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    Default DNA results: the Elongated Paracas Skulls

    Where getting close people! Real evidence but makes me wonder why the government is quiet they must know already especially the Vatican and other Countries. Wouldn't it be amazing if the DNA from Bigfoot is a match with the elongated Paracas skulls? Marzulli shares that the sequencing of the skulls from a collection points to a Middleastern origin coming from a region of Syria and Mesopotamia leading all the way to Peru.



    The elongated skulls of Paracas in Peru caused a stir in 2014 when a geneticist that carried out preliminary DNA testing reported that they have mitochondrial DNA “with mutations unknown in any human, primate, or animal known so far”. Now a second round of DNA testing has been completed and the results are just as controversial – the skulls tested, which date back as far as 2,000 years, were shown to have European and Middle Eastern Origin. These surprising results change the known history about how the Americas were populated. In this interview L.A. Marzulli explains how the tests were carried out and shares his theory about what the results really mean.
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    Default Re: DNA results: the Elongated Paracas Skulls

    I have a poster with Paracas handknitted tissue that I payed attention to while dusting yesterday. I haven't noticed it in a very long time and now this! Had no idea they had elongated skulls!

    Ok, 20 minutes later they mention Paracas artifacts on Swedish radio...SYNCHRONICITY at it's best.
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    Default Re: DNA results: the Elongated Paracas Skulls

    now delve into anthopologist's Lloyd Pye's "Starchild Skull" for another alternative-

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    Brien Foerster: Mystery of the Elongated Skulls & DNA Tests FULL LECTURE - Origins Conference



    Published on 16 Jan 2016


    Get tickets for the Origins Conference, London on November 12th 2016 here:
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    Filmed at the Origins Conference, London 2014 live via skype from Peru.
    Cranial deformation was a world wide phenomenon amongst diverse people
    from as recently as the 20th century to as far back as 4000 BC and earlier.
    What these cultures had in common was the belief that by deforming a noble
    child's skull, they would be more intelligent and attractive that commoners.
    Also, it was believed this skull shape was what the Ancestors looked like.
    Some of the skulls, however, especially those of the coastal area of Paracas
    Peru which are at least 2000 years old, suggest something more. Many appear
    to be naturally elongated, as if they were born that way; having cranium volume
    as much as 25 percent larger than ours, as well as many physically characteristics
    not known in Homo sapiens humans.Could a race of people have lived in the distant
    past that were incredibly intelligent, and were in fact the Megalithic builders of
    South America? Brien shared results from DNA testing that has caused much
    controversy.

    After completing an Honours Bachelor Of Science degree, Brien took up traditional
    wood carving and sculpture at the age of 25. In 1995 he moved to Maui, Hawaii, a
    nd was hired as assistant project manager for the building of the 62 foot double
    hull sailing canoe (ancestor of the modern day catamaran) Mo'okiha O Pi'ilani (Sacred
    Lizard That Pierces The Heavens.) Peru became his next major area of interest, where
    he has been researching the elongated skull phenomenon and the pre-Inca megalithic
    sites for a decade. Brien is a regular on History Channel's Ancient Aliens and leads
    annual tours to South America with Megalithomania. Brien has been made the cultural
    ambassador for the municipality of Paracas, with a mandate to expand the global
    awareness of the 10,000 years of human habitation of the area. He has written several
    books on ancient Peru and the Pacific & co-authored with David H Childress.
    http://www.brienfoerster.com
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    New DNA Testing on 2,000-Year-Old Elongated Paracas Skulls Changes Known History


    By April Holloway 23 July, 2016 - 18:48


    A Paracas elongated skull and an artist’s impression based on a digital reconstruction. Credit: Marcia Moore / Ciamar Studio

    The elongated skulls of Paracas in Peru caused a stir in 2014 when a geneticist that carried out preliminary DNA testing reported that they have mitochondrial DNA “with mutations unknown in any human, primate, or animal known so far”. Now a second round of DNA testing has been completed and the results are just as controversial – the skulls tested, which date back as far as 2,000 years, were shown to have European and Middle Eastern Origin. These surprising results change the known history about how the Americas were populated.

