls are called upon in times of great need to congregate with other old souls to ensure events go as needed. I would not be surprised if Bob Dean's soul manifested then. We also need to remember that our souls are quite complex and are difficult for our linear minds to comprehend. For instance, souls apparently can incarnate in more than one place at a time. Also, as stated above, at the highest level we are all connected with the Creator, a fact which makes us all brothers and sisters, as well as part of the one cosmic consciousness. Bob Dean has played his part at this time, and i, for one, am glad he did.

[greybeard]

I have to agree DNA as I was one who got shot down over Simon and had a mod visit, that was some time back at the very beginning of "Simon said",
However thats over and done with to my mind.
I think sometimes its best to bring things to others attention with an easier deliver--other wise I would just get others back up and get no where.
Given time everything comes ok
I don't have to be right--even when I am--smiling

Each to their own way though.

Chris

[Sierra]

And to make clear, yes, I do understand it is frustrating to see what others do not see. There was a thread started by a guru wanna be named Edward Alexander (Aleister Crowley's birth name), who I clearly saw as a practitioner of the dark path. I wrote a somewhat sloppy and quick analysis of why I thought so, and got the crap kicked out of me. Went back, and explained carefully, longwindedly, and politely the clues I saw. Wasn't until some ten pages later of the thread that the years of assholery spent by this dude on the Internet, including drug dealing, became apparent.

Sometimes you put it out there, and have to wait for confirmation from other sources.

[greybeard]

This basically is a conspiracy theorist forum and all in all it does an excellent job.
Im not really into conspiracy theory as such, but the forum brings much that is helpful in ordinary every day life--it makes a difference.
The truth is important, theories may be true but unproven.
The forum is as good as it gets down to Bill and the mod team.

Chris