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    The "evil empire" of the Soviet Union was destroyed, and now Putin has very high levels of support within Russia.

    Now similar tides of "throw out the evil elite war mongering bastards" are sweeping Europe and the US

    In Europe, the European Union, European Central Bank, and NATO are being increasingly discredited, with mass migration of immigrants who have no intention to assimilate, with economic sanctions imposed by the US on Russia that mostly hurt Europe, and with a pending major economic/financial/monetary/banking collapse. Those following events in Europe more closely than I am could likely add to this list.

    In the US, decades of fraud, deceit, never ending wars, boom then bust economic cycles, threats to take guns, destroying the lives of ordinary citizens (abortions, vaccines, Common Core schooling, pharmaceuticals, the world's largest imprisoned enslaved population, ...), lying media, lying politicians, Supreme Court justices sold out to corporations, ... are alienating many of the population.

    The U.S. situation is apparently being brought to a climax with the Presidential election, to be held next week, Tuesday, November 8.

    In the movie series Star Wars, Luke Skywalker was a Force-sensitive human male Jedi Master who was instrumental in defeating the Galactic Empire and the Sith during the Galactic Civil War.

    In the US election, it seems that Donald Trump is cast as Luke. He may seem like an unlikely person for that role, but Trump does have decades of experience in the public lime light, speaking boldly as his own person to large audiences, and he does have a decade of television experience, in the leading role on the series The Apprentice. Trump is a quick learner, and seems to be stepping up to this new "Presidential" role quite well (as did an earlier TV actor, Ronald Reagan, when the "evil empire" role was played by the Soviet Union, not by the U.S., as it is now.)

    There are many who have chosen to cast their lot with the Evil Empire, such as:
    • the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicate,
    • the drug traffickers,
    • the OPEC/Saudi/US petro-dollar complex,
    • the US main stream media,
    • corrupt major polling services,
    • corrupt election and voting institutions,
    • many lobbyists and corrupt politicians in Washington, and
    • large portions of the military-industrial-intelligence complex.
    These Evil Empire functionaries and parasites realize that they must not lose this US Presidential election. Donald Trump's intention to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary and the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicate is but one of many reasons that the Evil Empire knows it must go "all in" (poker term for betting everything on the current hand) on this election.

    The main stream media and major polling services have dropped almost all pretense of being fair and balanced, in their support for Hillary.

    Election turn out is being pumped up to historically high levels, with long lines for early-voting in many locations last week and expected to continue this week.

    This US election is pumped up like the biggest Superbowl (American football) contest of the decade. (I guess that the proper analogy would be with a World Cup Final contest, for the rest of the world.)

    Enthusiasm for Trump, as judged by the size and energy of the turn-out for his speeches and rallies, far exceeds enthusiasm for Hillary. Last minute "October Surprises" such as James Comey announcing that the FBI was reopening its investigation against Hillary, are turning against Hillary.

    I predict that Trump wins, perhaps narrowly in the Electoral College, but by landslide margins in the areas reasonably free of election and voting fraud.

    However, I further predict that the Election will not end with the announced results, after polls close, the evening of Tuesday, Nov 8, 2016.

    (P.S. -- Perhaps Trump loses narrowly in the Electoral College, but wins heavily in the popular vote, due to sufficient election fraud in a few critical states to "steal" them for Hillary by narrow margins. This could be enough to motivate a change that I am sure the elite bastards would love - replacing the state-by-state Electoral College system with a national popular vote system for deciding the election. Such a change would disenfranchise various corrupt local political machines that can steal individual states, and put the real power in the national media, which can manipulate the entire nation's vote. "National Election Reform" might also be accomplished here, further centralizing control of the mechanisms of voting. This could be associated with improved "ID" standards, identifying legal voters.)

    I predict that the Evil Empire, the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicate, the "liberal" (lying) main stream media, and the lobbyists, bureacrats, and politicians who have sold their soul to the dark side will make one last grand push for power and to turn, or keep, the election for Hillary.

    At the same time, the economic/financial/monetary collapse that I've been predicting for years now will finally unfold, threatening the food supply of ordinary Americans. A deadlocked federal government will be unable to pass a new budget to fund the government, when the current budget expires December 11. Foodstamps (on which a large portion of the lower class depend for food) and other government benefit payments will be suspended.

