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    Default What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    Simple question:

    Is Trump coming in your opinion from inside or outside of establishment?
    I myself am hopeful, but also hesitant as perhaps he is just another level of deception - at this point, don't know.

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    Orange is the new black. Now where have I heard that before. Must be a warning like those geiger stones. Just a thought.

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    My posts #34 and #35, buried over on one of the other election threads, comments on this.

    I put Trump outside, and opposed to, the Bush/Clinton/Neocon crime syndicate, but inside and working well with the new face of the deep establishment, which will be a multi-polar world, both politically and economically.

    Trump has been hired to play a lead role for which he's well suited, to guide America through a bankruptcy and into its new role as one of several cooperating major national powers within a new world order.

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    Paul - would you think Trump a "face-saving" option to steer the boat into a more humans direction while maintaining power?

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    Well, Newt Gingrich put it this way:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-NA73FsW8
    (25 seconds)

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    Quote Posted by rezboom (here)
    Well, Newt Gingrich put it this way:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-NA73FsW8
    (25 seconds)
    That is very encouraging - however I actually thought that Obama was "outside" and would do good things - now I am a bit more cynical to go beyond hopeful.

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    This is going to be like one of those "Who do you think will win the election?" polls. Most people are going to be in for a surprise. Trump has been consistent in his message since the 1980's and he is known hold personal grudges.

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    I suspect after a person becomes President he is told--"Our way or no way"
    Many a brave person will give in if their family is threatened with the consequences of your failure to comply.

    Most can stand up to threats to their self but threats to family something else.

    Anyway thats just an opinion--it may well be the best thing to happen in a long time.

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    He is definetly an insider, if not he would have not be running for president. Now, he is a good sign that we are in a positive timeline, as Hillary would have been worst option, so far Russia wants to start talking, no more WWIII talking, to me Trump and Puttin are minions for elite´s plan B, a softer plan that will reléase free energy and improve people lives but still keep elite on power. Not enough for me. Source has a great sense of humor and we are seeing it unfold. Fun times, we are witnessing the collapse of economy, religión and goverments!!
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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    I heard similar questions regarding the new pope.. I really do not know what would qualify Trump as an establishment outsider?
    The mere fact that he became US president does not speak in favor of it. He may only be a puppet (which I doubt) or an insider.
    Besides, the very Establishment has allowed him to gain enormously wealthy over the years and to become the first man of the United States.
    Come on, let's not be naive, at least not here..

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    David Icke has a good take on the election.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR-tvxrDxA

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    My posts #34 and #35, buried over on one of the other election threads, comments on this.

    I put Trump outside, and opposed to, the Bush/Clinton/Neocon crime syndicate, but inside and working well with the new face of the deep establishment, which will be a multi-polar world, both politically and economically.

    Trump has been hired to play a lead role for which he's well suited, to guide America through a bankruptcy and into its new role as one of several cooperating major national powers within a new world order.
    That is my view as well. I don't see the rulers of this planet united. There are different factions. You can't do what Trump did without help from the deep state. I also don't believe everyone in the deep state are psychopathic maniacs that view the common people merely as sheep. I would like to believe the ones he is working with have humanities best interest at heart. Time will tell.
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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    Quote Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
    Quote Posted by rezboom (here)
    Well, Newt Gingrich put it this way:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-NA73FsW8
    (25 seconds)
    That is very encouraging - however I actually thought that Obama was "outside" and would do good things - now I am a bit more cynical to go beyond hopeful.

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    One thing that should have acted as a big warning sign is that fact that Obama collected huge amounts of money from the establishment when he first ran for president.

    Trump has not.

    In my opinion, the Globalists have found themselves outmaneuvered by the still existing democratic system.
    They'll have to put up with him for as long as he will go.
    No biggie for them imo.
    They'll just adept, infiltrate, undermine and clip him as good as possible, which will perhaps not proof difficult, since many of the people that he will be forced to work with are in their pockets.
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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    Quote Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
    Simple question:

    Is Trump coming in your opinion from inside or outside of establishment?
    I myself am hopeful, but also hesitant as perhaps he is just another level of deception - at this point, don't know.

