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    Default At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    With obomber, when he picked "old guard" embedded career criminals to be his cabinet, I knew.

    trump is doing exactly the same thing, and is reportedly considering sara "drill baby drill" palin to be the Secretary of the Interior (responsible for privatization of public lands, mining, oil, pipelines, fracking, etc.) trump is also considering ben carson for some cabinet level position. If you paid any attention to this guy, besides his alarming desire to forcibly inject every US citizen with vaccines with no exemptions, he is demonstrably a liar and idiot. pence is the new dick cheney, and will double-down on totalitarianism. trump's "great again" catchphrase is Orwellian doublespeak for "unfettered capitalism" and complete deregulation of corporations regardless the environmental and human outcome. Once the military generals and admirals pull him into a room and "explain" how everyone on Earth is a violent jihadist that wants to destroy america, trump will do whatever they recommend - and they recommend eternal war (masked as phony "humanitarian intervention") and a police and security state. trump's nationalism over globalism will erode very quickly, as he is obviously a fear-based reactionary and thus easily manipulated, plus he is surrounding himself with old guard, nefarious, sociopathic cronies.

    Oh, by the way, had clinton won, this post would be about the nefarious clinton and HER embedded career criminal cabinet. My major point is that there will be no positive change in the USA, INC. with trump, just as there would have been nothing positive (for the US or for humanity) with a clinton win. (The problem is not half the duopoly; the problem is the duopoly.) It may seem like a big change occurred (because hillary fans are so pissed off), but soon you too will realize that almost nothing will change, and whatever does change will not be good for 99.999% of us.

    Anarcho-capitalists that already have large sums of money to use to make more money should be thrilled, and will be financially rewarded in the short term. The rest of us 7.5 billion humans and quadrillions of non-human life forms, not so much.

    What just happened was that most US citizens, whipped into an emotional frenzy with fear-based programming, american exceptionalism, and nearly DNA-etched partisan-worship, just took another sleeping pill to enjoy the "american dream" a little longer.

    If you disagree with my premise, "At what point did you realize that nothing will change?", that's fine and you're free to post your disagreement here. But do remember this thread, and when you realize that trump was not the shining white knight (extremely white, by the way), that you believed he was, please post that here too.


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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    I am only looking for a reduced war aggression schedule. Yes, the old guard that Trump is picking says it all. BTW Dennis, you might now call "obomber" "oldbommer".
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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    I realized the nothing will change when JFK was assassinated. I was just a kid at the time, but when LBJ took control, I knew that our political system was run by "bad guys". I could just "feel" it. As far as voting, ..... well, I found out that was a sham when I was in my middle to late twenties. I noticed that the politicians would speak to the common people about what they would do if elected. Then after they were elected you'd hear all kind of excuses as to why they couldn't get things done. Even then you could see the criminal element working behind the scenes.

    So I stopped voting a long time ago. In more recent years I came to realize that voting is just another way of giving up your power to somebody, or something (government) else.

    ------ I'm voting for you, and I give you the right to run my life. I give you the right to tax me for all your needs, whether those needs are legal or not. (war). I give you the right to throw my dumb-a** in jail if I don't agree and comply with the laws that you enact, whether those laws be legal or not. (forced vaccinations). -----

    So no, I don't vote. I do not agree to be ruled and governed by anybody. This is supposed to be the land of the free.
    I am enlightened, ............ Oh wait. That's just the police shining their spotlights on me.

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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    Great post, Dennis. Change won't come via politics, that's for sure.
    But hopefully it will come.

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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    Before Trump:

    Ongoing wars, fear porn, vaccinations, drones, black sites, Monstanto

    Zbigniew Brzezinski will come in and read him the riot act and if he doesn't comply he will go the way of JFK or "see this clone, we will replace you and we will still get what we want"

    After Trump

    Ongoing wars, fear porn, vaccinations, drones, blacks sites, Monstanto



    I could write this exact post if Killery won except I would include going to war with Russia.

    The only change we will see is if we look outside our window and clean up our own individual mess and disengage from the machine as much as possible.
    Get that organic garden going.
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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    People, in general, have short memories.



    Trump won.

    Tell them what they've won, Johnny!


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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    I knew there would not be a big change overnight after the election . The main
    objective was not to elect Hillary by many , for the 101 reasons on all the threads
    etc. Trump was not ideal but he was not Hillary .

    As a business man he is going to pick from the pool of people willing to work for
    him or serve their country and this is where his initial cabinet will be interesting and
    whether he can keep the neo -cons out. There will be offensive choices to some
    I suspect.

    He is a conciliator and from his exceptance speech to his firstmeeting with Obama
    he is showing respect and soaking in the atmosphere probably thinking ( How the
    F----' did this really happen ).Though he has belief in what he is trying to do imo

    From what I can tell he is as much of a democrat than republican so he should
    adapt to one nation policies after the initial attempt at his election promises , some
    of which were general and vague. Which is why all the scaremongering at the
    moment imo.He is already adapting as he is settling in , some may say 'flip flopping'
    others that he is being realistic when given the real facts ...

    Its far to early to access anything and need to be given a chance imo.

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    Some article I posted on turiyas thread yesterday , that illustrate my points ,theres
    two months before hes in the white house. If he is not JFD or some other scandal
    surfaces....

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1113024


    I thought this item amusing from CIA NN , the spooks reading and
    analysing first Trump - Obama meeting yesterday .......