    The dastardly treachery, treason and deceit of this effort will become obvious to an increasingly large portion of the population. "White hats" within the US government will push back. They will begin indictments and convictions of key people, such as Hillary.

    [Thanks to Ken over at RedefiningGod.com, for the thoughts in the next two paragraphs, as well as various other thoughts above and below.]

    If these indictments of Hillary and such proceed quickly enough, then current President Obama and Vice President Biden may be forced out of office, putting the next in the Presidential Succession line into office, which would be House Speaker Paul Ryan. Ryan is a loyal member of the current Evil Empire, and more of a war-hawk than Obama.

    This could escalate to a major regional war against Russia in the Middle East, which would be short and brutal. The U.S. would lose, big time.

    A major drama is being built to a climax, that will involve multiple agendas and memes.

    Sometime next spring or summer of 2017, Putin and (then President) Trump will sit down at a table together, to work together on signing some major agreements. The American neocons and the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicates will join the Soviet Union in the dustbin of history. Major economic, monetary and financial reform, world-wide, will replace the current New York centered banksters who have been funding the Evil Empire, collecting (stealing) profits from the drug trade, the oil trade, and the financial instruments of mass destruction, and pumping global debt levels (individual, corporate and government) to never seen before, completely unsustainable, levels.

    A "new dawn" will rise over humanity. Unfortunately however, the new dawn will be over a humanity even more deeply and subtly controlled by world wide centralized institutions of governance, money, finance, trade, media, and information flow ... and we'll love it. We will be contented cows in our fenced-in pastures, soon loosing all memory of when our ancestors roamed the surface of this planet free.

    Americans will have a few years of rough economic times, as they readjust to being a country that can produce and export as much as they import, without having the "exceptional" benefit of issuing the world's reserve currency.

    Europeans might not complete their climax unitl a year later, with the major French and German elections in the fall of 2017, after which the EU and NATO will also be swept into the dustbin of history.

    (Beware that I have laced the above with about 50% grossly incorrect forecasts, to keep the Elite Bastards from getting too upset with me or my post. Just one little problem: I don't know which 50% is incorrect.)
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    Thank you Paul. There is one additional element to this picture: Hillary Clinton was such a dreadful presidential candidate that her real place has always been under the bus for those who really count. This means that something bigger is on the way, maybe Project Firesign, of which someone posted a video on Avalon, but others are also talking about: http://exopolitics.org/leaked-docume...nton-campaign/

    This is the extraterrestrial invasion scenario we have been talking about for some time now. If this plays out at some stage, then the current electoral context is a likely candidate. If/when it happens, people will be looking to ET/UFO-savvy websites for guidance. It is of the greatest importance at this juncture that sites like Avalon do not buy into the fraud and are able to convey the complsex message whereby yes, ET is here, and no, this is not the real deal. I would go as far as to say that for the last five years we have been training for this moment.


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    Yes, Hillary and Trump have been cartoon candidates from the get go. There is much more to this 'election' season than meets the eye, I'm sure.

    Was "Operation Jade Helm" every actually declared over and done?
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    Paul, i think you are right that trump, and bernie sanders, represent a turn in the tide of american public opinion against corruption. This is also signalled elsewhere in brexit, recent icelandic elections and Virginia Raggi, the recently elected mayor of Rome, who won on an anti-corruption mandate:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Raggi

    The problem is that i dont see that trump gets elected, cuz even tho he's put up a good fight, clinton is still in the lead and tptb prefer her, and they will find a way to get her elected. For instance, a george soros company is providing ballot counting machines to 16 states:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...oting-machines

    With Clinton elected, expect the proxy war with russia to escalate and possibly expand to iran and north korea. This will also lead to further decline in american civil liberties and world peace. A killary presidency could make jr. bush's term look like a love in.

    Its a sad day when clinton gets elected, but it almost seems inevitable.

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    EXCLUSIVE: FBI Mutiny Reopened Clinton Investigation

    https://youtu.be/rp5UrI3z1j0
    Published on Oct 29, 2016
    Upcoming leaks pertaining to Hillary Clinton have forced the hand of the FBI into re-opening their investigation into the crooked candidate.