    UT
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    There was a time, years ago, when my father was still alive, I had just come back from my first trip to India & I spent a bit of time with my father & he asked me a very similar question.

    You see, I was a bit rebellious as a younger teenager... and my father was quite the authoritarian type disciplinarian... and to say, at the very least, we didn't get along very well, he was quite critical of not only me, but to the others in my family...

    Anyway, after spending time with him... and before leaving, he asked me this very question:
    Son, when are you going to join the 'Establishment'?
    I paused for a moment, and looked him straight in the eye & said: Dad, you don't understand... I am the Establishment... my generation is the new Establishment.... you're just going to have to get use to it!

    So, to answer the question you propose:
    Yes, Donald Trump is the 'new' Establishment!
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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    He is so much of an outsider that I suspect that they will either try to assassinate him or crash the economy before he gets into the office or then they will blame him for the crashing economy. Of course he's no saint, but at least he's not a politician (even if he is a businessman) so that gives me a tiny bit of hope. If Shillary would have won as the cabal desired, then in that case I would have been quite concerned about the future of mankind.

    Now I am wondering what tricks the establishment will be preparing. It's definitely not over yet.
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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    I think people are accepting more love so he must be a little better, hes not a Ron Paul but at least it's going in the right direction.

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    They are all connected if not directly , indirectly and the more people
    that come into the cabinet and administration , the more connected
    and corrupt it gets in all political parties that gain power in a lobbyist
    system where the $/£ is King , and Trump can surely relate to that.

    We know Clinton would have been a continuation of neo -con/dem
    political coup of the early 1990's under Bush 1. We can only hope
    Trump does not get swallowed up in the Washington quagmire.

    There are many questions to what a Donald administration may mean
    to the alternate community , especially since he does know what is
    going on and has been on the likes of Alex Jones. But will that count
    for anything after he has had his 'JFK brief '......

    Related imo .....

    Will a Trump presidency allow 9/11 Truth lawsuits?

    Quote I doubt if much will come of this in the climate of transition/reconciliation
    and the spotlight now on how Donald is going to rebuild America etc.
    It depends who he brings into help govern , most I presume will be
    from the pro and reluctant republicans . Rudy Giulliana must know more
    than most in his camp and many have links to the Bush's and other
    corporate interests . So unless the wiki and other leaks sources can
    come up with something even the mainstream cannot spin/hide , I
    am not holding my breath, but you never know and I'll keep posting
    any articles I see on related subjects....
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Truth-lawsuits

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    Donald Trump Recruits Corporate Lobbyists to Select His Future Administration

    By David on 10 November 2016 GMT




    Donald Trump Recruits Corporate Lobbyists to Select His Future Administration

    Lee Fang
    November 8 2016, 8:19 a.m.

    As Donald Trump finishes his campaign with a promise to break the control of Washington
    by political insiders, his transition team is preparing to hand his administration over to a
    cozy clique of corporate lobbyists and Republican power brokers.


    https://theintercept.com/2016/11/08/...ion-lobbyists/
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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    It seems once Trump got the nomination he virtually stopped talking about "The Wall". He's got long list of promises, so let's see how many of them he honestly attempts: "The Wall", putting Hillary in jail, getting rid of Obamacare, knocking the "hell" out of ISIS, re-negotiating TPP and NAFTA, making friends with Russia, getting rid of the IRS, etc.

    I'm of the same opinion as Chris. If they haven't already, they'll be threatening his family to keep him in line, so if he buckles under we won't see any of these promises fulfilled. Or at least not in the way he said he would.

    I'm interested to see if he shares the threats he gets with the country.

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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    His friendship with Rupert Murdoch and what he said in the video is enough to convince me he's part of the establishment :




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    Default Re: What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

    Also the Mexican wall plan would be war with Mexico? :

    I said I was happy when he was chosen as President.....just because we can live to see tomorrow without WW3 with Russia, which we wouldnt with Killary, ~ what a choice!


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