    Paracas is a desert peninsula located within Pisco Province on the south coast of Peru. It is here where Peruvian archaeologist, Julio Tello, made an amazing discovery in 1928 – a massive and elaborate graveyard containing tombs filled with the remains of individuals with the largest elongated skulls found anywhere in the world. These have come to be known as the ‘Paracas skulls’. In total, Tello found more than 300 of these elongated skulls, some of which date back around 3,000 years.

    Elongated skulls on display at Museo Regional de Ica in the city of Ica in Peru (public domain)

    Strange Features of the Paracas Skulls

    It is well-known that most cases of skull elongation are the result of cranial deformation, head flattening, or head binding, in which the skull is intentionally deformed by applying force over a long period of time. It is usually achieved by binding the head between two pieces of wood, or binding in cloth. However, while cranial deformation changes the shape of the skull, it does not alter other features that are characteristic of a regular human skull.

    In a recent interview with Ancient Origins, author and researcher LA Marzulli describes how some of the Paracas skulls are different to ordinary human skulls:
    “There is a possibility that it might have been cradle headboarded, but the reason why I don’t think so is because the position of the foramen magnum is back towards the rear of the skull. A normal foramen magnum would be closer to the jaw line…”

    LA Marzulli points to the position of the foramen magnum in a Paracas skull which is also the point at which they drilled in order to extract bone powder for DNA testing.

    Marzulli explained that an archaeologist has written a paper about his study of the position of the foramen magnum in over 1000 skulls. “He states that the Paracas skulls, the position of the foramen magnum is completely different than a normal human being, it is also smaller, which lends itself to our theory that this is not cradle headboarding, this is genetic.”

    In addition, Marzulli described how some of the Paracas skulls have a very pronounced zygomatic arch (cheek bone), different eye sockets and no sagittal suture, which is a connective tissue joint between the two parietal bones of the skull.

    The pronounced cheek bones can be seen in artist Marcia Moore’s interpretation of how the Paracas people looked based on a digital reconstruction from the skulls. Marcia Moore / Ciamar Studio
    In a normal human skull, there should be a suture which goes from the frontal plate … clear over the dome of the skull separating the parietal plates - the two separate plates – and connecting with the occipital plate in the rear,” said Marzulli. “We see many skulls in Paracas that are completely devoid of a sagittal suture.
    There is a disease known as craniosynostosis, which results in the fusing together of the two parietal plates, however, Marzulli said there is no evidence of this disease in the Paracas skulls.

    The sagittal suture, highlighted in red, separates the two parietal plates (public domain)

    LA Marzulli shows the top of one of the Paracas skulls, which has no sagittal suture.

    DNA Testing

    The late Sr. Juan Navarro, owner and director of the Museo Arqueologico Paracas, which houses a collection of 35 of the Paracas skulls, allowed the taking of samples from three of the elongated skulls for DNA testing, including one infant. Another sample was obtained from a Peruvian skull that had been in the US for 75 years. One of the skulls was dated to around 2,000 years old, while another was 800 years old.
    The samples consisted of hair and bone powder, which was extracted by drilling deeply into the foramen magnum. This process, Marzulli explained, is to reduce the risk of contamination. In addition, full protective clothing was worn.

    The samples were then sent to three separate labs for testing – one in Canada, and two in the United States. The geneticists were only told that the samples came from an ancient mummy, so as not to create any preconceived ideas.

    LA Marzulli holding up a replica of one of the Paracas skulls that was tested

    Surprising Results

    From the samples, only the mitochondrial DNA (DNA from the mother’s side) could be extracted. Out of four hair samples, one of them couldn’t be sequences. The remaining three hair samples all showed a Haplogroup (genetic population group) of H2A, which is found most frequently in Eastern Europe, and at a low frequency in Western Europe. The bone powder from the most elongated skull tested came back as T2B, which originates in Mesopotamia and what is now Syria, essentially the heart of the fertile crescent. “It rewrites history as we know it,” said Marzulli.

    “If these results hold,” writes Brien Foerster on his website Hidden Inca Tours, “the history of the migration of people to the Americas is far more complex than we have been told previously.”

    If these results are confirmed through further tests, it means that peoples from Europe and the Middle East migrated to the Americas long before it is conventionally believed.

    Marzulli said that mainstream academics will probably attack these results by pointing to the fact that he is not a scientist, but he urges any skeptic to replicate the study. “Attack the evidence folks. Go down and get your own samples, pay for a DNA lab and then come back to me with your science… do some science like we’ve done,” he said. The full lab reports of the DNA tests are available in LA Marzulli’s book Nephilim Hybrids.