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    Is difficult to know where to post info about Hillary and what's happening in USA elections as there are so many threads going.

    I'll post this here and on another. Reason for posting on this thread as Corbett's interview with Michel Chossudovsky of GlobalResearch.ca suggests looking at who's behind Comey's decision. Several scenarios are suggested one of which is Mr. Global no longer sees Hillary as viable candidate.

    My thoughts: if that is the case, what might they have to prepare for to keep peace here?

    https://www.corbettreport.com/interv...-chossudovsky/
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    (P.S. -- Perhaps Trump loses narrowly in the Electoral College, but wins heavily in the popular vote, due to sufficient election fraud in a few critical states to "steal" them for Hillary by narrow margins. This could be enough to motivate a change that I am sure the elite bastards would love - replacing the state-by-state Electoral College system with a national popular vote system for deciding the election. Such a change would disenfranchise various corrupt local political machines that can steal individual states, and put the real power in the national media, which can manipulate the entire nation's vote. "National Election Reform" might also be accomplished here, further centralizing control of the mechanisms of voting. This could be associated with improved "ID" standards, identifying legal voters.)
    In further support of the possibility that this US Presidential election leads to Electoral College "reform", notice that such "reform" requires a change to the US Constitution, where the Electoral College is mandated. It is usually the "defenders of the US Constition" who would most likely resist changing the Constitution to something that depends directly on the popular vote. So to get any such change through, it would be best to motivate the change with a highly controversial election in which it was the Electoral College that hurt conservatives (aka Republicans, aka Constitutionalists) the most.

    This would be the opposite of the famous Bush-Gore election in 2000, when it was Democrat Al Gore who won the popular vote over Republican George W. Bush, but Bush who won the Electoral College (after a controversy over a very close vote in Florida that was settled by the Supreme Court). So in the 2000 election, it would have been the Republican (conservative, constitutionalist, ...) voters who were favored by the current Electoral College system, and hence by both their political leanings (pro-constitutionalist) and the immediate results of that election, highly unlikely to support an ammendment to change the Electoral College provisions in the US Constitution.

    This time could turn out having the popular vote favor the Republican (conservative, constitutionalist, ...) voters for Trump, with Clinton trying to use the Electoral College to get the office of Presidency. Such an outcome would significantly soften the resistance of normally Constitution supporting citizens to a Constitutional ammendment removing the Electoral College. The greater the imbalance of the popular vote towards Trump, the easier it would be to sell this. Also the more outrageous and fraudulent the attempted abuse of the Electoral College by a desperate Clinton campaign, the easier it would be to sell this.

    By "popular vote", I mean simply the total number of votes, across the entire United States, cast for each candidate.

    The "Electoral College" on the other hand decides things on a state by state basis. Each state gets some number of "electors", and it is these electors that the cititzens are voting for in the general Presidential election. Those electors in turn meet and decide who they will submit to Congress as being the winner of the election. The Electoral College favors the smaller (lower population) states over the larger states, because each state gets two electors automatically, plus some additional number, in proportion to their population. Low population "fly-over" states like Wyoming and North Dakota would make almost no difference whatsoever in a "popular vote" based system, as they have fewer people each than even a medium sized city in a larger state.

    Weaking the influence of "fly-over" rural America has long been an objective of the elite bastards ... those people are less easy to herd, and more willing to defend their freedom, than people in urban areas. And the land that those rural people live on often has important mineral resources or rights of way for gas and oil pipelines, that the elite would like to gain full control over.

    So ... I am predicting (1) a great imbalance in the popular vote, favoring Trump, (2) outrageous and fraudulent abuse of the Electoral College by Clinton, and (3) a likely successful effort to use these events to amend the US Constitution to remove the Electoral College.

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    THIS MAY not be popular amongst those that follow, but personally I think the system is completely faulty... We all, in merica get ingulfed in the election but really, its faction against faction vying for dominance, non of the common folk really have a say... The system of civilization as a whole is phuked. We do not stand together and want to argue about law and constitution as such when in reality Nazi America since world war duece has not changed leadership. You want to change something, ban together with normal dumb humans ( yes i said it) ex: watch Joe Rogan live from 2005 what he says about dumb people: and say no more.... its not gonna happen, because we are dumb and can't agree on anything. I love talking politics and getting into this ****, but at the end of the day it don't matter, there is a fascist oligarchic machine working, and until we stand together as humans not parties and ideologies and say no more it is going to continue.