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    The body language behind the Obama-Trump meeting



    Published on 11 Nov 2016

    President Obama and President-elect Donald Trump praised each other after their
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    Sen. Bernie Sanders told CNN's Wolf Blitzer he will work with President-elect
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    Rep. Chris Collins: Obamacare will remain for 2017



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    Rep. Chris Collins (R-New York) discusses President-elect Donald Trump's plan with
    Obamacare, stating that the Affordable Care Act will be around for the first year of
    Trump's presidency.
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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    Quote trump is doing exactly the same thing, and is reportedly considering sara "drill baby drill" palin to be the Secretary of the Interior
    Dear Dennis

    Roger Stone, after having a private meeting with Donald, has said:
    "Any of the names you see that have been floated out there for the various positions... whether its Chris Christie, Rudy Giuliani, or Jamie Dimon for Treasury, it not true... It is self-promotion in most cases. You should not read anything into that. No decisions are made, no lists are made... Its wildly premature.
    Don't believe whatever you hear from the MSM about who is going to be in the Trump administration... Trump will let everyone know when its time...

    What do you mean nothing has changed?

    There will be a heterosexual back in the White House as President. The First Lady will actually be a real woman - not a Transgender... His children are his children, not adopted... that's just the tip of the iceberg...

    I leave it to John B Wells to say it better than most everybody else that I've heard...
    "Look, when you change your transmission on your hot rod, you put in a little bit of the old trans fluid back in - cuz it helps the trans function better..."
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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    Yes, sadly I am beginning to think that you are right. I was hoping for the sake of hope that Trump would offer change. Listening to his speeches, I agreed with a lot of what he said, but there was always a thought that this is just talk. Just like Obummer. Time will tell, but with these appointments it looks like it is business as usual.

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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    I posted this on a couple threads yesterday...............If Trump can do as suggested
    in this article , he would be a better candidate for a noble peace prize than Obama.
    But can he get the military to go with him and defeat ISIS ? against decades of
    CIA and other agencies and countries mischief ?


    This is very promising if this interview is anything to go by.......( Infact it sounds
    to good to be true ) ...I suggest Listening to it twice he says a lot and lays it
    out including Clintons collusion with the global elites and much more.

    Trump has said he has been listening to advisors particularly military and geo
    political and if he can ignore the neo -con/dems and the global oligarchs.
    Maybe we can get rid of these war mongers and this 9/11 , war on terror false flag
    operations started after the neo -con coup backed by Bush 1 after the cold war.

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    putting a Republican back in the White House. The 2016 election campaign wasn’t
    pretty, but it was entertaining. But what's next?

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    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1113056

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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    I actually think I realised before he was elected Dennis, when the FBI lapdog confirmed there was nothing criminal in Hillary's e-mails.

    Worse perhaps was the realisation that nothing can change whilst there is a hidden hand, a puppet master - never has the illuminati pyramid seemed so relevant, (and the term illuminati is one I try to avoid as it triggers the accusation 'conspiracy nut' quicker than anything else).

    To add to my current sombre frame of mind I'm refreshing my knowledge of the secret societies by reading John Coleman's books again.
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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    Let's go back to when Obama was elected.

    The first black president!

    A constitutional lawyer!

    I even read threads even here that he was maybe the reincarnation of Abe Lincoln.!
    Our Man Abe....

    Idealism and naivete run amok


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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    Quote To add to my current sombre frame of mind I'm refreshing my knowledge
    of the secret societies by reading John Coleman's books again.
    Cheer UP Ewan ...Only a Scotsman can be so dour and correct at the same time...LOL




    By the way heavy geo - engineering down here Thurs & Friday....


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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    The worlds a stage and we are all merely players, Vatican is running *everything* :



    At 16.05 in the video DT is talking about NWO...then that we should stand up to anti-Catholic bias :

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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    I'm sure we'll see soon enough, now won't we?
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    It has been less than FOUR DAYS since we have had election results....isn't it a little soon to be making dire, concrete predictions? At least any based on facts, which we have precious little access to overall. Let's just take a breath. LOL

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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    Every four years we get our hopes up, don't we? Reminds me of the second coming ... always "just around the corner", just wait for it ...

    No, we have to change the world, by being what we want the world to be in every thought, every conversation, every action, every word spoken. We must change our views, before the view can change. We all want to believe the problem is "out there" to the point that we don't do anything to change, because we don't realize that the only thing we can really affect is to change ourselves. Once we learn to shake off the old coats of automated emotional response, and triggered judgements, we become individually more effective more "awake", more "enlightened"; with this increased effectivity, we will begin to change the "view" automatically, with the little things in our lives. From there this change will begin to quietly spread; love becomes our driver for choice, and fearful decisions that keep us chained to their wishes dissolves and others' control over us dissolves with that.

    The change we seek won't come from any politician, no single person can make this change, however, every single person can; and when politicians see that we have changed, their "styles" will also be forced to change.

    The reason why Trump won is because he was seen as "anti-establishment" - a perspective that those who have opened their eyes just a little , can relate to. This subtle change that is required is already occurring, it just needs to continue; Trump capitalized on that, but he won't be the change, he recognized that it is occurring in us and used that knowledge to win an election. The good news is that this all points to the fact that this subtle internal change that needs to occur in the masses before real change can actually occur, is happening.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    Well things have not changed much and history is always repeating itself.
    I was looking at some Robert Vaughn vids as he has just passed over and
    what is happening in Syria/Iraq now echoes Vietnam and Robert explains
    how the 1956 the South Vietnamese elections were manipulated....


    Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr. "Vietnam"



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    Taped on June 8, 1967
    Guest(s): Robert Vaughn


    Death threats....


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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    We could get drunk...and forget it for a bit ~

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    Default Re: At what point did you realize that nothing will change?

    I don't think I have ever had a point where I believe change will happen? If there was to be change would we still be in this incarnate?

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