    The results are also consistent with the fact that many of the Paracas skulls still contain traces of red hair, a color that is not natively found in South America, but originates in the Middle East and Europe.

    “No academics as far as we can tell can explain why some of the skulls that still have hair are red or even blonde,” writes Brien Foerster, “the idea that this is from time or bleaching has NOW been disproven by 2 hair experts. For the ancient Paracas people, at least, they had blonde to reddish hair that is 30% thinner than NATIVE American hair. It is GENETIC!”

    A Paracas skull with its red hair. Credit: Brien Foerster

    Extra-terrestrial Hypothesis

    Due to the unusual shape and features of the Paracas skulls, there has long been speculation that they are extra-terrestrial in origin, and many have hoped that DNA testing would prove that to be the case.

    “As regards an “alien” component or ancestry to the skulls, we may never know,” writes Brien Foerster. “The DNA testing programs can only compare sample DNA with those that are known, and those are held in a huge database called Gentech in the US. Further testing with cooperation from Peruvian archaeologists and the Ministry of Culture are now ongoing.”

    Nevertheless, LA Marzulli explained that the DNA results fit perfectly with the hypothesis he has held since before any testing was undertaken. That is that the Paracas people are the Nephilim. The Nephilim, according to ancient Biblical texts, are the offspring of the Fallen Angels and the women of earth, resulting in a hybrid entity, and they said to be based in the area of the Levant, the same place that the Paracas DNA traces to.

    Whether or not this hypothesis is correct, the results of the DNA tests are dramatic and history changing and further testing may help to unravel the complex history of the Paracas people.

    Next Steps
    LA Marzulli and colleagues have plans for further testing and are currently working with Peruvian and American archaeologists. They have verbal permission from the head archaeologist of a Peruvian Museum to take more samples. These will then be presented to the Ministry of Culture for final consent before the samples are taking to US labs for testing. This process is expected to take at least a couple of years to complete.
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    Default Re: DNA results: the Elongated Paracas Skulls

    Funny this thread popped up again I was watching LA Marzulli on Freeman
    and I just found it.....



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    Default Re: DNA results: the Elongated Paracas Skulls

    ..love that you guys brought the topic back... intriguing to think what happened to them, are they still around?

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    Default Re: DNA results: the Elongated Paracas Skulls

    Quote Posted by mojo (here)

    ... intriguing to think what happened to them, are they still around?
    Naah! we just wear these old Catholic head adornments for the hell of it nowadays..................

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    Default Re: DNA results: the Elongated Paracas Skulls

    As a comparison, here's a fairly thorough study on genetics of the Urumqi mummies:

    http://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/ar...015-0237-5#B23

    I noticed that they rejected multiple samples for *possible* contamination, and hardly any of the haplogroups are delineated to the third level. If the South American finds are as represented, it would certainly benefit from analysis on that level. Even the Denisovan Wiki page tells me that a 400,000 year old leg from Spain is more Denisovan than Neanderthal, and there weren't "supposed" to be Europeans in China 4,000 years ago. Standard definitions will change when given something solid enough to go on.

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    Default Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    Exciting new research... WE can only imagine what might be done with a complete DNA profile from hybrid or non-human bipeds?

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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    I just took a quick look, however didn't see the post I thought you had made about the possibility of alien DNA being discovered through ancestry.

    Based upon the very few things I know I find it impossible to believe some sort of alien DNA hasn't already been discovered let alone hybrid DNA. Not the type of thing that makes it to the front page of MSM.

    It's coming Mojo and I can't wait!

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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    I have been waiting patiently for this for YEARS!!!

    As it relates to DNA testing the "human genome" itself has been pretty much tested to very high degree of accuracy.
    That accuracy is predicated upon a few things

    1. What is tested
    2. What is actually IN the system.

    It branches off to include Neanderthal, some Denisovian an other Hominids and some "unusual" offshoots such as Homo Florensis ( Hobbits)

    A few points to consider.
    As robust as DNA testing is it really is in its' infancy as a science
    Things that do not meet current scientific dogma are SPECIFICALLY NOT included in commonly accessible databases ( Melba Ketchum's work with Sasquatch comes to mind)

    We could or even may very likely share something in common with the highly odd Paracas people or very very little. Folklore and oral histories suggest we could reproduce together although it was very much frowned upon by the Paracas elites.