    SIDE RANT: People talk about how oil and climate change is a huge factor, but what are those people doing to gather the dumb together and say no more... We must realize that resources of the current paradigm must be utilized to get us to free energy and renewable energy quicker but where is that happening in mass and in unison? I know it is happening but it gets no play on media, instead we are concerned with D versus R....or however you wanna play it, what ever label you wanna use... We have to find common ground and quit philosiphying over minutia....END OF RANT.

    I am against both candidates in this election and if you are not, I hope you wake up soon and decide to say NO to the lesser of two evils and any evil at all... peace https://www.facebook.com/AwarenessAc...0015674012966/ watch this video from 2000 if someone can pull it off youtube please do.... I endorse and vote for no one.
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    Paul,

    What you are addressing goes to the issue of social planning, which is done on many levels. E.g, monetary and fiscal/taxation policy. I read you to suggest a huge social plan that would reshape the fabric of our republic and constitutional system, not by amending the Constitution per se, but by an amendment to the Constitution that would centralize, even further, all power and control into the hands of the few. That few being the central banksters, et al. There would be a mere appearance of a national election if your prediction were to materialize. You could be right, but...Time will tell.
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    Quote Posted by thunder24 (here)
    THIS MAY not be popular amongst those that follow, but personally I think the system is completely faulty... We all, in merica get ingulfed in the election but really, its faction against faction vying for dominance, non of the common folk really have a say... The system of civilization as a whole is phuked. We do not stand together and want to argue about law and constitution as such when in reality Nazi America since world war duece has not changed leadership. You want to change something, ban together with normal dumb humans ( yes i said it) ex: watch Joe Rogan live from 2005 what he says about dumb people: and say no more.... its not gonna happen, because we are dumb and can't agree on anything. I love talking politics and getting into this ****, but at the end of the day it don't matter, there is a fascist oligarchic machine working, and until we stand together as humans not parties and ideologies and say no more it is going to continue.

    SIDE RANT: People talk about how oil and climate change is a huge factor, but what are those people doing to gather the dumb together and say no more... We must realize that resources of the current paradigm must be utilized to get us to free energy and renewable energy quicker but where is that happening in mass and in unison? I know it is happening but it gets no play on media, instead we are concerned with D versus R....or however you wanna play it, what ever label you wanna use... We have to find common ground and quit philosiphying over minutia....END OF RANT.

    I am against both candidates in this election and if you are not, I hope you wake up soon and decide to say NO to the lesser of two evils and any evil at all... peace https://www.facebook.com/AwarenessAc...0015674012966/ watch this video from 2000 if someone can pull it off youtube please do.... I endorse and vote for no one.
    damn I just read the first post paul...wow brother, Im sorry you are so engulfed in all this.... I didn't right my post to offend you or anything like that...but brother i think you need to open you mind up a little more to the system at play...its an opinion but still Ill own it....WOW

    Quote I predict that the Evil Empire, the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicate, the "liberal" (lying) main stream media, and the lobbyists, bureacrats, and politicians who have sold their soul to the dark side will make one last grand push for power and to turn, or keep, the election for Hillary.

    At the same time, the economic/financial/monetary collapse that I've been predicting for years now will finally unfold, threatening the food supply of ordinary Americans. A deadlocked federal government will be unable to pass a new budget to fund the government, when the current budget expires December 11. Foodstamps (on which a large portion of the lower class depend for food) and other government benefit payments will be suspended.
    i agree
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    I am just now listening to a video posted over here by Akasha, of Freeman interviewing Josh Reeves.

    Freeman has come to many of the same conclusions as I have above.

    Starting at 49:00, Freeman says:
    Quote We have this whole fiasco that's going on with Hillary and her lies, and even Trump saying that "If I were in power, you'd be in jail." This election looks like, to me, if I were going to be a psychological warfare analyst, I would say that Trump is going to win the public vote, that he is going to be a landslide, but will happen is that Hillary will win and that all of this is just going to culminate in a massive disconnect in the American public and an astounding fiasco that probably ends with World War III.
    Here's this Freeman interview, if you want to listen to more of it:


    My prediction (low confidence) is that it won't be a full scale, global, World War III, because, as I've said before, the elite bastards want to own this planet, not vaporize it. Rather I expect it will be short, brutal and mostly regional war, concentrated in the Middle East, and that it might likely happen during some brief period when Paul Ryan (currently Speaker of the House, and in line of succession to the office of the President behind the Vice President) is the President, after Obama and (current Vice President) Joe Biden have been unseated, as part of a breaking scandal involving the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate, prior to Trump becoming the President for the next four year term.

    In short - fasten your seatbelts - the radar shows potential turbulence ahead.

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    damn I just read the first post paul...wow brother, Im sorry you are so engulfed in all this.... I didn't right my post to offend you or anything like that...but brother i think you need to open you mind up a little more to the system at play...its an opinion but still Ill own it....WOW
    I wrote mostly not as a participant in this American political theatre, but as an observer, analyzing how the elite are using this theatre (and various other memes and mechanisms and methods) to "manage" humanity. I have in the past been an active participant -- on the feminist liberal Democrat side in my 30's, and on the conservative Republican side in my 50's, and I have followed US politics for half a century now.

    Studying the methods used by those who would imprison or mass manipulate you and your fellow humans doesn't mean you endorse any of those methods. Awareness is an essential step to freedom.

    If you listen to more of the Freeman interview I posted just above, you will hear evidence that Trump is as deeply entwined with the spellcasters who are producing this theatre as the Clintons.
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    Certainly the meme of election fraud in this 2016 US Presidential race is being heavily hyped, from Trump himself, Alex Jones, and various other "alt-media" sources.

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    Quote If you listen to more of the Freeman interview I posted just above, you will hear evidence that Trump is as deeply entwined with the spellcasters who are producing this theatre as the Clintons.

    Interesting interview.

    Speaking of spellcasters, i was wondering if there was an illuminati game card that featured anything that might resemble Trump. Sure enough...





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    Certainly the meme of election fraud in this 2016 US Presidential race is being heavily hyped, from Trump himself, Alex Jones, and various other "alt-media" sources.
    I don't understand what you are replying to with this Paul. Please fill me in on where you get this perspective from. Meme or not, Bev Harris has the evidence that electronic election fraud has been real since at least 2006.

    see here:


    What intrigues me the most is that if they can fix any election ( which they obviously can ), why even bother having such a pantomime as this, unless it's a data gathering exercise.
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    I don't understand what you are replying to with this Paul. Please fill me in on where you get this perspective from. Meme or not, Bev Harris has the evidence that electronic election fraud has been real since at least 2006.
    I wasn't replying to anyone, but adding a brief note, in support of my opening thesis. A Google search for "election fraud in this 2016 US Presidential race" will bring up many mentions of this, for those who hadn't noticed.

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    What intrigues me the most is that if they can fix any election ( which they obviously can ), why even bother having such a pantomime as this, unless it's a data gathering exercise.
    The point of my noticing this was not to observe that they can steal elections. As you observe that's long been a capability of the powerful.

    My point was to observe that it's a major meme leading up to this election. Various alt-media sources, and Trump himself, are reminding us of this ... raising our fear level that the election might be stolen.

    There's the real dangers, whatever they are.

    And then there's the dangers that "they" remind us of, raise our fear of.

    There is often a poor correlation between the real dangers and the hyped dangers

    One can start to see what sorts of games they are playing with our heads, by noticing what they apparently want us to be afraid of, the dangers they hype.

    Raising a fear level on some danger, then making that danger happen, in a major way, can manipulate the public into accepting the "remedy", such as "election reform" (federal control of election counting and replacing the Electoral College with a national popular vote based system, being possible remedies in this case.)

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    I don't understand what you are replying to with this Paul. Please fill me in on where you get this perspective from. Meme or not, Bev Harris has the evidence that electronic election fraud has been real since at least 2006.
    I wasn't replying to anyone, but adding a brief note, in support of my opening thesis. A Google search for "election fraud in this 2016 US Presidential race" will bring up many mentions of this, for those who hadn't noticed.