    Recalling Elongated skulls were an ELITE indicative of the ruling class. They looked VERY different from the local peoples. Although it is reported they had poor reproductive capabilities as time progressed and the world changed.

    Depending on what they are testing and from what era a lot of interesting things may come to light. I expect they have some "excursively" Middle Eastern and Celtic DNA.

    Now lets go sequence a giant!!!!!! If we can find one......
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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    I wouldn't be surprised to find that "Alien" dna is so embedded into homo sapiens and from so long ago that we cant distinguish it as being of "alien" input.

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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    this kind of stuff fascinates me to no end- before I started studying music I was toying with the idea of studying (ancient) history as I wanted to become an archeologist (if you can believe THAT one!) :-)))

    most people probably still believe the ancient busts of Nofertiti with her elongated skull head dresses were depictions of head 'fashion' at the time and not a practical hat for her elongated skull- obviously 'girlfriend' had a hellova lot of other-worldly DNA (and I'm sure all of us have at least a smattering of it)-

    a former Swiss co-worker of mine has, certainly for our time, a rather extended skull in the style of Nofertiti-

    stay well all-

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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    Hi Larry it is exciting times... Maybe the Smithsonian has the DNA profile from the giant skeletons already? They should open up about their collection. Could there be similar DNA to the giant, elongated skull types and human? Or perhaps the elongated and giant have similar traits shared? DNA can unlock the questions but also a double edged sword because we know that there 50% integration with human/other chimera experiments actually happening and maybe their goal is to bring these separate species back?

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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    @mojo

    "Maybe the Smithsonian has the DNA profile from the giant skeletons already?" we can be sure of it- but the Smithsonian will never be "talkative," sadly...

    unless a miracle happens...

    Larry

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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    @mojo

    we all know the Smithsonian is sitting on very valuable history let alone the s''t Vatican; both institutions have 'restricted access' areas; WHY?- what do they have to hide?- obviously a rhetorical question: the true origins of our species/history; what else could it possibly be?

    be well!

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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    If one looks at the underground towns that smatter across Anatolia and the Levant, and one looks at the geological aging of these artifacts, one can conclude that these settlements are millions of years old. There are sled tracks in the stone, in the same region, that bear a similar age. There are 80ft stone walls in the Urals, where hills have had their tops cut off, that bear a similar age, too. These Paracus bones appear to be descendents from this ancient ancestry, not surprisingly. Those ancients had high tech and could cross oceans, obviously. This research hopefully will help to blow the lid off the current human origins myth that quackademics spout.

    Megalithic structures point to civilizations dating back over possibly millions of years:

    http://earthbeforeflood.com/who_and_...c_complex.html

    Giant megaliths of the Ural Mountains:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAFX_5fAEbc

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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    Quote the Smithsonian is sitting on very valuable history let alone the s''t Vatican; both institutions have 'restricted access' areas; WHY?
    Right on... In the thread discussion we didnt really tie in the Vatican yet but there is rumor their vaults hold unique skulls and whom know what else??? For a religion do be doing experiments on Mt Graham with LUCIFER scope and UFOs appearing over their powerful laser pointing up on MT Graham they are doing more than being a religious sect with interests in archaeology & astronomy and of course hiding the truth from the World.

    I was just thinking of the Atacama humanoid that Dr Greer tried to collect DNA to show it was an alien body. Strange how Greer overlooked the evidence of these elongated skulls?

    PS: ...going to make an hypothesis that the Bigfoot is related by DNA to these other bipedal cryptids, either the giant genome or traits from the elongated skulls. Hopefully some new evidence of bigfoot hair samples or other sample will fill in the blanks.
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    Default Re: Brien Foerster: DNA results NOW IN from elongated skulls

    @mojo

    I just think we all need to look very carefully into the research of anthropologist Lloyd Pye ("The Starchild Skull") let alone the independent research of geneticist Dr. Melba Ketchum's research into BigFoot/Sasquatch (let alone the Yetis among others)- both researchers' info dove-tails in many respects-

    please stay well mojo and all readers-

    Larry

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