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    What intrigues me the most is that if they can fix any election ( which they obviously can ), why even bother having such a pantomime as this, unless it's a data gathering exercise.
    The point of my noticing this was not to observe that they can steal elections. As you observe that's long been a capability of the powerful.

    My point was to observe that it's a major meme leading up to this election. Various alt-media sources, and Trump himself, are reminding us of this ... raising our fear level that the election might be stolen.

    There's the real dangers, whatever they are.

    And then there's the dangers that "they" remind us of, raise our fear of.

    There is often a poor correlation between the real dangers and the hyped dangers

    One can start to see what sorts of games they are playing with our heads, by noticing what they apparently want us to be afraid of, the dangers they hype.

    Raising a fear level on some danger, then making that danger happen, in a major way, can manipulate the public into accepting the "remedy", such as "election reform" (federal control of election counting and replacing the Electoral College with a national popular vote based system, being possible remedies in this case.)
    are you against the whole system collapsing ? if so is it because of the loss of human life and continuity of what is?

    are you for the whole system collapsing? if so why? genuine questions...thankyou
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    are you against the whole system collapsing ? if so is it because of the loss of human life and continuity of what is?

    are you for the whole system collapsing? if so why? genuine questions...thankyou
    This is getting off topic ... for reasons I will explain.

    I take positions on things I can understand and influence, but that's not of much interest here.

    I have about as much influence over whether "the whole system collapses" as a passenger on the Titanic had over whether that ship sank. Perhaps, if one of the passengers has been a James Bond type, with detailed knowledge of what was planned and how, then that passenger could have changed history. But for most of us, most of the time, when dealing with larger affairs, the limit on our effectiveness is our understanding and awareness, not which "side" we take on some nebulously large issue.

    The elite bastards are herding us, like live stock. The above posts of mine on this thread analyze one example of that herding ... herding of the American people using events surrounding the US Presidential election.

    By analyzing where and how they are herding us, we can better understand what's going on, better adapt and change things to our benefit, and better resist some of the mass manipulation.

    What matters in such cases are not your nor my individual choices, so much as what are the many choices, made by many people, from a position of improved understanding and awareness.
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    This is getting off topic ... for reasons I will explain.

    I take positions on things I can understand and influence, but that's not of much interest here......

    I have about as much influence over whether "the whole system collapses" as a passenger on the Titanic had over whether that ship sank. ......

    Be analyzing where and how they are herding us, we can better understand what's going on, better adapt and change things to our benefit, and better resist some of the mass manipulation.

    What matters in such cases are not your nor my individual choices, so much as what are the many choices, made by many people, from a position of improved understanding and awareness.
    I disagree, i think you have large influence per your position as an admin on this forum, whether you agree or not... look at how many people are on here now... its a spider web of influence...

    Many people, many choices... i agree... but until WE stand together and say NO MORE... gathered as individuals with the choice, then this will continue... a small ripple or sneeze can become a tidal wave, and until those that disagree come together for a united purpose this tidal wave won't happen... the empire is being destroyed...is this the place to come up with solutions or a different thread?
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    I disagree, i think you have large influence per your position as an admin on this forum, whether you agree or not... look at how many people are on here now... its a spider web of influence...

    Many people, many choices... i agree... but until WE stand together and say NO MORE... gathered as individuals with the choice, then this will continue... a small ripple or sneeze can become a tidal wave, and until those that disagree come together for a united purpose this tidal wave won't happen... the empire is being destroyed...is this the place to come up with solutions or a different thread?
    Yes - I have influence here - at least on matters where I have a track record of providing value.

    And I am choosing here to use my influence to help others understand how we (humanity) are being played with, in this particular example of the US Presidential election.

    I would suggest that some other thread (feel free to link from here, for those with an interest) would be a better place to investigate solutions.

    I find investigating solutions is like being a hungry cat. The "solution" might be to eat, but if one's a barn cat that lives off what one can catch, one first has to wait for a mouse to scurry within reach. Only the house cat gets food on demand <grin>. Solutions are like that, and we're like barn cats. We must explore; our curiosity will find new possibilities; then outside our conscious control, mice will (we hope) appear.

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